Rahul Gandhi Vs CEC: 'Public Impeachment' Drama Delayed? Rain Forces Showdown To Saturday!

Good evening and a very warm welcome. You're watching the Urban Debate on Mirror now. I'm Pratibha Chandran. Thank you for joining us this evening. Here's the India bloc's public impeachment of CEC Gyanesh Kumar has been postponed from today to tomorrow. And what is the reason for this disruption? It is because of the rains in the national capital. It's raining heavily and the opposition leaders have decided that today is not the day. We will be holding this people's impeachment tomorrow. So the opposition's political charge against the poll chief remains firmly on the agenda. The alliance had planned to turn Congress President Malikarjun Kharge's residence into a public forum, bringing together leaders from 20 parties, with the former Lok Sabha Speaker Meera Kumar presiding over the proceedings as well. Kharge was to initiate the motion, while Rahul Gandhi was scheduled to deliver the concluding remarks. But just hours ahead of the event, the opposition took a rain check. Now, Rahul Gandhi announced the postponement of the public impeachment program, citing the impediment to the proceedings due to showers in the NCR. Then he turned the spotlight to the 1st of November rally in Ramleela Maidan. Rahul alleged that the Home Ministry was doing everything possible to stop people from reaching Delhi and challenged the government to watch how many turn up and how many it manages to stop. Press Conference. We have decided to postpone today's program tomorrow at the same time because of rain. We felt that it would be uncomfortable for seniors to sit in the rain and we will do this exact same program tomorrow. The day after we have a march to Ramleela ground. All the opposition, Everybody who wants to come, Political, non-political, social? Service people, civil society people, journalists, I'm sure many of you would also like to come. And the program, both the programs, of course, the Home Minister is trying his best, people from coming into Delhi, trying to ensure that our party members, thousands of people, common people who want to come, from UP, from Bihar, from Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Haryana, all these states, Telangana, Punjab, are being stopped. And they're trying their best. Now you watch, you watch how many people come. But let's also talk about what a public impeachment really means. This is a symbolic political exercise, not a constitutional process under the law. The CEC can be removed only on grounds of proven misbehavior or incapacity through a parliamentary process requiring two-thirds majority in both houses following an inquiry. A public event, however, has no legal force whatsoever. The opposition's aim is to take its charges against Gyanesh Kumar to the public and the BJP was quite quick to dismiss this as a stunt by the opposition accusing the India bloc of mocking the Indian democracy. Mr. Dipaksh, the death of the parliament will happen tomorrow. It doesn't matter. The parliament should come and discuss it in the real world. Mr. Dipaksh, the death of the parliament will happen tomorrow. It doesn't matter. The parliament should come and discuss it in the real world. On the other hand, the constitution is in the hands of the people. Now, is it written about public impeachment in the constitution? So the constitution that is shown, they don't talk about the constitution itself. This is their repeated attitude, their repeated vision. Neither do they believe in the constitution, nor do they believe in democracy. And they don't have a single proof, any documentary proof that this has happened. Apart from making accusations, running away from Vietnam is not politics. If you have made an accusation, then it is also politics to prove it. Now, public impeachment has brought a new narrative. Now there's also another twist in this political confrontation over the India bloc's public impeachment of CEC Gyanesh Kumar. The union minister Kiran Rijiju dug out an old statement of the Rajya Sabha MP and former UPA minister Kapil Sibal from 2011 to counter the opposition. Back then during the Anna Andolan, Kapil Sibal had said that the right to protest does not It does not really mean the right to a particular place. of protest, of choice, your choice of a location. He cited a Supreme Court judgment as well to make his case. And now 15 years later, Kiran Rijiju is invoking those very words and telling the Congress party and its allies to learn from what Kapil Sibal had said back in 2011. Listen in to what his message was. So I think that every... Protest should be in a circle and this protest is totally unconstitutional. There is a right to protest but where you will protest is not a constitutional right. The right to protest does not mean the right to protest at the place of your choice. There is no right to protest at the place of your choice. If you say that I will shut down the roads in the middle of the traffic, I will not let the traffic run, there is no fundamental right, there is no constitutional right. And we are not saying this. There are many Supreme Court judgments in this. Let me give you an example, where it is written in 1973 S.C.C. 227, that the right which flows from 1901 B is not a right to hold a meeting at any place and time. So to say, sir, you have... And now the war of words over the right to protest is also getting sharper. After Kiran Rajivji dug out Kapil Sibal's 2011 remarks to counter what the Congress has been saying now, the Congress MP Pramod Tiwari has also spoken and he says that, again, quoting Kapil Sibal, the union minister should revisit what the late BJP stalwart, Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj had said on peaceful protests. Listen in to these reactions. The Bharatiya Janata Party is not allowed to discuss this in the Parliament. We, the 65% of the people, represent the Vipaksh. Should we sit quietly? Should we let the people be killed? Should we let the vote be stolen? So we have decided that the mock Parliament should be held at the home of the opposition party. In which we will impeach according to the rules. The Chief Election Commissioner, Gyanesh Kumar, Public impeachment. He is the reflection of the sentiments of the people of this country. I would urge upon the Honourable Prime Minister, let us introduce ballot paper because according to him ballot paper suits his party. Let him reintroduce the ballot, we will wholeheartedly support it. Whatever they do, let us make it abundantly clear that on 1st of November, One million people will converge in Delhi. There will be people from the civil society, people whose names have been deleted from the voter list, there will be a parliamentarian, there will be big leaders, everyone will have their own opinion. Look, everything happens in the mock parliament, whatever happens in the parliament, it has to happen. Because this is not something like that, this is public impeachment and it is being done for the public, it is being done on the demand of the public, that you tell the ruling party that they are being cheated, I want to ask the opposition parties to give them justice. While the India Bloc prepares for tomorrow's public impeachment, there's also a parallel political spectacle that unfolded at Delhi's NDMC Convention Centre. Citizens for Democracy's mock parliament turned into a full-blown political slugfest with youngsters playing the roles of leading politicians from both the Treasury and opposition benches. Participant portraying Prime Minister Narendra Modi was also greeted with cheers while the opposition countered with slogans of vote chhori and protests against the SIR. Let's introduce guests joining us this evening to talk about what's expected and What should people expect from this people's impeachment? How is it going to work? And is this an insult to the constitution when we have legal processes, when you have a parliament? We debate that this evening. Dhirendra Tayyar, spokesperson of the BJP, Rajlakshmi Joshi, political analyst. Dr. Nishant Anand, spokesperson of the Congress, Vaibhav Srivastava, spokesperson of the Aam Aadmi Party, and Kapil Srivastava, spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party, join us this evening. Dr. Nishant Anand, I'll begin with you on. What the plans are of the Congress party? A lot of preparations had been made already. It was all set. What happened? I'll start by saying, because I heard your start, this is not multiple protests happening. This is one protest that we all are standing together because we are defending the constitution. We are defending the idea of India. We are defending the book, which is the expression of all Indians. Now, why are we doing this? That is the question. We are doing this because the real parliament is no longer allowed to function as a place of accountability. When the opposition representing nearly... 65% of the voters demand answers on voter manipulation. Our notices are ignored, our microphones are cut, and our leaders are suspended. When the prime minister and home minister routinely skip the parliament, if you remember, he did not enter the parliament session for 22, 23 days. The opposition has a duty to take the house of the people directly to the public. And look at what the election commission has become. It was built to be a neutral referee. Today. Mr. Gyanesh Kumar, Gyanesh Gadhar, it acts like a political wing of the ruling BJP. He's hiding. Today, the 21 parties, I'll make last point, the 21 parties of India Alliance stand united. We demand the removal of CEC Gyanesh Kumar and immediate stop to this flawed voter revision and a return to paper ballots. Dr. Nishant, on one point I want to say, when I said that there's a parallel political spectacle, I was talking about the Citizens for Democracy that also held a show today, a mock parliament. That was by youngsters. I'm not sure that's backed by the opposition. But coming back to the point, my question is, I know what you're trying to do with this people's impeachment. And we'll come to the larger questions first. First and foremost, what I want to understand from you is, What was the reason for postponing it? Because first the opposition said that this is going to be a mock parliament. Then I think there was a rethink and the opposition decided not to call it a mock parliament. Instead, say this is people's impeachment. Then people's impeachment was planned for today. Even that has been postponed. Does it seem like the opposition itself is not serious enough about the issue? What was the reasoning today for it being postponed? And, you know, as a spokesperson of the party, do you agree with rains being cited as the reason for this postponement? Ma'am, if you live in Delhi or NCR, you can see outside it's raining. And when we talk about Member of Parliament coming and sitting over there for an hour or four hours, we do not want senior citizens, people who are above 70, sitting in rain. So that is the only reason it has been shifted to the next day. It has not been cancelled. Now, we need to understand why this impeachment is happening. Because, as we have stated multiple times, the vote belongs to the citizens. Not to the election commission and not to the BJP. Mr. Gyanesh Kumar stepped down or faced the verdict of the sovereign people of India. That is what we are going to show tomorrow. And on the first, see, they don't fix the voter rolls. They send the police. They detain peaceful protesters. They have seized our phones. My phone is seized. And used physical force inside police buses. My message to the ruling party is clear. You can beat a protester with a baton. But you cannot beat the hard numbers on the voter list. Our senior leader, Jairam Ramesh, filed an RTI asking how the ECI net software works. The election commission refused to share the details, citing trade secrets. Since when are voter lists and electoral software have become a private corporate secret? See, you do not hire a software related issues. You talk about, I'll give you five points very quickly. CGI removed from his election panel. Election commissioner given lifetime immunity. We do not have a president of India or a judge of Supreme Court. Amrit Chakhani ka kaam kiya Modi aur Amit Shah ne. It's Kalyug ke andar. Secondly, if you talk about CGI, then how did the election commission get selected first? Earlier also, we didn't have any of these mechanisms. But where were you, Asifji, on the plan that the opposition has made to date being changed? Again, the question comes in on whether the opposition is trying to bypass the constitutional checks for parties that speak about protecting the constitution. Was this the right way to go about it? Yeah, Pratibha ji, I'm listening to what Kapil Sibal is the opening remarks of yours and now I'm listening. Life has become a full circle. And now because we are at the receiving end, we have started that and we know how Congress has brutally treated us. But now BJP is crossing all limits. I have always said that this exercise is a smokescreen for systematic voter disenfranchisement. Pratibha ji, democracy is not about only having elections once in every five years. It rather demands institutional transparency and the public confidence in the overall system as such. As far as Aam Aadmi Party is concerned, we have not, we have distanced ourselves from the Ram Leela Maidan rally. But Pratibhaji, at the same time, we have clearly stated that we are standing with all the efforts of protection of constitution and this electoral democracy. Because it's not about BJP, it's not about Congress, TMC, SP. It's all about instilling the confidence and the exercise. But actually Aam Aadmi Party is also not part of this people's impeachment process, isn't it? It's the overall, we have distanced ourselves with the overall, because it is organized under the India Bloc banner. But Pratibha ji, give me 20 seconds just for a famous incident. I want to bring together the context of Mahabharata, of the Krishna and Shishupal incident, wherein the Krishna has promised the Sishupal mothers that he will forgive the 100 sins of Sishupal. But in the Rajsui Yag, which is organized by King Yudhishthir, what has happened? He started cursing Krishna and after 100 times of Sishupal, Krishna has just been killed. Krishna has just beheaded him. It's all going to happen with the BJP. I am just quoting. This sin has been filled. All the sins have crossed the threshold value. And we have seen what happened currently in the MLC elections. Ayodhya, Lord Ram's blessings had been removed from them. But Mahabharat itself is running between the opposition parties because of which you have not been able to take on the NDA. All right, let me ask Mr. Dhirinder Tayal, but I take your point, you're saying that, you know, there have been on multiple occasions the BJP has been cornered and I take your point that now it's reached a point of no return. Dhirinder Tayal ji, what would you say, what the Abadmi Party has said and of course the Congress Party also now giving its reasons of reign for the impeachment to happen tomorrow? You know, when one heard all this, the kangaroo court being set up and then now being postponed and so on, there's only one word which came to mind, which was Doolooloo. So these guys have gone delusional. Ek Baal Hut. You know, to humor one child who desperately throwing a tantrum, make me the PM. Otherwise, if you don't give me my toy, I'll break other toys in the entire shop. That is what is happening. And which is why a mockery of the parliament is being made. So this is something the kids do, you know, mock United Nations, mock Parliament. This is not something that happens. And to the audacity of it, that you come back and say we're doing it to uphold the democratic and constitutional traditions. You're violating each one of them. Now, the postponement is very interesting. We are the party, the grand old party, which fought for the freedom of this country. Where was everybody else? But mind you, it is raining today. Give me a break. It's raining. What do I do? Let's do it tomorrow. The country is burning. Gyanesh Kumar needs to be removed. But I think it can wait till tomorrow. Today it is raining. I can't be in the rain. I mean, I cannot arrange. I mean, I'm so good. I cannot arrange a chat for my people in the rain, for my leaders, and I want to run this country. That is what I mean. It is really comic. It's really comic. Coming from a person. Who has, by the Supreme Court, questioned, are you really a true Indian? His credentials were, this is not the BJP, this is none of the political parties, it was the Supreme Court which had questioned there. And the point they are making, we are going to hold a public impeachment. I can understand the impeachment word, where is the public? When did the public authorize you? When did you become the public? Because we who are the public, the public has reposed their confidence in us. You've lost 99 elections on the track. The public, you're not the public any longer. So that is why I said it is delusional. Okay. The entire thought. Delulu is the only delulu. Kapishtha Vastavji, has this become the opposition's mantra? Because, you know, when you say people's impeachment process, when you say mock parliament, we already have parliament. These are all MPs who have already been elected by the people. Then what is the need for this mock Parliament or Peoples Impeachment when our laws are making it very clear? What is the outcome you are expecting from this movement? Look, one thing is very clear that when the National Assembly is not going on, then a mock Parliament is being organized. The day it is going to happen, we will give notice to the President 14 days before. And there is no doubt about it. Even though the government is theirs, but 65% of the votes are with the opposition parties. And those who are in alliance with India are there, and those who are not in alliance with India agree on this issue. And they are against the government. So, after all, who do we congratulate? We congratulate those people who voted for us. In order to strengthen our democracy, the articles that are giving us constitutional rights are being mock parliamented on the basis of those rights. There is no court bigger than the public. There are two things. One is the court that you see, which is our court, then there is a court for the public. So, if it's not working there, then we'll make it work here. And we'll make the public feel better. But will the country go on like this? Mr. Kapil, if you don't like it, then we'll bring another parliament. If you don't like any laws, then we'll bring another court. Will the country go on like this? The country is going on as it is. If it's illegal, then let us know. Then we'll say that it shouldn't happen at all. If there is a clause in any act or constitution that you cannot act as a parliamentarian, then please let me know. The effect is so big that we are sitting here and discussing it on national TV. We are discussing it and this is the result. So I want to ask you that when the Lok Sabha elections took place, the result from Uttar Pradesh was that BJP didn't perform as well as it expected to. In fact, the India block performed really well. You were seen celebrating it, Samajwadi Party was patting its own back. At the same time, two days ago, Samajwadi Party was celebrating that they won in Varanasi. Thank It's an indication of things to come in the UP elections. Then on one hand, you talk about vote stealing. Then on the other hand, you celebrate this win. Let's celebrate the win. you You say that this is what is going to happen in UP. So, is this not double standards? very How will this work? If you win, then... So you will say that this is what is going to happen in the U.P. election. If you lose, you will say that it is not acceptable, the vote has been stolen. much. You have asked a very good question. Please give us some time to speak. I am telling you this because, the votes that have been read, they have been read by the ballot. And the ballot has decided that it cannot be so easily that you can do it in the medium. And why am I saying this? The first thing is that he got six seats, the first three he got five. You see how many times we have won these five seats, and how many times he has won these six seats. The seat of Gorakhpur was led by Raghu Yadav, an independent politician. In 42,000 votes, he had increased by 450 votes. I'm Dr. Nishant Anand, it's the Congress starting party in power in Karnataka and you know the Samajwadi to party is saying that it is because of the ballot papers that things seem to have changed completely. speak. Then what happened in Karnataka? Because one of the demands of the Congress and other parties ...is also to return to the ballot. But now in the MLC elections... It was on the teacher's constituencies, all of these constituencies, where one of them, Congress party was also strong and the Congress scored an absolute zero. What explains the result in Karnataka then? I will explain. Thank First, I will start that Shiv ki nagri mein har gaye, Krishan ki nagri mein har gaye, Ram ki nagri mein har gaye, Sangam ki nagri mein har gaye, Bajpa. you Aap toh unke haar ko dekh rahe hain, apne haar ko toh aap dekhi nahi rahe hain, Karnataka bhi aap... Aap dikha rahe hain, aap ne dikha hi nahi humaari hain, very aap jawaab dhunga na aapko. Dekhiye, Pradhan Mantri Modi lost in Varanasi, Rajnath Singh lost, Nitin Nabeen lost, Patna, Nagpur RSS ke gad mein hari, much. RSS ne bata diya Modi nahi rahe maa kiya Biro. Dekhiye, captured commission, we have no problem. We lost one seat in Karnataka, which we held it earlier. RCM replied it back that we will work on it. We accept our defeat and we accept our win in Nagpur also. Try to understand our prime minister constituency. Where he is a member of parliament from 12 years, he has lost. Captured commission. Now why we compare it with EVM. See paper ballot se chanaab hua toh we have seen the reality and we are giving them a challenge. Do all Lok Sabha elections, all coming, upcoming elections by paper ballot. Aap log jeetay hain na paper ballot se. Aajon paper ballot pe we have no problem. See why we say about EVM, Gyanit, SRIR. You know why I am telling the flip flop because there is a Karnataka minister as well, Satish Jarki Holi as well, who also has spoken about the SIR process. If we talk about the SIR process, the Congress Party has said time and again that legitimate voters are being deleted. That's the claim that Congress Party and other opposition leaders have said. Satish Jarkioli, who is the minister of the Congress Party, came on record to say that there were bogus voters for over 50 years. They've now been deleted. And the situation turned on its head so much so that finally he had to come and apologize and say, no, no, my words were taken out of context. That's not what I meant. There are still bogus voters. So Rajlakshmi Joshi. Is this hypocrisy on multiple counts or are these legitimate points that the opposition is raising and maybe on a day when it does not rain, they will be able to raise these issues? Hello Pratibha. You know there are many aspects to everything. Now when you look at it, every time there is a political activity, say maybe a rally or say anything of this sort or a protest maybe. So what you need to see is what exactly is the outcome of it? What exactly is it going to achieve? So right now, what is happening is, this mock parliament or the public impeachment, is it actually going to help in this actual removal of Mr. Gyanesh Kumar? No. Because there is a process, there is a strict process as to how and when he can be removed. So that is not in the hands of the BJP, it's not in the hands of the PM, HM, nor the President, nor the Supreme Court. So there is a process that is a process of actual impeachment in parliament. So if there was any doubt of this kind or if there was any such objection to anything happening, that should have been taken up in the actual proceeding of the Parliament, which did not happen. Now this, I would say yes, the opposition is entirely entitled to all of this and this is exactly how they can connect with the electorate, this is exactly how they need to put their points across. So that is all okay, but I would say that it all ends up in Visual optics. So this is visual optics. I'm not saying right or wrong. I'm saying this is visual optics. Now coming to the actual facts of the matter. Now, just like you said, you know, the public is really confused because, see, Rahul Gandhiji, he comes out and says that the entire electoral rolls, there are a lot of discrepancies, which you and I, we have all noted in the past so many years because we have all seen that, you know, our addresses, there were a lot of problems. There were problems in the spellings, etc., etc. So, and also, there was always this, whoever is in the opposition used to always say that there are a lot of fake voters. So, quite obviously, now this SIR process has happened many times in the past, and it is bound to happen many times in the future as well. So, this was long pending, and this process has been endorsed by the Supreme Court as So now, what actually... Holds water in Karnataka, what is okay in Kerala, the SIR process, all of that seems to suddenly go for a toss when it comes to states where the Congress or the opposition parties are not in rule. So that again, again, that kind of talks about hypocrisy. I would say that Mr. Akhilesh Yadav and Mr. Tejasvi Yadav, when he was in Bihar, They have actually, they have taken a very good step of not really going too much or focusing too much into this EVM thing or the vote-chori thing, because they focused on the issues on ground. Now when they have a major election coming up, focusing on this is not a good thing. In a few months from now, we are going to see elections in all of these states, including in UP, Punjab. And is the opposition... Picking the wrong battle by protesting in the national capital about an issue like this at a time when they should be working on ground. That's also an issue I want to talk about because today, even as we speak, Amit Shah was in Lucknow. He held meetings with the BJP Karyakartas and the BJP has very clearly started the preparation in UP. Now, why I want to talk about this is when you are an opposition facing a government that is accused of being 24-7 in electioneering mode. That's what the opposition has accused the BJP of doing. That at all times, the BJP is in election mode. Now, there is no law against it. The BJP does that working 24-7 or whatever the narrative the BJP wants to play. On the other hand, should the opposition be able to put up a front that they are also putting up a fight? And Vaibhav Tavasav, I want to ask you here, because it's not just a perspective that has been created about the BJP of being a 24-7 election machine. You know, you are a party that has been born from the Anna movement as well. In Anna movement as well, when it was going on, I'm sure no day was taken as an off saying that it's going to be raining today. Today, in fact, Anna Hazare was sitting on the protest. There were... So much, there were rains, there were police deployment, water logging, the grounds had turned into mud and yet Anna Hazare continued to protest there. So when the opposition says that this is a sangharsh, this is a fight we need to fight now, does it mock its own movement, Vaibhav, when it says that it's raining today so we'll come tomorrow for the issue? Shouldn't we? I think, categorically speaking, it should be every time and every moment should be utilised to bring down ECI and particularly BJP. But at the same time, Jatiba, I also want to point the hypocrisy which BJP and certain media segments is holding. What is the hypocrisy from the day when BJP is saying traders are facing losses, there will be no any permission to hold the protest, to the rally, to any of the walk, any of the march ahead. What has happened day before? In the state, in the Chandni Chowk, where the hub of the market association, the market, the traders, BJP, along with thousands of his protestors have marched the rally. However, the traders are giving them gali. Eventually, the Chandni Chowk traders, because they have just looted them, their time is ruined, their business is ruined. And now they have the audacity and the morality to talk to the opposition and just saying that they cannot hold it. And they have planted four or five traders from their Bihar and writing the letters that traders are facing losses. Why they are mocking themselves when they are holding the protest and no media is and particularly I'm not talking about your channel but no majority of the media is not raising the eyebrows and the segments and questioning the BJP why they are double standards as far as the protest is concerned. No, we have questioned the BJP also. No, the point is I'm not talking about your channel. The point of the Congress party on that but if you want I'll take a response from Dheerendra Tayalji also on the same. The opposition has accused. The others also coming out in support of the BJP, including the traders who have, in fact, today even written to Sonia Gandhi and they have said that postpone it. Why are the rules different for the BJP versus for the Congress when they call for a protest? So the rules are not different at all. It is your seriousness. I mean, look, we are at the verge of Diwali. Now to say that, you know, some people have been propped up. I mean. You are the kind of people who have been propped up because you are so few anyway. Now, let's understand. Rahul Gandhi says, no, the rally will be on the 1st. It cannot be postponed by 4 days. But today it is raining. Today's thing can't be postponed. What is your seriousness level? You are willing to ruin everybody's business, but you can't stand a few drops of rain. This is what you're talking about. No! No! The other thing they're talking about is, you know, you yourself said BJP is a machine, 24-7 machine. Yes, running the country, when we are taking the responsibility of running the country, it is serious business. It is not a hobby to be indulged in between international vacations in Thailand and Vietnam. We can't just land up and say, okay, I've arrived, where are the elections? And today also, this is what is being said, ki mere hesaab se election kijiye na, Gyanesh Kumar ko hata dijiye, empire meri choice ka hoga, ballot paper hoga, no, I am going to lay down, and please, please, please, you will not contest, only my people will contest. It is, that is not the way it is going to work. Kaam chori nahi kijiye, board chori nahi ho rahi, lekin aap kaam chori kar raha hai. That is the basic problem that is happening. What Dr. Nishant said earlier, that was an interesting story. He sounds like a stand-up comedian to me. He doesn't sound like a spokesperson, official spokesperson. He sounds like a stand-up comedian. No, he doesn't make sense to me. So I will answer, you mentioned one point that BJP is... I'll tell you what his point was as well that, you know, this is a full time work and they have accused the Congress party of not taking the issue seriously. We know that this is the full time work that's how they have manipulated, misused the EVM from purchasing to MLAs and MPs. Eating the alliance partners, you understand, captured commission, compromised from Anil Masih Chandigarh to modify rules, no CGI, no CCTV, no accountability. See, lakhs of people are headed to Delhi on November 1st to ask one question, who stole their vote? And that's a referendum that BJP government should actually be losing sleep over, not MLC reserved or Amish Raji is in Lucknow, we know how you have made your In West Bengal, Bihar, Haryana, Maharashtra, CGI removed from the selection panel. Pratibha, ECI gets lifetime immunity. Anil Masih caught on CCTV in Chandigarh election. We do not have the answers. 4,000 EVMs are burned. This is their serious politics. Haryana Panchayat result, hear me out. Haryana Panchayat result changed. After the EVMs checked in the Supreme Court, CCTV law amended after the court. Ask for the footage. Now, see the press note by Election Commission on 26th of September 2026. They claim that Supreme Court approved form 6 changes. Now, they have denied in their affidavit. See, the point is that the thief has been caught. After taking him out of the house, the public, be it the road, the parliament, the parliament, the debates, everywhere, they are not worthy of showing their faces. We want to tell Modi ji and the BJP people that this country won't work. These are the destroyers of democracy. Okay, all right. Now we're coming to a close on this discussion. I want to take closing thoughts and a retort from Dhirendra Tayal ji also on that. It's late but is it right? Will there be a protest tomorrow or will there be a people's impeachment tomorrow? Now this person, now he had the audacity to call the chief election commissioner Gaddar. Let us get into the data of the previous election commissioners. Sukumar Sen, his brother, was given, made an MP by Congress. They were on their payrolls. R.K. Trivedi was appointed as a governor. Ramadevi was appointed as a governor. T.N. Session was given the Congress ticket against L.K. Advani. As MS Gill was made a member of the Rajya Sabha, Naveen Chopra's family trusts were given money by the parliamentarians. This is the kind of parliamentary tradition that they were following. The man has no clue as to why the Chief Justice was there in the first place, which was an interim arrangement, and he has no clue as to what was happening prior to the committee being there. No doubt, CJ, I was not part of the election commission selection before, but I want to ask you, Dhirendra Talji, on the claim that Rahul Gandhi has made as well, today as well, he has said that the Home Ministry has taken all efforts to ensure that people don't turn up for the November 1st rally. The opposition leaders have also united for this march. We saw the massive turnout in the first protest as well. So I want to ask you, is the BJP, is the government Is the government scared? Massive protests being planned by the opposition? If the protests and these things were so massive, why would they run away from rain? Earlier I used the word delusional, now this is delusion of persecution. Earlier it was delusion of grandeur, now it is delusion of persecution that they are suffering from. And they demanded in the parliament, Amit Shah should come and speak. And one day before that, Kiran Rajiv said, he will come tomorrow, don't run away. And they ran away, they didn't have the guts to face him. If they have the guts, The party is willing to discuss this in the parliament. Come to the parliament, we discuss it there. But you don't have the guts to do it, to go to the place where the people have sent you. You want to just make a mockery of things in your own house and feel happy playing your own ludo. But they say that Rahul Gandhi is not being allowed to speak in parliament. The opposition is not being allowed to speak. And that's the reason why they have to hold such a people's impeachment. I will give you data. Lok Sabha worked just for 19%. And the statement immediately on finishing of the monsoon session was, Congress credits Opposition unity for successful monsoon session. So what were they needing? If it works only for 19% and they say it was a success, which means their only aim was anarchy and disruption, which they claim to have achieved, they never wanted to speak. Okay, Chilly, people are looking at everything that's happening and tomorrow, this weekend actually, tomorrow and the day after that is going to be very, very crucial. The opposition is going to be united. Even if the BJP dismisses it, let's see what the turnout is going to be. And of course, the electoral tests are also going to continue. No doubt, more transparent electoral roll is in the interest of the entire nation. We leave our debate there. I'm thanking all our guests for joining us this evening. Good night.