Giorgia Meloni's interview on TG5. Don't miss it.

Mr President the entire world is holding its breath over the explosive situation in the Middle East The countdown to the referendum has begun in Italy But let's start with the war How concerned are you Drones have reached Cyprus the war has come to Europe I'm concerned The broader context worries me—a crisis of international law that is inevitably a consequence of the war in Ukraine when a member of the United Nations Security Council deliberately attacked its neighbor It was inevitable that it would lead to a season of chaos Naturally this worries me as it would be astonishing to think otherwise at events happening beyond our borders do not concern us This is why Italy had invested so much so that a serious agreement on the Iranian nuclear issue could be reached especially at a time when international law is faltering and we cannot afford to allow at the current Iranian regime possesses long-range missiles equipped with nuclear warheads Then that agreement failed The United States and Israel have decided to launch the attack without involving European allies The government is currently working to assist thousands of Italians who remain stranded particularly in Gulf countries We are in contact with those countries and also in contact with our European partners The obvious goal is that the crisis doesn't spread but I think nothing could turn out better If Iran does not stop its attacks against Gulf countries which are entirely unjustified Now that there's concern everywhere about a resurgence of terrorism are there also fears for Italy The phenomenon of terrorism linked to Islamic fundamentalism is as you know a very complex issue because it also operates through the actions of individuals and thus is a phenomenon that one can never afford to let their guard down agains and the reason why Minister Piantetosi has convened today the National Committee for Order and Security But all the realities dedicated to this subject are mobilized starting from our intelligence How do you assess Minister Crosetto's absence in the early hours of the attack Guard I can tell you that Minister Crosetto has never stopped doing his job Now let's turn to Italian politics We're discussing the ongoing struggle between the ruling majority and the opposition over justice Why does she say we should vote yes in the referendum Because it's a necessary reform to modernize Italy because it's a fair reform So convincing that supporters of No must lie to sound credible It's said that with this reform we aim to subordinate justice to politics But that's false because the reform does exactly the opposite—it removes the Parliament and political parties' ability to nominate a portion of the CSM at is the self-governing body of the judiciary and removes the authority of ideologically driven factions within the judiciary o decide on the other members of the CSM This mechanism is replaced by a random draw among those who meet the requirements of course to fill that position means freeing those judges free from political influence and focus solely on their merit Then it is also stated that with the separation of careers Italy is sliding toward an illiberal system—yet this argument frankly doesn't hold water because separating careers Strengthening the separation between the judge and the prosecutor reinforces the rule of law Not by chance it is the prevailing system across Europe Either all European countries are illiberal or Italy is the one that has fallen behind Just as it's said about the high disciplinary court that we want to punish magistrates but it happens to anyone who holds responsibility And when it makes a mistake it is judged by an independent third party I believe the reform is more than justified She fears low voter turnout Why should Italians go to the polls Because the issue affects everyone every day regardless of whether they personally have problems with the justice system because judges decide on countless matters—immigration security healthcare citizens' freedoms employment Justice is one of the three fundamental powers for governing the state and if it fails it inevitably undermines them all