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While most Americans have been focusing
on the rising inflation the war over in
Israel as well as all these lawsuits
that have been lobed against President
Trump well what seems to have flown
completely under the radar was the fact
that both China and Russia have been
stockpiling massive amounts of physical
gold furthermore it's not just Russia
and China looking across the entire
world it seems like the central banks of
most nations are increasing their
stockpiles of gold in fact quote
according to an October 31st update by
the world gold Council Global central
banks collectively bought an astonishing
800 tons of gold in the first three
quarters of 2023 this is a 14% increase
in gold buying compared with the same
period last year and just for your
reference the period last year was
already a record high and then in terms
of the country which is stockpiling the
most well it's America's greatest
geopolitical rival who also happens to
Mo own the most amount of US debt
communist China quote The People's Bank
of China regained the title of the
largest buyer globally increasing its
gold reserves by 78 tons during the
third quarter since the start of the
year The People's Bank of China has
increased its gold Holdings by 181 tons
to a total of
2,192 tons furthermore it's not just the
central banks of nation states that are
hoarding gold individual citizens here
in America are likewise buying up gold
at break neck speeds for instance Costco
recently began selling gold bars over on
their website and in the last quarter
this one retailer Costco they alone sold
over $100 million worth of gold with
these gold bars typically selling out
within hours of going online here's in
fact how Costco's Chief Financial
Officer described the situation in a
recent earnings call quote you've
probably read about the fact that we're
selling 1 ounce gold bars we sold over $
100 million doar worth of gold during
the quarter that ended on September the
30th when we load gold bars on the site
they're typically gone within a few
hours and indeed as Global volatility
has increased both economically as well
as militarily the price of gold gold
which is typically seen as a hedge
against both inflation as well as
uncertainty has gone up as well hitting
an all-time record high just earlier
this month and so in order to get an
idea of what's happening what this means
for the common investor as well as what
exactly these Central Bankers are seeing
in the future well I got a chance to
speak with Mr Max Baker who is the
president over at American hardford Gold
one of the largest gold bullion dealers
here in America also by the way just for
full disclosure they are my own personal
gold dealer and they're also a long-term
sponsor of this program however just in
my opinion that only gives them more you
can say credibility given the fact that
in the current media environment well
sponsoring a program like ours a program
like facts matter actually requires a
company to have a backbone which
American hardford Gold does anyway back
to the topic being the president of this
company Max has a good feeling for the
pulse of the gold market well and here's
what he told us all right Max thank you
so much for joining us uh to start with
you know right now we're filming this
interview at the beginning of December
and and the price of gold is near its
all-time high right now uh can you sort
of give us an idea of what it looks like
on the back end of the bully Market
how's the volume for buying and selling
right now it's uh certainly a lot of
buying right now and not a not a lot of
selling and um you know it's odd to see
the Dollar near all-time highs and see
the stock market near all-time highs and
see gold near the all-time highs all at
once and uh but certainly as the gold
market goes a lot of buying right now a
lot of preparing for
24 So you you're seeing a lot of buying
not a lot of selling is that creating a
squeeze on the supply side yeah it
definitely uh you're seeing weight times
from the mints uh for getting some of
this physical product uh it's becoming
tougher and tougher to source and and
the weit time for getting it shipped out
is is getting longer and
longer what what do you think owes to
the uh the spike in price right now
because I I assumed when the war in the
Middle East kicked off you'd see a COR
lar Spike but you you didn't quite see
that there was a lag of about like two
three maybe even four weeks uh what do
you owe right now to the uh to the near
all-time high well right now uh you know
people are are betting that interest
rates are are done rising and that
they're going to start softening going
into next year and um with that you're
going to start to see the dollar pull
back and as you see the dollar pull back
gold prices are going to rise and uh
that's kind of been the story this year
um Gold's been remarkably resilient the
gold price has been resilient all year
long um with the dollar being so high
and now that you're seeing the the
dollar pull back because of War you know
War fears recession
fears um as that dollar pulls back
you're going to see gold rise what
effect are you seeing from the um from
well or rather are you seeing any effect
from the Argentinian election I mean now
after mle came into office he's you know
very famously uh going to be taking an
ax to the Central Bank of Argentina and
that has kind of brought the um the
conversation of what does a central bank
do you know how does money come into
existence it's brought that to the four
do you find that that has any impact on
the gold price or is that just more like
psychological and it's just in my own
head you know it's it's it's a little
psychological but there's something to
be said there for you know the great
unknown uh of what lies ahead in
election year for our country in 2024
you know your guess is as good as mine
as to what's going to happen next year
and we look at what happened in
Argentina we may have you know some
major changes across the globe uh next
year and anytime you have those unknowns
people are looking to to buy an
insurance policy and that's exactly what
gold
offers you know I was reading um I I
usually keep keep a breast of the
quarterly reports from the central banks
uh across the world in terms of their
gold buying so gold buying is again uh
it either reached an all-time high or or
or it's near the all-time high for for
the last quarter reported and what was
interesting is that you had a statement
from the Dutch uh Central Bank where in
they um the commissioner there alluded
to them wanting to uh create sort of a
internal parity between their their
assets and the amount of gold they have
on the books uh just in case there's
some sort of a reversion to the gold
standard uh do you have any any comment
on that any any sort of um you know
since you're in the market and I'm sure
you have your P your pulse on it did you
hear any Rumblings of that uh coming to
fruition you know the big Rumblings I'm
hearing or what you mentioned at the
beginning central banks are buying gold
uh you know hand over fist right now I
believe it's at a 55y year high with the
amount that they're buying and um you
know you got to do what the central
banks are doing they're uh they're
preparing for something and they realize
that there's an awful lot of debt out
there a lot of paper debt created uh
over the past uh you know three or four
years and uh they're moving as much
money as they can into something
tangible in case there is you know kind
of that big recession uh that big Market
meltdown and um you know quietly behind
the scenes they've been buying like
crazy over the past couple years and
it's it's really helped keep the gold
price uh very very buoyant and near the
all-time high well rather I should say
that this is fake money being printed
into Oblivion by those Geniuses over in
Washington DC and so before they
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now let's head on back to the studio
yeah and there's one thing i' I've been
thinking about recently which is that it
it seems like you know we're sort of at
the tail I mean this is just my my
assessment of it but we're sort of at
the tail of this like kenian economic
experiment that we've been going through
since the 1970s and with the recent
increase in rates we we actually on The
Epic Times website just published this
really good analysis detailing how the
cost just to service our the interest on
our debt here in America is now over a
trillion dollars per year so it's like
it just seems like we're in unless
there's a drastic shift which I couldn't
imagine because it would it would create
such short-term pain that no politician
in their right mind would would actually
run on that sort of a platform or enact
that sort of a platform it seems like
we're sort of in this End Cycle where
you know everything seems fine but then
like you know overnight suddenly the
payment on the interest will be five
trillion a year if there's continue it's
like all of a sudden it's going that
direction and and in in a certain sense
I would imagine that a reversion to the
gold standard would be the natural sort
of course of events right because that's
what we had before the 1970s but then I
believe maybe in like 2017 18 and going
into 2020 there was a bit of a hiccup at
least in my calculation along that line
with the uh a mass adoption of um
cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin ethereum
things like that did you find that once
those um those cryptocurrencies began to
gain a lot of social traction some of
the money and and attention that would
have funneled into gold funneled instead
into the cryptocurrency space that's
that's a good question and um you know
the the answer to that question has
changed a lot over the past couple years
you know when when Bitcoin was near the
all time high there uh a couple years
back all the headlines were it's it's
digital gold it's the new gold and uh
everyone was kind of
pioneering uh that narrative and as
we've seen over the past couple years
it's been extremely volatile and you've
seen you know FTX and binance and you
know all all these things happen in that
crypto world that have really brought
the spotlight into the fact that it is
not digital gold and you know people
have started to pay attention to what
gold really is and what that means as
far as not having any counterparty risk
whatsoever you know physical gold is the
only thing on Earth that doesn't have
counterparty risk and you know if I'm
holding a cryptocurrency and a crypto
wallet you know on some kind of platform
I still have some counterparty risk
associated with that and um I think if
anything it's brought the spotlight
maybe to the younger generation to
realize that you know what gold really
means and and when you say that it's a
digital gold what does it actually mean
and um so yeah a couple years ago you
were seeing those headlines Non-Stop and
you're not seeing those headlines quite
so much anymore right yeah and that's
sort of what what I was wondering about
because I can imagine that as this
kenian experiment you know kind of
reaches its final stage you you get a
reversion to something I I would have
imagined before that it would have been
a reversion to Gold but now I'm
wondering whether it would be the
adoption of something like either a
cryptocurrency or and or like a a
central bank crypto cryptocurrency any
comment on that yeah I mean uh
look here in the very near future we are
going to see a digital dollar of some
kind and that'll be very bullish for for
physical goal just because of the
Privacy associated with it um anytime
someone can hold wealth at that time
let's say we have a digital dollar and
it's linked and the only way we can
spend is if the government knows what
we're spending our money on and and
tracking what we're spending our money
on and keeping an eye on everything if
you're then able to hold hold just a
portion of your wealth in something
private uh you can imagine that you're
GNA have households All Over America
buying as much gold as they can in terms
of exposure to gold on in in the global
sphere what I'm really surprised to read
about every every few months that I I
come across this stat is how few wealth
managers uh hold gold in in in terms of
their portfolios the last I read is that
71% of advisers have either little or no
exposure to gold and so let me ask you
right now gold is obviously reaching new
highs um very likely given some of the
you know Global instability I would
imagine I mean I'm of course not a
forecaster but I would imagine that
it'll break through that 2060 ceiling
and perhaps hit 2100 uh 2150 maybe I
mean whatever I'm I'm not prog
prognosticating but uh you know a guy
can hope uh let me ask you this if 71%
of advisers have little to no Expos
exposure and gold what would it mean if
if you if they see they look at the
market they see gold reaching new highs
and they begin shifting at least a small
portion of their portfolios you know in
a global level to the precious metal
what can you sort of describe what that
scenario would look like yeah I mean
look I I understand to an extent why
there's not all that exposure gold is
relatively boring you know and and by
Design gold is an insurance policy and
it's very very boring and until it's not
and these wealth advisors are just
looking for yield as much yield as they
can get uh try to make as much money as
they can and then when things you know
the tide starts to turn in terms of a
recession a financial crisis you know
geopolitics um some major event a bank
crisis um whenever whenever those come
into play they start to shift the
portfolio towards gold and you will
start to see that in the coming year as
gold continues to rise as the dollar
pulls back as we head into some kind of
recession as you know politics State
side with you know election year come
into play you're going to start to see
those portfolios gain more and more
exposure and you're going to start to
see gold snowball and value uh similarly
similar to what we saw from 2008 to 2011
you're going to see a major
move uh you know I would think by the
end of 2024 about a 25% move uh towards
2500 so so your your suggest that's sort
of like the analogy to the national debt
where it kind of grows slowly and then
it grows suddenly right yeah it would be
it would be something similar where the
price of gold increases and then because
of that increase you have this giant
portion of wealth managers 71% of whom
don't have any gold if they move even
let's say five 10% of their portfolio
into gold it'll just create that upward
pressure yeah I mean is that accurate
that that's 100% look uh 2008 to 2011 we
saw the dollar fall from 90 basis points
down to 70 um and in that time gold went
from 700 an ounce to 1,900 an ounce so
you know about a three 3x move about you
know what 250 280% move up um I could
see something very similar over the next
couple years yeah and what's funny is
that a lot of people um like you
mentioned you know it's it's kind of
boring until it's not I remember when
the Ukraine Russia war first kicked off
I was sitting at my desk here at the
office and a lady walked by and she you
know she knows I'm I buy gold you know I
mentioned on the progam
and she comes up to me she's like hey
you know my husband and I are thinking
about buying some gold and it was funny
because at that time the Russia Ukraine
war kicked off and the price of gold had
skyrocketed and I'm thinking to myself
you know I'm like at that time I'm like
um maybe I should wait until you know
should I wait to buy gold or you know
I'm kind of feeling it out but it's
funny how like it's true when things are
kind of quiet it's a great opportunity
to buy gold and then when everyone's
rushing into it it's like well maybe
it's you know indeed like Skyrocket up
to 2500 and you miss that great buying
opportunity to capture that spread yeah
um so let me ask you a couple of
questions that I got from uh viewers of
the show who are looking to to invest
themselves but they have some specific
questions on on the buying front this
isn't like a macro question it's more
like kind of more specific questions so
one is can you elaborate on the concept
of paper gold and and how it differs
from physical gold yeah look uh do you
want you know if you're going to protect
your house do you want to buy stock and
Smith and Wesson or do you want to buy
the actual gun you know uh paper gold is
for taking advantage of the price swings
in gold and silver uh the actual
physical goal is for for protection you
know again we talk about no counterparty
risk and some kind of uh financial
crisis you know 2008 uh you had fed
presidents talking about we are hours
away from the ATMs not working um it's
for that kind of scenario um to actually
have the the physical protection and in
your hand no counterparty risk in your
gun safe there at home um and you know
paper gold does have a a huge role in
the international and you know our stock
market as well I believe the market cap
somewhere around $13 trillion do for
gold uh the overall stock market uh
value or market caps closer to 45
trillion so you can see the gold market
is very very substantial and uh like
Gold's the only real money out there
everything else is just credit and um
there will continue be a huge market for
it particularly as we continue to create
all this debt that we've created over
the past couple years um so it does have
its place in the market it is
substantial um and again if you're
looking to take advantage of of price
swings get yourself you know some gold
ETFs or Mining stock if you want an
actual insurance policy to protect your
wealth um against any kind of Black Swan
event you're going to want something
tangible so so just so I understand
correctly if you get a gold ETF you're
interested in kind of like you have uh
this hypothesis that the price of gold
is going to swing up whether it's like
intra day or intra week and you want to
kind of trade on that so you you buy
into the ETF you sell the ETF Etc or you
hold it for a long period of time to you
know to capture that spread and then
technically it's easier to sell because
you don't have to go find a gold dealer
or something like that yeah but then
let's say you know it it really either
skyrockets or or there's a like a
turbulence in the market can when you
hold a piece of gold like you know it's
in your house whatever you know nobody
can come to get it but if you have the
ETF is it ever convertible into gold or
it's just a piece of paper that's tied
to the price of gold and and that's it
like it's backed by nothing like just a
piece of paper that that's tied to the
price of gold that's it you're never
gonna get physical delivery of that
asset I see so so it's very much like a
just this like a a stock in a company
basically absolutely just a stock and
and and gold yeah and you're betting
that's going going up or down okay
another question that has come up uh
pretty frequently why are premiums
different on bullion bars and bullion
rounds versus state issued coins usually
on state issued coins the premium is
significantly higher it just all comes
down to demand you know uh the market
wants government-backed assets or
government minted assets those carry a
significant premium because there's more
demand for them they also buy back for
substantially more uh than maybe a
private mint bar or private mint round
oh interesting and in terms of buy
buying it back how easy is it to sell to
sell gold this is another question that
often comes in if you know if stuff
really hits the fan how easy is it to
convert your gold into cash or you know
some some cash equivalent uh extremely
easy I mean depending on you know your
the city you live in the town you live
in chances are you have a gold buyer or
seller there locally uh where you can
take a couple silver eagles down and
liquidate pretty easily um and then
obviously you can jump online and and
find a number of reput reputable dealers
that you know will will buy that in a
heartbeat and we offer a two-way
Marketplace here at American Heart for
gold with all of our clients we have a
buyback commitment to all of them and
you know that 2A Marketplace gold is
always in demand and we always want your
gold so for instance with you because
you you don't have a physical location
let's say in New York City if I were to
to sell you my precious metal through
that buyback program would we would just
agree on a price and would package it up
and send it off to to an address that's
right uh you know if you're a client of
ours or a client of another company
You're simply going to call American
Harford gold or another company and say
hey what's the gold price today I've got
x amount uh of this coin or this bar um
what's the price we agree on the price
what the Market's you know trading at
that day um and then we send you all the
uh shipping uh uh boxes all that good
stuff the label um that's fully insured
that'll get you the next day within 48
hours we'll have the metal in our hand
and we'll issue a check or a
wire and then another question that
people often ask is how can people be
sure that the gold and silver is the
real deal so you know let's say they
they buy from you or some other gold
dealer and they get a ship to their
house how do they know that uh you know
it's not some fake Chinese gold for
instance great question and that's why
you want to only deal with reputable
dealers uh always do your research on
who you're dealing with who you're
sending money to uh you want to deal
with companies that have been in
business for years and years companies
that have you know A+ reputations with
the BBB thousands of client
reviews uh you need to do your research
on who you buy from and then obviously
you know what kind of assets are they
selling you are they s selling you
government-backed assets are they
selling you assets that you've never
heard of from some private mint so it
all comes down to who you're doing
business with and um certainly as a
consumer research is very important
so so that's on the front end on the
consumer end on the back end do you guys
test all the bars and uh and coins that
come in absolutely you can do assay
tests uh we have uh uh lasers that can
tell you if it's real or not we can
drill into bars there's uh three or four
different methods we use to to verify
all the metal that comes in and out of
our vault it's all done uh with a series
of checks and balances uh all of the
metals come into our vault via camera
and they're all checked in Via camera
camera and it's all filed away and uh
it's a pretty interesting process and
that's why you know Metals move a little
slow because every time we take Metals
in or they leave the Vault it's a whole
process of people under camera that's
signed off on it's got to go through
several uh hurdles before it makes it to
your front
door and then last question that has
come up quite often is um kind kind of a
simple one on the on the website
typically when you're buying gold it's
listed in troy ounces rather than
regular ounces what's the difference
there a troy ounce is about 10% heavier
uh than a than a basic ounce and I
actually had to look this up because I
didn't have my my facts right I learned
it a long time ago uh it's actually 480
grains of
barley and that was arrived at in a
French town called Troy long ago so 480
grains of barley was a troy ounce it's
about 10% heavier than than your just
basic ounce oh okay because when I first
started buying I thought it was you know
I thought it was like a trick that it's
actually less than an ounce it's like oh
a troy ounce what does that mean but but
it's actually more yeah yeah all right
Max thank you so much uh for for the um
the macro picture and and also the micro
and yeah I mean listen I personally hope
you're right that by the end of 2024
we'll have a 25% swing in the price
that's that's definitely what I'm hoping
for you know I it's it's um it's tough
obviously I'm in the gold business I see
things unfolding to where gold could be
2500 but it is a little uh sobering when
you realize if Gold's at 2500 Gold's at
3,000 an ounce what does everything else
look like what do we look like you know
geopolitically what does the dollar look
like what does the stock market look
like if gold is crushing all-time highs
like it did you know from 08 to 11 what
does the rest of the world look like so
that's a bit concerning but yeah you
know the writing's on the wall uh things
are are lining up for a perfect storm
for gold in
2024 now if you'd like to learn more
about either these Central Bankers
buying up gold bullion about Costco
selling out gold bullion or if you'd
like to learn more about American
hardford Gold I'll throw all those links
down into the description box below this
video for you to peruse at your own
Leisure and then until next time I'm
your host Roman from The Epic Times stay
informed most importantly Stay
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