The Extra 10%

What's going on out there, everybody. Welcome to another Addicted Fishing Podcast. Uh, I think it's steelhead time. We've said that a couple of times, but I've got two very proficient steelheaders in today to this podcast to discuss the extra 10%. Extra 10% that these guys do. And, uh, to catch more steel, I got Mr. Ryan McCollum, Riverside Guide Service. What's going on out there. And Jason Harmsen. And I figured it was a cool one to bring Ryan in. Cause Ryan, you do a ton of like big water sledding. You don't do too much of the raft stuff, but there's a million things that you're doing. And I'll, I'll say it because it's the most popular spot, you know, blue Creek, but other areas as well. Oh yeah. That you're that you got to put fish up. And of course, Mr. Harmsen from steel obsession. Yes. I got, I got to say that better. That's a steel obsession. That's like, you've definitely said it enough. You've solidified the way that you say I know. Did I miss something? Well, yeah, I know. You'll, you'll hear it. You'll wait. We got a couch in here and everything. But we got hearts and you do up, you, you do a ton of rafting. Yeah. Ton of guidance, smaller stuff. So I figured I'd drag these guys in here and talk. Like I said, the extra 10%, what do you do? I mean, everything from, you know, like sizing down baits to settling out baits to, um, we were talking a little bit before the podcast on like how you're hanging your jig, hanging your worm worms. But, uh, to put you guys on the spot, uh, give me one thing, either one of you guys can chime in, like just to get this conversation going, give me one thing that you think that you do. Now keep in mind addicts. Like, you know, these guys are guides. They do, you know, they've got things and maneuvers and stuff that they do different than we'll say the general population put people on fish, just when conditions are tough. But when we're talking like stuff, like, I mean, I always carry a stupid little, um, Sally Hanson, uh, sharpener in my, in my desk because like everyone's like locked a jig into a rock or had a client set a hook on a, on a rock or something with a jig, a hundred percent. And so like making sure I'll make sure that hook, that hook went sharp every time. Yeah. I'm assuming that's where you're going with that. Yeah. Because if you don't, well, then the one bite you get, yeah, you could miss definitely, definitely don't get that, uh, good of a penetration with a, a rounded out point, but what do we got? What do we got for like colors and like, I mean, just well, I feel like anything today, it's all about those details that guys aren't paying attention. And that's, that's the difference. Cause you know, everyone's got a lot of knowledge these days and, and I feel like it's gotten tougher years ago. There was only a few guys that actually knew how to steelhead fish and times have changed a lot now. So guys like us have been doing it for 30 years. We've had to step up our game and definitely those little details are the game changer of catching one fish to 10 a day, you know, it's just absolute game changes. The little details that guys don't pay attention to. So like talk about, so like to go on that, like, so we'll just, I don't want to like pick on blue Creek, but I'm going to just talk about blue Creek because you talk about how the games has changed. I mean, five years ago, there wasn't a guy bobber dogging that stretch. Zero zero. Now it's everybody, everyone's like, there's a few guys out that are still side drifting, but they're kind of like parking your car in the middle of I five. Come on, dude. Like either get with the program or it's cool. Like if you want to fish that way, move to other areas that you're not impeding on other people, you know? Um, when in Rome do as the Romans, but, and now that everyone's bobber dogging, like everyone's presentation is better. So everything's consistently drifting where the guy that didn't know how to adjust his lead and cut that lead down. It's, uh, that's kind of changed, you know, the Dave tangle free weights and stuff like that have really like, even that playing field, I feel like. So now it comes down to presentation and size and down and hook size and line size, especially on high pressure fisheries like that, where it definitely matters when the water starts cleaning up. Like there's a reason why four boats out of a hundred are putting the show on every day, like everybody, everybody's bobber dogging in from everything I read. If you just bobber dog, you just automatically catch steelhead. It's not the case, not the case. Huh? One of the things that annoys me and it's one thing I really pay attention to, and I'm sure you do too, but I'm sure your stuff is so set perfectly for it, but the rate that your line can draw through the float when it's trying to get down at the start of a drift. Oh, that's so crucial. Talk a little bit about that. If you can. So, you know, on these bigger systems where your bobber sliding. Anywhere from 10 to 20 feet to where it stops, like getting that lead down and fishing and not getting that big bow in your line is everything because once, if you're not getting your bobber to slide up your line, now you got a big bow and basically your whole drift isn't, you're constantly trying to adjust it in real line or telling guys to pull the line to get that presentation and you kind of want with bobber dogging to me and that deeper stuff, you want that 45 degree angle and you want that bobber tight to that lead. If it's not that your presentations off and, and, uh, everyone has their own opinion. You know, I'm, I'm a super big presentation guy. I'm not a big scent guy when it comes to steelhead. They're like, I call it like a cat. They strike on reaction. They're not a fish that like a salmon that's going to come up and look at it for a long time on those bigger systems. So presentation and getting that, that bead or that jig to move just at the right speed is what sets them off. And one thing, you know, I was trying to bait him into this guys, because I know one problem that you guys do have out there and I've experienced too, is if you do have any of that, like when you cast out the start of the run and your, your bait's not getting down there and getting set quickly, and then everything's kind of tightening up, right? You throw your gear out, you got to give it slack. You got to go ahead and get to the bottom. If it's taking you 30, 40 yards to get to the bottom and start to get set, what happens when a fish like grabs any of that gear, you don't even see it. You don't even see it. You don't even know it's there. I've seen him jumping out of the water and guys aren't even tight on there. And it's like, well, if they, if, if they would have had their bobber slide down proper, that fish would have been tight and hooked instead of just kind of cart wheels out of the water and you see this loose line flying in the air. What are some of the things that you tell guys to do to get that line go through their bobber quicker? Uh, dump line, keep that rod tip up. We use pretty long rods on those bigger systems, like 10 and a half footers. Like I swear, if I could train my people to run 12 footers, it'd even be better on those bigger systems. Right. Just because you're getting that line to shoot down once it hits the water on fast water like that. Now you got the drag of that. So it's not really getting down. So, um, a good long rods, good. And then I like a good stiff line because the softer lines just don't seem to slide through the bobbers as good. Right. Do you ever use a monofilament bumper? Uh, I used to years ago and it seems like the fluoro slides better because of the rigidity of it. Okay. So there's also some sinking properties to fluoro. So do you think, so, so, so you're, you're to the point where it's fluoro over mono for the bumper. Yeah. And especially with customers, cause that, that, that softer line just will tangle to wrap the bobber on them and stuff. And, and I'm used to basically coaching and walking through four to five people a day. It's not like when you're in a raft or a drift boat where you're just focused on one or two people. So it's a really big deal on those bigger systems to work together as a team and have the whole boat working together and not just the guide and he's the only one hooking and you got four lines that aren't even fishing. So, um, and then on those situations, you want to make sure everything's matching. You don't want one bumper to be two feet longer. You don't want one lead to be slightly different because everything has to be perfect when you're doing those longer drifts with multiple four or five rods in the water, you know, she have guys. Bobbers passing each other and then you guys got guys lifting over each other and reeling, reeling up in the kiosk. I mean, let's be honest, give bobber doggies. If you're doing it right, you can cast out and drift 400 yards and you're fishing effectively the whole way. But if you're constantly having to reset that gear, so having everything matched up makes a lot of sense. Cause like I said, you're not going to hopefully have five guys cast at the start and have everybody run the same all the way through the drift and then you're fishing 10 beads. And a lot of times on the bigger systems that if a guy, you know, say he hangs up a little bit, I don't tell my guys to set the hook on bobber dogging because then he just whips it and he's out of the slot and he's going to take out the three lugs below him. So I say, just let it load up. And once you feel it's a fish, just reel down on it. Right. Um, and a lot of times he's going to be out of line then. So have him bring it all the way in. And my big saying in my boat is above and beyond. I want you above and beyond the guy. And I try to tell people like eight to 12 feet. So by the time their lead gets down, now they're back in with the groove and none of the boat stopped and we're still fishing efficiently four to five lines all the time. And if you're trying to, if you're not setting the hook and you're letting that fish load itself and you got all that extra line out there, you know, going back to the whole being tight to the bobber, cause I know, I know a couple of years ago, like we, you know, me too, like we were going up there and we were getting like, where you see the bobber would kind of like tap and then chug down, like, you know, it's a fish, but you never were just like tight enough to it to make sure that that hook got, got into them. Because by the time you throw those two beads and they start drifting forward of the gear. I mean, by the time it even registers on the bobber, those fish could be holding on to that thing for a long time, a long time before you even have a clue that it was even on it. And on those high pressure fisheries, those fish are definitely weird. Like compared to coastal fisheries where I feel like they just climb on stuff. You know what I mean? They're absolutely just barely wanting to put their mouth on it. They might've been hooked three or four times already. They're getting ran over by sleds all day. So yeah, they're, they're grabbing stuff and kicking, they're just testing and kicking it out. And, and, and like I said, I don't have my guys set the hook because those fish will bite again. Sometimes I'll go through that same drift. And as long as you don't rip on them and they feel that weird change or hear that sound in the water, that weight whipping, they'll come back and a lot of times they'll bite again and you can pick them up. So, so maybe even like to talk, maybe even kind of like talk about that a little bit, Jason, with how, you know, when you're in a raft and you don't want to spook the fish, you don't want to like play, you don't want to like go over the fish. If you miss a fish going back out, like how do you approach that in a raft in a system that like you move down into the hole, you've got guys, you want to make sure they're fishing good. Is there any like technique or is there any idea or do you just, I know you don't just show it because I don't need to do it, but I definitely, I definitely go with a subtle presentation first. And then I'll come in with maybe a jig, you know, kind of following that up and then I'll get, you know, more aggressive as I go through my, you know, progression of the hole, but like to start, I'll throw two beads out there or four beads, however many I can run below my bobber anyways. Four beads? Yeah. Well, no, not four beads. I knew what he was saying, two rods, two rods, you know, double rig or single. You had him thinking on that one, didn't you? He's like four beads. I haven't tried that one. That'd be kind of cool. Anyways. Yeah. So you run through your progression, you know, you get your beads through their first, you know, usually the most subtle presentation you could throw at it, at the steelhead and then throw the jigs and throw the worms. And I mean, a lot of times I'll find if I'll get a shy bite on, on a bead or a jig, it will usually be like the first two casts with the worm in there. And if they don't bite that, you have to go back to whatever you got on the first time and size down or size appropriate to what that fish wants. Yeah. I call it loud and proud. Sometimes you get loud and proud and they smash it. Sometimes you got to get just like you said, small and finicky. Marlon would argue with that because Marlon, you know, and we've had this huge debate. I've fished with this guy a lot too. And I've picked up fish with beads behind this guy. So there, there is, there is that, but like the idea of like, you throw it like Marlon's in the room listening to this or razzing him a little bit, but when you, you know, but sometimes like it, you know, it, it, with the rafting anyways, it seems like it can, it can be anything in the hole. Like, so, and a, and a fish that sees a pink worm, you know, from 10 feet away might move for that worm, for that worm, but won't move for that bead. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. And it has to have, but then there's those fish that have been ran over all the time that are like, or the ones that have like, you know, maybe even stung once the day before another thing that I think both of you guys probably would agree on, like, sometimes I'm in a hole on, especially on small systems where I'm in a raft or a drift boat and say you missed one or you pulled one out of there, but you know, there's a bunch of fish in there. You say there's, you know, there's like five to 10 fish in there. Go to the hole. You want to do a couple real quick. Sometimes I'll just, I'll just say, Hey, you guys back off. Cause everyone wants to keep fishing. And sometimes if you just stop for 10 minutes and take a drink and eat, eat a candy bar, first cast three, you're going to hook up again. I started doing that a lot last year. It started paying off for me quite a bit towards the end of the season. Once I started to get more fish in there and, you know, they've been picked on a little bit, you know, later in the season, fish have been in the system for a little while, so I feel like what it does is just resets their brain. I think they got a short term memory and if they just keep seeing it, they're never going to go for it again. But if you just like back off of them, the bobbers not hitting the water and all of a sudden, and you always, always put the guy that like hasn't hooked up that day, I'm like, okay, you go first. Cause he's already hooked too. And then, you know, it's that bobbers getting drained. Cause they're like, they're fresh again. Yeah. There's no question. Like, you know, fishing with Nick on some of the busier rivers and stuff like that. Like, you know, he is really good at going and just sitting in a hole and just he's the most patient person, just like when it comes to just knowing that, okay. I know, but I mean, you fish it, if he fishes it every day, so he also knows where the fish are stacking and, you know, go in there first two bobbers through doink doink, you know, okay, just sit on it. And the other thing is, since you're sitting there, you also know what you only know what's going on in that hole while you're there. Like, so if you're sitting there watching it and you're letting like that part of the run chill and you're fishing this, well, no one, you know, no one's coming in and fishing that barrow with you sitting there and kind of like reserving that stuff and strategically, instead of just a lot of times those guys are pushing fish into those spots for you too. If you're sitting and being patient, you know that like they're, they're rolling through cause they're not going to fish that spot you're sitting on. And all of a sudden see a couple of little V's come through the tail out and you're like, Ooh, got some fresh ones moving in. I remember one of the very, very, very, very, very, very, very first times we fished them down there. We went down to the spot, fished it, got some fish. And then we sat there for, I mean, we sat there for three or four hours. And the idea was there was a lot of people. And so like, he knew that if he moved, like he was just going to start bumping people, like he's going to have to bump down, you know, you don't know what's how many people are down around the bend and it was a good spot. And I remember like three hours later, like you could tell like the ball of fish moved in and we freaking wrecked those fish. I mean, and so like how little patience, how little like, you know, but he also understood, you know, like how many people are on the river, how many people are going on, there's also the, uh, well, pressure and everything's as much as water height and, and, and flow. I feel like removing fish. I was going to say, that's kind of another thing that I take into consideration when I'm rolling into a hole. If I know there's been a lot of people on the river that day, I'll freaking start off right with a big old worm. First thing, blow them up, get them going, you know, if they're going to freaking bite, they're going to bite it. And if they're not, I probably don't want to, but I want that fish anyways. You know what I mean? I mean, I want that big aggressive one. Right. And there's no question that like, you know, with, with the amount, I mean, in life, to be honest, like there's less and less places to fish. People are like Ryan said earlier, you know, people are being more educated. You're welcome. You know, like there's a little, there's a little bit of that, not that STS magazine that, you know, fishing Northwest hasn't been doing it. Buzz Ramsey hasn't been doing it for the last 60 years, but the reality is, is instead of, we know steel that are going to need to be, we know they're going to eat a worm, but like approaching, I guess that'd be like an extra 10% thing of like just having like a little bit of a strategy and having a little bit of knowledge of like, okay, knowing what you're doing. They believe it or not, Cameron, they still eat bait. Oh, I didn't say, no, they don't eat bait. Don't fish any, don't fish any bait. Don't fish, don't fish any bait at all. I mean, going from your fishery, you know where it was. I mean, that's what it was. It was a bait fishery. Yeah. I mean, and now it is a bead fishery. Why is that? Is it just straight efficiency? Well, you see it go in little waves. Like I see it throughout the season because obviously I'm out there every day and I see patterns where like all of a sudden the temp changes a little bit. Our water flow changes and next thing you know, you're mopping them on bait. And I just never counted out. I feel like anytime I go steelhead fishing, when it's legal on a system, I'm going to have some kind of bait. Right. Regardless if it's eggs, prawns, whatever, whatever kind of bait you have confidence in. There's a time and a place for that bait everywhere, I feel like. All the time. So I think a lot of people that are new into steelheading, they get stuck on just bobber dogging this artificial stuff because that's what everyone is really like pushing and talking about and they see pictures, they see pictures of people holding up fish, but at the end of the day, that old school stuff still, still works really good. And especially if everybody's throwing the same 14 to 20 millimeter soft beads, like give them a hamburger to chew on. You're, you're, you're still in my next point. Like when you do see those people in the pressured systems, like you're, cause you were, you mentioned you, you motioned earlier running something different or busting them up with plugs, going at them with bait, doing something. I mean, to be honest with you, like I still fish an absolute, I fish bait probably more than anything else. Actually, I'll just say it. I do fish bait more than anything else. And I like it for beginners to the beads six years ago. That was the best gift somebody ever gave me in my operation. No, yeah. You know, I've, I've had days where I've fished beads and bait at the same time and the bait will roll through and it. It's almost acting as a chum. Like it chums the hole. Yeah. And then you throw your beats there and your beats get hit. Yeah. I don't know what, what it does or what happens in the hole. I mean, exactly. They have to get lit up. That's like a flasher. That's the attractor. They're like, Oh, and it gets them. I guess there's a reason you guys can hear that. But Marlon goes, there's a reason why chumming is illegal, but guess what? You guys, I can't say where we saw it, but there was a place where it was actually legal to do it. It wasn't around here. Oh, and it works. I'm sure I'm going to say, I'm sure we saw it. We saw it with our own eyes, right? Marlon. It was, and it was like, you knew there was fish there. They would not do anything. And then you started, you started doing a bunch of stuff. No, you started doing a bunch of stuff. And then the next three baits that went through just just started draining. Well, you guys, you guys at fish, a lot of small, but it's illegal. So don't do it. Small rivers and stuff. I don't, I've seen it so many times that you watch it when, especially when the water is just crystal clear, you watch it and sometimes you'll throw something through, if you see their fins just flare out, they're going to bite the next thing they see. I've seen it too many times where it like it gets them fired up. That first one that goes through. And then if I see their fins flare straight out, I know the next thing they see they're smashing because they're in the strike mode now. They're a little more, but they were just relaxed at that, at the first, you know, bait or whatever beat or whatever they saw. So sometimes, you know, like we're talking about details and stuff and that's the stuff that people don't really pay attention to. Oh, I can see five steelhead in that hole. But are you seeing their body language? Right. What are they doing? Yeah. Are they seeing your bobber and moving out of the way? Because you're not using, you know, I've seen where cork bobbers are everything in that gin clear water, where if you have any kind of color on that float, they're not going to bite. It spooks them, especially, you know, summer run fishing. Or how pressured they are. Yeah. Very pressured fish. I've never used a cork bobber, to be honest with you. Yeah. Yep. What? You need, you need, you, you, you need it. I shut up. I didn't say that. That's all there was back in the day. We got it. We got to like, yeah, I'll have to do like an OG episode or something like that. There we go. Cued in the big, in the big boat. Need to do that in the big boat. Go bounce one day. Oh yeah, that's that too. That too. We're getting off track 10% to what, what about rigging guys? So like, you know, one thing that I think is important and it's, it's become, you know, mainstay for sure is putting that little quirky on top of the float. I always want to talk about it. Cause a lot of people see that. And a lot of people don't, if you don't respond to it, it's fine. But like, let's where I started really doing that a lot is when we started fishing, these like really long leaders stuff, these really long bait leaders, these really long bead leaders, and you go to a hole and the water is really low and it's really clear and it's a day that guys in that book, you told them like, look, it's going to be tough. Like there's only going to be a few spots. There's going to be fish. We just don't want to screw it up. And they send that first fricking cast to the hole. Sometimes you can even see the fish. And they drifted through and the fish don't react or they move away from it or something. And then the guy reels in and the stupid bead is like, the leader is like tangled around, like, and so like when you make that cast with that little quirky on top of that Barbara and you know, you know, when it just gets strung out and perched right up on top, you're dialed, you know, you're dialed and you know, that, that, that, that presentation is going to fish through the hole the way it's versus, you know, boofing a cast and then, and then, you know, put those fish on alert essentially. Yeah. Right. Um, so I've seen, I've seen that pay, pay really big dividends. Um, especially like in the, you know, the lower rafting or drift boating clear and I've seen it pay off to the quirky on the barber, the quirky on the barber did come to the light. Come to the light. It's really, we'll talk about that in a second too, because we got one more you and I will talk about, because I saw you posted something about something maybe an incognito beat on one of your steel that you caught. Oh yes. Yeah. I've come to the dark side, my friend. Yes. Let's talk about that a little bit. Because the real deal, I'll tell you that. Like I fished on that specific fish, I've fished five different, four different beads and two different jigs. And then I was like, Hmm, I just tied up a bunch of these. Why not just try one of these first cast with that thing in there? There's the same, kind of the same shades colors that I was using. So I was like, let's see if this kind of, you know, does pop has more of that natural look, dude. And it, I don't know what it is about it, but it. So you didn't tell me this story. I just thought you might've just tried them for a day and just realized how easy they were to fish and when it comes to efficiency and it comes to, like I said, making a cast, having like the guy go out, touches the bottom, he pops the hook hard. It sinks the soft beat on the hook or it fouls the gear. Yep. But it's never fishing. They're very, very easy. It's kind of, I'm going to kind of pick on you because you make fun of me for tying my bumpers on my, from my main line to my end line and you're like, Oh, you like this high extra knots. And I'm thinking to myself, tying these glass beads. I'm like, Cameron likes to tie a lot of freaking knots then. Yeah. But no, other than that, they're, they're bar none. I mean, they're the real deal. Like I said, there's something cool. And I like the fact that they absorb, they can absorb scent. Yeah. That fact, sorry, but they're, it's pretty cool. So just that fish. I mean, so like I said, you work that fish over with other beads and it doesn't matter, like harder stuff. You, you think it was sent then? Like, did you have sent or? No, I know. I literally just think it was the way that that bead looked. It was, it was like more pale and more translucent or something. That was the thing too. It was the same kind of shade color, but I think having that clear. Coating over the top of it gives it that different look. And it, I mean, it has a ton of UV in it. So I don't know. It's what's weird. Like, I mean, I, I think that that does help in times. Cause like, especially when I size them down and that was for me, it's just about efficiency because I know when I customer cast it out, I know it's not going to be fouled or not going to be screwed up ever, like ever. So I don't even like, you know what, you know, and I know when, when we're fishing, especially YouTube dog and like a lot, every time that customer reels in, it's like, you're looking at their gear form because you want to make sure that when they throw it back out, it's not, it's fishing. There's something to be said a little bit of that. That's really interesting. Cause that was a really nice fish you got. One thing I want to add to the 10% a lot of times those guys hatchery fish was a hatchery. I didn't even look that close. Cause you had it down on the water. I'm like, Oh, it must've been a bit. Oh, wow. Damn. Yeah. I want to say less is more. It's a saying I've used my whole life on fishing. Sometimes everyone wants to throw two beads, but if you're not, if you can't cast it and get it through your, you're killing the hole, you're ruining it because of bad presentation. So sometimes just run one bead through. If that's all you can get through there. Say, if you're trying to get under a brush spot and certain situations, I see it all the time on the big rivers where, Oh, I need to have two beads to catch fish. No, you don't. One fish and good is better than two not fishing. And how many times? Yeah. One bead. How many times do you say Josiah just wrote an article about that? Like an STS about fishing one bead. Yeah. And what you're right. I mean, you, you spooked the fish, you fouled the hole, you fouled your gear. That, that could have been that one time you could have gotten a bite that day. And you didn't cause your gear is fouled. Yeah. So don't always think you need to have more and bigger. Like I said, less is more a lot of times in, in situations. And, uh, often I tell people like we're not whipping those double bead setups. It's more of a lob, especially on the big systems where we're throwing a long ways and your gears way out there, you can't whip it. So I tell people to lay that gear on the water, nice and smooth. And it seems to get where they're not tangling it. Oh, all good stuff. All good stuff to think about guys, but guess what? We've got a role here, but I want to give you guys a couple quick reminders because we can talk about this stuff all day. And in fact, we're going to go talk about it on the live feed here that if you guys are interested, go to the YouTube channel and search the live feed, because we're going to have, I think we're getting Nick in there too. I don't know. We're gonna have a whole bunch of people in there talking about the extra little things that you guys can do to, to honestly maximize getting fish, catch more fish out there. So, uh, don't forget guys, we'll be at the Puyallup sportsman show. We are going to be having live bashes there. As you guys know, the bashes are a bunch of parties where we give out a lot of prizes and have all really cool giveaways. We're going to have really cool speakers. We're going to, I know since the timing, um, being early February for both the Puyallup and the sportsman show, uh, I know we'll be talking some springers in there, but we'll be, you bet your ass. We're going to be talking some steelhead as well. So that's coming up real quick and we appreciate you guys also coming out in droves, uh, uh, supporting us and buying through the shop on the Christmas. We had a great holiday season. Um, super awesome to see you guys out there. And so we do appreciate the support. Hopefully you guys all got into that golden ticket giveaway. Um, if you're hearing this before the new year, you got one last chance to do it. Uh, but if not, we'll have to get you on the next one. But we do appreciate all your guys' support and we'll be seeing you guys at the sportsman shows. Give Ryan McConn here at Riverside guide service a call for some steelhead trips. And of course, Jason Harmsen or steel obsession guide service, Ryan's going to be doing the sled stuff. Jason's going to be doing the raft stuff and, uh, yeah, hit them up and go see what the extra 10% really can mean on a day, a catch and fish. So thanks for coming in. I'm excited for all this stuff coming up this year. I think it's going to be after last year. It's going to be good. Last year was pretty good this year. I think it's, yeah, it's got the makings. I don't want to get too excited and then have closures and stuff. So I'm trying to podcast over podcast over podcast. We'll see you guys.