DoctorOz: Supermarket Hot Buffets Exposed: Hidden Food Safety Risks | S10 | Ep 57

Supermarket buffets, always tempting. But before you hit the hot wings, watch our hidden camera investigation. And how these two women fought off carjackers. The split-second decision that saved her life. Saw my window of opportunity closing. Her self-defense move that has shocked all of us. Jumped on top of my car. Now stop for one second, I gotta get this. Coming up next. You gonna save some lives today? Yeah! I love you, Becca. We are heading into the grocery store and cost-friendly hot buffets to uncover the unsanitary, the dangerous, and the downright, ugh, stuff you don't want. But don't worry, we'll help you navigate away from the germs so you can enjoy your meal. Take a look at what Inside Edition caught on hidden camera when they ventured into the buffet. Inside Edition, I can never know if it is here in person. God bless you for being here. Thank you so much. It was a good story, wasn't it? Superb. Made critical points. Yep. We got solutions for them. We do. But first off, who... Would you ever think tongs would be so dangerous? Look at where you're holding it. You're holding it right here, and too often you'll see the tongs laying on the food, which means the germs from your hand have transferred onto the tongs, have now transferred onto the food. One thing you don't think about when you're at the food buffet. This piece created a frenzy, not an eating frenzy, just a frenzy about food. People were freaked. What do people resonate to? I think a lot of us are going to the food buffet because it's affordable. You know, it's $10, all you care to eat. It's convenient. None of us have time. And we're going to do that in just a little bit of time. We've worked it into our lives, and all of a sudden we're going, oh my gosh, there's germs in there that I'm not thinking about. And that's why we do these stories, and that's why you're doing these stories, so we can show people what they need to be mindful of so they can eat and be safe when they do. You've brought up germs a couple times. Let's demonstrate why germs are an issue here. And the most important factor is when you have a big food buffet, the food has to have been out there a little bit just so you can see it and process it as you can see next to me here. So I brought you a little model, and I'm going to tell you a fairy tale story. So, remember Goldilocks and the Three Bears, right? Goldilocks just wanted the porridge at a particular temperature. Goldilocks was like bacteria, right? They don't like it when temperatures are really hot or really cold. And if they're at the right temperature, they'll go crazy. Right. So, what's the right temperature? It turns out it's between 140 and 40 degrees. So, let's just say these are the bacteria growing in foods at the food buffet you're about to walk to. If it's really kept warm and you try to feed those bacteria and want to see what's going on, nothing happens. Okay. Right? If it's less than 40 degrees, it's cold like it's supposed to be, try to turn those bacteria on. They don't react because there's no bacteria. They can't grow less than 40. They can't grow more than 140. But if it's right in the middle, if it's perfect, when you turn those bacteria on in your intestines, they grow beautifully. Imagine scooping this into your mouth, right? It's a problem. It's a big problem. Here's the math. Every 20 minutes, bacteria can reproduce. So you're compounding continually. Within, you know, two hours, you've got a lot of bacteria. Certainly, whatever you're starting with, you don't want to have 16 or 32 or 64 times more of that. And that's how fast they reproduce. So you don't want to have this in your mouth. And that's why time is not your friend when it comes to food germ spreading. Right. And that's one of the things, particularly with Thanksgiving coming around, a lot of people leave things out on the buffet. We go back and back and back. Just keep in mind how long it's been since you served it, and you're going back for your third helping. Yeah, we can put numbers on these things, but you know, once something's been out for two hours, you should be thinking about it. We'll come back to that concept. Okay, you got three red flag areas. Yeah, and I'm going to plant some flags in the places that people need to be concerned of. One of the first things is protein. Protein is moist and warm, and you need to be mindful about this because the heat, if it doesn't stay hot. The bacteria can grow. So just as we said in the piece, think about that song, get low, low, low, low. Go low. If you go low, you're closer to the heating element or you're closer to the chilling part of the buffet line. It's a little uncomfortable having to lift the top one up to get to the one beneath it. It's worth it for your health. Yeah, and people worry about, oh, I'm messing up the pile. Who cares what the pile looks like? Another thing you want to be worried about, and I'm going to put this flag here. Foods in stacks. Foods in stacks. And there's lots of them. So, like, right behind you, you've got all the tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. And the same thing for that as with the bread. People will tend to reach for their hands. And let me just show you a little experiment. So, my hands are here. We've got glitter back here. So, just imagine that this glitter is the germs that you pick up day to day. So I'm thinking about... You can't sterilize your hands. You can't sterilize your hands. You touch your face every minute or so. Right. So I'm thinking, oh, which one of these? Do I want that bread? Do I want this bread? I haven't touched a thing. And maybe I'll pick up the tongs, but I was thinking about it as I'm, and look, and I've even got the tongs in my hand and I'm just wondering, and look at all these germs that are dropping down, potentially, on the bread that I might choose. And I haven't even touched it yet. And if you did touch it and you moved around because things in piles get moved around a little bit, you start to get this kind of action. You only need about 18 bacteria to cause norovirus. That's one of the most common viruses out there. Our family had that last Christmas. It was devastating. Norovirus is usually the one you hear about on the cruise ships. Yes. And the food line is usually the culprit. And within a family, once one person gets it, you're all gonna get it. So look at this. This is a pretty representative example. There's more than 18 little particles there. 21 million people a year in America get norovirus. And it's the most contagious probably virus out there. And that's just one example. You know, thankfully you can survive norovirus, but you're sick for a couple of days. No one likes having that. And if the Oz family, which is probably the cleanest family in America, can get it, it just shows you how easy it is to get this stuff. We sterilize our hands. And everything. You walk through the sterilization chamber when you come home. You walk around the home like this. It's like the movie Silkwood when you pull the thing. So the third flag I want to plant is in the, what are these things? Lemon wedges. And look at this. This is usually how you'll see them. They're in a bucket. They're in a bowl. They're not on ice. They're just sitting there. You're going to grab it. You're going to put it in your water. You're going to put it on your shrimp. And these things, we didn't do a study, but a study was done recently. And they went to, I think, 76 restaurants. They tested the lemon slices. 70% of the lemon slices had bacteria, including our favorite, E. coli. And we know where that comes from. But just do the equation in your head. To really cut lemon slices correctly, you need to have a sterile counter, I mean truly clean, then you have to put them in a cold environment right afterwards. Right. Who does that? Nobody. Right, you get them at the bar, you're slicing it, who knows what was there beforehand. No wonder they can grow and multiply. Using our math from before, within two hours you've got stuff all over this stuff. All right, so we've got some of the red flag items, we've got some rules of thumb. Now I'm going to show you, now that you know what to avoid, what you should be doing. The three best hot and ready foods for you to go for. This is worth it. Stick around. It's our big Thanksgiving show. You're going to love this. Side dish hacks. The secret ingredient that will put your stuffing over the top. Plus, Valerie Bertinelli. Her famous blueberry nectarine crumble. Next Oz. That's coming up tomorrow. We're back with our investigation into supermarket buffets. The one and only Deborah Norville and I have pointed out some of the red flags. Yep. Go watch for her. Applaud for all she does, but she's keeping us healthy today. And now let's talk about the healthy buffet hotspots you should go for. First up, the Omelette Station. Here in the station is one of our med students. Nate, who's also going to culinary school. Dr. Chef, I love it. This is the very show-off-y, by the way. Sorry about that. I like it. So why is the omelet station one of the best places to go to in the buffet? This is the place to go because not only are omelets healthy, of course. We have lean protein, lots of vegetables. But it's a really safe food. You know, you're watching the chef cook it right in front of you. You know exactly how he's handling the ingredients. You know, sometimes we think about salmonella and we think about eggs. As soon as those babies hit the pan, all those bacteria are completely gone. Not to mention it's really fresh. Gosh, right? Right. That hasn't been sitting around for a long time. You're watching it being made right in front of you. This is impressive. Very good. Short line, but worth the effort. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Hopefully they flipped this better than I did. Yeah, that was horrible. Stick to surgery. I haven't graduated yet. Stick to surgery. Yeah, exactly. Stick to surgery. Exactly. All right. So if you've got time, do this. But come on over, Daphne. Yeah, great. So if you're like me, you go to the buffet and you don't want to wait in a lot of long lines. This is probably the second best place you can go to. Yes. So I want to talk about baked potato. Okay. How do you prepare yours? What do you like about this? I'm pretty easy. If I'm feeling like I shouldn't be even at the potato line, I'll just get the baked potato. And what's great about it is they're in foil. So you know nobody else has touched it. It was burning up hot. It's been in this foil. And I'll just throw the butter on. And again, I think you would- Are you a butter girl? I'm such a butter girl. Butter. And then if I really wanna be decadent, I'll pretty much just go through the line. Where'd you grow up? Georgia. Georgia, that's what I thought. We dip it in grease and then we eat it. Where you're in front, gravy's a beverage. Yes, this is true. You put the gravy on there. You put the gravy on, yeah. But, you know, if you're a germaphobe, guys, think about this. You know, first of all, it's hot, it's in front of you, but it's wrapped. And what comes wrapped, not just the foil, but the skin as well. So if you're really worried about it, you can just stop there. And the other thing, too, is... I would do the butter because I know nobody else has been touching it. No one else has been touching the sour cream. I can't guarantee that someone's dirty little hands haven't been in the green onions or in the bacon, or they might grab the cheese like that. This way, I'm pretty sure that what I'm taking, nobody else has touched. A bacon eater is for sure going to go like this. Exactly. It calls for it. Yes. Sadly, you're right. Yes. All right. Now, there's a trend. You're all going to start seeing it at your grocery store. I want you to know about it, having seen it here. It's going to be there because it helps prevent germs. And it has to do with these little mittens. These are great, and they're just now starting to see these in grocery stores. You just stick your hand in, and you either can grab the spoon and get what you're getting, or if it's something where you're grabbing it individually like that. You're not touching anything. Your germs aren't being transferred. You're not getting, hopefully, anybody else's germs because everybody's using these. And then they've got the recycling bin, and you can get rid of them. What has taken us so long to get these things? I've seen these in Europe. I honestly have not seen them in this country, and I think it's something that we need to have. It's a lot better to recycle this plastic than to deal with the illnesses that you mentioned earlier in the segment. Well, you mentioned noroviruses on cruise ships. Right. These are on cruise ships now, and they're going wide this year. That's great. So you'll see the places you were worried about. All right, we've got two more tips on how to make sure your supermarket buffet is a safe experience. The first safety tip has to do with going into these places when it's at peak time. It's like everything else in life. Timing is everything. And so if you go to the food buffet between 11 and 1 o'clock, you're hitting it at peak time, which means it's being replenished, it's being replenished, so you're getting fresh food. You can also ask the manager of the food buffet, how long has this been sitting here? And if it's been there for more than four hours, Don't get it. The second thing is... First, I want to give you some times. So 11 to 1, sort of lunchtime. You sort of know that. But people actually get there a little earlier, so you can do that as well. And then 6 to 8 in the evenings. Those are the times you want to focus on. Again, because it hasn't sat around for a long time. And the other thing is people don't realize, eat the food while it's hot. Why would you buy it after they've done all this effort and not eat it? So how much time? You mentioned two hours. About two hours, yeah. But strictly speaking, how long can it have been out here? Before you eat it? No more than four hours. If it's been out for more than four hours, you don't want to get it. And they should have very accurate records about how long it's been there. If, though, you pick it up, it's been out, you know, for less than, you know, four hours. You take it home and you realize, eh, it's gotten a little bit cool. Put it in the microwave and reheat it. You will kill whatever bacteria might have started to grow because not that many would have come in that brief a period. And we know the classic scenario. You're busy as stink. You pick this up at 10 in the morning. You go run a quick errand, grab the coffee, pick up something for the kids. It's three hours later. Cook it first. Cook it. All right, up next, we're heading beyond the buffet to the rest of the supermarket where we caught customers behaving very badly, comically badly, in the most shocking hidden camera sting we have ever done. Look at that. She's standing on the plantain. Would you do this? Oh, my gosh. Yep. When we come back, you'll see the whole thing. Go figure. Great. We're breaking down the latest in Alzheimer's prevention. The at-home test that can detect a declining memory before the real Alzheimer's symptoms even show up. And disturbing headlines. What is a soda brain? That's coming up Friday on Dr. Oz. We're back and I'm excited to show you this next bit of hidden camera footage. Take a look at what these supermarket shoppers got caught doing on hidden camera. The customers in this market touch the fruit and vegetables constantly, picking through everything until they found what they liked. Tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, nearly every fruit and vegetable was handled many times by many people. And it didn't end there. People touched their hair, their lips, and then they touched the produce. And what one customer doesn't choose, the next person picks over. The most stunning moment all day, when one woman climbed on top of the plantains, her feet touching the fruit to make her selection. When we switched to the fresh bread area, many people did the right thing and used the tongs to handle the bread. But many did not, reaching into the bins with their bare hands to pick and choose their rolls. This woman lifted the door with the tongs hanging from it and used her bare hands to get her bread. But disturbingly, what happened most often, people actually licked their fingers to open their plastic bag and then used this hand to make the perfect choice. After six hours in the supermarket, we found that some shoppers do the right thing, but a surprising majority do not. Unbelievable. What do you think about the lady on top of the plantains? Okay, honestly, I want to interview her and ask her what makes a good plantain because clearly she knows she was determined. She was going for it. So I go to Renata's joiners. I love having you here now. I didn't know this. She used to work at a health food store. So what is the craziest thing you have seen? Yeah, so the craziest thing I've seen was someone sneeze into their hand and then do one of these numbers, right? And then they went and got the food with the same hands without washing, without even, I mean, just right after they did it, they just went ahead and went and got food. They didn't take a breath or anything. You're all saying it wouldn't be you, but how many of you go like this? You open the plastic bag, take out that banana. We all do that. Yes. All right, so here's some more supermarket customer confessions coming up. We set up screens because we want to conceal their identity. It's sort of awkward to admit this stuff. So first customer, what is your confession? I grab olives with my fingers just to taste them and make sure that they're good before deciding which one to scoop and to purchase. And one time I lost one of my acrylic nails in the bin and I couldn't fish it back out, so I just walked away. Debra, what do you think? Losing your nails? Oh, you did not. You did not. She lost her nail in the olives. Okay, I don't know. Is there like a penalty? Can we send them to jail? Or what do we do to these people? This was terrible. Okay, bad girl. You should have gone to the head of the deli place and said, I've lost something in the olives. And if you have to buy the whole bunch of olives, they're not going to make you do that. But at least tell the people. That's just gross. You can wear a disguise when you go up there. That's a little awkward. Audience, what do you guys think? Guilty or not? Guilty. Guilty. Yeah, exactly. Do we forgive her? No. No! I'm sorry. What do you think, Renata? Would you forgive her? No, not forgiven. No. Nasty. Let's see. Absolutely nasty. All right, next customer. You saw what went down with the earlier customer. What happened with you? So I use the same utensils for meat and non-meat foods because, you know, I'm usually going pretty fast. And recently I dropped a pair on the ground and there wasn't really anyone around, so I just put them back on the buffet. Oh, my goodness. What do you think about that, Debra? That tongue confession. Okay, tongue confession girl, you're going with fingernail girl. You're guilty. Guilty. Audience, she confessed. Will you forgive her? Audience, forgive her. What do you think? No, well, it's not quite as aggressive. What do you think, Renata? No, do not forgive your cross-contaminating meat, non-meat. What if somebody, I mean, what if somebody has an allergy or something like that? That is just nasty. And then you say you drop the tongs on the floor and put it back. What is wrong? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm crucifying her. No, but no one saw her. I'm sorry. No one saw her? That's even worse. Exactly. Exactly. All right, next customer, what's your confession? I was shopping with my daughter and she was acting up. She took a few bites out of a couple of apples and instead of paying for them, I was so embarrassed, I just put them back in the pile. Okay. You're so embarrassed you put the bitten apples, multiple apples, back where they came from. What do you think, Debra? Why, why? She's gonna eat them anyway. Buy the girl some apples, put them in the cart, you're guilty. Exactly. Audis, would you forgive her? She has confessed now. It wasn't her fault. Her daughter did it. Audience, forgive her or not? Forgive? No. She's not very forgiving. Renata. No, no, no. Bad mommy, okay? Bad mommy, bad, bad, bad. No. Apple, take it to the doctor away. Take it home with you. Enjoy it. Take it home with you. That's right. Debra, thank you so much for being here. My pleasure. Thank you so much. I love spending time with you. Appreciate it. Inside Edition, fabulous show. She hosts that every night, every day. Actually, weekdays. Check your local listings. Be right back. Renata. Up next, a true Crime Thursday exclusive. What one woman did to survive the most terrifying carjacking that made headlines all around the world. Today on True Crime, exclusive interviews with the most shocking carjacking escapes that you have to see to believe. We have two incredible survival stories that made headlines all around the world. For the first time ever, find out how these two women each fought off carjackers when they had seconds to spare. What they did could teach you how to save your own life. We start with what's been called the stick shift carjacking. Thank you for your time, and good night. Jordan Dinsmore, a 20-year-old college student in South Carolina, was enjoying her time in school as a criminal justice major. Little did she know her education may soon save her life. In July of 2017, Jordan was ambushed outside of her apartment after she returned home from work. Three men with guns shoved her to the ground and threatened to kill her if she didn't meet their demands. The men forced Jordan into her own car and told her to drive to a local gas station where they instructed her to take out money from the ATM. Hoping that the worst was over, Jordan handed them the $300 she had in her bank account. But her captors weren't finished with her. We're driving off and I'm like, okay, you have the money, you have everything, can you let me go? They say that I was also going to be forced to have sex with them. That's when Jordan's survival instincts and criminal justice training kicked in. At that moment, I just knew that my window of opportunity was closing and I was willing to do anything to get away. Today, Jordan is here to share the split-second decision that saved her life and what you should know if you're ever in the same situation. Jordan is here. There are a lot of parts of your story that have blown me away. Let me start by saying they had no idea who they were dealing with. Thank you. So I hear you got a little nickname from law enforcement down at home. Yes, I did. The investigator who responded to the case nicknamed me James Bond. Yeah. Cool. We'll see why she was named James Bond in a moment, but there were some harrowing moments. That you had to survive through. The first big issue and question I've got for you is, when did you realize that you were being carjacked? When did you realize that you were at risk and these men might hurt you? Well, the clearest image that I can pull from that night is getting out of the car, turning around, and seeing someone peeking at me from behind the car next to me. And I instantly knew, this is not good. And my first reaction was just to scream. Did you scream? Yes, I did. And as soon as they got over to me, I saw a piece of the gun and they yelled, stop screaming, I'll shoot you. And you believed them? Oh, I definitely did. I mean, I hadn't heard of any other attacks or anything. So, I mean, for all I knew, they were serious. I'd be scared, too. So they forced their way into the car. And who's driving? Well, at first, the guy with the gun got in the front seat and attempted to crank the car, but it wouldn't start because I drive a manual transmission. And so I realized that he didn't know. I said, I drive a manual. Do you know how to drive that? And he said, no, get out. You're driving. So I'm in the driver's seat and this entire way over to the ATM I'm thinking how can I get out of this? I'm trying to put my emotions to the side and just figure out how can I escape? And this entire time they're telling me if you try anything I'll shoot you, if you look at anyone I'll shoot you. And I finally came to the realization that the best way for me to get as much distance as possible away from these guys would be to jump out of the car while it was still moving. You're obviously scared. You've got a gun at your head. So you go to the ATM machine at the gas station. And you have... I don't know how you did this, and God bless you, because you're a brave woman. You decide you're going to unbuckle your seatbelt, despite the fact they've got a gun pointed at you and telling you not to move. I used the ATM as an excuse. You know, I'm a pretty short girl. I unbuckled my seatbelt and made it look like I had to do it to reach the ATM buttons. And I just, something in my head told me not to buckle it back. And as we drove off from the ATM, my safety alert started beeping. Sleeping. I hope that they wouldn't notice it, and thank goodness they didn't. And we're driving off from the ATM, and that's when he said, you're going to drop us off somewhere. And they said that I was also going to be sexually assaulted. And that's the point where I said, no, you can take my money and you can take my things, but I'm going to fight. And I saw the headlights in the distance. Thank you. Thank you. I saw the headlights in the distance and I saw my window of opportunity closing. I was driving and I placed my hand right beside the handle like I was just resting my arm. I put it in neutral. They told me to turn and I missed the turn, feigned some confusion, and I thought in my head, now, now or never, now or never. And then the next thing I know, my hand's on the handle, the door's open, and I'm staring at the pavement. At 40 miles an hour, you jump out of the car. About 35. So you're spinning, spinning, spinning. I don't really remember rolling. I think that that was probably my brain trying to protect myself from fighting it, just looking back on it. But then I kind of come back to myself, and I'm on the ground, and I get up and I find my car, and it's too dark to see anything, But my head, but my. tail lights and I see the cars still coming in the distance so I get up and I just start running away because I figure the cars will catch up to me. I'm screaming just in case someone hears me I'm screaming call 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 and two cars passed by me and then the third after I ran for a few minutes a third came by and she stopped for me. Oh, my goodness. And so I got in the car with her, and she drove me to the gas station where we met police. Can I bring your mom, Beth, into the story? Mom, come on up here. You must be incredibly proud of your daughter. What a story. I know you've heard it before. I can only imagine as a parent how shocked I would be to hear the story, but then to wonder if she's going to be okay jumping out of a moving car at 35 miles an hour when people die at that speed. Yeah. So did I. What was, what did she look like? How was she? She, her, she was wearing a thick raincoat, so I think that saved her arms and everything. She was wearing leggings. They were all shredded. Her knees were just all shredded. Her ankle was shredded. You were a lucky woman. Her back was all shredded and bruised. Yeah. I heard that you were repeating something to yourself, something about your mom this whole time, why you've got these bad guys, you know, going to do bad things to you. My mom has always stressed to me the importance of being safe and having a clear head about you. And she, this has always been my favorite story about my mom. When she was in college, she was almost sexually assaulted. But she fought the man off that approached her, and she got away. And I've always looked up to her because she's so strong, and I just want to be like her. What do you have to say to your mom? Say it to her. Just thank you for repeating that story to me, and thank you for ingraining it into my brain to not let them get you to the second location. She always said, you know, it's better to be shot in the street where someone can find you and help you than it is to be at that second location, locked up, where no one knows what could happen. How does it make you feel, Mom? You know, as a parent, you tell a million stories, and you're not sure that they're listening to any of them. To hear that I was in that car with her just is amazing to me. Thank you very much, everybody. Yeah. I'm so proud of you, and I'm especially proud of you. Because you're right, we don't know what they're hearing, but they hear more than we think. God bless you both. So when we come back, we're not done yet. Caught on tape, I want you to meet the woman who survived this attempted carjacking. I mean, this is unbelievable. Car's being taken away, watch what she does. You'll meet her and understand why when we return. It's our big Thanksgiving show. You're going to love this. Side dish hacks. The secret ingredient that will put your stuffing over the top. Plus, Valerie Bertinelli. Her famous blueberry nectarine crumble. Next star. That's coming up tomorrow. Can you imagine that? Today, could you survive a carjacking? For the first time ever, the woman behind this viral video is speaking out in a daytime exclusive about her self-defense move that has shocked all of us. Melissa, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. I have so many questions, but let's go back to the beginning. Did you ever think that your trip to the gas station, in broad daylight, would take such a dramatic turn? No. It was a very normal Tuesday. There were lots of people walking around. It's right downtown Milwaukee. Third ward, and it was just a normal Tuesday, so. So the whole process, we've all seen the video, but from your perspective, how long did it take? How much time did you have to make these decisions, these life and death decisions? It was about a minute total from the beginning of the video to the end. A minute you'll never forget. No. So can we go back and reconstruct what happened? I want to learn from you. I want to understand how your mind ticks, but I also want to get everyone to understand what to do. Okay. Come on back. We're going to go through exactly what happened that day in the gas station. So here you are walking out of your car, right? Yes. And I want everyone to notice this car back over here because this is coming into play. So there you are walking around, and you're getting your gas nozzle, right? Yes. So I took the gas nozzle out, and then I was waiting for my receipt. I'm just kind of minding my own business, and then this gentleman decides to hop into my driver's seat. So you didn't even notice him yet? Nope. You can see I have a holy smokes moment, run around real fast, jumped on top of my hood. Now stop for one second. I've got to get this. So right about here, you noticed that he was there. You scurried around, which I remarked, very nimble, by the way. Thank you. But this is not what I would personally have probably done. So what gave you the belief you could stop this several thousand pound car by jumping in front of it? He hadn't turned it on yet. So I figured, I was hoping he wouldn't go anywhere with me on top of it. I was kind of wrong. So as you'll see when the video progresses, he tried to throw me off. The wipers are there. Yep. So it was raining earlier in the day, but I held on. Yep. So at this point I realized I may have to have an exit plan, but thankfully he decided to get out, ran off with my bag, and then... Where are you now? You're still on the windshield? Yep, I'm still on the windshield. So he gets out, and why is the car moving? Because he left it in drive, so then I had to hop off the side and get into my moving vehicle before it hit the median and stop it. You're like a superhero. I mean, who does that? And now you get out. What are you doing now? It was the biggest adrenaline rush of my entire life. So I collapsed. It was... Oh, you were sitting down. Yeah, I... It was terrifying and such an adrenaline rush. It was insane. I'm not going to explain. Thankfully, it all ended okay. I look at this and I think... It's one minute. We were only seeing a few seconds of that. Yeah. As you even look at it now, do you think you were scared? Oh, I was terrified. You were? Yeah. It was more of a, this isn't happening to me. I was also very angry. While he was in my car, he was laughing at me. So I think that intensified my adrenaline rush. Never laugh at a mad woman. No. No, that's not true. Ever. Never. But you got a good look at them. Yes, so they've been caught, and all the court proceedings and everything is going on. It's unbelievable. So I want you to meet someone now, because I am curious if what you did was the right thing. Some parts of it I would wish my daughters wouldn't do, but I have to respect your bravery and the fact that you actually intervened and did something. So there's a... Probably a couple lessons to be learned. Yes. You okay? You want to join me? Yep, definitely. Come on over. So I've got former FBI defense expert Steve Carty in here. He has more than 30 years of experience under his belt. And he has a self-defense program that's trained over 2,000 women. So Steve, I'll support her. I'm going to tell her right up front, I'm very respectful of your bravery. But what did you think about that video as an expert? Well, you know... Something inside my heart, I have a really warm place for people that refuse to be victimized or statistic. So that being said, she's a hero. Great job. That being said, it would be irresponsible of me to say, bargain away your life for your property. So for the future, for the people that are out in the audience, your property can be replaced. You can't. So let it go for another day. But she's a hero because she did good and she survived. So up next, she's going to show us what to do in the very first seconds of a carjacking. Those are the most critical moments. Stay around. We're breaking down the latest in Alzheimer's prevention. The at-home test that can detect a declining memory before the real Alzheimer's symptoms even show up. And disturbing headlines. What is a soda brain? That's coming up Friday on Dr. Oz. Today, what to do to survive a carjacking. Now, you just heard two incredible stories of women who fought off their assailants in very different ways. Now, what you can do in the very first few seconds of a carjacking to increase your chances of survival. Self-defense expert Steve Carty is back. He says you've got to get dedicated to this project. And you've dedicated your life to making sure women don't become victims. This is the part that really shocked me. Within seven seconds, a perp can identify if a woman is an easy target. Seven seconds or less, he can identify what we refer to as a soft target and target them for some sort of criminal activity. So how do you make yourself a hard target? Hard target. You want to present yourself as a hard target. Walk assertively. Walk with a purpose. Have your head on a swivel. Watch your six. Another way, I mean, watch your six. If I take a step here, I don't have to turn around just to peek over my shoulder so I can see what's behind me. By scanning the environment, your brain will pick up little things that will signify or signal some sort of danger. By putting a predator on notice that you've seen him, you have taken away about 70% of his game, which is the element of surprise. So walk with the pride you should already have in yourself, looking around, head swivel, and watch your six, you said, was back behind you. Yeah, head on a swivel is, if you're a predator, and I look at you and I do this, or I look at you and I look away, I look at you and I trail off, and I continue to walk and I'll just peek back at you. To put you on notice, I know exactly what you're up to. Oh, I love that. Oh, come on over here. So I brought you your own car. Right. Can't take it home with you. All right. So I'm going to, I'm going to try to steal something from you. So I've got, I've got a gun. All right. I'm just pretend I've got a gun. I'm holding it at you. I said, I want you to get in the car. Give me your keys. If it's the property he wants, throw the keys out and you'll run. You'll run right away. He's not going to shoot you at the primary crime scene. If he wants your property, give it up. Alright, so what if, I get this, but I'm close enough to you, I got the keys, and I grab you, I want you. What I want to do is I never want to be taken to the secondary location. I will blade myself, then I'll step in, and I will kick to the groin, to the face, to the stomach, to disable you enough so I can escape. I'm not here to kick your butt, I'm here to hurt you enough to change your behavior so that I can escape. Alright, so... I'm going to say this one more time. If I've got a gun and I'm a perpetrator, I'm holding it at you, you should still be brave enough to do the things you just told about. You know, throwing the keys at me because they perceive it as not compliant, right? You're falling down, kicking me. Why wouldn't I just shoot you? If he wants to take you to the secondary crime scene, he's not going to kill you here. He wants to get you to the secondary location where he can have his way with you, victimize you, and in 90% of the cases, if it's a stranger, you're not coming back. Oh, 90%. 90%. All right, so you're going to hop in the car here. Let's go back to a typical scenario. You're minding your own business. You're at a stoplight or a gas station, which seems to be a big problem these days. And I come up and I go, I will kick and kick and kick and kick and kick and knock the gun away as I do that so that I can hurt you enough to be able to escape. I only need three or four seconds to be 50 feet away. I'm going to be clear on this. You're saying, if I'm going to shoot you there, I was going to shoot you anyway. But my chances are much, much better if I draw you out of my... They're sailing the perp out early on. If he wants your property, you always give up the property. If he wants to take you to the secondary location, never go. It's unforgiving. All right, let's go back next to our two brave women, both are survivors. So let's talk about a couple of things that could come up. The one big issue is if someone is going to hijack you and everything else is failing and you're being driven along in the road, you didn't do the things you just told me about or for whatever reason it didn't work. So you're like Jordan. What do you do? Jordan did amazing. She used the most powerful weapon in her body, her brain. She was faced with overwhelming odds that she knew she would have a difficult time getting out of. She seized the moment. Never allow yourself to be taken to the secondary crime. Drive your car into something. Drive your car even towards a police officer. Sideswipe them. Don't be taken to the secondary location. I can't emphasize that enough, doctor. What should we put in our car? What should women be putting in their car? To give themselves a little bit more of an edge. One of the things I carry, I carry it up in my sun visor, is pepper spray. This also has a GPS and a flashlight. So, and this is military grade. All you need to do is hurt them enough to get away. Melissa, do you have pepper spray? I do. Did you have it when you were hijacked? No, I got it afterwards. Do you have pepper spray? I'm getting some, yeah. Here, it's a gift from the show. It's the least I can do. I'll get your mom one, too. I'm very proud of you, to both of you. I really am, and thanks for sharing your story. Nice job for explaining it. He's got a fantastic new book. It's called The New Superpowerful Woman. Check it out and give it to the woman in your life. It might save a life. Be right back. It's our big Thanksgiving show. You're going to love this. Side dish hacks. The secret ingredient that will put your stuffing over the top. Plus, Valerie Bertinelli. Her famous blueberry nectarine crumble. Next to us. That's coming up tomorrow. It is Lung Cancer Awareness Month. And before the show, we asked everyone at our home and in the studio here which cancer they think kills the most women. Here's what they said. The vast majority said breast cancer. The correct answer is lung cancer, which wasn't even second in your guessing. It's the cancer that kills the most women by far, claiming more than 155,000 lives each year. It takes your lungs and it shrivels them up and it gets all kinds of junk in there. And while in the past we may have considered lung cancer a death sentence, because of advancements in treatments like genetic testing and all that immunotherapy you read about, doctors and patients are now more optimistic than ever. And technology is even allowing us to catch some lung cancers early. Using a CAT scan screening test, we can find lung cancers in their earliest, most treatable stages. But a brand new study from the American Lung Association found that 84% of people at high risk for lung cancer didn't know there was a test that could literally save their life. Kathy's here. Kathy was saved by the scan. I'm so happy you're doing well. What made you decide to get a scan? I heard a public service announcement about a clinical trial for the early detection of lung cancer. And I felt fine. I had no reason to think there was anything wrong with me, but I had smoked on and off most of my life. I probably smoked a pack a day for 30 years. So I thought, find out more about it. So I called them on the phone. They asked me some questions and I was admitted to the trial. Look at that. And here you are on my stage, hopefully telling millions of other folks who have smoked, and even if you've stopped, it's something you should think about. So our friends at the American Lung Association and the Ad Council have launched a new campaign called Saved by the Scan to make sure those at high risk get screened. The scan's really simple, and since it's recommended by the U.S. Preventative Services Task Force, insurance, including Medicare, covers it for free. So why not get out? To find out if you're at risk and should get screened, go to DrRodgers.com, locate the quiz, and remember, everybody, happy and healthy. It starts at home.