The world has been lied to about the history of black America, including through false narratives on the “burning of black wall street” and on the civil rights movement, according to filmmakers Justin Malone and Chad Jackson, who present a different narrative of history in their new film, “Uncle Tom II.”
With historical footage that had previously been lost, and with interviews that show a new view on history, they expose how a communist agenda used and harmed black Americans under the banner of “civil rights.”
We speak with Justin Malone and Chad Jackson about their findings and their new film.
The world has been lied to about the history of Black America,
including in false narratives on the burning of Black Wall Street and on the Civil Rights
Movement. This is according to filmmakers Justin Malone and Chad Jackson, who present
a different narrative on history in the new film Uncle Tom 2. With historical footage
that had previously been lost, and with interviews that show a new view of history,
they expose how a communist agenda used and harmed Black Americans under the banner of
civil rights. We speak with Justin Malone and Chad Jackson about their findings and their new film.
Chad O. Jackson, Justin Malone, thanks for being on Crossroads.
Thank you for having us.
Hey, you guys did now, of course, Uncle Tom, I mean, huge hit. Now you're doing Uncle Tom 2.
What is the new element you're really trying to bring out with this,
going from the first one to this new one?
Well, I think when we finished Uncle Tom, there was so much material that we had unearthed that
had to hit the floor. And so when the film came out and there was a response to it, and
there was a fan base that formed and the film had some success, there was a lot of people that
wanted more to the story. And so that was kind of letting us know that there is more work to be
done. And Chad and I had formed a friendship because we both live in Dallas, Texas. And he,
of course, was the one of the main subjects of part one. And we were just talking on the phone
a lot. We were kind of riding that wave together. That was the first success that both of us had
in that realm. And so we were just talking and it just naturally, the conversations were,
this needs to go deeper. Looking at more of the root causes is what we were wanting to do.
We feel that the original Uncle Tom was kind of just like showing that the conservative black
exists, right? And a lot of people don't even know that. So it was really just creating that
universe and showing that there is black people who do think conservatively, who do have those
values. And once we establish that, we want to go deeper and find out why it is that people
don't know that that exists. And how did we end up with this racial hostility in our country?
So we wanted to go and look more at the root causes of the racial tension in America.
I can say, as someone who's done a lot of research on the history of communism,
you guys present a lot of evidence in this, a lot of information that I have not personally seen.
I mean, really, I think you've done something really significant with this documentary.
And Chad, on that, you really make some great, great analysis, great statements in this
documentary. And you really dig into actually the civil rights movement. And you compare it a lot
to what's happening right now with Black Lives Matter and these other narratives.
A lot of people would have trouble with that. Can you explain this to us a bit?
Yeah. So what we found is that the strategy that communists had, particularly as it relates to
America, dates as far back as 1928. From Moscow, they had an elaborate plan on how to penetrate
America and how to use racial tension in order to do so. So that's well documented. I think that
the trouble that we have here in this country is that we look at the civil rights movement as a
high point in America. We look at it as though it's this great victory. And because of that,
nobody wants to touch it. Scholars don't want to touch it.
Lay people don't want to touch it because it's codified that it just is what it is. And so
the civil rights movement and all of its heroes are just completely untouchable.
And so every time there's yet another racial crisis in America, we tend to go back to the
civil rights movement. We tend to go back to folks like Martin Luther King as this arbitration or
this arbiter, if you will, on how we can best navigate whatever racial issue that is in front
of us in a given time. The issue with that is what we got out of the civil rights movement,
both as it relates to policy, as well as how it relates to, I guess, Black culture,
are both negative. Because what the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did was it expanded the
role of government, particularly as it relates to private-owned companies.
And on the other hand, what it did to Black culture is it moved Black people from a trying
race to a crying race, where we learned to be victims. We learned to be individuals who are
now dependent on the state and the government and whatever policy can do for us, as opposed to
how it was before the civil rights movement, where we depended on our men, we depended on our
families, we depended on our churches, as far as being that kind of central hub for prosperity,
for productivity, and all of the rest. And so really what we did in going into Uncle Tom II
was just learn to be bold and learn to be unafraid, to ask the questions and turn over
the stones that traditionally we're told not to, if that makes sense.
You guys found a lot of really, really interesting footage. And I mean, it paints a really sad story
of what happened to Black America. You really show these people who were just so successful
and had such strong family values, and really, I mean, such strong communities. And looking at
these old images, it contradicts so much of what we were told Black America used to look like. Can
you talk about kind of the process of gathering that footage? How did you get a lot of this?
Well, we had learned a lot on part one. So, you know, as far as our research,
and just getting better at that, a lot of archives exist. And you just got to, you know,
once you can find like a little breadcrumb, you can find more. I feel like one of the biggest
treasure troves that we found was an archive of a pastor in 1920s Oklahoma named Solomon Sir Jones.
There was a bit of film put in a Smithsonian video that showed Black Americans with oil wells and
lots of small businesses, a lot of prosperity happening. And so we were looking for more of
trying to find where the Smithsonian had located those images. And we lucked out,
and we ended up finding the entire archive. He had shot over six hours of 16 millimeter film
in the 1920s that they had found in an attic around Tulsa, Oklahoma in the early 2000s. It
was just decaying in an attic. And luckily, they were able to preserve that. Unfortunately,
six hours of this stuff was then buried in archives and just selectively used.
Where I, you know, I feel like that is a something that you would want to celebrate and
show everybody this footage. I feel like when we found that, we found a lot of Tulsa, Oklahoma
footage. And we were going through that. And then it dawned on us that the footage was shot
four years after the Tulsa Massacre, what they call the Tulsa Massacre.
And it told a completely different story. And so Solomon Sir Jones led to some other, you know,
once our vision of the South started to change, we started looking for other
photographers and people that were filming in that time. We found a man named Richard Samuel
Roberts, who had a photo studio in Columbia, South Carolina for over 20 years. They found
all his glass plates in a basement, rotting away, and someone was able to preserve that.
So we started figuring out that the South wasn't what we had been taught our entire life.
There was a lot of prosperity happening. Black America was on the rise.