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How do you deal with one of the greatest minds in physics of all time calling your ideas stupid and impossible? My guest Paul Steinhardt, who had the honor of being mentored by the one and only Richard Feynman, has experienced this not once but many times! In this video, he explains what it was like to be a pupil of the legendary physicist.
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Paul J. Steinhardt is the Albert Einstein Professor of Science at Princeton University. His pioneering work has significantly impacted our understanding of the universe’s early moments and its fundamental constituents. Throughout his career, Steinhardt made significant contributions to theoretical cosmology, condensed matter physics, and the study of quasicrystals. He is arguably best known for developing the inflationary model of the early expansion of the Universe, a groundbreaking theory that explains the uniformity of the Universe on large scales. He also challenged conventional cosmological paradigms with his work on the cyclic model of the Universe, proposing a cyclic theory of cosmic evolution in which universes are endlessly born, expand, contract, and rebound.
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so years later I'm giving this talk that
you're describing this lecture on one of
these early lectures on quas crystals
and F was in the audience and listening
very intently and I was expecting him to
interrupt but he didn't interrupt at any
time during the lecture itself he waited
till it was over and he came up and said
well this is impossible first of all he
is the person that really brought me
into physics when I when I went to
Caltech as an
undergraduate I didn't really know much
about phys physics at all for some
reason that was just a missing part of
my Science Education or weak part of my
Science
Education uh within a few weeks I I
encountered fan and fan lectures on
physics and I was converted uh I didn't
know exactly what I wanted to do in in
science or in physics I should say uh
but I tried to watch closely fan who was
my hero quickly became my hero to see
you know what what he what which way he
would Point uh appoint me um and one of
the things I did when I was a junior is
with my roommate we went to visit fing
we asked him if he'd be willing to uh
give a course that came to be du dubbed
physics X turns out he had done
something like this a number of years
ago uh slightly different format but
would he come and give this course uh
physics X in which he would come each
week it's an unofficial course um wasn't
on the registar you know list and you
get and he just come and talk about
whatever you wanted to talk about when
every physical phenomena you wanted to
talk about and so that's what happened
every week he would come and he he'd
come and ask him a question about
something it had to be something about
something you you observed in nature or
you you knew about existing in nature
and he would do his best to tackle it
and um what I learned from that was what
I expected to learn from that
interaction was um that uh he would be
pointing heavily to the work he himself
had done in elementary particle physics
but in fact we hardly discussed particle
physics at all the subjects roed all
over the map and every subject was
fascinating uh so what I learned from
that is that
physics um the opportunity for physics
discoveries can be found everywhere in
in everything and everything is
interesting everything was interesting
to Fan so everything was interesting to
us and he could just he could describe
everything in such a way that uh you
could tackle anything such a way that it
was fascinating
captivating um uh
and um that was an important influence
on me because in my own research you
know I kind of followed a path that
began with particle physics to begin
with but then it soon began wandering to
other areas such as the topic we're
talking about the topic of this book but
in another interaction with him I was
doing some research with him on various
topics and um and you know fan was known
for giving people a really hard time in
lectures and calling them foolish and
stupid and things like that and so you
know I had some of that i' come to his
office and present an idea and explain
to me an idea whether that it was
foolish or stupid but it you know to me
was always it was never insulting it was
done in a certain you know certain way
of enthusiasm and it was consistent but
what really convinced me that it was you
know I should take it in stride was
there was one time when you know he
accused me of something getting
something stupid and wrong uh and it
involved involved a Super Bowl and the
way you can super bow can spin in bounce
and fortunately I had a super ball with
me and I demonstrated to him um that in
fact uh wasn't sure how it was going to
work out but we tried the experiment
that he was proposing and sure enough it
turned out that what I had predicted in
my equations was correct and he turned
around and said uh Stupid referring to
himself and then I realized he would use
that term for anybody who got something
wrong to more to jol them into paying
attention something interesting was
going on here you ought to pay attention
and not simply Overlook it because there
something to be learned here so okay so
years later I'm giving um this talk that
you're describing this lecture on one of
these early lectures on quasa crystals
and um f was in the audience and
listening very intently and I was
expecting him to interrupt but he didn't
interrupt at any time during the lecture
itself he waited till it it was over
um and um he came up and
said um
uh well this is impossible you know uh
people were leaving the room but it
echoed throughout the room that you know
it was clear that you know F was
objecting to this idea that there could
be this new form of matter even though I
had done my best to present you know
lots of evidence of it including even in
demonstration of it uh but I could tell
from his smile that it was it was the
impossible like you know like he would
call me stupid or something impossible
in the past he was really challenging me
to to prove my point and and what he
then asked me to do was I had done a
demonstration in front of the uh lecture
to show what happens when you shine um
well it be like if you shown electrons
through the through such a hypothetical
material in this case I was using a
laser and a a slide which had the same
pattern as the arrangement of atoms
would have in the material uh and what I
had shown is it had produced a pattern
that was supposed to be impossible
according to all the standard textbooks
on solids and that was the point of the
lecture that there are these new
possibilities that were had been
considered impossible they were now
impossible so having declared the whole
idea impossible he then walked out to me
and said I want to see that
demonstration again so he turned off the
lights we turned back on the laser we
did the demonstration again he looked
back and forth between what was on the
wall and the laser he picked up the
slide he looked at the slide he put it
back in and yeah he said you just smile
give a huge smile what that really is
impossible and that was you know and
then you know slowly walked out of the
room with a big smile on his face and uh
so I felt there was my chance to sort of
return a favor that he had given me and
giving me so many Thrills in physics it
was my chance to return a thrill to him
and I think he appreciated the
presentence