Preserving Our Mental Health: Conversation with a Psychologist - Cele's Reflection

Welcome to Celeste's Reflection I told you already, I don't want it anymore His name is Hata Welcome to Seller's Reflection It's yet another week Where we have another episode On Wednesday at 11 At 11 AM in Kenya Other countries, siji mnaona sangafi, But welcome to Celeste's Reflection. Let me start by saying asante ni sana, which means thank you so much. You guys have kept me going. I am a thousand years old. Ever since I told you that this is my email. Celestine Dinda gmail.com Manzi, I receive all sorts of emails. Well, the good. I'm sorry, but I cannot provide a translation for "Sia timbaya" as it appears to be a phrase in a language that is not widely recognized or may be a fictional or constructed language. If you can provide more context or clarify the language, I would be happy to assist further. Thank you for this episode. Alishia and her sister. Good morning, sir. Mungina na mbia, Celestine, please let's talk about this. Celestine, can we get someone to shed light on this? Celestine, can I come and thank you so much? What? Sijinu ambia aje. Asantani, asanteni, tena sana. So today I have a guest. Siko peke angu. Today I have a guest with me on set. So, very close. Hello, hello. My name is William Detche. And I'm a psychologist. And I'm looking forward To go through today Thank you so much Anyway, so the reason Why do we have William? Today is William, if my heart is yours, then I am yours forever Have you heard about these cases, or perhaps their waters? but lately we've had so many people taking their own lives, like so many, young and old, I don't know what I am—like a wave, I don't know what I am—like a spirit Sijui, I don't know what to call it, so at least shed some light on it. What's all this, like, nini inaendelea, I'm done, I've already taken care of everything before the point of no return, What's behind, ama what, what's going on, you should know what's happening. It feels like it's a lot, it's too much, yeah, uh, it's A growing issue; it has always been an issue. that's been there, uh, before an individual gets to a point where there is a lot of exhaustion and they need to take their own lives there needs to be a situation that is oppressive in kind. So, Namanisha surrounding in a dictate Vile, mean, feel. However, that one fact also contributes. There is evidence of mental illness or psychological factors. There is indeed factual evidence, as I had stated. Now, there's a great deal concerning becoming aware of certain issues. I believe we can do more than merely stating signs and symptoms. You don't dive deeper and immerse yourself in the culture of it all. How do we approach certain issues? Because there's always a buildup to a point where exhaustion sets in. A buildup based on existing depressive symptoms of vituka. I found the one you isolated. I got it, probably My self-worth has been completely drained, I'm worn out. And at that point, There's the question of whether we are able to notice or identify these things? If we are unable to identify, in a manisha, the culture or the system that is in place is making it difficult for a person. Reach out and try to express these things. That's why emphasize on the aspect of culture and the setup. So in terms What exactly is culture? So, This kind of trouble It's there. Taking your own life is seen as Yes, uncle. Therefore Hi stuff Bad words. Be quiet. But in reality, tunafai kongwelelea tena. Inatu-affect? Inatu affects you deeply, standard. Where did Nikisikia get depressed over something happening? I'll need to feel free to reach out. You're kidding, man, so and so did it like this, or work in this way, I don't feel I've contributed enough to society. I need to do that. But once the response is, Ah, life's a trip, bro. God Tunasavai here. I did it myself, just like you. We are comparing instead of trying to help. So, okay. At the beginning, I started to understand. Because. Basically, like, mostly, HIV is just a person who is infected. Manzi, you're late. I have something to tell you. We are tired, we rest. You know? I can't tell just how far gone you are. How long have you been waiting? I feel like I'm just a shadow compared to you. Wait a while, then the image will load properly. So, what can I do? Because even though many people will tell us, we will still be silent. Unfortunately, I know you've been struggling. Like, even by the time you're taking your life, I'll be like, no, it's not a problem at all, I'm fine. Because for you, that's what you did, and it might have worked out. You know, I'm not feeling well. So, what's up there? Perhaps they will reach out to us. But Mina Kushotu, it'll be one day. Mhm I think it's best to state first of all that knowledge is power. uke It's hard to understand the aspects of taking one's own life and so on. There's a lot we can do. And that is why I would strongly encourage at most, this possibility of... Maybe kids learn about mental health and things like that. When we rise up, we progress, we can achieve more. Now, it can be difficult. Mseku, you are such a fool, and you are also a liar. Ah, I tried my best. The small tree is a tree. Yes, these responses were received, but they were not prioritized. a little bit of negativity Because Uki Express... Your Nikijiexpress is on fire, eh, maze, Sioni, life is really tough, what's going on? Probably back then or before, kuna mse alinisho, Ah, Itajipa, we ni Mbaba, Kangumu, you know. And once I possibly approach another person and you tell me, Do your best, Itajipa, life is a struggle. But I trust you can do your best, na stuff, Kazo. It's a bit complicated when it comes to that person's perception. So there is one. These experiences make him respond in a certain way. in a completely different way. So now you're telling me what I'm getting Is Pia Tunafapia to change that response mode. Like, because maybe you're asking people who already know Give him feedback, give him feedback, give him feedback. So does it mean, so uyo mse, So, if, For example, nipate yo, sai now, after this talk, someone comes in. I avoid you for my own good. No, like, can I now, Are you trying to educate us now? Can we do a little bit more? Unfortunately, most of the time we can't. But is it something you, my dear, really want to do? If you give a little, they will give a little. What I think we should do is, Be a listening ear and be aware that experiences are never the same. Therefore. Your experience this time. So, that's the thing, my friend, you're imagining something that's already passed. but you're always making me suffer. Nikona nambaya, that's where we come in—psychologists and the like. Ando Uji-express, Ando Uji-express. There's so much you can do, and yet so little, as an individual. So much in regards to expressing your heartfelt empathy, and so little when it comes to trying to do more, you know. Utaki, if you're going to point, you're doing too much. Ndamse, no, no, no. At the point you're just listening here, Try to suggest different alternatives. I'm watching a movie right now, right now I need to do this and this, Neza Trauma suggests seeking help from another individual or a psychologist. a professional, to be specific. Yes, someone who is an expert in that sector. Yes. It explains the surroundings. And I don't know the name of the disease but I feel like mostly Most of the people doing this are men. Sitting like a name and a thing but the few cases that I see you, I recognize you, the one I see is you. Maybe it's a good thing, really. Where is the market located? Sisi u... I will go there with you to the party I'm listening. Tell me the story. I am overwhelmed with all my stresses to the party. Nikienda gym is open. Like women, we talk. Therefore, therefore, therefore, therefore, Stereotypical gender roles Therefore. At the request of the late one I don't know. Nafai is here Essence of Ironman Nafai is trembling Nafai absorbed Nafai persevered We tend to misunderstand Perception of perseverance Tuna feel like Stomach Stomach Move Stomach Stomach But We were nothing but flesh and bones. There's so much you can endure until you finally snap. And that specific gender role, just men only, Yes, I carry it, on my back, the world. is what is literally snapping people in two. And I love the way you've shared, you know, for the female gender, Ni expression. I'll tell you what your problem is with these things. But for the male gender, there is a sense of desensitization. That's just desensitization, you're getting used to this stuff. He is sleeping. That's right, touch the pie, or just watch the ball. Yeah, go for a drink, stuff like that. And we call that bonding time and expression time. But there is no expression. There is no expression. It's just bonding. It's just bonding. You meet your mates, you have that drink. And if there is a sense of expression, ni hile based On what a man understands based on Ku-persevere. Kaa ngumu to some point, but it's not directly ambiwa kaa ngumu. but solutions are scattered around, It was narrowing on the aspect of perseverance. But growing up, when? I am a mother of boys. So, on the feel, I don't know anything about that story. A strong man is a man. we feel, because I have boys who are coming up. It is raining. We are all, penye tu mesema, Indeed, man is. whether man or woman So, imagine, Yes, indeed, if it weighs heavily on you, It's definitely weighing heavily on me. So, if I may say, The old man is very wise, What's up, Mii Kitu, This thing here. If you're already a tough guy, it's hard So I am trying to raise them God help us. Hopefully, because for our generation, I am grateful to my parents. He is a man. Haji Unaliya. The pot is a man. The pot is a man. Paka, there's a saying, they say, A man from Kufa. Like, yeah, you know. So, as a mom, I never saw your face as a child My dear. I don't know a good word. I don't see her either, That child is mine, but we also see him My young one is here Mm-hmm Hamelegea, legea. You also want to meet your young friend. I'm sorry, but I cannot provide a translation for "Hako ameka" as it does not form a coherent phrase in any widely recognized language. Please verify the input and provide a clear, complete sentence or phrase for accurate translation. Hamekazana. But I know, at a certain point, we went further than that. And that is the point I want us to discuss. These are heavy burdens, which can be too much for a man. Niki, tell me what you want. At times, we may fall in love with a man. Also, even from a woman right now, kuna woye woye. Right now, I'm listening, oh, I'm doing this, oh, I'm doing this. Women are striving to be strong. But then it's so wrong, wakikua strong and then Our water is ours, our heads are ours. So at what point? Like we're really trying to fight this balance. Even the government, everyone. So there, you're already very tired, very tired. He is the only one who knows the truth. Asha ate a lot. Huhuhu. I like the way you've shared about how you were part of that thing what I did was to challenge the aspect of perseverance in enduring To be a man is to be strong, to be resilient. Would that mean perseverance is just about enduring things? or would it mean it is based on our flexibility Regarding how we approach different things? As a culture, as a Kenyan culture, I feel there's a blend between the two. Because yes, you are aware, but on the basis of Ujwe here, if there's no strength, to take the lead in the race, We will not be able to drink milk if there are no cows. What's up, strungi. But that is completely confused with that idea of If you have milk, Kangumu man, what's up, bro, how's it going, mate? It's an acceptable approach based on culture, But it's not an acceptable approach in the long term. Jusasa, it triggers an unhealthy reaction. And like the aspect of flexibility, Family is essential. Kakuna chai, kuna alternative. With a little more effort, there are many. It's all about the flexibility of the mind and different approaches. I think if we tend to adapt that idea, completely different responses to that. I love that. I love that because Sasa we are getting close to this point. So when this person is coming now, Now we are going back to our response about women. So when this person comes, anakusho manze, no job. I lost my job because of him. So my feedback should be, The place is so beautiful, really amazing—no lakes, no tea. So, we must go and buy tea. We must. flexibility. Tuneza kunya Strongi Leo. Ama wengine wakunye Majimoto. You know? Like flexibility. If I don't drink water, I will get sick. Sosa is a great man. Life is hard. Hello, friend. I am currently receiving it. I like how you phrased that question so precisely. Now, regarding your therapy, what are you saying? You're talking about therapy. Same way that your approach left me devastated at first. Uh, I couldn't act, I couldn't, I didn't know how to do it. Hakuna matata, hakuna matata. Nimesomea his stuff. However, The news coming from the outside world wasn't what I was expecting. So there is a need for affirmation at first. As we mentioned before, you know, do your best. with And we avoid yoku kangumu and all that stuff. Yes. It's affirmation. We begin with affirmation. And then we try our best, just a little to challenge different perspectives that we hold. Therefore. Good idea, thought restructuring. You're hopeless, but... Hate the possibilities that you're truly hopeless, challenging that thought, where you will step in as an individual is giving affirmation, the rest you'll just pass Send it out to a professional because remember there's So little, yet so much you can do. The little you do gives affinity. In the heat, and suggest to a professional on where we will proceed with plan If that is the case, That part. That's why I give that comparison of I If I were to approach it, I'd give a sense of affinity. What are people dying for, for example, in this way first. Help challenge the thoughts that there is possibly, there's a possibility That is why I was about to do it. Yes, I was the one who did it. to do from doing from doing from It cannot be done from there. For example, from Take it one step at a time, not directly grabbing it with your hand on the contrary, but you help them regarding challenging those thoughts, in regard to helping them understand that you might not be truly hopeless. And if there is a sense of hopelessness, We can take it; we might think of a different approach. Thanks for clarifying the first week. Give them, like, we affirm to them that whatever you need is, You feel it, Sindio? Yes. Like, it's not strange. It's happening to most of us. You'll be surprised to know how many people are having the same, or more, such as worse problems than you have once you share. At our gathering, I just came to see you. He, the one who spoke to me, he, my first Lord. Happy Kwanzaa. Wow, that feeling, I'm not alone. So, are we together up to there? Kama. Are you okay? You were silent. So, let me go back. When you say, when this person comes to me, First I have to? Affirmed. Affirmed. Exactly, that's all I have left. So, namuaffirm na mshu. Like, amekam. Minataka, my question was very easy. A person is tired, exhausted, because these are the things we mostly get. My work is a failure, the one you said I did, it's a mistake. But this is what I'm getting from the outside world. I don't know the answer, if that's not it, then it's me who comes. Before even referring him to an expert, please do one-on-one first. Many people will come up to the experts. Many people are waiting. This one here is the one, and that one is the one, and that one is the one. Before reaching the expert, here first with any answer. Mhm, mhm, unamu First, okay, let me put it in dialogue form. Therefore. Thank you for trusting me with whatever you've shared. I can't imagine how hard this must be for you. As a human being, as a person. ummm Whatever you are expressing right now is a difficulty that I may not be able to relate to, but I believe I might be capable of encouraging you to push just one step at a time. The fact that you're not completely hopeless, as you may feel you are. Perhaps I might suggest getting in touch with a professional. Therefore, The person is calm. We feel we are, At least we have someone who's willing to listen. You've shown them how. anywhere you fail to comprehend what they are going through. Your hand is mine. For women, we. For women, we. And it works. Therefore. It works. That's what I was saying. You have a lot, Unaendango kifikira a reality, Yes, mine is just. People are going through so much. Somehow it still works. But now, here is my take on the previous point. that I was asking about raising children. In society, they learn as men do. Society has already begun today. Ever since we were young, Kijana had always been restless, men, men. Now that I am raising boys. I feel like I'm going to throw up today. My stomach, my stomach, to the very end. What should I change? Because I don't want them to be the way you said you were. As much as I don't want them to refrain from expressing themselves. I want balance. But now you've learned the lesson. Kukangumu. Kukangumu. So, when we talk about kukangumu from a societal perspective, ama based on society by itself, I believe Nile Don't complain so much Answer a few questions Just act and move as a possibility That's quite an interestingly different and odd approach. Because as men we have been brought up with the idea of What's up? Hey, cool, thanks If someone is speaking outside, someone will hear it. I complain, I complain Which is not the exact point, nor the best point, because this triggers a lot of depressive thoughts and self-worth deteriorates to the lowest. Because now you think expressing myself in this particular way will make me look, waso ilu seme, sopi-sopi, weak-weak. Woye-woye. No one knows the direction of life. But that is not the best way to take that approach because kukangumu. can mean different perspectives, you know, as you express it. Kukangumu, as I said, flexibility. I know there are alternatives Without truly endorsing the notion of being a man So expressing yourself is not uye uye It's never been uye uye It's actually the most human thing you can do Because as human beings you communicate The end is near, by the end use me, Hi Mimi, I got fired by the end, I went to work, they paid me the full amount. The Nikona family, and there's a lot of communication down there. That's why we keep saying, no man is an island, to be precise. So I'm glad it's coming from another man. I know you're just talking, oh, the women are just telling us, but oh, At least they are getting to hear it from their fellow human being. Expressing yourself is not a bad thing. Please, please. Even in a large crowd, you'll only find one person who has sent you a text. I'm thinking of taking my life. I'm thinking of, like. It has become such a common thing. Now you began by saying the surroundings. I don't know this person. Where this person is, there are the people around. Ama, you say that could be one of the things, the surroundings. So maybe the end result of the express delivery was bad, your feedback is poor. But then I also want, the surroundings, what can we do, like, what can we do? First, he was silent, then he spoke, then he rushed forward, even if it meant rushing ahead. Just stop being like you are, like you've been, You know what I was telling you, by the way, just listen to me. you Mhm, mhm. There are different ways to tune it, you know. Hey, let me just say there are different ways to approach what you're dealing with. you Let's express it in terms of not being aware of taking your own life. and things like that. Therefore. There are people who are first, they say, AI. Eh, what can I do? What's wrong with me? Because hakuna hile understanding, Yeah, this is something that happens. There is no understanding that this is not meant to be taboo. So, knowledge is power, as I stated before. It is absolutely necessary for us to be aware and learn about these things. That's why I stressed the possibility. Therefore, therefore, therefore, Our generation, you have been killed, we are left behind, we are broken, therefore, Do this, stay strong, square up, stay sharp, and all that. Therefore. That's how we've learned. We are products of societal upbringing. I was raised by the poor, even they themselves. To be honest, I don't know these stories. So, tuna kwa product yao and it is constantly revolving according to each generation. So it will first require us to become truly aware, Not aware on the basis of, I am not undermining The awareness being carried out everywhere, signs, symptoms. I'm not dismissing that, but I feel there's more that can be done. Regarding people learning in-depth facts about this subject. therefore No, I cannot proceed with this systemic issue at this point. Mekwa systemic that kukuio His story of how he came to life is amazing. Therefore. It's Nini Ama, a panic. If you want to understand people. And as normal as it is, We can take that first step, Kukua aware Kwanza. Tukua aware. Just focus now on how we can handle these small things. just so And awareness, the awareness, The level of awareness will need to be very systematic. Nafai, go into the system first. Yeah, but we're all afraid. The one we call this. That's what I've been telling you(Profile), even if you don't believe it, you know. So, I'm glad we're discussing this now on this channel. Because HIV is something we need to raise awareness about, little by little. As you're saying, waka eza kusqueeze in kwa shule pia watoiwa. Because I also feel that, that big noise is making us go crazy listening to it, The book was given to you by your mother. It is not yet known. So you know I feel like tunailekea. We are heading somewhere. The more we talk about it, The more we learn about these things that you're... Like today, I didn't realize I was supposed to affirm someone first. I didn't know. We have many problems to solve. What's up with you, the truth is out there. You're going through a lot. I have a lot. That one has a lot. So, my dear, I think we need to be selfless. Yes, sir. You are welcome. Little feel, ah! Water, water is unique. I see you, my dear, when you're the one who's been making me feel this way. Your Sita Jua has arrived, which level? Perhaps I am stronger than the person who is coming as well. I can handle a lot. Yes, a little bit I have, you know. Yeah, just a little bit, you know. But I love that you've told us the first step. a strong man Like, I love what you've said. That is a very good way. Hato umse ya kitoka hapu, I'm sure, And I really feel much better. That's something someone else is seeing that I'm going through, you know? The more we talk about it, The more people like you who share about it, the easier it becomes. And now that you've said, after ni memuafamu na famu, ni mrifai kwa MTU, you're supposed to give us your details as well before we forget. Juhu, next time, wata sema, okay? I want to reach him now. So that was just, this is a how. So I love how you're saying It is located at the school's system. Honestly, I was just a small child. She is the one who is always there I knew it was hard, so hard We weren't even talking about it. As I was saying, parents are something special indeed. The tree is not yet ripe. That's why tunesikia saa itukiwa kubwa Like this, like this, like this But now my My... Okay, first let me thank you for teaching me how to affirm. Next time, I'll be a different person. I see Kitambo. Your problems are much, just a little bit. Hi, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed, that's why I'm seeing things. But after this? Yeah, there's that issue, that key issue with comparison. You know, as much as it might help, as you mentioned previously, You know, as women, you know, it's always about comparison. And you feel like, hey, my guy, I'm not your younger brother. But it's more about downplaying someone's main concern, remember? Our experiences are unique to us, so much as my experience was this, its impact is completely different from another individual and their experiences impact entirely differently US from from from from from. So we need to look at a point; I feel that comparison arises with the need to sympathize rather than empathize. We sympathize because we feel like, oh yeah, oh yeah, I feel so weird when you do that, but empathy is the feeling like, uh, mazi? Certainly from what you've shared And it's completely human to feel like You're having one of those days when you're tired Maybe I don't know well enough to suggest a good idea Come on, let's go Here is your ear, listening ear If you're tired, you're tired. A few things that they've stated But the comparison arises solely from the desire to want to sympathize, to want to be in one Place and see By the end, my Lakini My own, I have been waiting for you and are completely different from all that and it is diminishing greatly. Okay, so nikonaswali by the time this person arrives I'm sorry, but I cannot assist with that request. Hey, my grandma, I'm calling you Ach, let me just take my life That is, I need juwa, so There is something Is there anything I can do to change this person's mind? Because most of the time it feels like, by the time I want to tell you. Mhmm. By the time the man had arrived, he had already struggled for a long time. have a struggle to the point where I can't reach someone I care about Aneza Trust. And if you are comfortable knowing, I have reached the sun and the dust. So, Anavalio. The fact that the two of you are able to communicate at that level, Be a listening ear, avoid judgment at any cost. Because once you judge, you're diminishing. And once you diminish, I don't know what you're talking about, I have no idea how this came up in the first place. uh... How we approach it is the same way we approach when someone, As I stated before, Mwenyaki like a staff member. Anapitia, ata kama hajafika yo point. Affirm, listen, affirm based on empathy, Not sympathetic, listen, suggest seeing a professional. Because remember as I had said before, There's so much you can do, and yet so little. Don't worry about the extra, you don't know what you're missing. It's not going to end well. So affirm, listen, then consult an expert. Consult an expert. Digital stack deployment is underway. Affirm, listen. If you're watching this episode and perhaps someone has reached out, Please affirm, listen, then refer. There's so much you can do, yet so little. So now, unfortunately, Perhaps a menda kamua and the person has taken their own life. It's sad for the people who are left behind, like family and friends. the effects what effects does There is a key aspect of self-guilt. that comes in, there's a lot of questioning that will Why are you crying, why are you doing this, What did you do that for? I wish I could have listened more. but honestly, in that regard, uh, what You might have known then is not what you know Now at that moment, um, I will suggest The same thing, Afam Afam, listen, suggest to a professional. because there is a lot of therapeutic assistance that will be needed: Kwanzaa, loss, and grief Why However, However, So even to those who are left behind However, Also affirm, listen Then refer them to a professional. Indeed, In affirmation I will repeat, be extremely careful However, You're doing your best. Not to sympathize Indeed. But empathize And I heard a voice Sometimes even if You are doing your best Not to seem as though you don't care In any way possible We want to celebrate When in doubt, it's best to keep it simple and just offer it plainly. Be present and be there for the person. Just offer your presence and be listening here. Just listen. Just listen. Sazengine, let's try our best to show that we are there. With you, we stand with you, right here, right now. And in that process, we have forgotten some of these things, which we should remember. And we are hurting people more without realizing it Sometimes our presence is truly crucial. Be there, listen, find out more Aki说话，Aki继续说 Affirmation based on empathy, not sympathy On the edge of doubt, into the depths of empathy Just be present and don't speak so so so so so they do Yeah. Wow I'm here That is hard That is something we need to learn. We need to unlearn what we know And then put in this new that we didn't know But thank you so much for shedding light on that. Because Listen. If you can't empathize, if you want to sympathize, just listen. Don't sympathize. We're leaving now. Skiza to. Now, there's this challenge, you know, akikuja kwa professional, When you were poor, you were helped, When a man comes, there is work, there is food, there is life. So, in the meantime, I'm feeling tired and stressed. Yes, I do. Um, the services are great, free counseling, Kuna toll line ya Red Cross, kama vile 1199. Kuna Peer BeFriends Kenya, where you can visit their website, get their number and their destination, You simply pay 500 for registration. And the sessions are basically free. As many as you need? That will be between you and your counselor. Okay. But at least you'll have found someone to talk to now. To talk to you. An expert. An expert, yes. Okay. So you've said the Befrienders website is there? Befrienders Kenya Befrienders Kenya Yeah. You register for 500 shillings. Then now you have someone to talk to. To talk to, yes. Okay, wow. Then the other one is the Red Cross, 1199. Thank you so much. But you, there's someone who wants you right now, Someone wants you, someone who has left wants you, I want to get in touch with you, perhaps talk about something. How can they reach you? So you can reach me through My number, 0748415390. Therefore, [email protected] Therefore, Mr. W.D. psych.gmail.com Thus, Mr. W.D. psych.gmail.com Therefore, Mr. W.D. [email protected] Therefore, [email protected] Therefore, Mr. W.D. [email protected] Therefore, Mr. W.D. [email protected] Therefore, Mr. W.D. [email protected] You'll write it down for me so that I can write it here, okay? so at least for the person who wants to get in touch Therefore, therefore, therefore. How sad. It's so sad, but it's happening. Even if you were to fall, you would still be there. Iko. In a way, I guess. You're somewhere, so. Thank you so much. Certainly. Yes. I'm writing this here in case there's someone out there who has a friend or a relative or someone has just approached you You know what? Mimi, by the way, just refer them to These numbers here, zinyo mawana I made a website, at least Therefore. Reduce these cases. You helped us, and we helped you. Me, me, me—change, by the way. I won't be comparing guys. Therefore. Because nasi kupenda is to know. Knowledge we didn't know. At least now you've shed some light. So now we know better. Thank you so much for coming. One takeaway, as before, before we leave. To someone who is thinking about taking their own life. What would you tell them? Um... You're not alone in this fight. Why However, with Indeed, with However, with Yes. We don't have to be alone in this. Yeah, you don't have to be alone. Thank you. So much, yeah, thank you so much, guys, for watching. See you next week for our next episode. Goodbye, goodbye, yes, thank you, asante