Royal Malarkey _ EP29 Hugh Capet of France - The Capetian Dynasty

Ready spaghetti You ready to? with We're rumbling with spaghetti. Yeah, I just won't rumble with Eddie. It's the meatballs We're rumbling with the meatballs. Mm-hmm almost like that. It was yummy cloudy with a chance. Yeah Are you ready to rumble with cloudy with a chance of meatballs? It's too many withs in that title It's a lot. It is though on your search for a novel title. I'd keep keep looking I'm sorry. I'm not an author. My mom's an author I'm not not to either I would like to be that lifestyle is very it Treating for I don't know that my brain is that creative in that way like that was creative I may be in that way in that way. I'm creative and I like do things way Creating like out of thin air a whole storyline because I would have to go fantasy. I would not be able to write Like fictional but like set in the world Like I would have to do some kind of like fantasy world and then I'd get caught up in the language You know in the language. Yeah coming up with like my own elvish you do know you could do fantasy where they speak English or Or The this is the problem you you act like you're not a big-picture person But look at you struggling with the big picture. You really wanted to be an author You don't have to write your own language, and I feel like I'm not talking enough So you only want to be an author if you can be talking? You don't want to be an author Lifestyle does not appeal to you Does to me I mean the idea of just chillin and riding or I guess sitting around drinking hot tea all day maybe even a mimosa or two and just creatively and then you're like I'm gonna take a break go to the gym and then you walk outside because of course if you're a writer you have to live in like Edinburgh So then now I'm in love with a style yeah, so then then you're just gonna walk outside and look at all of the like buildings that are Hundred times older than you and John said they're inspired and you're like I get to get back in there and start writing again I don't even need the gym Cuz I live in Edinburgh and I walk everywhere Hello everyone. Welcome to episode 29 Welcome back This week we are talking about Hugh copy Of the house of Capet yes, I'm the Capetian dynasty patient. Yeah patient Why not? Why not Capetian is capet? Haitian you don't hear the difference in what you're saying? No Do you hear the difference of what I'm saying, I don't do asking listener capet Capetian is capet Not in French Capet which is exactly what you said when you introduced it Hugh Capet. Mm-hmm. Okay, and then Capetian Not Capetian. I Mean I'm just gonna go with it because you seem to be really confident So last week we told you about Louis the fifth of false Mm-hmm. He was a bit of a sluggard King a bit one of those do-nothings He's the one who got married twice. Oh No, I'm sorry. He first married a woman who is about twice his age Really 28 years older than him and he was like 15 at the time more than twice his age. Yeah that marriage was annulled because obviously they did not have things in common and He died childless in a hunting accident So we talked a lot about our buddy Hugh in the last episode things that we're not going to rehash today We'll give you gentle reminders as Clarissa says. Oh, we talked about that last week because I definitely don't remember I really didn't cover a whole lot that was already discussed because I really Found enough information about Hugh That's relevant what you just said did not make any sense at all. It's Here's the thing. Hey guys, I'm pregnant and my brain doesn't work the way it used to Can I just throw that card out there anytime always and yet we have a podcast so it will have to be clear You know what if I talk about something you've talked about no, all I said was we're not going to cover Everything we've already covered and your sentence just implied. We didn't really cover him anyway last time. That's what you just said We did cover him last time a lot we did we're not going to do that again but Clarissa may say like This kind of happened. We talked about it last time So if you want to hear it go back and listen to last week's episode, yeah You know last week last week. We're so confident that that's gonna go smoothly Is this gonna be one of those days where we say they never married five seconds later With children I swear you I just told them he never got married. Yes You Welcome to the show in case you didn't know this this is royal malarkey. We are chaotic It is our draw. It is. Okay, it's the appeal. So Hugh Capet was born back in 939 to Don't have my notes up. So I don't know why Hugh the great the powerful Hugh the great and his wife Hedwig I bought them so I don't have to do it. What no, we both have to do it. Oh, please I said no, no, no both of us because I was waiting for it to happen. And then you got so excited Hedwig the point is but since I bought him you have to you want to yeah, I'll you want to Do y'all recall when we were podcast only hopefully we have some people who are who've translated over to the youtubers Yes, anytime we bring up a Harry Potter reference one must Yeah, it is. There you go Have a birdie bought every flavor bean from Harry Potter and trust me. Some of these do not go Well, I will reject the vomit because you don't get a choice. No, no vomit might actually make me vomit You don't get to choose. I can't do it. You've never gotten vomit. You don't know what it's like untrue No, it's I have no I have gotten vomit. So I do know what it's like not eating vomit I've had to eat it like three times. I'm not doing it Close your eyes. Okay, hold please people. We'll be right back. It's bright green guys. Only bright green. Let me see only bright green Let me oh I'm like, let me see and I need everybody's all right, you know specs eat it. Okay, I have to guess. Mm-hmm Candy apple green apple. Yeah. Oh mine's yellow But it's like a neon yellow and neon yellow. So oh, maybe it's a lemon like maybe they're actually good the thing is I've gotten grass soap dirt Sausage and mine's definitely lemon. Yeah, we lucked out today Really lucked out today and Hedwig for those of you who don't know is Harry Potter's owl Hope you know that You know somebody out there might just be normal and not crazy and obsessive like we are I think normal implies that you know who Harry Potter is. I do agree with you. They just know the owl's name That's possible Okay. Um, anyway back to that repeats do not count So agreed Hugh Capay's parents powerful Duke Hugh the Great and his wife Hedwig Saxony who actually came from the line of Charlemagne Yeah, so he was descended from Charlemagne's sons Louis the Pious and Pepin Through Hedwig's paternal grandmother, I Honestly didn't Go into it. I just left it at Descendant of Charlemagne and his direct uncle was the Eastern Frankish King So he's out of the great connected. Did I hear him out? Yeah Very very well connected dude. Very well Yeah, and his grandfather was elected king already Robert the first of France on his dad's side Should we talk about that just now? His grandfather was elected king already. Yeah, I'm the first to France He's episode 24 So when I said did we talk about that already and you said yeah just now Did you mean episode wise? Mm-hmm. I didn't know that. How would you not know that? So that we mention it and yet when I asked leading right into your note you're like, oh no We just talked about just now just now Like two seconds ago, we're gonna duck our heads down and start over ready We're new people now, so Robert the first have we talked about him before yes in episode 24 So the Capetian dynasty Capetian Capetian is a very long-lasting dynasty and it is because They ruled from 987 to 1328 which is 340 years and we will get into a little later why they ruled for so long. Oh, yes, because It's a thing. Mm-hmm But just a brief recap, so he was born What did I say 939? Parents he did he did marry Adelaide he's the daughter of a count And they did have a couple of kiddos Gisela Another Hedwig for which I do not have to you know, and a son Robert's second who we will be talking about next week So he was actually elected king in 9 When he was about 17 years old and he ruled with his father I'm wrong you're very wrong Undo Clarissa. Hey, he was elected king He's lucky keen in 987 making him about 48 years old when he was elected when he was elected Yes, and special note his two brothers ruled over Burgundy. So it his brothers were Otto and Henry and it kind of made it a little bit more peaceful between Frank yeah and Burgundy which used to be under the same rule, but Burgundy's broken off Quite a bit to do their own thing Also cool factoid as we do His paternal family. So it's because he was related to you know Romaine and the French line and all that through his mom's not mom's side of the family But for his dad's side of the family the Robertians who argument a little bit they were powerful Powerful refer for powerful landowners In that you'll do France. Do you know what that is? No, he defaults. So Another Vikings reference because what other movie goes back this far? France at this time is on an island in the middle of the Seine. So Paris or just like the center Paris Oh Paris. Yeah. Yeah. Paris is only this little island in the middle of the Seine It's all it is. That's where I am. Notre Dame is which used to be their castle, right? So apparently they owned a cathedral Originally, yeah But didn't they It was like a palace for a while, right? I think it was a palace for a brief minute I mean even if it was a cathedral didn't they Palace out of it. I don't know Anyway and large cities at this time were literally built around wherever the Cathedral was and this Cathedral was built on the island So what happens is you have the sin going along? Business and there's this huge island and it splits and goes around the island and comes back And now it's like the most expensive part of Paris to live in it's a huge tourist area, but that's where you go and visit Notre Dame and But apparently they owned that island. Oh Powerful landowners in the ill defense nice. Oh, you'll is island Look at you Putting two and two together and making five got there So 956 he inherited his father's estates when he was about 17 years old in theory making him one of the most powerful nobles in a very highly reduced kingdom of West Francia Because and I say reduced because our last Carolingian king really didn't have any power because all of his lands were taken from him as we mentioned earlier. Mm-hmm the With the last week well finial. Yeah, the lazy guy up there and he just Sorry, there's Hucca pet. I moved to pay to pay Hey So what I'm doing off our chin here Jim's hanging off her chin interesting. Don't we I don't know. It might just be like a Nick in the painting. I don't know Youtubers only get to see that so if you could pay Actually was pretty powerful from the age of 17 Even though he wasn't like a full adult like 17 isn't like old enough to not rule with the Regency so his mom kind of acted as his guardian when he was younger before being crowned king because he was a crown until he Was like in his late 40s. Mm-hmm and Young Hughes neighbors ended up taking advantage and kind of trying to fight and so he lost a little bit of land there when he was young in 960 Lothair's episode in episode 27 Lothair agreed to grant Hugh the legacy of his father in the margrave of Newestria and the title of the Franks, so he initially inherited the estates and then Lothair from episode 27 Actually gave him the official title of Duke of the Franks, which basically makes him second in command To the king. Yeah, so very very young didn't do much by 17 by this Seriously, I did graduate high school when I was 17 Oh, who knows like just because my birthday is in the summer not because I did anything special. I Was like No, yeah, you're the youngest. I Second claim special. I've always felt it. I have like this thing about being the younger one, too That's why it is your birthday was in this so used to being younger and less responsible than everyone Because my thing is I wanted to be older and now Clarissa's young She's almost a year younger than me. I'm gonna hang out. I spend all my time with her getting all Insecure and you spend all of your time getting insecure Feeling like an old lady. Oh my god Okay, so we've got some fun bits for you guys in 981 Hugh did a very good thing Hugh did a thing. He did a very very good thing. What did he do returned the relics this faint Val? Yes, he did do He restored them to their proper resting place He restored them to its their prop their proper resting place. Can I do the whole like bend over thing? Yeah watching ready? Hello You got too ecstatic You did you got too into it I did you got it all things in moderation Clarissa all things in moderation And 981 he returned the relics of st. Valerie to the proper resting place Kudos, sir. Kudos to him, which did did you do things on this? I Wait, you know what the relics were. I believe they may be body parts. Tell me what they are I don't know exactly what they were, but I did look into our buddy Valerie or Valeric a little bit so he was a peasant that decided he didn't want to be like a Shepherd or whatever and he went into the church And he kind of started like a cult kind of thing But maybe not a crazy kind of cult maybe just like a live off the land live peacefully I think cults back then were more acceptable. Yes, so actually this so he he like moved To this part of the kingdom and started this little like I guess he was into like horticulture So like farming living off the land loving God kind of thing And then he died but that people just kept doing that. They are right. I guess cult but he Did it's actually still there and it's a resort now that you can go to and They in and live really Peacefully. Yeah for sure. That's cool And it's literally named let's see, what is it called st. Valerie's or some sauce homes Valerie's or some St. Valerie on the Somme River, I think yeah, yeah, so it's a Place near the mouth of the Somme River, but it's actually now like a Resort that you can go stay in. Yeah, anyway but Hugh could pay had a dream Yeah, yeah, you want to tell him about that? This is our image on YouTube the appreciation of st Valerie to Hugh capet. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he came to him in a dream and as night Yeah, what do you want to tell her you want me to yeah go for it I just that night He came to him in a dream and told him that for what you have done You're you and your descendants shall be kings to the seventh generation And when Hugh finally did get crowned king he refused to wear his his like Insignia, right? Yeah thinking that he would extend it by one generation And that way like just that a little bit longer his legacy would continue but in actuality Seventh generation is a figurative term seven is so it's seven is a very religious number and so I guess people debate that the significance of the seven is it your Your line will live on through the French monarchy And in fact his bloodline in some way did actually last until 1848 in France Although the current king of Spain and Grand Duke of Luxembourg are Capetians so forever. It's really it is forever Till today if ever I want to be visited in a dream. I'm gonna say It's the Hermit Saint Valerie Patrick I guess if I find bones, I should try to return them Do you think maybe then maybe but not today Oh time travels a thing we can go on a bone hunt Yeah, and then maybe get blessed Okay So there's that Yes, what else you got cuz I got stuff on the Divine Comedy do you know You know what the Divine Comedy is isn't that Dante's Inferno? So the Divine Comedy is three different it's a it's like a book essentially about Dante's interpretation of Hell and the circles of hell and not just hell. There's heaven. There's purgatory. It's like it's about The way in how the sins correlate to the type of torture torture you'll get in your punishment It's not necessarily always torture. It's like It's the afterlife. It's about the afterlife and what you get Based on how you live your life or any of your seven deadly sins that you yeah are in constant a middle of so it's divided into Inferno, which is hell purgatory Purgatorio which is purgatory and then paradisio, which is heaven So anyway, I don't know that much about it But it is it is relevant to Hugh Capay Because I think let me find it. They actually He wrote about him in the book Really? Yes, so he puts him on what's known as the fifth terrace of In purgatory so not in hell but in purgatory is on the fifth terrace where he's being Punished amongst other sinners where their sin is avarice, which is greed How is this in greed? I mean, I guess just because so greed a saint blessed him I think blessed him and said your family will rule for essentially seven generations and he thought oh, I'll get ahead by not wearing my Insignia and so my seven won't start yet like greed greed, you know, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so anywho, huh, but He's famous is Famous, you know, I tried to read Dante's Inferno. I was just thinking I Might try to read it, but I never I've never tried before I own it. It is you don't can I have it? It's in storage forever. You can read it. Is it paperback? I really want a paper. No, I don't do paperback I'm the opposite now I kind of like I've been buying up Classics and I'm like I want paperbacks. I want to be able to write all over them and highlight it. Yeah Yeah, I like the collection. I'm trying to buy a specific collection of Barnes and Nobles Classics like it's an older set anyway, because I've been collecting them for so long, right? Anyway, I tried to read it in high school. It is really really that and I think it was the Count of Monte Cristo I really struggled to understand but I did power through the Silmarillion Yeah, that was tough that I couldn't even actually finish Lord of the Rings I got I did a couple chapters into the last the First book or the last book you got into the last book and I got till like right after Frodo Encounters the spider and then he died. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I couldn't get past it. It's just such a tough read It is I can't believe you made it that far and then quit I would have powered through the rest No, I I read The Hobbit as a child multiple times Like I'd read it's a children's book. Mm-hmm, right and then thinking I could easily read Lord of the Rings That took at least a year and then the Silmarillion itself took a year with highlights and notes Right. It's a thin book. It's not I mean Yeah, it is for Lord of the Rings like if you compare it to that, right? It's not yeah Yeah and really the main reason I powered through it is because Ryan my then boyfriend now husband bought it for my birthday and I Really really wanted it. So I better friggin read it Anyway, thank you for buying it for me because I would not have finished it Was it good it is it is good It's a collection of more short stories with like references to different races within ancient Middle-earth like pre Middle-earth Is like we're in earth now. I don't know. Anyway back to Hugh I was about to go real rabbit mile. Yeah, we really need a Lord of the Rings punishment Okay in 987 November of 987 you helped out low to you helped out low tear by backing him up against the battles with the East Germans and moved the Substantiation of and this movement like of the power as the second of command the title that he had inherited from his father I don't I feel like you have a point, but I'm not following where it's going He solidified his power. My notes don't even make sense. My brain is out of service you guys Basically Hugh did low tear a favor when he was losing his regions to his brother Back in episode 27. So if you really want the details on that where I am logical and you can follow me Please check out episode two weeks ago. So she's still You just don't know about it. You just or that's where we told them. No, I was 28 You've only known for like one episode We've known Anyway That's when Getting the title Duke of the Franks became like a really big like deal like he got a lot more power out of it like he had had it for a while, but Anyway, sure episode 27 go back. Yeah, just do that You're better off than sticking with me right now today. What else you got? Yeah, should I kill him or almost they're almost ready to die So one of the reasons he was chosen to be King was that he actually supported monastic reform in the Abbey's while other Contenders can to continue to distribute like the church revenues to their own partitions So he actually tried to keep their own partitions like their own people parishioners parishioners That's probably what I was meaning to write. Okay, so Louis the fifth died childless There was still one more Carol Injun out there Which was Charles LaTierra's brother the one who made a lot of trouble for him back in episode 27 He's the brother that spread the nasty rumors about his sister-in-law Queen Emma of Italy Saying she's sleeping with somebody that she wouldn't sleep with and then they're supposed to be this big court appearance and then he got ousted and So he did that and then he just didn't have a lot of respect for people like he didn't Hold enough respect within the community. It wasn't well respected, right? and he actually married a woman of lower nobility, so sided with the Eastern Franks one too many times and Basically in a surprising bit of clarity. He supported Hugh Capet for the throne and in the Battle of Hastings by Harriet Harvey Wood Charles is quoted as saying Crowned the Duke. He is most illustrious by his exploits his nobility and his forces The throne is not acquired by hereditary right? No one should be raised to it unless distinguished not only for nobility, but of and of birth But not but for the goodness of his soul. So not just because you're a high birth and you're like High-class you were born into it like it should be because you can do a good job. So shocking there Bit of a modern thinking isn't it? Yes at the time and so on July 3rd 987 he is crowned the first of the Capetian household Then seeing the writing on the wall. He pushed to have his son Robert ordained You did so that he would become the heir to the throne and it was politely declined by the Archbishop Why? Because they said that they didn't need two Kings Like we have one we don't need two. Oh, we wanted him ordained as king. Yeah He wanted I thought you meant like Ordained. No, I said that incorrectly. But yeah, he wanted to have a co-king Why because he's 48 he said that oh, well, I'm gonna go do this big expedition in Spain and attack the Moorish armies and he was trying to make it a thing and his His bishop was like no, but he actually won the argument and later that year in December His son Robert became Robert the second and ruled alongside You could pay so next we have a little bit of drama So Charles who had stepped aside earlier for Hugh to be crowned king Had a bit of a change of heart a bit of a he's a go backseas Oh, that's what they call him that that's what I was getting at. Yeah, go backs And gathered their weather friend. That's what I was looking for He gathered other Carolyns and he had a little bit of a change of heart Weather friend that's what I was looking for Uh, he gathered other Carolingian sympathizers and nobles and took Leon from Hugh Which was the seat of the Carolingians like the hereditary the noble one that basically meant you're the king Uh, he could pay tried to take it back twice and failed both times And he then made a big tactical decision And appointed a more distant Carolingian to the seat of archbishop hoping this would like calm things down and appease everybody that a Carolingian of some kind of distancy like had an power right then so Uh that did not quite work the way he thought He made the archbishop swear an oath To him and under penalty of being cursed if he broke it he broke the Boiler alert He breaks he breaks the oath Immediately sides with Charles helps him get in to this another city leads a whole coup pretended pretends the whole time like I was so afraid. I don't know what to do like he tries to lead the nobles to safety and then oh look, there's an army and Like I think his thought process was like like a blood is thicker than water. Yes Yeah, my blood is thicker than the curse you put on me. Uh-huh so They kind of settled into their new digs made themselves comfortable and You know continued making trouble for hewcapay. So hew Ended up taking someone else who was kind of a buddy of theirs And that guy swore to hew All right. He swore that he would like try to sort things out for uh, hew So he goes over to charles and uh the archbishop Who broke his oath and tells them hey, we can totally make peace he's ready to talk and that night uh, hew said not hew, uh, charles says You're gonna swear an oath to me that um, you're on my side and the guy's like, yeah, man. I'm totally on your side For sure And then he broke that oath So two separate people two separate oaths can't trust anybody. They're broken. What is the point of an oath? It just gives me the right to kill you legally, right? So that night he captures both of them bring them over to hew and they're prompted promptly thrown into prison in prison all in all hew owned about 400 square miles of frankia And he never left that space because he was too afraid of being captured or dethroned People kept stabbing him in the back. I wouldn't leave either agreed Um, so then he promptly dies in 966. Yep. Don't know how As we've mentioned on previous episodes I'm gonna put my money on hunting i'm gonna assume hunting. Yeah, he dies. He is buried at the basilica of saint denis. Oh uh I might have seen his grave She might have Pretty much all of them you probably walked by And have pictures of I just like didn't pick take pictures of the names Like oh look at that stone they are like Well, no, they're all ones where it's like they're bought they're stone Carving of their person. Yeah at the front them and their wives or not I probably have a photo of it, but probably do have no idea who it is. Yeah, we'll just have to go back. Yeah Anyway, okay. Um, so he is succeeded by his Son robert who we will talk about next week robert the second robert second episode 30 you have that to look forward to And now we are ready for our relevant tippet This week we're talking medieval parenting advice uh Wildliness and death in the family from medieval lists.net If you're wanting me to read that it needs to be on the literal opposite side of the screen I'm getting it there. Thank you And that zoomed in too much too much too much. There we go too much All right, take it away Both are also warned against the dangers of gambling in the tavern that feels like i'm starting something in the middle of a sentence You are okay. You read it last time. So both children some boys and girls. So boys and girls are also warned Against the dangers of gambling and the tavern and against wily members of the opposite sex The daughter must not take gifts from men who may be trying to just to seduce her And the son must steer clear of common women Because they will bring him nothing but trouble this is pretty standard traditional advice, so Is there anything moderns might find surprising here? maybe Uh, if you read the advice from the mother to the daughter you come across many familiar themes such as being a good housewife Keeping control of the servants and not dressing too elaborately Nearing the end of the text. However comes a startling honest startlingly honest scenario And if it thus thee be tied that Friends fail thee fro on every side. Is this a poem? It is from an older medieval book Okay Try that again And if it thus thee be tied that friends fell thee from on every side and god fro thee thy child take Thy wreck one god do thou not take For thyself it will undo Okay, there's an interpretation. Okay good in other words if you lose your friends And one of your children dies Blaming god will not help you cope See I I got that far and then I thought it was saying you should blame god that's what I thought it was saying I was like What? but this stands out from the From the usual wise but distant advice as it suggests that the death of a child would be such a blow to a woman that She might question her faith uh Whoever the author is did we talk about that? Uh, we're getting there. Okay. Uh The author points this out because it think because the author do we have a name we have a Yeah, i'll get you the name pronoun I can use. Oh, it's a girl Okay so she points this out because I'm, just going to read it verbatim. I point this out because I think moderns cling to a couple of ideas that medieval people About medieval people that are put to the test here first that they are somehow less attached to children Because they died so often and second that medieval people had unshakable unshakable unquestionable faith Which clearly neither is true. Nope author danielle danielle sebulski You can follow her on twitter at five minute medieval list I know I followed her. Did you did you say? Oh, by the way, we're reading your stuff on our podcast And we're sending people to you Okay so Thanks for listening guys. Thanks for coming back. Uh, you can check us out at uh, royalmalarkey.com You can follow us on twitter instagram and facebook If you are tuning in on aversion tv on youtube today, you can Please hit the like subscribe Button or leave us a comment Please yay. We'd love to hear from you Let us know what you think about our parenting advice. 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