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Hello, welcome back to Talkin' Giants, brought to you by SeatGeek. Today is October 29, 2025, and I have a solo midweek episode for you. Gonna try and do this a little bit different, because I know I've done some solo stuff in the past, despite, I think, it being really damn good. You know, I was even going back to, like, week three and talking about how the Giants' first down defense was actually somewhat decent. The numbers were decent, but their second and third down defense was awful. I was talking about that stuff, even going back to September. but I understand like when there's a solo up that's 50 minutes and either I'm not bringing on a beat reporter I'm not interviewing a player or another Giants content creator just to have someone just to you know toss you know toss some you know toss some stuff off of I understand that a solo pod could for 50 minutes can be a rough listen so I'm going to try and make this shorter number one and number two I'm going to try and make it very topic based there's going to be four topics today first topic that we're going to talk about is I'm going to actually give like thoughts on Brian Dable and Joe Shane and what I want their futures to be and kind of how I want them to be fired. I've been avoiding that since there's still a lot of football left to be played and I don't want to have the same damn conversation over and over again, but I figured let's give updated thoughts and how thoughts have basically changed since January of 2025, the last time that we all wanted them fired. So we'll go really knee deep in that. That'll take up most of the episode. Topic number two, the trade deadline is this Tuesday at 4 p.m. or next week. so what should the Giants do who will be available what's the wish list and then even who should the Giants themselves be possibly looking to trade out themselves topic number three is going to be Jackson Dart we'll give some updated numbers of him on the season his third down numbers his first half numbers how they're really good and then even philosophically how the Giants versus the Eagles I didn't necessarily like how they attack the Eagles especially knowing what the new reality is for the Giants offense I didn't really like how they attack them and I think there needs to be easier answers and put it uh for Jackson Dart and then the topic uh the fourth topic is kind of a new a new segment that i'm calling ---- hit ---- list and hit list and we're going to talk about two players one player that the fan base is not currently liking and then one player that the fan base currently does like and we're going to watch their games in depth or we're just going to have in-depth conversations on those players based on storylines that are around them that week ---- list and hit list topic number four but let's start off with number one and I may bash my head against the wall if this is something that we just have to talk about every week because here we go because people are mad and people are angry but let me start off with this first speaking of people getting mad and speaking of people being angry start off with this first and this will be a a warm-up to Joe Shane and Brian Daywell this really sucks what's going on with the Giants right now. Obviously, no should Sherlock, right? But this is not my first rodeo when it comes to knowing when people are going to start to tune out to the Giants, right? Half of the reason why people were watching the 2025 Giants is gone now. And if you really want to extend it out to the last five weeks, we have now lost two-thirds of the reasons why people were watching the 2025 New York Giants. And the challenge for Jackson Dart was already a difficult one without Malik Nabors. And now it gets even more difficult without Cam Scadaboo. I mean, the offense, man, just felt easy with Jackson Dart. And that's what we've been dying for, like offense to just feel easy and not feel so difficult. But we are trending in a direction where offense, it seems like it may just get pretty difficult again. And four years into this Brian Dable and Joe Shane thing, the Giants wind up losing Malik Neighbors, who was the sixth overall pick, a high-end first-round draft pick of last year's draft, and a fourth-round rookie running back, and it feels like the sky is falling. There should be an infrastructure. There should be an infrastructure built through four years of roster building that should make us feel like the sky isn't falling. and I think that just points to where the roster has like what the roster is and I think that just points to the roster that has been built here it sucks that those players got hurt and we'll see what everything looks like this Sunday and then we'll see what everything looks like even beyond then maybe it won't even be that bad but I'm expecting to be bottom half and maybe even bottom quarter in offense again that's kind of just like what I'm expecting maybe bottom quarter is a little too harsh. But as the Giants have been an above average offense since Jackson Dart has taken over, I'm expecting that to go kind of down to the bottom half again, right? Let's talk about Joe Shane and Brian D'Abel, since I kind of ended that off with the infrastructure that's here. If the season ends today, yes, 100%, I would want Brian D'Abel and Joe Shane fired. And the biggest reason why I think they remained here in the first place, The change that they sold us on was the change at quarterback. That's why they were both retained. But for me, my frustrations with them has never, never, never been the quarterback position. And I want to slam my fist on this wooden table over and over and over again and restate that. Because everybody talks about quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. They didn't lose enough to get Drake May. They didn't lose enough to get Jaden Daniels. They didn't take McCarthy. They didn't take Penix. They didn't blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They re-signed Daniel Jones for all that money. I get the frustration. But so much of why I wanted them gone had nothing to do with the quarterback position. It's been everything around the quarterback. So yes, right now, Jackson Dart is playing well. He's playing really well. Yet we're eight weeks into the season, and it's over. It's over. You're two and six. It's over again. I don't care. I don't care about promise. I don't care how close they are to winning these games because even with Jackson Dart playing well, I have seen the same types of losses that they've had over the last two years. The same types of losses where the defense allows a game-winning drive. They cannot stop the run. And since 2023, they have lost at least four games over the last three years. At least four games because they don't have a damn kicker, just on the top of my head. They can't get out of their own way. So you could talk about promise. You could talk about how Dart looks good. That doesn't matter to me because this year, this year in my brain, you can go back and pull the damn receipts of this show. I'm pretty proud of this, and sometimes I won't always encourage you to go back and listen to my dumbass takes, but so much of this year was not just about Jackson Dart for me personally, but it was also about can this roster prove that they are in a better spot after four years of Joe Schoen and Brian Dable are they in a better spot but let's forget about Joe Schoen for one second because I still think still think to this day that Brian Dable has done a better job with what he has been given than Joe Shane which that may not be saying all that much however let's start here Brian Dable fired Shane Bowen last year I really don't think any of us would have sat there and cried about it besides some beat reporters that care about optics right would we as fans kind of laugh at it uh yep would we as fans think it's ironic that Dable the play caller for an offense over the last two years just got rid of another defensive coordinator yeah all of that would have absolutely been true but the giants and likely even Brian Dable chose to go into this pivotal pivotal 2025 season with Shane Bowen as their defensive coordinator despite an immense amount and an immense amount of talent on that side of the ball and us knowing in that knowing we know that people in that building did not believe in Shane Bowen they hated they wanted Bowen gone we thought that after Mara spoke on that field for that presser we all looked at each other and we're like Shane Bowen's gonna get fired and then he didn't people in the building hated the job that he did. Carl Banks, who, you know, we'll talk about what Carl Banks had to say about Dex later in the show. Carl Banks ripped Bowen to shreds every single week. And typically those are little signs. Those are little clues on if you got people in the building that are ripping people apart, it typically means it's coming for, it's coming with the reason that the guy's going to be gone. Schematically, Shane Bowen didn't do anything that makes you go, wow. Oh, wow. He really gives the Giants a major leg up. That was true last year. And I think that's still true this year and please please stop with the oh nobody would want to come here nonsense stop it's an NFL job on a big stage somebody even if you don't get your first choice because certainly Shane Bowen wasn't their first choice somebody would have taken it and if you didn't believe in the guy that you had in the building then you should have fired him should have fired him and I wholeheartedly believe I wholeheartedly believe that this season is completely different completely different even if the defense is average there are still players on that front that I think are playing out of their minds even the emergence of Cordell Flott is is such a surprising it's it's it's a surprising development but this defense is nowhere near average it's horrible and I think a lot of that has to do with Shane Bowen but this is where we can now get to Joe Shane right we're four years into this and this team has no depth no depth and when you break down the quote-unquote depth players that the Giants need most right now, they're some of Joe Shane's, ironically enough, some of his biggest moves as GM. Paulson Adebo goes down, in goes Deontay Banks, and he's unplayable to the point where you'd rather see Art Green out there. The Giants defense actually looked like a decent unit when they fully benched Deontay Banks against Philly. They looked really good through the first three quarters of the Denver game. And whether it be causation or correlation, Deontay Banks goes in that fourth quarter and they allow over 30 ******* points because of course. So Paulson Adebo goes down and a former first round pick is a depth piece, is a depth piece and he's unplayable. Malik Neighbors goes down and one would hope that a former third round pick would help step in and a guy that you traded up for in the 2023 NFL draft up until the third round. And now the conversation has shifted from can Jalen Hyatt do anything to now we're talking about, oh, when is Jalen Hyatt going to be cut because he got to make room for little Jordan Humphrey, who's run out of practice squad elevations. So that's where the conversation has shifted. Traded up a lot. They traded up for De'Ante Banks, one spot, because Joe Shane had to have him. Traded up to get Jalen Hyatt. And two guys that go down for you, you know, good job. You draft them, Malik Nabers. Good job. He's a good player. Paulson Adebo has been fine as a cornerback. One, he gets flagged and maybe allows some catches, but he's decent out there, right? All right, so good job addressing that. But the depth pieces that you have, guys, you're going to get hurt every year. the depth pieces that you have. We're talking about two top 100 picks, a former first round pick and a third round pick that are unplayable. And one of them is about to get cut. At least he should be cut. There's just no point of holding onto him. Why are you holding onto him? Javon Holland goes down and Tyler Nubin is just awful. And it is shocking. It is shocking how awful and unconfident he's playing. From my guy Walt, WBJ84 on Twitter, I couldn't believe this stat. Tyler Nubin is the only DB since 1999 to record zero interceptions and two or fewer pass breakups combined through his first 21 starts per stat head. I'm going to read that again. Tyler Nubin is the only defensive back since 1999 to record zero interceptions and two or fewer pass breakups combined through his first 21 starts. This is a guy that had 12 interceptions, nine passes defended through his last three years at Minnesota, the guy that went to the same school as Antoine Winfield and was drawing comparisons to him, the guy that looked up to Antoine Winfield, who was just a playmaker in the NFL, and now he couldn't even buy a good play even if he wanted to. Forget the run defense. Forget him being a little slower. I understand that's a talking point this week about how slow Tyler Nubin is, but you want to know what we've learned through covering the last couple draft cycles that all safeties are basically slow. All of them are slow. And even the best ones that are taken in the NFL draft, even if they're knocked for their speed, like Xavier McKinney's not fast. He's one of the league's best safeties. So if they were fast, if they had the long speed, they'd probably be corners. That's my talking point in theory. But what Tyler Nubin was, was, was instinctual. he was you know he he played fast his brain processed fast so then he that's how he was able to play fast even if his long speed wasn't there and we are like we're seeing a player that has gotten worse from his rookie year somehow especially as a run defender as a pass defender I don't know like the dude never made a play on the football to begin with so I'm not going to sit here and break and tell you I can break down safety film when the guy's not even involved when he's not even on the screen but as a run defender you know at least last year he was just confident stepping up and making plays. Like last week, our feet are in cement and we're allowing Saquon Barkley just to run right by you. And you're taking horrible angles. He just didn't move. I can't believe how unconfident he is. When he came out of Minnesota, that's what he was. This guy's confident. This guy is going to prepare more than anybody else. 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Shopify is the perfect partner for any business roster, so make sure that they're on yours today all right so now let's talk about this run defense and again all within talking about the roster that Joe Shane has built the depth that it's built because guys are going to get hurt guys are going to get injured so who are you turning to right let's talk about this run defense the Giants are last in the league in EPA per rush allowed they allow 5.7 yards per carry that's the worst in the league they have allowed the third most rush yards and have the second worst success rate against the run this year the Giants run defense has been this bad for the last three years. Last three years. So what did Joe Shane really do to address this offseason? Roy Robertson-Harris, Jeremiah Ledbetter, and Darius Alexander. And in my opinion, Jeremiah Ledbetter was the best run defender that they signed, and he didn't even make the team. Because you want to know what? He was awful during camp. He was awful during camp. He was awful during the preseason. He didn't deserve to make the team. But you want to know what? Film-wise and metric-wise, Jeremiah Ledbetter was the best run defender that they brought in this offseason. Micah McFadden and Darius Moiseau, two day three picks at interior linebacker and then Bobby Okereke is how you invested into the linebacker position. And rolling with the same linebacker crew as last year, despite having internal questions about Bobby Okereke's overall play and effort, is not good and sound decisions. This is horrible. Self-scouting and self-evaluation on what you need to get better at. And while I don't think the interior defensive linemen are an advantage right now when it comes to the run game. I also don't think they're awful. And I actually have numbers to back that up when we get to our final segment. Nacho and Roy Robertson-Harris, I think they make a play from time to time. I mean, even DJ Davidson looked decent for what you're expecting DJ Davidson to do against the Philadelphia Eagles. But I do think these linebackers are awful. I do think they're awful. If they had some sort of fear with Bobby Okereke, which I know they did, I know they did, Go back to the Art Stapleton episode from OTAs, from the spring. And he's talking about whether the concerns that Art Stapleton brought up on that episode, whether they went away during training camp, whether they subsided, there was some kind of fear in that building. I know this because he told us. And Art Stapleton is not the type of guy to go out of his way to critique. He is, and I think he'll tell you this. he is mostly an optimist so when Art compared the Bobby Okereke situation to the Blake Martinez situation during the spring i'm like what is festering here and what are they thinking what are they thinking in their heads about Bobby Okereke and also why wasn't interior linebacker addressed at all this offseason if you have these internal concerns that interior linebacker isn't that good save me save me and Ryan Dunleavy came on this show and again these i'm not i'm not criticizing the reporters. I'm criticizing the things that they're hearing because I believe them. Ryan Dunleavy came on this show in August and said, the Giants really, they really like what they got in Darius Moiseau. Give me a break. Give me a break. They're bad. They're bad. And Mike, they were bad with Micah McFadden too, by the way. Oh, the Micah McFadden injury hurts. Yeah, it hurts, but they were bad with him too. They were a bottom three run defense with them too. Instead, instead, the Giants chose to go all in on the safety position, both financially and with draft capital and those safeties haven't provided an advantage at all so i bring up the safeties when talking about the run defense because the self-evaluation and the self-scouting of what we need to get better is awful is awful they chose to invest in safeties if you're going to invest in somewhere they chose to invest in bringing in safeties and those safeties don't provide an advantage at all whether that's because the players aren't good or Shane Bowen's not putting them in a spot to be successful. And I honestly think it's both. I honestly think it's both. And they have chose Roy Robertson-Harris and Darius Alexander, who interior defensive linemen take time to develop and grow anyway. Those were the two major investments, put major in quotes, of trying to improve the run defense. That's it. So I just went on for how long? 20 minutes in, and I said this was going to be short. I lied. I just went on for how long? Talking about the big picture mistakes the head coach and GM have made. And I'm sorry, Jackson Dart performing well right now is not enough for me to ignore years of awful decisions and ignorance that still continue to haunt us right now. So there's that. All right, let's move on to topic number two. The trade deadline is next Tuesday at 4 p.m. They just announced, Saints did today on Tuesday, that Tyler Shuck is starting for them. So I'm not sure the Saints are going to trade Chris Olave. I even would like Rashid Shahid. uh i would like Rashid Shaheed dude he's a he is a big play guy like that would change dramatically my overall perception of like do i want the giants air yards to still be up which right now like spoiler alert when we get to the third topic and we talk about Jackson Dart like he's his air yards like he's he's airing it out um and i kind of don't want them to do that right now i kind of want them to cut down on that but if they get a guy like Rashid Shaheed in the building i would really change it. No, keep throwing it down the field because the guy's fast and he'll go and get it. But I don't think Olave is going to happen. And even Mickey Loomis doesn't typically trade anyway. He likes to trade up in the draft. He doesn't do trade deadline trades, even though they should trade Brandon Cooks so he becomes the most traded player in NFL history. Brandon Cooks has been traded four times in his NFL career, and he's never been traded at the trade deadline. Everything's been in the offseason. Jalen Waddle would be sick. That would totally change the ceiling and the floor of the offense both in the present and especially in the future but uh if the Dolphins would take a third round pick and then a day three pick I would do it like hell yeah Jalen Waddle's awesome but they probably won't accept that trade and the Giants already do not have a third next year since uh that was part of the Jackson Dart trade so uh Jalen Waddle probably not even being dealt uh Jacoby Myers from the Raiders I still think would be would be in play he's a bigger physical presence that I think especially is going to help in the intermediate part of the field that as somebody that I think I would do. I'm not giving up a third for Jacoby Myers. I mean, again, I think you can get trades for guys with a fifth, with a sixth. Giants have three six-round picks in this year's draft, like wide receiver trades. I think even trades in general at the NFL, it's not like other sports. It's not just a plug-and-play sport. So now you're talking about like Calvin Ridley from the Titans, Christian Kirk, Braxton Berrios, Xavier Hutchinson, all three from the Texans. I would probably lean a little bit more to Christian Kirk. I mean, Braxton Berrios doesn't really do anything for me. I just put him because he's a name. Rashod Bateman or Devontae Walker from the Ravens. Would the Ravens want to deal any of them? Devontae Walker does give me Jalen Hyatt vibes, though. And that's even just going off of a pre-draft evaluation standpoint. And he honestly hasn't even done that much as a NFL player to begin with. I mean, we're talking day three picks here. I think the Giants should look to get to... If I'm the Giants, I would want them to get something done for somebody that could help them at wide receiver. Maybe even, like I said, a pick swap. They have three six-round picks. We'll see. If anything happens wide receiver-wise, I'm thinking one of these names, the type of names If it isn't Jacoby Myers, it's the Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, Rashad Bateman type of players. so now in terms of the Giants that I think could be traded at the deadline I am all for Chauncey Golston dude that's such a shame that you know I thought that you know Golston was going to come in here and even if he wasn't going to play a lot and I know he's hurt right now even if he wasn't going to play a lot thought that he was going to have an impact and you know I think he's made a couple plays against the run here and there this year but it just hasn't hasn't provided the stability that I thought that that I thought that he would so it's a shame I mean you also need to put like Kayvon Thibodeau, Brian Burns, and Abdul Carter all playing really well, and the Giants have actually done a good job of having all three on the field at one time, where all three of those guys are like top 15 in total pass rush snaps in the NFL, it also is a problem that the Giants are on the field a ---- ton, so that's why it's like you look at the most pass rush snaps in the NFL, Brian Burns, Abdul Carter, and Kayvon Thibodeau, they're all up there, well it's also because the Giants defense never comes off the field, so I don't know, Chauncey Golson has been kind of disappointing, been very disappointing. So if an NFL team is going to call and they want to give a sixth or a seventh round pick for him, I would say just do it. You have three edge rushers here. Just do it. They're all going to be on the field. I'm okay with that. Evan Neal, Deontay Banks, Jalen Hyatt. If anybody wants anything for them, give it to them. That's that. I'm going up and down. If anybody would want anything for Bobby Okereke, I think I would do it too. I am not viewing Bobby Okereke in the same prism that he is the super ultra valuable player. I'm not. I am not. If anybody wants Bobby Okereke for a fifth, I would go and do it, even though I don't think they would do that because it would somehow get even worse without him. So if Micah McFadden was healthy, I would trade. I would 100% trade Bobby Okereke, but he's not. Trying to think anybody else on the top of my head. I don't think so. You need everybody on offense. You're not dealing any offensive lineman outside of Evan Neal if somebody wants to take a flyer on a former first-round pick same thing with Deontay Banks nobody else really has value um or you know some of the some of the guys you would even want to keep too so and no to Kayvon Thibodeau no no to Kayvon Thibodeau no to Kayvon Thibodeau if I had to guess what happened like Jordan Schultz comes out with that report about like uh you know we'll see is Kayvon Thibodeau going to be traded I think that was maybe even an agent thing or even like other teams telling Jordan Schultz, hey, put this report out that Kayvon Thibodeau is a name to watch for the trade deadline. I do not think that came from the Giants because I think the Giants value Kayvon Thibodeau because when you, especially that 2022 draft class where you had two first round picks and that's the one guy that was really successful for you and is like really good. 2022 first round pick, Evan Neal bust, Kayvon Thibodeau good. 2023 first round pick, Deontay Banks, bust. So I mean, if I'm Joe Shane, I'm not keeping the only first round pick that I had that was pretty successful through my first two years here. So team control too. I think the team control thing is very valuable, where even if we get to next year and Kayvon Thibodeau should be traded, I think even him playing on that fifth year option for half a season would be valuable to another team. I think he's too valuable right now. He's playing too much and he's playing well. So no to Kayvon Thibodeau, 100%. i think that was other team driven externally driven by Jordan Schultz and then i think Garofolo and Ian Rappaport who i you know we've seen i think are pretty pretty friendly with Joe Shane they put out the clarifying report of uh the giants don't want to move on from Kayvon Thibodeau he's probably not going anywhere so yeah no to Kayvon Thibodeau all right topic number three i gotta take a drink of water all right before we get back to the show i gotta talk to you about tushy because you have to ask me a question and this is a shame that you can't see this shirt if you're on the podcast app uh but if you're on the youtube crowd you can see it and it says ask me about my butthole so we'll do it ask me about my butthole because with Tushy they're hooking me up with the best bidet in the game because using a Tushy bidet means you'll leave the bathroom cleaner than when you walked in so let's get into it Tushy is the everyday luxury bidet that instantly transforms your bathroom habits and bottom health for life. 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Even if nothing is available and nothing is open down the field, which I think that is going to continue Jackson Dart, holding onto the ball and looking down the field and finding, Oh ----, nobody's open. I think that's going to continue. That was a burp. That was gross. It was gross. Hopefully you didn't hear that. Um, I hope it's going to continue. So what Jackson Dart needs to do is he needs to learn to live another down throw the ball away throw the ball away i am so i like the cherry on top of this year would be Jackson Dart getting hurt like i would be i would be lying to you if that hasn't crept into my mind and if that isn't a fear and that's not even the what are you doing you're gonna jinx it or whatever i i don't i don't give a damn what you think about me saying it but it is a fear of mine. So philosophically, he had an average depth of target that was over 10 yards. That's in the 85th percentile against the Eagles. While holding onto the ball for almost four seconds time to throw, that is not a recipe for success. That is not. There needs to be quick and easy answers for Jackson Dart. And that is unfortunately where I feel the offense needs to kind of trend. And that's the direction I feel like it kind of needs to go to. Quick and easy answers. I still think, targeting the tight ends down the field that's kind of a you're going to catch the defense sleeping type of play with Daniel Bellinger you're not expecting Daniel Bellinger to catch the ball deep down the field i still think that should be in there because honestly that's been the the biggest source of explosive plays for us is honestly it's been more the tight ends it's not even the receivers anymore but you just can't you just can't expect these receivers just to get separation and these deep concepts that take time to develop i think the offensive line will give you time, but there needs to be quick and easy answers for Jackson Dart, or else you will see him taking more sacks. He took his first really bad sack. There was an eight-yard loss that he took to start the second half against the Eagles. There's 1454 in the third quarter, I think the exact timestamp is. And they're basically running four wide, but probably the two tight ends are out there, but there's nobody in the backfield. And he initially looks to his left. He initially looks to his left like he's looking for Darius Slayton who's running a go who doesn't separate but then he comes back to his right side and Wan'Dale's running a quick slant it's like a three-step slant and then go and he's uncovered but the progression clearly doesn't like he's not his eyes aren't there so by the time that his eyes get back to that part of the field the slot corner and then also you know I think it was Reed Blankenship who actually came from across as a safety down to cover Wanda Robinson. By the time that Dart was able to get his eyes back to the middle of the field, WanDell was covered. Like it had to be a ball where Dart released it right away. So I don't know what the progressions were on that specific play. And this is where he took an eight yard sack. Like I think it was the worst sack that he took in his career where he's holding onto the ball, holding onto the ball, doesn't get rid of it, doesn't throw the ball. And then he takes an eight yard sack and that's a first and 10. And that's basically a drive ender, right? basically the drive is over so there needs to be quick and easy answers for Dart so if anything I would go back and I would revise that play to start the second half revise and be like hey if you have WanDell Robinson running that little slant and nobody is covering him and cornerbacks are giving cushion that should be your first read because then that's an easy play on first down that could give you you know six seven eight nine yards when WanDell gets after the catch right so His first look was Darius Slayton running a go ball on the sideline. I don't know, man. Darius Slayton running deep, you would think that should be a thing that's working, but it's not working. It's not working. The only route that's working for Darius Slayton so far this year, especially with Jackson Dart, even he was the cardio king with Russell Wilson. So the only route that's working for Darius Slayton so far this year is when he runs that little middle of the field closer to the hashes button hook. kind of runs a kind of he'll run to the hashes he'll turn around and then Dart will hit him and then it's a yak play that's it the only play that's really worked for Darius Slayton this year so and he should be a guy that should win at all three parts of the field he kind of hasn't kind of hasn't which is a shame uh so that leads me to say there needs to be quick and easy answers for Jackson Dart that kind of leads me to say when looking at the wide receiver depth chart Right now, it's Wan'Dale, Slayton, Lil Jordan Humphrey, Bo Collins, Gunner, and Jalen Hyatt. I think Ray-Ray McLeod should be activated off the practice squad. Little Jordan Humphrey needs to be signed to the active roster, number one. So that would mean I think Jalen Hyatt needs to be cut to make room for that. And then Ray-Ray McCloud will have three elevations. He will have multiple elevations from the practice squad. And those are the six wide receivers I think you should roll with. Wan'Dale, Slayton, Lil Jordan Humphrey, Bo Collins, special teams guy, half the team, half the special team snaps. Gunnar Olszewski, return man, and Ray-Ray McCloud. And Ray-Ray McCloud can be this mix between slot and outside. And I think when I say there needs to be quick and easy answers for Jackson Dart, that's where Ray-Ray McCloud comes in. Yards after the catch, I mean, I think you can even put him in the backfield. He can kind of be like just a little bit of a beefier Wan'Dale Robinson for you. If anything, I think he may be a little bit better after the catch than Wan'Dale in terms of making people miss because he's just a little bit bigger. Not much bigger, I don't think. So that's what I would do. Jalen Hyatt needs to be cut. Lil' Jordan Humphrey needs to be signed to the active roster. Ray-Ray McCloud needs to be active on game days and he needs to be part of this plan because what are you going to throw a quick pass to Lil' Jordan Humphrey? When they threw a screen to Theo Johnson to start the Eagle game this past week, it's like, what? We can't be throwing screens to tight ends. I don't know. especially when you have receivers that are fast like you're supposed to and that was a screen that they threw out wide like I would rather have Theo Johnson as a blocker than as a receiver on a screen and Ray Ray can provide that I think just easy answers quick and easy answers because you cannot have Jackson holding onto the ball and taking sacks but here are some updated stats on Jackson Dart I think the sample size is now big enough for Jackson Dart that he's played five weeks that uh when I when I give these numbers I'm talking about weeks one through eight and quarterbacks one through eight, weeks one through eight, excuse me. So on the season, he's 12th in EPA per play. He's 14th in success rate. And this is quarters one through four and downs one through four. 12th in EPA per play, 14th in success rate. Pretty good. Pretty decent. Slightly above average. He's fourth in average air yards per attempt, which is kind of a little surprising because he hasn't really completed a lot of those deep balls, right? So that's why between not having the personnel and not wanting Jackson Dart to hold onto the ball a ton, I would try and maybe cut that down a little bit. However, I still do want to keep the deep tight end concepts that you have. Throwing the ball to the tight ends down the field or giving little Jordan Humphrey more contested catch opportunities too. Because I feel like that really hasn't happened since the Eagle game. Third down. This is where it gets exciting. Third down among quarterbacks with a minimum of 40 third down plays. Jackson Dart is second in EPA per play and third in success rate. Freaking awesome. In the first half, among QBs with the minimum of 65 plays in the first half. Jackson Dart, second in EPA per play and first in success rate. Freaking awesome. Getting off the fast starts and money on third down. That's what Jackson Dart has been, and he is very, very exciting. I'm excited about that. I'm also scared for what is going to happen this Sunday against Robert Sala, who's a very good defense coordinator, who is going to have answers for the giant shitty personnel. But maybe Jackson Dart won't be shitty. All right, the final topic that I want to talk about, and we'll be quick about this, but before I get to that topic, I want to talk to you about DraftKings. This episode is sponsored by our partners over at DraftKings. Stay in on the action. Use your bonus bets on DraftKings. Same game parlays for a shot and even bigger payout. Love the thrill of live betting. DraftKings has got you covered. Bet live on star player props and in-progress games right as they happen. New customers bet five bucks and get three months of league pass and get $300 if your bet wins. Paid in bonus bets. So download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and use code JAMFOOTBALL. That's code JAMFOOTBALL to get $300 in bonus bets instantly. if your first $5 bet hits. Plus three months of NBA League Pass and partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours. All right, so I'm calling this segment the ---- list and the hit list. So who is on everybody's ---- list as a fan base? I would say the player that I chose for this week is John Michael Schmitz. Coming back from injury, how did he play against Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis? And I thought he played well. I'm not going to go and say really well, uh but i thought he played well uh the biggest thing for JMS is man he is still he's still reaching but he's moving well um he does a good job of extending his extending his arms and getting guys out in front of him having control but he's still like he has his arms extended but he's still reaching in that effort where he will get beat laterally now this is also jalen carter that was beating oh lights went off this is also jalen carter that's beating john Michael Schmitz laterally he really had one disaster play that I think resulted in resulted in like a negative result for for the Giants where Jalen Carter worked across his face after the snap and beats him with lateral movement so I think I still think guys are going to do that he was late on a couple stunts and twists but nothing that like resulted in something catastrophic um like I said I think he does a good job extending and controlling just leans while doing it thought he held up well solo in the run game versus Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis uh Doesn't get a ton of movement, like I would kind of want him to. This is where Cam Scadaboo really helped with yards after contact, right? Where there would be some plays where John Michael Schmitz, maybe not getting a lot of movement in the run game when he's facing guys 1v1, but you can have Cam Scadaboo going in there like a freight train, and then you get three yards after contact, and a two-yard gain becomes a five-yard gain because you get three yards after contact, right? I do not think Tyrone Tracy is going to provide that same level of physicality and boom right so you're gonna have to get guys off the ball push them off the ball particularly against Jordan Davis I thought he I thought he did a solid job with Jordan Davis you know that's that's his main forte of being a run defender so uh John Michael Schmitz uh I'm not sitting here saying like I'm just sold on this guy's the long-term center but I haven't been displeased with what I've seen this year and especially against Philly certainly no disaster plays um and he's done a good job trying to keep Jackson Dart upright himself now Dexter Lawrence the hit list a player that hey everybody likes right but man did um did Carl Banks come out of left field this week with uh with some words about him uh quote Dexter Lawrence nobody respects you anymore nobody your opponents do not respect you and then he went on for you know however long that clip was on on his show and Dexter Lawrence nobody respects you anymore nobody you want to know why I know that's not true and i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you why i know that's not true for a fact 100 dexter lawrence has been double teamed on a league high 61.2% of his past rushes this season dexter lawrence is the most double teamed player in the nfl how dexter lawrence is playing is one conversation to be had and i think hey it's a it's a it's a good conversation to have, Dexter Lawrence is not playing at an elite level this year. But out of all the things that are happening in this organization right now, to go after Dexter Lawrence, I think a leader of this team, for somebody of Banks' standing, to go after Dexter Lawrence out of everything that's going on in this building, I think it's insulting. If I'm Dexter Lawrence, I'm insulted by this. I'm disgusted by this. The dude has played hurt. The dude is still probably playing hurt I think, again, it's fair to say Dexter Lawrence is not playing at an elite level, and that is disappointing. But to say nobody respects you to the most double-teamed man in the National Football League, the most double-teamed guy, I think it's just wrong. I think it's just wrong. Also, the Eagles had 33 rush attempts this past Sunday. 17 of them went outside the tackles. By the way, 33 rush attempts, and I know this for a fact, the Eagles had 30 rush attempts go to running backs because three of them were by quarterbacks. So what's quick? Let's do 17 divided by 30. 17 divided by 30 is 56% of the Eagles' runs. So 56% of the Eagles' runs went outside the tackles last week. 49% of all rush attempts the Giants have faced so far this year have gone outside the tackles. Half of their carries have gone outside the tackles. You want to know the splits between the Giants inside the tackles, rushing performance, and yards per play versus outside the tackles? The Giants are 16th in the league in yards per carry when teams run to the inside, when inside the tackles. It's about four yards per carry. So they're league average when teams run inside the tackles. But when teams run outside the tackles, they average 7.9 yards per carry. that is a whole yard and a half more than the second worst Chicago Bears, 7.9 yards per carry when teams run outside the tackles against the Giants this year. I'm sorry. Dexter Lawrence ain't responsible when a play goes in a completely different direction from him and half of the Giants rushing attempts this year are going away from him. I think that's an opponent respecting you. I think an opponent, every opponent double teaming you 61% of the time, every single team double teaming you. I think that's an opponent respecting you. So again, forget the fact that, all right, yeah, Dexter Lawrence is not playing like a defensive player of the year candidate like he was last year. And I agree with that. But to say nobody respects you, I think that is an asinine thing to say. An asinine thing to say to a guy that I think has played his ass off, who has every right to be the type of guy that says, get me out of here. Get me off this team. I don't want to be on this team. Also has every right to be like, I'm not paid enough. Trade me. Trade me to a better team that is competitive and trade me to a team that's going to pay me more money. Guys have done it before. What's stopping him? So nobody respects you anymore. Your opponents do not respect you. When teams are running, or 50% of the Giants rush attempts, that are going away from him because the rest of Joe Schoen's roster is ---- because nobody knows how to defend the run because you have linebackers that can't flow sideline to sideline and you have cornerbacks like Deontay Banks who willingly choose to not be a participant in the run game. Dexter Lawrence is the last guy on this roster that should be attacked. Nobody respects you. Now I'm ending this mad. I'm ending this mad. Like that really, that really, it made me mad and also made me sad. Like, I don't want to say more. All right, I will see you on Friday. I said this was gonna be shorter and I guess I lied because I yap and that's what I do about this football team and I hope you enjoyed it let me know what you think if I'm gonna do solo eps in the middle of the week let me know what you would want me to do let me know what you thought of it and I'll see you next week for whatever we do and also see you on Friday for a game preview with Sean Marash let's go Giants it starts today it's time to die