Valley of the Planets & The Devil’s Tower: Science Can’t Explain

Spherical rocks, close encounters in ancient civilizations, all of this and more on this Edge of Wonder with us, Ben and Rob. Yeah, our world is full of mysteries and wonder. Sometimes an official explanation makes sense, but other times it seems that those explanations obscure the truth of what these mysteries actually are. Yeah. Today, join us to dive deeper into the strange formation or maybe even the creation of Libya's Valley of the Planets. Spherical rocks that are millions of years old and looks something like some sort of astrological chart. Also, explore the Devil's Tower in Wyoming, the place Steven Spielberg used for his close encounters of the third kind movie. Yeah. And at the end of the show, don't miss the live Q&A followed by a meditation slash prayer only on Rise TV. And with that, we'll see you guys out on the edge. But how are you doing, Rob? Good, Ben. How are you? Doing OK. Yes. Good. Yeah. 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Yeah, something like that. All right. Well, why don't we just kind of jump into this? I honestly never heard of this before. I think of all the times and all the shows that we've done are all the things that we've covered on the show. You talking about the Valley of the Planets? Yeah. Have you have you heard much about this? I mean, I think I've seen it a couple of times because I remember the Saturn like disks. It might have popped up and, you know, but we've never really dived too deep into it. Yeah. But this is really, really wild. So this this is in Libya. Kind of it's it's kind of difficult to, as you can see, it's not really in like a, you know, main area. It's it's a little bit more remote, so it's a little bit harder to get to, which is why there's not a lot of photos of this. But that's definitely left over from an ancient civilization or something. That is my understanding. The they are over a million years old. They they estimate maybe like 16 million years. So the official explanation is that they were caused by years of wind and rain. I mean, we're talking about like, you know, centuries. What scientists say, it's so exhausting. And it creates this like other worldly aspect to it. There's a lot of really strange patterns in these things. And but what's crazy, even though that's the Lindsey, can you bring up more photos of this? It's OK if you I mean, there's really not a whole lot out there. There is a video, too, that I found as well. You can play this video while we're talking. But there's also this like dome thing that's on a pull it up here. That's one of them. Well, that's right, dude. Yeah. You cannot tell me that's wind and rain. There's no one going to tell me that. I mean, it looks like a giant crystal that that's on this thing, you know, and it just kind of became rock after millions of years. But this is the wild thing. Even though the explanation is years of wind and rain, they have never found another case like this on on earth. Yeah, because spheres, perfect spheres don't exist in nature, really. Not like this. Very nice. Not and usually if it's like wind erosion, you'll see it on one side, not because the wind would hit it on one side, which kind of makes sense, you know, but to be a completely perfect sphere doesn't make a lot of sense. Plus, when you look at this, I mean, it literally looks like some kind of star charts or some something that they were using. You know, actually, there's a scene in the original dark crystal. Oh, yeah. Well, Agla or Agra, I can't remember her name. Agra, I think her name is. It was terrifying. Yeah, they're kind of scary. I had a I had two neighbors that looked exactly like her, funny enough. Wow. Exactly like her. Really scary looking neighbors. They were they were nice people, but they looked like that. Yeah, she always kind of scared me growing up. She's terrifying. Look at her. She was really wise. Lindsay, you type in, um, as like astrology. Oh, my God. No, that is exactly my next door neighbor. Yeah. Type in like Agra astrology planets or something, and you'll it should come up because basically what she had was she was able to map the stars and the planets, and she had these like rotating disks. And this reminds me exactly. Yeah, this is it. Oh, yeah. Using this machine, she was able to predict certain events that that would take place. And this was soon as I saw this, I was like, oh, my gosh, this is like a real life dark crystal thing. They're just kind of laying on the map. Yeah. Well, certainly, um, it is Agra. Yeah, that's what I thought. You know, I'm kind of sad they didn't do a season two of that on Netflix because the first one was was very well done. If you guys have not seen if you've seen the Dark Crystal and you haven't seen the Netflix Dark Crystal series, watch it. It is phenomenal. Actually, it's scary. Really, really good. It's and it really especially with Agra. Yeah, but it really it's scary because it's like this is really happening in real life. Like that's what that's what what scared me about it is it seemed like there was more truth in there than I think. When it didn't get a season two, I was like, hmm. I was actually surprised they put a lot into it. But I think it just I think when Netflix doesn't renew, it's always a money thing they look at. They are. They're looking at data and seeing how many people are watching and completing. Yeah. So back to this. Back to the planet of the apes or whatever that's called. What is it called? The Valley of the Planets Valley of the Planet. Yeah, there's it reminded me of something. One of my friends, close friend of mine, was telling me that another friend of ours that we both know was out in Scotland. And he says that there was this one when he was tooling around Scotland. He went to the beach or the shore and he swears on his life that he saw moving rocks, moving alive rocks. There isn't even a name for these things. And and now maybe they were they appeared to look like rocks. I don't really know. But that there were these figures that were moving. And for some reason, when I saw those, I got that same feeling by looking at that. Yeah, this it reminded me of this guy when he said it from Never Ending Story. I had a never. Rock eater. Well, you know, and it's also in Lord of the Rings, too. No. Well, the trees, the ants. No trolls. Trolls are made from mountain. No, no, no, no, no. Well, technically, it's in The Hobbit where where the the. The trolls. No, the mountains come alive and they're actually like giant beings. No, it's not in Lord of the Rings. It's it's. No, those are the trolls. No, no, no, no, no, no. They're they're the rock. They're they're like they're mountains that turn into like humanoid things. And then I'm telling you, dude, they're the trolls. No, no, dude. It's the no, it's don't look up Lord of the Rings. Type in Hobbit mountain giants. Mountain troll. They're mountain trolls. That's what they're called. So some of them, some of them came from the mountains and some of them came from other areas, but there they were. They came from the earth. They came from rocks. They were trolls. These things. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. It's not trolls. These are actually like they're mountains and they turned into these like giant rocks. And then they started smashing each other and then they were caught in between them. That sounds dangerous. And and what's weird. Yeah. And what's even weirder is that. They are in the really bad movie. I mean, the what was it? The one with they were telling the story of. Moses, or is it Noah? No, no, it was Noah. I think it was Noah. Oh, yeah. The Nephilim and that looked like, yeah, they had the same kind of structure as the why did they come up with? That was a bizarre thing to conceptualize for the movie. Noah, I did not understand that they would show the Nephilim like that. Somebody in the chat said they were called golems, not not go. No, no. In real life, they're called golems because there's a whole. Yeah. Well, not necessarily. The Jewish tradition has a history of these things called golems, which are humanoid robots that were created from rock and earth and that the the person in charge of them, like the rabbi or whatever, could control the golem to protect the the Jewish look like war or religion. I guess you could say like that's what it was for. I'm looking it up now. There are Jewish folklore, typically humanlike figures brought to life from inanimate matter, often clay, clay. Correct. They would be like kind of like sculpted or whatever. And then, yeah, and and like it's weird, like they they would have like Hebrew characters either written on them or in a scroll or something. And if you took the scroll out or removed the characters, the golem would stop. Wow. Yeah. And and in most versions of it. So it's just like with this. So they would write on their forehead, just like what that guy was doing. And they would put the word truth on it and then on some other words. And then it would they would be brought to life. That is crazy. And then if they if they wanted to in their life, they would remove the first letter of their forehead. They would remove it. And then it would. Yeah. And you know, Ben, what's weird is when we were looking when we were looking at those Valley of the Planet objects, I get the feeling from them that they're alive. I don't feel like I don't know if that's true. It's just they feel. It could be. So that's what Lindsay, can you go back to that one? That's like round and sphere. Yeah. The perfect sphere thing. On because, yeah, honestly, it you could. What this reminds me is like a, you know, like a hand holding up a ball, a crystal, like some kind of like crystal rock or something like that, that could have been. They could have like had an energy source that could have been the center of their energy or something, you know? And then, like I said, over time, it's just like turned into a solid rock. But maybe if you like were to like go inside of that thing, it's possible that you would find crystal. You know, it's hard to say. I mean, lots of rocks, sure. Mm hmm. Now, that whole area, they say it's connected to a group of people called the Turek, a T-U-A-R-E-G. And they're a nomadic group of people known for celestial navigation. They call the rocks Kwa. I don't even know how to pronounce this. K-A-W-A-K-W. Help us out here. How do you pronounce that in English? I don't even know. It's Kwab Kwak. And Kwak Kwak Nib something like that. K-A-W-A-K-W-A. Kwak Nib Kwak Nib, it means planets anyway in their language. This is this word. Yeah. Highlighted. So that that's that's what makes this even more unusual because they're like, well, this is all created by wind erosion. But then they're talking about these people that actually have a fascination with stars and planets. And just like the the Dokman is uh the uh the dogan tribe dogan tribe in africa um they had an understanding of the planets and celestial aspects of the sky that they shouldn't have known um and just to refresh most of the ancient most of the ancient races seem to have that like serpent mound with serpent mound too like how did they know that how did the mayans know that yeah you know if those people came from a pre-cataclysmic earth came back up they were bringing information with them so that's exactly it and to go back to the dogan tribe to kind of refresh people uh they're they're like a 2000 year old tribe and in the 1900s they were doing some studies and they found um a whole bunch of uh cave paintings and certain artifacts and one specific thing that they found was a reference to the star sirius and they were like oh they knew what about the star sirius but there was two other little um planets or dots that were around the series no they didn't know what what what those were at the time and it wasn't until the hubble telescope where they realized that those two dots were actually the solar system that is part of the sirius star system and there's no way even with even with the most powerful telescope on earth they were having a hard time finding it it was only through the hubble telescope in the 60s that they figured this out and so how did this tribe 2 000 years ago know about a small solar system within the sirius star so that that's like you know that that just kind of blew everyone's mind so it's i feel like it's the same thing with this like they had some sort of understanding that that's just been lost so um or yeah technology maybe bio-human technology maybe they were seeing these things and then recording them or they were given that information from whoever was inhabiting earth at that time right right well a lot of the native americans believed that they were from of the stars you know um yeah like the hopis particularly right yeah yeah especially the hopis uh and they have a lot of um stories about this and um so that's that's what's kind of wild about it and uh and and also like you know bring kind of going back to or kind of bringing in gobekli tepe into this you know which is one of the most ancient sites that has been found um to date or at least acknowledged that it's at least 12 000 years old and um there's been um not not only has there been a massive cover-up but they are actually um purposely destroying parts of it and i think the main reason is because they say it kind of defies everything we know um on main mainstream archaeology and what we're being told uh because because it just goes against everything it's like oh yeah this was just built by hunter-gatherers yeah knucklehead hunter-gatherers what did they know yeah yeah yeah it has like advanced detailed star systems and maps and look they had cryptids it's probably a boar or something look at that it's wild yeah so some crazy stuff um all right uh let's see all 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of tartar sauce or something like that you're gonna don't tell me it's a free tell me it no longer exists don't tell me i'll get into it on friday all right aside from that to keep you guys guessing what that is but um lindsay you know what before we dive into the devil's tower um i do look since we're talking about gobekli tepe let's go back to this and uh because it it really is such an important part of our human history that's being covered up but so the official explanation actually go to the lindsay go to the go to this link the egyptian obelisks so they found these egyptian obelisks you know we we know all about them but the biggest one is like 150 feet tall okay so these are big and don't play this yet pause it for a second i want to show i want to explain what's going on here so the official explanation is that they were used carved with rocks and tools and basically people just like copper tools quick right or bronze bronze tools yeah so this is from jimmy corsetti and he has a video of 35 years of people chiseling away a rock and they barely left a dent in it after 35 hard rock yeah that that basalt in the uh the granite is like it's impossible to do so can you play this video lindsay does that hurt your hands how hard is that it's not doing anything dust oh this is a good shot you're just chopping up dust this is what we need a whole team all right so basically they have this rock and they they they want people to come and and carve and chisel into it but after 35 years the egyptian government doing this nothing nothing has been there's not even like any movement in this giant rock so how in the world were they able to carve such perfect giant rocks that that fit perfectly in together that have like a perfect angle just using hand tools it doesn't make any sense whatsoever so that that was kind of like you know showing the gap in that theory that there's no way these were carved with just like some ancient tools of just like hand rocks and no i mean you saw that that obelisk in there that was laser cut or something there's no way and also it wasn't kind of exact machinery that was that's the biggest one to date and the it didn't it wasn't it was like unfinished um yeah it was left there for thousands of years yeah it's still massive and the other thing that they don't talk about with egypt is there there are massive gaps of history missing of the egyptian culture so you have like a span of maybe 200 years that is completely missing um the history is just like lost and then it starts up again and it goes for another like 100 200 years and then there's another like 75 years that's just completely missing and that's not that's not really brought up a lot because i think that they don't like when there's missing time because they don't really want to put any focus on that because then it's like well what happened during that time so but it's the same thing with gobekli tepe they found these massive carved stones that's bigger than than stonehenge older than stonehenge and we're just seeing the surface there's a whole deeper aspect that's buried under gobekli tepe and a lot of the controversy is that why aren't they digging deeper to find these things well instead they started planting all these trees for some strange reason ah that's what they always do and then they started uprooting the trees and the roots are destroying what's underneath so it was almost like they purposely were doing this to try to destroy the evidence because it it just flips everything we understand about human civilization upside down and um you know and then and then also if when you're watching graham hancock from graham hancock's understanding what we're seeing they all they're mapping the stars and because it's kind of like okay this could be found in future generation we don't speak the same language but we're seeing the same sky so we'll communicate with the stars and so they communicated through that there was some kind of global or major catastrophe at least in their area and they knew ahead of time that this was going to happen so they they showed they they carved all the stars to show like it to publish a date hey this is the date when things happened on our side you know for a future generation when you find it this is what happened to us this is our story and um and that's and then that goes back about 12 000 years maybe maybe 11 000 years ago so it seems like collective understanding that that could have been we may actually be seeing more of remnants of the atlantean civilization and that's kind of who i think who built gobekli tepe and probably egypt as well so i think a lot you know especially the sphinx they have no idea how old the sphinx are or is yeah or the pyramids or the pyramids really they were covered they were covered in sand water you mean no they were covered in sand when they old illustrations of when they discovered it was only the tip of the pyramids peeking up above the sand that's how they knew to go dig there yeah but also they were underwater too at some point because there's um water erosion well the water erosion allegedly robert shock is saying that the water erosion came from hundreds and hundreds of years of rain so he he postulates that that whole area wasn't a desert at one time but was a massive extremely uh water rich environment you only get that type of erosion that's on um the sphinx from rainwater not from underwater underwater erosion would look different on the surface than that okay if that makes sense yeah well i mean that area used to be a um rainforest the whole sahara that's that's what robert shock was saying and that's what actually caused so much controversy for him is him saying it used to be a rainforest there's all this water erosion etc you can you can find evidence of it and that's why i truly believe that it was underwater at one point because they they're finding like they found a giant whale um skeleton of a whale in the middle of the sahara desert and it's like yeah and it's you know it was like in the rock this is yeah this is why i think that the pyramids are hundreds of thousands of years older than they think that is because if those things were covered by sand and under the ocean there'd be no erosion there'd be no way of you knowing how old those things are it just would be it'd be yeah so this is lindsey's pulling it up right now the whale egyptian um yeah anyway this is what they found it was like this whale bone and it wasn't it wasn't yeah i mean where'd it come from right so um but there's other fossils that they found that were um you know water related fossils um i'm trying to think of the technical word there like aqua but um yeah wild stuff and not only that but there are ancient rivers you know trails of ancient rivers that are all now dried up obviously in sahara so but that is that is a hundred percent fact that the sahara was a um lush rainforest at one point in time like the science has accepted that so it's like well then why couldn't it been you know why can't that egyptian egypt go together hey it's really weird but um yeah some wild stuff but okay so anyway i i mean in and i think like you know again we we have talked about gobekli tepe a few times but i feel like it's just such a an important aspect of human history and um it's lost you know but i think that i supposedly the greeks knew sorry well i was gonna say the greeks knew exactly how the pyramids were built and it was all in the library of alexandra which was burned down so we think yeah because i i'm pretty sure that they moved all of that stuff over to rome before it got burned correct that's funny you might you're probably right about that oh but we were going to talk about the devil's tower let's get into the devil's tower yes this is another um thing that we never really went too hard on on the show so this this is also very fascinating um the official once again the official explanation is that it was a volcanic plug that formed approximately 50 million years ago when molten magma pushed into the um into the like rock layers and then it just kind of slowly spewed over and then it just cooled and it stayed that way however it's very rare to find this formation of anything else like there's nothing that really looks like this especially on uh in america this is pretty much like its only thing so especially when you look at hawaii and there's so many volcanoes why don't we find another structure like this in anywhere else also kind of weird you know so it's 167 feet tall from the base to the summit and it's completely flat um it stands about 15 or stands about um 12 000 feet above sea level or i guess 15 it says 15 meters above sea level so then it was a really important site for the for all the native american tribes um for the lakota the um cayenne and um there's another one to kiowa um all of them called it related to something like bear like bear lodge bears tip um there then there was also called a loft on a rock is another tribe called it like translated it was called that the legends of all of the native americans um were mostly involved with a bear chasing people they called it a great spirit rising raising the rock to protect them leaving claw marks as the um like for the grooves you know it was like a giant bear like a spirit of a bear that would chase people if they were doing wrong things or whatever came too close to it um there was also girls that were supposedly rescued and then they were they became part of the palladian star cluster that that's literally written in like the native american culture you know the palladian star cluster is a very important part of a lot of native american cultures and that's another thing that's kind of been lost they feel like many of them feel like that was their true home or where they descended from i guess you could say um so but it was declared this was actually america's first national monument president um roosevelt filed an act in 1906 and um so you know there's other theories as to the possible formation of this um some say it's a petrified stump of a massive ancient tree uh that was it looks like that does so they called it the forest of giants and supposedly there were these massive trees that now don't exist um except for that's like a remnants of it and um there's supposedly an alleged petrified root system if you were to look at seismic readings underneath it um that's i mean according to the official explanation that's like oh it's not possible it's debunked you know but um considering that because the size it's it's such a massive tree i mean yeah lindsey can you pull it up again if you had trees that massive which make the redwood trees in california look small then what were the size of the beings that were around on earth at that time or yeah there's a video too you can show this just play it without the sound if you want he she showed it oh she did i didn't even notice okay talking yeah um that really is wild i mean it reminds me of the um you know in the movie avatar when they're attacking the the what do they call it they're the the tree the tree of life i don't know i forget what they have a very specific name for the tree but it's like that massive so it doesn't really seem that far-fetched you know to think about it from that perspective and we we just have no idea really what's been going on for you know the last million years on planet earth and everything that we we're told is i feel like it's kind of a lie so this is um close encounters of the third kind steven spielberg used this for the end of the movie as where the aliens landed that's been another theory is that it was once upon a time some kind of like spaceport or something like that um now there is a wild crazy theory revolved around um close encounters of the third kind and it came from um project serpo and we will get into that next but rob first why don't you tell us about our awesome 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got it in our last episode we went into detail about how the u.s secretly has alien craft and documented testimonials on first-hand accounts of not only seeing crafts but alien bodies as well in this episode michael will be presenting the most mind-blowing account he has which includes multiple witnesses you won't believe what he has so without further ado let me introduce michael schratt that's a really good interview michael schratt has really done a lot of legwork and hunting down what's going on with ufos where they are and what kind of technology they have and that interview is on rise.tv with your subscription there's two episodes so if you crave that type of information that's something no one on youtube has so definitely check that out it's true all right let's get into um project serpo yes so highly controversial project serpo do you know about it rob i'm yes i know enough to have a conversation with you okay yeah yeah so um we have kind of covered this in like a really old episode but i i couldn't even remember which one i was actually looking for that episode and i was like man i don't even know which one we covered but supposedly there was a transcript of a classified tape recording made at camp david um during a presidential briefing with ronald reagan in the 80s at the time when he was president and some aides that he had at the time that were um talking to him in private and he was specifically asking about earth visitation visitation from extraterrestrials and in the recording they they just put caretaker they they didn't really label who this guy is um and all that there all that i could find was a transcript but this is what private project serpo is about um basically the whole thing lindsay you can kind of pull it up if you i mean the transcript i'm not i don't have to read this entire thing but um but basically and i i'm kind of going in the middle of this where where they're kind of specifically talking about extraterrestrials and brick coming into close encounters of the third kind so basically the caretaker explains that they were developing a program which they called project dove and he called it this is his wording it is a complex series of disinformation operations by our military intelligence agencies to disinform the public as you know mr president we have some highly classified aircraft so basically he goes into the fact that they wanted to keep the presence of ufos and possible aliens in the public sphere so that way they could kind of mask what they are doing with um their own technology by technology which is a part of this conversation it is and when you're talking about the amount of information that's swimming around out there that's fake compared with what's real there would be players in intelligence agencies that would want people to stay off of the track of those those things that they're developing and then also try to control the narrative within the ufo community exactly and in the entertainment industry as we're going to get so um then i mean so then he's he talks about how he says if you consider the first person who helped us with this disinformation program mr george adamski back in the early 50s and up to all the movie productions of ufo related movies this helps the public to keep their minds open but also allows us to keep our secret aircraft away from the public knowledge that includes some of the craft that were lent to us by the evens and then he like so then ronald reagan comes in and he says i always knew that there was some sort of um cooperation between our government and the motion picture industry because you know he was part of the motion picture or you know he was a movie star he says i heard rumors over the years even during my acting days and then he says well mr president the first um cooperative venture was the movie the day the earth stood still and then he talks about that was with the united states air force and then he asks president um reagan asks about the close encounters and then he says yes that movie provided the basic subject matter for that movie and then he asks was it based on a real incident and the caretaker i mean they're kind of like talking about a couple other things but then the caretaker just gives this really really long-winded answer without saying yes he tells this whole story about truman and how that they were um basically secretly meeting uh and then there was a ufo crash site and then they they and basically what we're seeing at the end i mean in a nutshell what he's kind of describing is what we're seeing at the end of close encounters of the third kind was exactly what took place in real life and they just had steven spielberg recreate it basically yeah you know what's so weird about this ben is they say and you know this that if you combined the movie et with close encounters of the third kind you'd kind of have more of the whole story but instead of the finger being healing from et it was like a death ray what's weird about that is if you look into the dulce firefight which is you know in the 90s this became kind of like a big topic conversation with uh phil schneider yeah phil schneider had you know how he's missing a of those on his left hand sorry he's missing a few of his fingers right and he claims that that happened because when he went down into this hole that they were that they were drilling uh he saw three or more large grays tall seven foot tall tall grays and that he was able he pulled his pistol and he shot a couple of them and then one of the guys made this motion one of the grays made this motion with his hand and it sent out this energy wave or this energy beam and it ended up cutting off part of his hand and then opening up his chest and then one of the green berets that were there ended up saving his life well it's just weird that what phil schneider is describing almost seems very similar to some of the things that are in project surf yeah that that is true that we know came from that yeah and it's you know once again you know with all the stuff it's hard to say whether this is all real or not but i mean when you start looking at things that they there's a lot of things that kind of line up um i i don't know if the evens are are grays um i think somebody just asked this and i was going to actually bring this up too because i i was wondering the same thing um from what i know the evens do come from zeta reticuli which supposedly where the grays come from too uh so i i don't know if it's like a you know kind of like a cousin of the grays if they are the same if it's different you know it's really hard to say in this case but they they do kind of resemble supposedly they kind of are very similar in nature they're the same height roughly between three to four feet kind of grayish color um bigger eyes so i mean it could be it's just really hard to say at this point but supposedly there was some kind of exchange that happened also technological exchange that took place so um and i was trying to find this and this i haven't been able to find this but this this this is where it came from the project serpo there was a reporter in the 80s who randomly got mailed something and and this story i i spent a long time trying to find the story again and we told it in one of our old episodes and it was information related to this and how they showed steven spielberg the real encounter with these events and that they asked him to recreate it um you know and supposedly what he did was exactly how they recreated it just the location was different the location in the movie was devil's tower but the real location um i can't remember where it it might have been in utah or something like that where the original location is but of course devil's tower is in wyoming but um so anyway something similar to that nature but once again you know it's kind of hard to prove all this but it definitely and and like steven spielberg 100 believes in aliens and and if you think about how many movies he's made that deals with aliens it's a lot actually because the ai artificial intelligence like that whole thing has aliens in it too um so and and there's uh you know there's a lot of movies that he's made that's like very sci-fi or deals with aliens so he definitely believes in them and he even even came out publicly and stated that so um he said i've never seen a ufo spielberg said i wish i had i've never seen anything i can't explain but i believe certain people who have seen things that they can't explain i think what has been coming up recently is fascinating absolutely fascinating and i think the secrecy that is shrouding all of these sightings and the lack of transparency i think there's something going on that just needs extraordinary due diligence yeah and of course i agree steven spielberg i do too and there's a new series on netflix a new documentary series about ufos and he's he's the like the producer behind the whole thing so it's like you know he's very much involved with all of this um i mean one of us you know outside of doing jaws and then it was like close encounter the third kind and it's like you know it's just kind of wild all of this so i mean have you watched jaws recently not recently i watched jaws recently and the filming is so good dude some of the stuff he was doing with with cameras and stuff were totally cutting edge and when you watch it you just forget it was in the 70s you think that it was now i mean now you know it's it's crazy good yeah it's it's one of my brother's favorite movies of all time actually it's excellent it's very well done they were having major issues with the shark during the filming of the whole thing and steven spielberg was getting very frustrated because he in the end the end climactic scene was supposed to be something completely different and the mechanical aspects of the shark kept failing so they had to like do something else which probably in the long run worked out better because you couldn't really see the shark as much and that actually made it a little bit more scary here yeah because the whole thing he wanted to show the shark throughout the whole movie and it kept failing and so they they they were like they were just like you know some dude would wear a thin thing you know to go and that that lo and behold you know it just worked out better that way yes all right you guys well all righty yeah hope you enjoyed this episode these are always fun really cool conversations to have um we're about ready to jump over to rise.tv where we're going to get into your questions that you are asking in our live chat over on rise.tv so you can come over and join us for 12.99 a month and support what we do once again we have over a thousand videos of pretty much every topic you can possibly think of and um yeah and let you or let us know what you think and also we have our um delicious metaphysical coffee as well and if you want your mornings to 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