Any Conversation That Offends ANYONE Will Be Criminal Harassment In UK?

James Kaufman will news report today, January 16th, 2025. God bless you and yours, no matter where you are in the world. Please subscribe, give us a thumbs up, bring that bell for critical future updates. Far left UK government proposes banning controversial conversations. The leftist Labour government in Britain has proposed radical reforms to the rights of workers. It could include class-inclusive topics of conversation in the workplace, such as religion, women's rights, or transgenderism as harassment. They've gone full Orwellian on their population, and this trend is continuing to spread over the entire Western world. Let's see what they have to say here. At Kosher, wow, you gotta listen to this. It really is, 1984, we're living in it now. In the UK, they're looking into curbing speech in pubs by banning customers from discussing controversial topics. In case the conversation you're talking about offends someone, this is madness. It sounds like madness. Welcome back. Thanks for joining us this morning. I'm delighted to say that we're joined in the studio by Nigel Nelson and Dr. Renée Hundecamp for the first time on Britain's News Group. Well, not the first time, but the first time in a while, which is lovely. Right, can we talk about this free speech in pubs? What's going on here? Well, just madness, I think. Just more of this madness employment bill from Angela Rayner, which really needs to be scratched. Because if we're getting to the point where people are not able to talk about anything they want to talk about in a pub, which is where you talk about anything you want to talk about. Yeah, yeah. It's over. Pubs are over. You know, free speech is over. This whole bill is a disaster for employers and needs to be scrapped. And because the Continuum of Rights Commission is saying that the way this bill could be interpreted, if you start giving your view on the transgender issue for instance, someone could say, that's out of order. Yeah. Conversation over. Your words offend me. Exactly. In my workplace and therefore... And the public of them may be required to... End of conversation. Oh, I hate it. Or throw them out the pub. I mean, it really is 1984. We are living it now, isn't it? It's news speak. This is what you're allowed to say. Nothing else. Yeah. I think that when it comes to the pubs bit, Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Common sense would probably prevail, and I think it would be very unlikely there would be any action taken on her part. It could happen, but I think it's unlikely. But the fact it could makes it wrong. The intention of this is to stop harassment in the workplace, so that's the idea. What seems to have happened, according to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, is that's now being literally interpreted by employers. Which means in the workplace you couldn't discuss, you just mentioned transgender issues, that would be a good example, but couldn't discuss basically contentious issues in case someone overhears you. So what started as being able to protect employees either from being intimidated by other employees or by customers or clients or something like that. Has gone one stage too far because of the wording. Yeah. Can I just give you the actual wording? I think it might be useful. So it's the quote is unwanted conduct that has the purpose or effect of violating the recipient's dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. That's the point. Yes. So effectively, that's stopping harassment. Of course not. So the intent is stopping your feelings being hurt. Well, it goes a bit further than that. Hostility could be more than just feelings hurt. Intimidation would be bullying and creating any environment which is uncomfortable for another worker to operate in. We have these laws. We have law upon law upon law in the workplace to stop this. We seem to be holding on to the tail of the dog and hoping the dog won't move when really we should just go back to school. And teach our kids to just be polite and respectful to people, rather than bringing in yet another law that can be misinterpreted to stifle free speech. Well, up to a point, that's where I agree with you. Because clearly the language that's being used in this particular piece of legislation... It's either being misinterpreted, over-interpreted, or taken too literally. Or is it the way it's been drafted? Well, yeah, I mean, the same... Is it the way they're drafted? Yeah. They're drafted too broadly. Yeah. Well, or too narrowly. Or either or. Yeah. I mean, it's obviously the way it's been drafted because when an employer is actually saying, oh, you can't talk about transgender issues over the water killer, that's obviously got to be... Why couldn't you talk about transgender issues over the water killer? You should be able to. You can't be causing someone to be offended. And that is always the burden is on the victim. Your conversation offends me. Why do we need this? And it's because it's a subjective judgment. Totally. I think you need various laws in place to stop people being bullied in the workplace. We have those. We have the anti-bullying laws. Well, we've got those, but these are more specific on the front about the intimidation. Why intimidation is bullying? Costility. All these things are things that should not happen. What's going wrong is that the wording as such means that... Well, your kind of philosophical belief, which is not really... Did Keir Starmer not say that down in St. Lecton, we will take a light touch to your lives? He did. But that's why the language needs to be clarified. You would agree, Renée, wouldn't you, that in a workplace we shouldn't be, and I've just quoted it, you don't want unwanted hostile intimidation. You don't want that. We have those rules in the workplace. We have employment. And tribunals for people that feel like this. We have anti-bullying laws. We have it all, Nigel. This is about curtailing any speech, really. People will stop speaking. And for people to stop speaking is exactly what they want. This is absolutely mad. So any conversation that you have that might offend anyone is now going to be deemed illegal in the United Kingdom. Ladies and gentlemen, talk about trouble and subjectivity. You've got a real problem with this law. It looks like the United Kingdom is losing all of its rights, and that's only going to spread to all the other Western countries if it's allowed to stand here in the United Kingdom. Obviously, these people need to speak louder. So that their government understands that they should be able to speak about any topic within reason and reasonably, even if it offends someone. That conversation made illegal and considered illegal harassment. These are scary, scary laws. If anyone's intimidated, you all of a sudden are. Criminally harassing them. Please share, subscribe, and always remember that anything's possible in Bizarro World.