Why Has a Federal Prosecutor Been Given Power of Life and Death Over Jan. 6 Defendants?

Good morning and welcome to over the target live today. We're going to be speaking with a very special guest, Julie Kelly, the indispensable reporter. Who's, uh, without whose work, without his reporting, we wouldn't know anything about January 6th. Julie has written a brilliant book as well. I'm going to bring on Julie in just one second today. We're going to have a very special report and very special conversation about the federal prosecutor who is behind the attacks on January 6th defendants stripping them of their constitutional rights. First, I just want to say though, remember if you're watching on YouTube or Facebook at 20 minutes, we're going to cut away and go to Epoch, uh, Epoch TV exclusively. I'll give you a little bit of a heads up. We'll have a little bit of a countdown and then we're going to jump to Epoch TV exclusively at the 20 minute mark. And you're not going to want to miss the full show. We're going for an hour this morning with Julie Kelly. Stay with us the whole time. And, um, now I want to introduce Julie. Julie, thanks so much for coming on this morning. Really appreciate it. Um, we need you to explain to us exactly what's going on here. Not just what's going on with the January 6th defendants. What, um, where are we in these different cases, but who is the person who's responsible for, uh, the, the unconstitutional, the outrageous and unlawful prosecution of January 6th defendants. Thanks for being here. Well, Lee, thank you so much for having me on. You're such a good friend. And you've really helped me bring my work and really this tragic story that's happening to hundreds of Americans related to the January 6th prosecution. So Lee, right now, just in terms of numbers, we have about 850 Americans who have been charged related to their involvement. The January 6th protests, uh, DOJ. Amazingly this FBI is arresting new defendants every single week here. We are 18 months later. The overwhelming, um, number of charges relate to misdemeanors, including the petty offense of creating in the Capitol. Um, there are felony charges as well. But to your point, the man who is really responsible for this abuse of vengeful prosecution is Matthew Graves, who is the DC U S attorney. And I know we'll talk a little bit more about him, but this is not Merrick Garland running the show. This is Matthew Graves and Lisa Monaco, the deputy attorney general. Do we have a picture of them? I just want to make sure that's Lisa Monaco. That's the deputy attorney general. And Matthew Graves is the, uh, is the U S attorney for the district of Columbia. I just want to see if we have a picture because I want audiences to know that there are names behind these prosecutions behind these unconstitutional attacks on American citizens, right? It's not just the DOJ generally. It's not just the Biden administration. It's not happening to Americans. Someone is actually doing this to American citizens. So if we can get a picture of Matthew Graves, we can find it, please. Let's put it up so that people know the faces, Lisa Monaco, Matthew Graves. That's exactly right. That's Lisa Monaco. And Lee, you know this better than anyone. She was a Russian collusion architect. She was a top Obama confidant and loyalist. Um, she then spent the interim time between Trump's presidency during Trump's presidency as a CNN commentator. She actually floated the idea of Michael Flynn violating the Logan act. Um, and here she is now running the DOJ and trying to finish really what she started in 2016 in the Obama white house. What was that when you said trying to finish what she started? What do you mean? She's just, I mean, it started with, with Trump and Trump aides. So where are we, where are we right now? How is she trying to finish what she started? Is it going the other way? Now she's going for Trump supporters and between her and the January 6th committee, uh, on Capitol Hill, they're trying to go after the president himself. That's exactly right. So this is what, this is all leading up to the January 6th committee. I think it's trying to justify what DOJ under Lisa Monaco and Matthew Graves will eventually do. And that is what I believe indict Donald Trump probably before the November election on either conspiracy charges, obstruction of an official proceeding, which is the most prevalent felony charged against January 6th defendants. It's never been used in this way, by the way, or both of those charges. So I believe that in terms of Lisa Monaco and her allies, Clinton cronies, the Obama people finally getting Donald Trump in handcuffs. Now, you know, six years later after their first attempt under press fire hurricane, I think that that's where this is headed. Right. I remember you saying before, uh, I think we were speaking before and you said, look, this is what, um, when we remember what the Mueller report is about the first, uh, volume, first part, however, they describe that, uh, active piece of garbage, um, was about Russian interference. And the second volume is about obstruction. I think you said that this is, you know, that the, uh, democratic party activists, national security state, uh, activists that they are keen to stick this same obstruction charge on Donald Trump. Exactly. Right. This is the obstruction statute. It's an Andrew Weissman favorite, and this is at this 1512 C2. Let's just remind people quickly who let's just remind people quickly who Andrew Weissman is. And this is one of the, uh, one of the Mueller lawyers. You have more background on him though, Julie, if you just want to remind people who Weissman is and how his, his long hand is still active. So Andrew Weissman, uh, is basically the Lisa Monaco was the Lisa Monaco of the Mueller probe. He really ran the show. Um, Mueller was a figurehead just like Merrick Garland is a figurehead at DOJ, but he really was running that entire prosecution. So to your point, the volume two of the Mueller report dealt with whether Trump, uh, committed or violated an obstruct this obstruction of an official proceeding, trying to interfere in the Mueller probe itself and using tweets and other, uh, other things that, uh, as evidence, of course he was never charged, but this would be their grand finale. Lee, you know, this book, and look, this is what the base wants. The base for six years had wanted Donald Trump first dragged out of the white house and cops. Now they want him dragged out of Mar-a-Lago. There is a bloodlust on the left, but to your point, Lee, it's not just Trump. It's not his family, his administration anymore. It's us, right? Yeah. Which is what Donald Trump has said all along. And now they are rounding up hundreds of Americans raiding their homes, throwing them in jail, denied bail, uh, as they delay trials. It's really something unprecedented that's happening right now in America. Julie, in one of your recent articles, you explain how they're, they're, they're, they're threatening January 6th defendants with, with life sentences for under what charges and under what precedents. So that really relates to the prosecution of the proud boys and the oath keepers. And those men, um, none of them are charged with a violent crime. In fact, the oath keepers left whatever weapons they drove to the DC area with in their hotels in Virginia. So they didn't violate any of DC's, uh, weapon laws. But nonetheless, many of those men have been held in pretrial detention, solitary confinement, like conditions now for 17, 16, 17 months as DOJ delays their trial. But men in both of those cases have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Matthew graves bringing this extremely rare charge against members of the proud boys and the oath keepers. Um, but look, Lee, the government does not want to take these cases to trial because they will have to expose how many federal assets were run into both of those groups months before. So this is why they brought the seditious conspiracy charge. Now, Matthew graves, his office went to the oath keepers and said, basically sign these plea agreements that we're offering you. You don't, you go to trial in Washington, DC. Can't get a fair trial. You're convicted. We will seek life sentences for a seditious conspiracy conviction, comparing it to treason. And that is what they are threatening these people with because they don't want that. They don't want these cases to go to trial even in DC. Do you, well, why not in DC? I mean, I guess after the Michael Sussman trial, but again, that was for, uh, simply lying to the FBI. But do you think that DC juries would let off Trump supporters? They absolutely won't. And we've already had six jury trials in Washington, DC. The DOJ has a 100% record conviction record. DC juries have returned all guilty verdicts on every single count in record time against these, including on the obstruction of an official proceeding charge, something that's never been used this way. So, um, and you know what, leave the January 6th committee hearings are further poisoning and already highly tainted biased, um, jury pool. So these people can't get a fair trial at all. And so this, and this is why a lot of defendants are pleading guilty. Their lawyers are saying, plead guilty to parading, parading, plead guilty to an official, uh, obstruction of an official proceeding. DOJ will go lighter on you. We take this to trial. You're going to be convicted in Washington, DC and their DOJ will, and these judges will throw the book at you. They are, they are trapped in a circle of hell in this DC. So look, I remember at the beginning, you, you know, when, when, when these things first started happening, when they first started locking up these, um, when they first started locking up January 6th protesters, um, some of them were represented by, um, you know, by public, by a federal public defendants. And I remember you saying that, you know, some of these people despise their clients. They despise these Trump supporters. Do, do any of them have better legal representation now? And, and, and I guess, does that matter in front of a DC jury? Some of them do. And Lee, this was really such a vacuum on the right, the conservative movement really know there was no legal fund, uh, and an army of lawyers stepping up to help these people. Lawyers refuse to do it. Um, and so these people, a lot of them had never been in trouble with the criminal justice system ever before. They had no idea what was coming out of this DOJ and this DC us attorney's office. They can't afford a hundred, $150,000 retainer for a DC criminal attorney. So they relied on public defenders still naively thinking that this would be a fair system, right? But some of these attorneys, Heather Shaner is one of them. I write about in my book and articles, she has forced her clients, Trump supporters into sort of this reeducation camp asking them to read books and watch movies that expose America as systemically racist and antisemitic. Um, and she's also urged them to write these defendants to write letters to the court, apologizing for their white privilege, apologizing for not believing that Joe Biden was legitimately elected. I mean, you know, you sort of have to laugh, except I know these people are, have been completely destroyed and shame on these judges. This is a whole other layer. We've talked about another time. These judges on the DC district court were allowing DOJ and these public defenders to get away with this. Right? No, I mean, look, well, let's talk about the judges. We'll talk, and we'll get that, get to that in a little bit. But look, I mean, there's gotta be people who are hearing this many for the first time and it must just be jaw dropping. How is this possible? I mean, if we're talking about, look, and these are even people who watched what happened with general Flynn with a, with Emmett Sullivan and have the justice system was perverted to go after general Flynn. But hearing this, it's like, well, you're, you're telling me that they're, they're, they're making them denounce their political beliefs. They're detaining them, denying them the right to a speedy trial there. I mean, this seems absolutely nuts. How is this happening in the United States? Even granted, it's a very small part of the United States, which have, which happens to be our, our national capital. Well, look, you have our national capital, which is very alarming. It has its own prosecutor, which is basically the DC us attorney's office. It has its own court, which is the DC district court. Um, oddly, not oddly, but let's say many of the Trump appointed judges on the DC district court came from the DC us attorney's office. So they are overviewing handling cases from prosecutors who were their colleagues, or at least in the same office. When Donald Trump called DC the swamp, it actually was too kind. It is a sewer. It is a sewer populated by people who have nothing but contempt, not just for Donald Trump, but half the country. They are gratified by punishing these people. And this is not just Obama judges like Amit Mehta. This is Trump judges like judge Tim Kelly. If I could talk about him very briefly, appointed by Donald Trump, former prosecutor in the DC us attorney's office. He has held five now six members of the proud boys. Again, not charged with any violence, didn't assault any police officer, no vandalism. They're charged with conspiracy. He has kept these men behind bars since last spring, February, March, April of 2021. These men have been detained mostly in solitary confinement. Here's DOJ's trick. They add defendants and they add new charges forcing a delay in the trial. Judge Tim Kelly just moved the proud boys trial from August of this year. He had already moved it from April to August. Now he moved it to December, which and refuses still to release these men awaiting trial. They could be in jail. Some of them like another six months. This is outrageous. Almost two years before they go to trial. If there's no further delays, which there possibly will be because again, we know FBI informants were run into the proud boys. DOJ does not want to take this to trial and have to disclose this in discovery. Certainly in a public trial, their torment continues. And judge Tim Kelly, the DC district court judge appointed by Donald Trump is one of the top captors of political prisoners in the United States. Okay. So if he worked in the U S attorney's office in DC as well, do he and graves know each other? I don't know. Uh, no, because Matthew graves was not at that office. I believe when Tim Kelly was, um, Matthew graves was a Biden campaign advisor. I know we'll talk about him and his wife was a radical activist in DC as well. Right. But Lee really quick, Lisa Monaco confirmed by 48 Republican senators. Uh, Matthew grades unanimously on a voice vote vote, um, confirmed is DC U S attorney. There's been no pushback in the Senate on these appointments. They have gone along happily, eagerly put DOJ, uh, in the hands of these two people. Who are the two senators who did not vote to confirm Lisa Monaco, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. God bless them. Thank you. Thanks to them. Right. Um, well, I mean, I think this gets to the point, like why no one is making a lot of no one on the Republican side is making a lot of noise about what's happening to January six defendants. But again, this is shocking. Are there well-intentioned people there who are just scared of the FBI and the DOJ and the Biden administration, or is there something else going on? I think fear plays a big part of it. Um, you know, let's say leave that Republicans take the house and they uncover exactly January, what January six was, which was another inside job orchestrated by the same interest that brought us Russia gate and the Whitmer FBI kidnapping hoax. Let's say the house Republicans really exposed what happened. What do they do with it? Do you think they really have the courage? Do you say defund the D D C U S attorney's office, which they should to impeach some of these judges to cut off funding to the FBI, actually dismantle the FBI? Will they be able to do that? They should have dismantled the FBI after they found out what happened in the Whitmer case. But, uh, you know, we heard a few rumbles early on after I, you know, it was reported that in that case, the two men were acquitted hung jury on the other two amid defense of FBI entrapment. You see nothing about that. That's even a more stunning case in some ways than January six, but it's all tied together. It's the same agency. Yeah. Do you want to talk a little bit about this? Cause there's going to be some viewers who aren't that familiar with, with the, with this, uh, Whitmer kidnapping case in Michigan. I think the kidnapping hoax is illustrative because it does echo so many things related to January six, number one. So this was an FBI concocted operation to entrap men, uh, and then arrest them as people were voting for president in October of 2020, accused them of being white militia, men supportive of Donald Trump. None of them were by the way, which is funny to make this announcement, but there were at least a dozen FBI undercover agents and informants who stitched this group together. They were handled by not just the FBI office in Detroit, but field offices across the Eastern part of the United States. I didn't know that. I thought it was just run out of Detroit, but they had a whole bunch of other field offices involved. Yes, they did. Okay. They had informants from these other field offices. They had agents out of these field offices who are handling the informants. Uh, one FBI agent testified. This went to trial just last March. One FBI test agent testified. This required approval at the highest level of the FBI, which means Christopher Ray. It also required approval at main justice, which would have meant attorney general William Barr. Um, they used drones, they used airplanes, they used pull cameras. This was an extensive, expensive. Julie, just one second. We have to cut away. As I said, if you're watching on Facebook or YouTube, please make the jump with us to Epoch TV, where we're going to continue this really important, vital conversation. So hold on and make the jump and we'll see you in less than a minute. Thanks a lot. Julie, we'll be back in less than a minute. There was no talk of booster shots at the beginning, right? You had everyone from Anthony Fauci to Joe Biden to Deborah Burke saying the shot.