Jennifer Lawrence does a really good Robert De Niro impression. Amy hangs with the actress and talks about how millennials will save the world, what her job would be on ‘Below Deck,’ and whether she could beat Emma Stone in a race.
Host: Amy Poehler Guests: Justine Ciarrocchi and Jennifer Lawrence Executive producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-Berman For Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel Lovell For The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson and Aleya Zenieris; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat Spillane Original Music: Amy Miles
Jennifer Lawrence joins the \"Good Hang\" podcast for a candid series of conversations. She discusses her professional evolution from a teen discovery to a producer and aspiring director, her philosophy on fashion and body image, and the realities of motherhood. The dialogue blends deep reflections on fame and authenticity with lighthearted anecdotes about her personal life and pop culture.
Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today, Jennifer Lawrence.
Jen and I, we have a good time, man. We laugh a lot in this episode and we talk about a lot
of great things. Her incredible career, the surprising parts of parenthood, her long torso,
my short legs. And we do what we always like to do here in Good Hang, we sing along to Shania Twain.
But before we get started, we want to talk to somebody who knows our guest, who can speak
well behind her back and give me a question to ask this guest. And we are joined by Justine
Shiraki. Justine is a producer. She runs Excellent Cadaver, the production company
that's produced films like Causeway and Die My Love. And her and Jen have been friends forever.
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last. Hey girl. Hi. I'm really happy to talk to you today because, I mean, I think
the stuff that you guys have done together is really, really special, but also you just
shared a long history together as people in the world and friends. Well, that's very generous
of you to say. And obviously we've been enormous fans for a hundred years. So it's like such an
honor to talk to you. And I'm like pinching myself and she is too, that she's coming on the podcast.
Oh my God. She's so good at podcasts. I mean, she's so good at talking.
That's, that's her ----. Now, before we start talking about Jennifer,
I do want to talk about you. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware.
I actually think we have Aubrey Plaza in common. I grew up with Aubrey and did community theater
with her. Like my entire childhood. Yes. Yes. You guys went to the same school,
like you were in the same town. Yeah. We went to the same elementary school and we both
were in community theater at the Wilmington Drama League, an esteemed venue for like most of our,
most of our childhood. Oh my gosh. What was baby plaza like?
Exactly the same as adult plaza. Yeah.
Hasn't changed a bit. The greatest, the greatest. That's so, what a small world. And so the two of
you are like, they're doing shows and, and, and performing. And then where,
where does that take you after you graduate? I didn't really know where I would fit in film.
And so I, you know, took a bunch of odd jobs and, and explored. And during that period, I met Jen.
And what was your first impression of her when you met?
Oh, my first impression of Jen was that she was a wild beast. And also that she had,
because Jen didn't have like a traditional education. She also swerved a lot of the like
social anxiety that I think a lot of people our age had been plagued with. So Jen had this like
abandon and lack of self-consciousness that was really unfamiliar to all of our friends.
So we were sort of like wide-eyed by her. And I think that that's something that she
still possesses all these years later. It's something that she hasn't outgrown or, you know,
she's, she's never, yeah, she's, she has not become jaded by her totally surreal lifestyle.
So how do you go from two young women, like sitting on a couch in a small LA apartment
to running this big company and making these big movies? Like, how does that work?
Oh, man. I mean, it's a loaded question. I think that we met as young women and
obviously developed our taste together. We were discovering film together. Everything from
Wong Kar Wai to Sex and the City, you know, like it ran the gamut. And I also think that we
became best friends. And so what we, we care about similar things. We're moved by similar
things. We have similar reactions to life and what's happening in the world. And that really
is the basis for our decision-making around what we take on as producers. So I think the obviously
like extraordinary happenstance of Jen, Jen's young success and her being in this
incredible position to get things made. And then Jen and I continuing to like care for our
relationship and continuing to grow together. And so I think The Odyssey has involved
a ton of hard work and care and all the things you would imagine. And also us
continuing to grow and being excited to elevate each other.
And also I loved Causeway.
Oh, thank you.
Such a beautiful movie. I want to talk to Jen about it. I just, it's just a great,
great movie. Beautiful director, Lila.
Oh, we love Lila.
Brian is so, Brian Tyree Henry's so good. Jen is so convincing as the character that she plays,
like a physically and kind of spiritually wounded vet who's returning home. It's so good.
Such a good movie.
It's always so nice to see Jen in those roles where the kind of like stripped back,
quieter performances where it's so much of it is just happening in her eyes, you know?
I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't know how to act like that.
Like, I mean, we were kind of talking about,
we were talking about interviewing her and we were like, and you know,
it's hard not to be like, you're so good at acting.
But she is so good at acting.
She's good. That's pretty ******* good.
Are there times when you're watching her and you're like, damn, she's really good at acting?
Every time, every time. Like I've sat on probably 11 sets with Jen
and every time my mind is just like blowing out of my face. I'm like still,
like it does not get old. She just levels up every time.
You know her really well. You know, sometimes we, we ask people to talk well behind our guests back
and they've worked with them or they kind of know them, but you have, you know her really,
really well. You've known her for a really long time and you're deep partners in, in,
in work and you're loving friends in life. And what do you think I should ask her today?
What do you want to know about, hear about,
or what do you think she'd want to talk about or a story she'd want to tell?
Man, I mean with Jen, it's funny because she is so, um, like transparent in the spaces.
Like I don't think that she's somebody who, or there are like a ton of subjects that are off
limits. Well, it's okay. This is really helpful because I've been prepping for the interview
and I don't want to put her in an uncomfortable position ever to ask her something she doesn't
want to talk about, but she also feels really, um, well aware of what she feels comfortable
talking about, I guess. Um, I think she is. And I think she'll also like tell you,
like, I think that she, I think like she'll pivot if she needs to.
You never have to answer a question if you don't want to answer it. And it is,
and it's a magic trick to not answer it. And people often forget that what question they asked.
I mean, this isn't a good thing to tell a guest probably. This is probably not a good thing to
get. But anyway, do you have, it doesn't have to be a heavy question. It can be something small,
anything that you think we should ask her today? I mean, gosh, like maybe because she's in a
position of constantly being asked questions and she is never in charge of what is being asked.
Like maybe it's asking her, like, what would you like to talk more about that you don't feel?
Whoa, that's a good friend.
Opportunity to declare, you know, maybe, maybe she has a big announcement or just something
that she'd like to like reflect on. You know what? That's a really good friend
because what you're basically saying is just check in with her and see if there's anything
else she wants to talk about. Yeah. It's so true. She like is tired of talking about, you know,
that too. Yeah. What are you, what do you want? It's basically like you're at the
TSA and it's like, what do you want to declare and what perishables would you like to get rid of?
Totally. Yeah. Well, no, but thank you so much. And I'm, I will give your best to Aubrey Plaza.
I like picturing you guys being weird together in Wilmington. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the
right picture. Justine, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you
for having me. Of course, Jen. All right. Nice talking to you. See you later. Okay. Take care.
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details. Jen. Hi. My voice was so deep. Hi. I'm very excited that you're here. I'm so excited to
be here. I am a really, really huge fan. Oh, come on. I am. Say more. No, I'm obviously being
sarcastic. Well, I was worried about what to wear today because your style is so dope. Thank you.
You have a great style. Oh my God. That's the only thing you need to say to me.
And what is your, I want to know, how do you pick clothes? What is your relationship to clothes?
Okay. Thank you so much. Um, we'd love to talk about this. I'll just,
because I'm fascinated because I'm struggling with mine.
Um, I, well, I have a, I have very opinionated friends, one in particular, very opinionated
friend. And we, I do, I do a lot of closet cleanouts. I think living in New York helps
with that. I don't have a lot of excess stuff that confuses me. I have things that I really
like. Do you think about, do you plan your outfits for the, I mean, obviously with press,
it's different outfits for the week. I do it like mentally. I like start kind of planning
something and I, I take my kid to school and I know that I'm going to get photographed. Right.
So I, I do kind of do like a mental. Yeah. Like, like what do I, how do I want to present today?
No, no. Cause, cause the answer is always the same today. I want to present as like effortless,
but you know, like, I don't even know what I put on. Um, and you know,
what else is really important to remember? Tell me you can write it down. I'm ready.
Big goes with big. Okay. And if it's going, if it's going to be, if it's no, but if it's going
to be, if it's going to be tight, if you're going to have a baggy and a tight, you cannot ever have
tight on the bottom baggy on the top. Or you'll look like a lamp. You can have baggy on the bottom
and tight on the top, but you cannot do the other way around. I'll tell you something about baggy on
the bottom. I wore a baggy on the bottom for you today. You did. Yeah. I'll show you later. I've,
I've baggy pants. Um, I'm so sure it's like, it's tough. Yeah. It's tough. It's tough to
go baggy on the bottom, but I have short legs, but a really long torso. Yeah. And big, thick,
meaty arms. So, okay. So long torso. I see then that silhouette, you know, your silhouette,
I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I mean, you got great knowing is not loving style. I mean,
I, and I, and, and like you, like, I'm always just looking to see how women are dressing,
like not, not like just truly like, how do we not just the style. I try to take mental notes
when I see something and when I actually feel comfortable, it feels like such a win to wear
something that you feel like you look good in and you also feel good in. It's like a hard thing.
Yeah. You feel like you're like representing yourself accurately. Yeah. Yeah. Or the worst
thing is like when you're like, I think I nailed it. You see the picture years later. I'm not even
years later. Oh my God. You're like, I remember feeling really good. Yeah. I had that recently
because I was postpartum, but I was like, but I, but I had like in my, with my second, I had like
bad postpartum. So like I wasn't eating. So I felt really skinny, but I wasn't inside. I was like
strapless. Let's do this. And my baby was like three weeks old. I mean, you like a lot of people
like we're working through a lot of your pregnancies. And that's also a weird thing too,
because you're like, your, your body is kind of, you're like bringing your body along for the ride.
Well, I was surprised more people haven't talked about how skinny I am. And I, my love,
because I'm pregnant and I've been waiting. Nobody's like, wow, you were pregnant. You looked
so skinny. Like I've never had a nozempic rumor. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet, honey. Not yet. After
this, after this, we're going to take this frame and we're going to squeeze it down.
No, but it is true. It's like, no, but I, I, I love what you've been talking about. We're going
to, we have so many things to talk about today. And I just want to start by saying, this is what
I've gleaned from meeting you briefly and feeling like I, and I know people who know you really well
and just like, I don't want to talk about them. I'm best friends with your mom.
You seem, and I know it's going to sound cheesy, but you like women.
Oh yeah. I know, but I do.
You do. And it shows.
Well, what do you think? I like love white men. Oh my God. If I could just be their champion.
They're so misunderstood.
You're always like, wait, think about the other side.
Not all men. I have it tattooed.
No, but you know, you, you, and the reason why to me, it's not what you say. It's not what one says
is what they do and what you do all the time that I think women do for each other is you, like you
tell the real, real behind something like you, you, you, you talk about like, this was difficult
or I'm thinking about this or like you basically, I think when people stay mysterious, it's like a
disservice to other women. It's just like, okay. You know, and you do this thing that I really
appreciate that comes through, which is you're trying to be honest in real time and trying to
connect. And I think that's, I think that's what women do for other women when they like women.
That's the best way to say it. And so like today, when I was thinking about our interview, I was
like, I've been really hearing you talk about how you're trying to figure out the balance between
who do I want to be and what, like what parts of me do I want to give out to the rest of the world
and what parts do I want to keep for myself, which feels like very like thirties.
Totally.
Where are you at right now with the balance of that? Because you are so famous and so real.
Oh, thank you.
And those two things are not always the case.
Right. I think that I, when I do press, I should do half than what normal people do.
Cause I see my quotes and they like, they're insane. Like, like Jennifer Lawrence calls
Kourtney Kardashian annoying. Like it's just too, you know?
Yeah. It's you're right. It's, it's, but it carries.
It carries, but it's well, first of all, honestly, it's funny because it's, you're so funny.
Thank you.
And the third piece of the puzzle I'll say is that you're very,
you feel like a real person. You're very ironic.
You've had your hand on my knee this entire interview. It's,
and it's a long stretch. You have a really long arm.
These pants are baggy.
No, you're, you're, you're famous and erotic and real and deeply funny.
Like genuinely funny.
That's like coming from you. You're my hero.
Dude. But I don't say that to everybody. And, you know, God is fair. Like
usually you don't have all those things going at once. Usually you have like,
very like important, interesting actor. Who's like really good at acting, but maybe like,
you know, maybe not the funniest, or you have a deeply funny person who you wouldn't maybe
believe in a scene, but you can do both.
Oh, thank you. I could do this all day.
Well, I'm glazing as the kids like to say.
What's is that what they say?
You don't know.
Well, you've got teenagers.
What do you want to know about teens? I know everything. You have two boys. I have two boys.
I'm I, you know, I missed my window to really ask about six, seven. I know that it's like.
It's over now.
I know I've missed the window. So I don't even care anymore.
Actually, anything that we know is over.
Right. By the time it gets to like your mom.
Yeah. Like if the New York Times is writing about it, it's, it's been over.
Okay.
Like no one's saying it anymore, but to explain.
I really, really liked boots.
Like, like.
Like instead of period boots, but that's from drag race.
I'm deceased boots.
Like, yeah, like, like, well, like period end of boots.
Right. I feel like period still around here.
I feel like you're supposed to replace it with boots.
I think, or that's just a gay culture thing.
I don't actually know.
Yeah, we could.
I have a laptop. We could look it up.
We could spend the entire GPT.
Hello.
Young culture, just gay monoculture.
But I'm asking for.
But what is it?
But you're in your mid thirties now.
You are.
I bet you're starting to feel just just what you just expressed, which is like.
Oh, old.
Oh, yeah.
But it's weird, right?
Because you're you do not feel old in your.
One does not really feel old in their twenties.
My assistant is 23.
OK.
And so like I was doing like a closet clean out yesterday and she was like,
oh, my God, these are like real skinny jeans.
Like it was like an artifact.
She was like, wow, they really do go in at the bottom.
And I'm like, and we were talking about baby mama.
And I'm like, so funny, so funny.
She was like, that was probably like the first comedy I ever saw.
And I was like, how old were you?
Seven.
You're a millennial.
Yeah.
Like mid millennial.
Like, I don't know when it begins or ends, but I was born in 90.
You know, there's this I feel like you would like this, but we'll probably cut it.
But there's this book that I'm obsessed with called The Fourth Turning,
and it's all about how 80 years of history just keep repeating itself.
And we're getting at the end of the chaos era, which makes sense.
Right.
For the past like 20, whatever years.
But it's like each generation throughout the years have come forward to save
like, you know, different eras from peril.
And the millennials are going to be the heroes in the next good luck.
Oh, that sounds so hard.
I'm so tired.
But I believe in you and I wish you the best of luck.
I was hoping that these kids would save us.
No, it's you guys.
And I feel like that makes sense because we've really, you know, I'm Gen X.
Everybody like really gave it to millennials and like rolled their eyes at how
well parented they were, how blah, blah, blah.
We just like thought that they were.
And I think they're going to really show us they're going to save things.
So chop, chop.
OK, all right.
Thanks so much.
Yeah, it is funny when you see like what gentle parenting is going to.
Yeah.
Do.
Yeah.
But OK, speaking of gentle parenting, this is a good segue.
I want to get to you go from I'm blown away by the story, and I'm sure you've
told it before, but I just need to know the details, which is Louisville.
You're on a trip to New York with your mom.
Yeah.
And a guy comes up on the street and says, can I take your car?
Yeah.
Tell us the story.
Well, he took.
OK, I will tell you the story.
And I just I feel like I'm lying.
OK, it's an amazing story.
OK, but it's it's it is the truth.
But it's just one of those.
I'm like a woman.
So I feel like I have to, like, apologize.
And then I'm like, I was in New York.
I'm sorry for spring break.
And I was watching street dancing in Union Square.
Oh, never seen that before.
Not a lot of street dancing in Louisville.
And a man named Daniel, who is a talent scout, came up to to me and my mom and was like,
can I take her picture?
I'm like a model scout.
And we were just like, cool.
OK, you know, no sense of danger.
Yeah.
If he had told us to meet him at a hotel room, we 100 percent would have totally.
And and then he took my picture on the street.
Joe Jonas actually wore the picture on his T-shirt at a concert one time.
And it was the first time I had seen that picture since it happened.
How did Joe Jonas get it?
That's so weird.
I've since seen it.
I don't really know what to do with it.
I'm not going to, like, print it out.
And so then I went and started being interviewed by, like, modeling agencies.
And what was becoming, like, really apparent was like, if you're a model, you're a model.
Like, if you're a model, you're traveling.
You're not acting like there's no commercials.
There's no, you know.
So somewhere in those interviews, I decided that I would only sign with an agency that
would also let me act.
Even though it hadn't been like an actual.
Did you know any actors growing up?
Did you think you would do that as a job?
No, never.
Wow.
But then once it kind of, like, was brought up as a possibility, I mean, I did.
I would always watch, like, Hilary Duff, like, when I got home from school.
And then I would, like, do Hilary Duff, like, in the mirror.
So it kind of all came together.
But it is really random that someone came up and was like, hey, kid, throw this pitch.
And you, like, have the most amazing fastball.
You're so good at acting.
Oh, thank you.
And the fact that someone was like, hey, do you want to go do this acting thing?
I mean, I guess it was through modeling, but like, they were like, hey, you.
I mean, it's so wild.
It's a needle in a haystack kind of moment.
Do you think you would have pursued it if that didn't happen?
I don't think so.
I don't think I would have been aware that that was possible.
Although, like, being in the big city, I was like, oh, I want to live in a.
I want to live here.
I want to live in a big city.
Yeah.
Like, you know, when you look back at your life sometimes and you see, like, Christmas
cards where people say, like, you know, hope you make it to New York someday.
And you think, like, did you ever feel like you had that version of like, I want to get
out of Louisville?
I want to go somewhere else.
Yeah, I think like when it was happening, I think like, I mean, I really wasn't there
for that long.
When I think about it, like 13, 14, that's normally like before you even start getting
those like.
Yeah.
So once I came back, it was just like an impossible fever.
It was just like, I got to get back there.
I got to do what I got to, you know, and I had made money.
I used to train horses and I would babysit.
So I had like $3,000.
So I was like, I'm getting out of here.
Let's get out of here.
You trained horses?
Wow.
You prove my point that I feel like women and young girls that like horses usually have
great hair.
Wow.
Always.
I don't know.
I have a bunch of theories.
And one of them is that if you like horses, it makes your hair grow really thick.
Oh, my God.
You know what?
A friend of mine, every time she's on mushrooms, thinks that I look like my little pony.
You have fantastic.
This is for you, Rachel.
This is for you, Rach.
Are you rolling right now?
Because your mind is going to be blown.
Yep.
But when I was looking at your life and career and I was kind of blown away by how much stuff
happened so fast and young in the years of like 19 to 22.
Yeah.
That was a lot.
That's why I was so emotional over those skinny jeans.
They were my 23-year-old rag and bones.
Yes.
And that was a tender time.
It was.
Because you were how old?
What year were you?
2012?
2012, 2013.
Because you did Winter's Bone, a beautiful movie, incredible performance when you were 19.
Then you do SNL close to that time, too.
Like the following year, maybe?
Did I?
Yeah.
20.
Yeah.
Because it was before the Oscars for Silver Linings.
And Winter's Bone, I remember being too young to drink.
I did.
But at the Oscars.
And what were your memories of doing SNL at that time?
Skewed, skewed, skewed, skewed.
I've read.
You weren't on the cast then.
No, 2012.
I had left in 2008.
And then by 2012, I was doing Parks and Rec.
Okay.
I don't, I think I have to, I have to go back and do it again because I had walking pneumonia.
I was like under a lot of pressure and doing a lot.
And I was shooting one of the Hunger Games movies.
I was shooting, I think the second one while doing all of this campaign.
And I would have to like fly, go to a party, shake hands, and then land and, you know,
shoot like for me.
But I was very tired.
And so I think I was just, I remember I was also at that bad age.
I don't know if other people were like this at this age, but we're like, you know, when
you, you get asked, like, can you do any impressions or anything?
And I was like, no.
Yeah.
You know, like, I don't want to be like, and I can do this and I can do that.
I just kind of made everything like everybody else's problem.
I was like, I don't know how to do that.
I can't do that.
Totally.
I know.
And, and also, I mean, it's, it's hard to be young and on that show.
It's just hard.
But your relationship to comedy, what is it like now?
Do you want to make more, do more, direct more, write more?
I would love, I wrote a comedy.
You did?
And I would love to direct it.
And I'll star in it.
Oh my God, you should.
Thank you.
And No Hard Feelings was great.
You were hilarious in it.
Thank you.
It was such a good movie.
I did not write and direct that one.
Although I guess I could tell people that I did.
I always could.
People don't listen.
They don't pay attention.
After I wrote and directed No Hard Feelings, I, it really got me thinking.
But thank you.
I had a lot of fun doing it.
And you want to direct as well.
Yeah.
Right on.
Yeah.
Great.
I mean, everybody does, you know.
I think that's true.
Like, I feel sometimes people are not into it, but I feel like, I mean, are you finding
that like having worked now and done a lot of stuff now that you're realizing like,
oh, I want more control in what I, what I do and how I like to work.
But I also, I had my first movie ever was a female director.
And then I actually ended up working with more female directors than male directors.
So as a teenager, it was like really not formidable.
Formidable?
Yeah.
Formidable.
Forming.
Formidable.
It was a farming culture for me.
That made me like realize.
I got to get this word.
It's formidable.
No, it's like formative.
Formative.
Informative.
Well, it's a formative.
What I mean is like formative.
Is that what it is?
Formative.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Formative.
Something that relates to formation or development is shaping and influencing something else.
That is precisely what I mean.
Yeah.
We did it.
So it was formative that I realized that that was even like possible for me to do it.
So I had wanted to do it since I was a teenager.
So then when I went into movies in like my twenties and now.
Yeah.
I always tell the director and then they include me.
And a lot of them have been really nice and like included me in the process and let me see like
post and all that stuff.
What is, what's important for you when you work?
Like what, what's the thing you like to do?
For example, like, do you feel like once I'm on set, I want to escape and just like
dive in and I want some other people to handle the stuff.
Do you like to, do you like the logistics of the work?
Yeah.
I do like the logistics.
You do.
Yeah.
Like you like a call sheet and you like knowing what's going to happen.
Yeah.
But I think that's like, that's a woman's brain.
Yeah.
You know, it's just, it's really my producing partner and I have been on sets together since
we were 21 and we **** up a call sheet.
I mean, we, and when I have like a friend that's going to go do something, I'm like,
send me your call sheet.
I'll get you two days.
Um, we just know how to make it make sense.
We, it's, it's divine.
Okay.
So I like the logistics.
I also, I need to connect and have friends immediately.
Like I got to dive in and find, you know, the camera guys, the, like, I got to find
like who my, you know, people are going to be.
That's so interesting.
You got to, yeah.
Cause you're like, we're going to be.
Which is not a photo shoot.
Right.
Photo shoot.
I don't want you to talk to me.
I just want, I just want.
Totally agree.
I just want it to be over as fast as possible.
And it's just, all of it's so embarrassing.
You know, like put your hand like this.
Or if you're considered a funny person, the worst part is they're like, we have a bunch
of props.
Oh no.
We have clown shoes for you, you ******* clown.
Put on the shoes, you ******* clown.
But it's so true.
I mean, I've been in many shoes where like a chill goes down just when they're like,
just, it's always a whisper.
There's a bunch of fun props.
If you want to play with them at any point.
If you want to play with them like you're a baby.
Oh no.
It's like a giant lollipop and a rubber chicken.
Yeah.
Like that's not going to come naturally to me.
Like if you want me to pull on the rubber chicken, I will, but you have to direct me
to pull on it.
And the other thing is like, we have a really fun idea.
You have all this barbecue sauce on your face.
Like it's always, it's always like, we're going to humiliate you.
Yeah.
And you're going to just, you're going to smile your way through it.
You're such a good time.
Right.
Oh, okay.
No, mine aren't that bad.
I'm kind of shocked to hear that.
I mean, well, I'm not shocked.
I mean, obviously.
They're just like, we were thinking you wouldn't wear a bra for this.
And I'm like, I've had two children.
And they're like, no, they're like, but me.
You want me to show you something?
Come here.
I'm going to show you something.
All your fingers are just flashing.
Yeah.
Because a good hang, we're always looking for a good hang.
I have questions I want to ask you.
I want your opinion about things.
Oh, okay.
I want your hot takes.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
No problemo.
I know, you like to give hot takes.
Yeah.
And I want, and these are important things.
Okay.
I got to take it easy on the housewives though.
I always get, I get like.
Okay, I'm going to tell you something about, I don't know that much about housewives.
Okay.
No, no, no.
It's fine.
I mean, that's good.
But you like below deck.
Yeah, I do.
First question.
If you were on below deck, what would you want your job to be?
Which, which of the jobs?
Oh, a stew.
Chief stew?
Well, no, no, no.
I would go into that laundry and I'd **** that laundry up.
I'd put a podcast in.
I'd steam, I'd fold.
I'd have a system.
I'd have a color-coded system.
I know what I mean.
People never want to go down into the laundry and below deck.
And it's like, why?
You don't have to talk to any of the people.
You're there by yourself.
Yeah.
I'm alone.
And again, I would put one ear pod in.
I'd listen to some murder and I'd just ******* **** that ---- up.
It'd be so satisfying.
Yeah.
And also doing like, doing turndown would be one of the most satisfying.
Getting the lines in the vacuum perfectly.
Do you have like, are you of earth sign?
What's your, what, you've got like a, um.
I'm a Leo.
Oh, so, okay.
So you've got, but you have a lot of grounded.
You like organizing.
You like straight things, straightening.
No, I'm not organized.
Does your house meet?
Well, I mean, my, if you look at my bedside table
and then you look at my husband's bedside table.
Okay.
Mine is an explosion.
Pills everywhere.
I mean, I look like I'm dying.
Littered with pills.
Like, what's, what is her malady?
And my husband's is like just a bottle of water.
Yeah.
Okay.
But you like.
But I do, I, I get, I get satisfied once it's like time to clean up.
You like a good, you get like a good system.
Yeah.
That makes sense to me.
And then, okay.
Another question is, do you have a nickname?
Fluffin, Nitro, Boobs.
Boobs Lawrence, the full government name.
Um, Nitro.
Yeah.
Where did Nitro come from?
My brothers.
Cause I was really hyper and they called me Nitro.
Um, I love that you.
Oh, and my friends call me Ken from the Barbie movie.
Cause I'm just Ken.
I think it's their way of calling me stupid.
And whenever I have something stupid, they're like, she's just Ken.
Um, you're, you have two older brothers.
Yeah.
And what was it like growing up?
Like with older brothers?
Do you feel like there's a thing that happens to like,
what's the good part about having two older brothers?
Is there one?
Um, there, I mean, I, I mean, they were great.
They were really protective, you know, not with themselves.
Cause they were, they were like, you know.
I mean, did it make you like tough?
Yeah.
I think it made me tough.
As the mother of sons, I will say, and you're, you're gonna eventually notice this too,
because you had brothers, the way boys and young boys talk to each other.
Like you're, you're going to, it's used to it.
In fact, I find myself doing.
I do too.
And that's kind of a love language.
Like when I've noticed the way that you interact with people that you work with,
it also feels like you turn people into brothers.
Like it feels like, I think I do.
Josh Hutcherson was a brother.
It feels like Robert Pattinson feels like a brother.
Like, oh, you're so right.
Okay.
Um, Doritos, your opinion.
Love them.
Me too.
Cool.
I mean, but now I'm like older and I'm like, think about like what's in it.
I mean, not if I'm like on a plane, if I'm on a plane and I see him, I'm going to,
Doritos is going to get eight.
But yeah, but I do think about it more.
Okay.
Do you do any impressions?
No.
Do I?
No, I don't think so.
I feel like I've seen you do, um, I feel like I've seen you do, um,
Real Housewives impressions, but no.
I have to text.
All right.
Do you want to do the game that we do?
We do this game in SNL, which is, it's like, you like do it or die.
And it's basically, um, you don't have to do it.
But it's really fun to play and you can do it to me too.
Would you just give someone, uh, a name and they have to do it.
I have to do an impression in 10 seconds.
It doesn't have to be good, but if you don't do it, you'll die.
Okay.
You ready?
And Robert De Niro.
Me.
I would love to see a recut version of him.
Not saying, are you talking to me?
I mean, I, there's, I, I, what, what's the coldest day you've ever had on set
and the hottest day you've ever had on set.
Coldest was, uh, I mean, I know like the real answer was like, you know,
one of the Hunger Games movies where I was like on a frozen Lake,
but it was actually in Calgary doing die my love because it was August.
So it was supposed to be warm.
And so there wasn't like, there weren't like warming coats or anything.
And I, you know, I'm just in like a t-shirt or whatever.
And so that was the coldest that like broke my heart.
Like made me want to cry.
This proves my theory that Marty short, you did cry because you were so cold.
Yeah.
Um, this proves my theory that I said to Marty short, like,
it's never warm in Canada, never.
And it's always ******* freezing and it's freezing in August always.
And Canadians pretend like, Oh, we had a really nice day.
And it's like, you did not have a nice day.
I know you were very cold.
It's really cold.
Um, when you're cold and you cry on set.
Why didn't you cry on set?
I cried in my trailer to Justine.
She was like, what's wrong?
And I was like, I'm just feeling really cold, but I was pregnant.
I just remembered.
Yeah.
Of course I cried.
I probably cried every day.
Yeah.
That movie seems like there was a lot of tears.
****.
That was fun.
It was fun to like play somebody.
But you have to do some stuff, man.
You have to go for it in some movies that I'm like, this is hard.
Screaming all day, crying all day.
All day.
Hard.
But you're so blessed.
I'm blessed.
Me?
Hottest day on set.
Hottest time you like, you remember working and it was really hot.
The, no, I know what you mean.
I answered the first one.
I obviously get the, I put the context together.
I thought maybe you were thinking about something more erotic.
I think it was the first Hunger Games.
Yeah.
The first Hunger Games we were shooting in North Carolina was humid.
And we had those jackets on.
Oh yeah.
And you had to run in those jackets too.
And running in the jackets.
Yeah.
Speaking of running, I feel like my next question, like what I love about you
is how you don't feel like you're competitive with other actresses
and you really wish for other people's success.
But in a foot race, who would win between you and Emma Stone?
She's got like really tiny bones and I, I just have very thick bones.
So what does that mean for running?
That's hard to know.
Cause it's smaller, thinner bones.
You might be faster out of the gate.
I think, I think if I like got a clock in, I'd knock her out in like two seconds.
Oh, a hundred percent.
No offense Emma, if you're listening, but there's, you would definitely knock her out.
I mean, I could take her out if it was like a fight or a wrestle, she'd stunt me.
Um, but running, I don't know because I don't know if her hollow bones give her an advantage.
Yeah.
Karaoke.
What's your, what's your go-to?
Any Man of Mine, Shania Twain.
I don't know that one.
This is where your Kentucky comes in.
Oh.
Any Man of Mine.
Yeah.
Look how cute she is.
I still don't know this.
But you like it, right?
Do you do the woo?
Yeah, of course.
This is what a woman loves.
Any man of mine better be proud of man.
Even when I'm ugly, he still better love me.
And I can be late for a date.
That's fine.
But he better be on time.
Any man of mine say it's just right when I'm left here.
His dress is just a little too tight.
And anything I bet he's to say better be okay when I had a bad hair day.
And if I change my mind a million times, I want to hear him say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're good.
I know.
Really good.
Very good.
I love karaoke too.
Yeah.
And I'm on key.
You are on key.
Yeah.
Did you ever sing?
Did you ever?
You're a good singer.
No.
That's not true.
I just heard it.
I know you did.
I knew you heard it.
Okay.
Anyway, moving on.
All right.
Have you ever been awarded a middle or high school superlative?
Middle school or high school superlative?
Most talkative.
Two years in a row.
And third year I had left.
I was in New York.
You gotta get out of here.
Yeah.
Talked my way right out of the building.
Most talkative.
Yeah.
Most talkative.
And for me, the three that were like cousins were talkative.
Like class clown and mischievous.
Like they all were like together.
We didn't have those.
We had talkative best smile.
Because I remember not getting that one.
You were going for that one.
And like, no, I was going for Miss Camer.
Miss what?
Miss Camer.
Camer is the name of the school.
This is like the world.
Miss Camer.
Camer middle school was the name.
K-A-M-E-R-E-R.
Camer middle school.
That's where I went to school.
Okay.
We kind of went over this already.
Horses, yes or no?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you do that crazy thing where you insist on doing your own stunts?
No.
And have you ever?
I feel like...
No.
Okay, great.
Just keep that up.
Okay.
Best album or song of the year?
What are you listening to that you love?
Oh, I don't know any current music.
Once they got rid of the radio, I really...
I didn't know.
I mean, how am I supposed to know what's coming out?
From your phone.
But what part of my phone?
My phone has podcast.
I mean, playlists.
Do you not listen to...
I don't listen to like...
You don't do Instagram?
How do you listen to live music on your phone?
Honestly, I usually learn about new music from Instagram or TikTok that I then go and buy.
The Lily Allen...
I don't know when this podcast is coming out in the future,
but the Lily Allen album dropped a couple of weeks ago.
Oh, I love it.
So good.
Yeah.
So good.
I didn't know it was a pussy palace.
And Monogamami.
Monogamami.
So good.
Yeah.
And Tennis.
Tennis might be my favorite song from the album.
She's so talented.
I feel like this...
I was just saying something like I feel like the pop stars,
like they're just...
The female pop...
Like they're just dominating in every area of music.
I know.
Charli XCX is so cool.
I know.
Do you know her?
I feel like you guys would hang out.
I don't know her.
I mean, would she hang out with me?
I don't know.
Of course she would.
Just call her up.
Okay.
So let me talk about your movie,
Die My Love, which looks amazing.
And you, once again, like you're...
If I haven't made it clear, you're so good at acting.
Thank you very much.
That's really, really nice.
And you really are doing the thing you're meant to do.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And do you feel that?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Do you feel like...
Was there ever a time when you thought there's anything else I would want to do?
Every time I'm on a press tour.
You're like, you know what?
Yes.
Yeah.
It just doesn't feel like...
How does anybody?
But do you feel like when you get on set, do you feel...
Or when you're really in the work, you feel super relaxed?
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
I mean, it's hard and you're tired and you'd rather be home.
Yeah.
But...
But you're into it.
But it's like...
Yeah, so into it, I love it.
This process seemed really cool.
Yeah, it was.
Like Lynn and you and Robert seemed like you guys.
Lynn Ramsey, the director, seemed like you three had some kind of
way of working that seemed really creative and cool.
Was that true?
Yeah, it was cool.
Because Lynn and I talked about it for years before we really had a script.
So I felt like we had had so many conversations about this person
and about her circumstances that by the time we got there,
there was just a lot of freedom.
It was like kind of scary, you know, like an improv-y type of situation
where it's just like, go!
Yeah.
It's kind of like, under what terms?
I know!
The circumstances.
But it was really, really fulfilling.
It was like challenging in a nice way.
And you're playing somebody who's kind of like descending into...
Madness.
And when you're playing something like that, do you track, you know,
are you always trying to figure out, like, where is she at in this scene?
Like, how far has she gone?
Kind of.
I thought that I was going to have to do that a little bit more,
but it ended up just being like finding the truth of what she was saying,
like in the moment, which I think sometimes it didn't end up being as,
I don't know, like crazy as I thought.
But the costumes helped with that
because I think they like move from a different place.
And so they, at first, she dresses really differently and sticks out.
And then as she stays there, she starts to blend in with the community.
And so that was a good way that I could mark kind of like where my headspace would be.
That's a very cool idea.
Right.
That you're realizing I'm wearing this pair of pants,
which reminds me that I'm in this mental space.
That I've been here for like eight months.
And it's kind of getting back full circle to what we're talking about, about clothes.
Like, I do feel like clothes,
there are certain outfits, for example,
that I wore during COVID that I cannot wear again because they just-
Oh, because of COVID.
Oh, it's like when you wear like work pants
and then they get ruined because they're work pants.
Or you get broken up with in a shirt and you can never wear it again.
Like clothes hold some memory.
Yeah.
But you gotta just get them right out of there.
You gotta get them out of there.
Yeah.
Okay.
We've mentioned your producing partner, Justine, a few times.
We have?
You have.
Oh, really?
We've mentioned her twice.
Oh my God.
And she's like your best, like a really long time friend.
Tell us about her.
She's, yeah, my best friend.
We met right after I did Winter's Bone.
So I was 19.
And we fell in love with movies.
We like read together.
We like discovered Walt Whitman together.
So it was like, so we like, I think our like consciousness like woke up together.
And we were like, and she was always like,
she was my like roommate when I started getting really famous.
And she was really, I think I credit her a lot with like,
why I didn't start kind of getting too big for my britches or anything.
Because everything was really real with her.
And she's just, I'm really lucky to have her.
I feel really, I love her a lot.
I feel loved by her.
I trust her completely.
I trust her taste.
She's also a really hard worker.
She likes hard work.
So yeah, I'm really lucky.
I wouldn't normally recommend working with friends,
but in our case, it worked out nicely.
You guys started a production company, Excellent Cadaver.
Yeah.
You produced.
About six or seven years ago.
A bunch, you've been working together for a long time
and your company's produced a bunch of amazing films,
including Causeway, which I think was one of my most favorite things
I've ever seen you do.
I love that movie.
Thank you.
So good.
Thanks.
For people who haven't seen it, check it out.
It's you and-
Brian Tyree Henry.
Incredible from Atlanta and many other things.
Incredible actor.
And you two play vets who are kind of physically
and spiritually struggling and back home.
And it's such a good, and Lila is an amazing director.
Lila Neugebauer.
It was her first film, but she's a big theater director
and she's great.
Sorry, the inside of my ear is itching.
It's gross.
No, but you know itchy ears are a sign of perimenopause.
So congrats.
Congrats, babe.
We'll cut that.
Oh no, we'll double that.
We're going to make it really loud.
Yeah, it's just like the preview.
We're going to underline it with volume.
We're here with perimenopause sufferer, Jennifer Lawrence.
I always thought that would be a good drag name, by the way, is perimenopause.
Oh, it is.
That really is.
But anyway, we talked to Justine.
You did?
Yes.
Oh.
Because we do this thing where we have people talk about our guests
and like talk well behind their back and give me a question to ask them.
And I talked to Justine today.
I should have known.
I listened to this podcast.
I don't know why I'm so like beside myself.
I'm surprised.
What did she say?
She had a really good question, I thought, which was basically like,
what do you want to talk about?
She was like, ask Jen what she wants to talk about
and what she's sick of talking about.
Oh, that's nice.
I know, I thought that was a good friend question.
I'm sick of talking about the movie.
Yeah, great.
We won't.
We're going to cut it out.
And I want to talk about...
What have we not talked about that you want to talk about?
Oh, I think we've covered everything.
We've talked about things that I would have never known
that I wanted to talk about that I wanted to talk about.
Yeah.
So I don't...
I can't answer it.
Okay.
What do you listen to, watch?
What makes you laugh?
How do you get yourself up the elevator?
Well, you make me laugh.
Thank you.
You're on my algorithm a lot and you and Tina.
And you guys hosted a Golden Globes that I was at
and you were the funniest people I've ever seen in my life.
You made me proud to be a woman.
Was that when we said that American Hustle was the title of...
The way the explosion at the wig factory.
Yeah.
Okay, but what do you listen to, read, watch?
Who makes you laugh?
I watch Veep.
Oh, yeah.
So we interviewed Julia recently.
You did?
Oh.
I called her the LeBron James of comedy.
She has won so many championships with different teams
and she rejected that.
She wouldn't accept that title.
That's so her.
I mean, what if she was like, thank you, I know.
Yeah, she's a hero of mine.
I love Modern Family.
Are you like a true millennial and you watch things
that you've watched before just to go to sleep?
Yeah, of course.
No, I'm Gen Z and I don't know what they do.
And you just love your robot.
I just sold my clothes online.
You kiss your robot and sell your clothes.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, I feel like we covered so much good stuff.
Yeah.
I feel great about this interview.
I do too.
I can't wait for it to come out.
I'm going to be the first to watch it.
Last question is, I know you do like a lot of reality TV.
What show would you want to be on of all of them?
Well, I mean, I want to be on the, I guess the Kardashians
because then I'd be like on a private plane going to like Fiji.
Like that's true for the other ones.
Like they're not they're not like having a good.
Yeah.
Like there's no comfort.
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
Maybe, maybe.
Yeah.
Because you just mentioned Amazing Race.
And I feel like sometimes there's like a little part of me.
Of course, I tried to go on Bear Grylls.
You did?
And they wouldn't let you?
No, I, what happened was I was like, I was determined to do it.
I ended up getting pregnant and I, but I was still going to do it.
And then I texted my OBGYN and I was like,
Hey, so I'm going to be doing Bear Grylls on like the 17th.
Is there anything I should like tell them?
And he was like, you're not doing that.
But I was like, I don't know.
And then I just, after.
Do you know the show Alone?
Have you, are you?
I love Alone.
Oh my God.
Building the, the fortresses, building the cabins.
Oh, isn't building the houses.
Isn't that the part that you want to do the most?
And if I may, the amount of energy that people build on their houses.
It's fascinating because some people you're like,
you're going to get way too tired.
This house is too nice.
Yeah.
They're burning a lot of calories, a lot of calories.
Yeah.
Other people, it's like you're sleeping under a tarp for six weeks.
Like you're going to get your house together.
What's wrong with you?
I know.
The in-between of that is fascinating to me.
Yeah.
The bugs.
It was really satisfying when you're a guy, a white man,
didn't bring a fire starter because he was just like, I can do it.
I saw that one.
That was good.
Yeah.
That was really satisfying.
Then they changed it.
I had a schadenfreude, if you will.
I also love the men that come on really strong and immediately like twist an ankle.
Yeah.
I do love that.
Or the other thing that takes them down, their stomachs.
I'm surprised that they don't have them just go with Cipro,
that like Cipro isn't just like in there.
Maybe they do.
I don't think they do.
It doesn't seem like they do.
Diarrhea takes diarrhea down.
They get diarrhea immediately.
Immediately.
I need diarrhea immediately.
And men are just, they cannot handle when they don't feel good.
They just, everything falls the **** apart.
So they're just like, I don't feel good.
And you're like, see you later, dude.
And the women are just weaving baskets and staying there for a hundred days.
Yeah.
Anyway, Jennifer Lawrence.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for spending time here today.
I think if any, I've overstayed my welcome.
If you want any food from the back.
What if I just grabbed your favorite?
Just grab the soup dumpling.
It was like, thank you, bye.
Thank you so much, Jennifer Lawrence.
That was so fun.
And thanks for being here.
And you know, for this Polar Plunge,
I always like to dig a little deeper on something that we spoke of in the podcast.
And I would just highly recommend that you watch Causeway.
It's such a great film.
Jennifer is so good in it.
Brian Tyree Henry is so good in it.
An incredible actor directed by Lila Neugebauer.
And it's just really, really good.
It's just, I don't know.
I just loved it.
I think you will too.
Check it out.
Thank you for listening.
Please come back soon.
Bye.
You've been listening to Good Hang.
The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman,
and me, Amy Poehler.
The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite.
For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane,
Kaia McMullen, and Alea Zanaris.
For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman.
Original music by Amy Miles.