The UK government is designating Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and other groups as threats to national security under the new National Security State Threats Bill. This legal shift allows the UK to proscribe state-linked entities, meaning supporters could face up to 14 years in prison. Experts discuss the geopolitical risks and the necessity of this long-overdue move.
And Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps will be designated a threat to the nation's
national security.
Yes, Prime Minister Skeer-Starmer has said members could face up to life imprisonment
as the UK cracks down on foreign state proxies.
Well our national reporter Charlie Peters joins us now.
Charlie, this brings with it complications.
There will now be fears for British citizens in Iran, the British embassy in Iran, and
frankly the channels of communication that we use that advantage some of our allies like
the United States.
Yes Tom, that has been one of the key reasons for not prescribing the IRGC in recent years
with many critics of those proposals saying that actually having a link to Iran and not
prescribing one of the wings of their military, which is what the IRGC is, the Islamic Revolutionary
Guard Corps, it's an asymmetric wing of their armed forces, that would risk our ability
to be an opportunity for influence in the region.
It's why the British embassy was evacuated from Tehran the day before the war started
in February.
There's also been other criticisms, particularly around how difficult it is to prescribe a
non-state actor and then a state actor, those differences being blurred.
But that's now changed through the National Security State Threats Bill.
That was introduced to the House of Commons last week.
That adds new provisions, a category called designated bodies, that's organisations believed
to be involved in foreign power threat activity.
This has been a key area of criticism from terrorism specialists and security analysts,
particularly Jonathan Hall KC, who's the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation.
He looks at these processes that he said in 2023 would not be possible really to prescribe
the IRGC in its current form.
That's why the law has changed.
What will that mean?
Well, anyone who shows support for the IRGC could face up to 14 years in prison from these
new laws when they are tabled and passed, we expect, later by the government in the
Commons.
It would also mean that the IRGC sending them any money, being involved in any material
support would also face sanction.
There are two other groups that are being targeted in this new legal move that we've
heard about from the government today.
That is the Islamic Movement of Companions of the Right and also the Volunteer Corps
of Russia's GRU, which is their MI6.
Now that's very interesting because one of the main criticisms of those who said we couldn't
prescribe the IRGC was that we had previously prescribed the Wagner Group, which is a state-linked
organisation.
Russia has been involved as a mercenary organisation but is very much controlled and directed by
the Kremlin.
Very close ties there.
This is bridging that gap in a more sophisticated organisation like the IRGC, so it's interesting
that Russia's GRU, a volunteer corps, they're also falling under that umbrella.
With regards to the IMCR, the other group I mentioned, they face accusations that they've
been involved in plotting some of those recent arson attacks that we've seen in the United
Kingdom.
I won't go into any specifics or details there because many of those are ongoing and
active cases, but you'll be aware, our audience will know about various arson attacks on Jewish
sites that have taken place this year, said to be involving that organisation.
Just on that Charlie, just very quickly, how many supporters of this organisation do we
think we have in this country?
Well, that is what MI5 will know and because it's top secret, I can't tell you that now.
Well, we'll end on that then.
Charlie Peters, thank you very much indeed for your time.
That is a huge, huge development for the IRGC, finding a huge amount of pressure on Labour
to do this.
Well, but of course, up until the law change, they haven't been able to because it's an
arm of the Iranian government and I think I'm right in saying that that would have meant
that had we prescribed it earlier, you wouldn't have been able to have any diplomatic connection
with Iran at all, so that law change, highly necessary.
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Your immediate reaction to the IRGC now being apparently prescribed by this government?
Well, how on earth has it taken over two years for this Labour government to do it?
Why didn't the Tories do it all of those years ago?
I mean, it's one of the most stunning and obviously ridiculous failures of British government
policy that it wasn't done.
This is a terrorist arm of a brutal regime that has actually attacked British sovereign
territory in recent months.
And I want to make the additional point, okay, well, if they're prescribed it, what actions
are they going to take about the boats coming across the channel?
We have long said this is a national security emergency.
You both will know that our brilliant security services have successfully foiled multiple
terrorist attacks by IRGC fighters.
Incredible reports in broadsheet newspapers suggest, according to military intelligence,
some of those attempted terrorists came across the English Channel in a small boat.
So if they are serious about prescribing the IRGC and saying that they are terrorists,
if there were ISIS fighters coming across, coming into Britain across the channel, what
would we do?
Well, we would use our military, wouldn't we?
We would declare it a national security emergency.
Here's what we wouldn't do.
Just allow boat after boat containing hundreds and indeed now north of 200,000 people to
keep coming.
So that's what I'm going to be watching.
Let's see what the actions are behind those words.
Let's now speak with the counterterrorism and Iran expert, Roger Macmillan.
Roger, a pleasure to have your company.
What took them so long?
A very good question.
I'm not going to argue about that right now.
I'm just delighted that finally action after many, many years has been taken to put this
horrific organization back out of touch.
And they're now stopping this.
This is designated as an organization which sponsors terrorism, which sponsors this malign
activity here on our shores in the UK.
And also, don't forget the organization which is called Harakat al-Yameen al-Shaab al-Islamiyah
is also being prescribed as a terrorist organization.
And they're the ones who conducted those ghastly attacks against the Jewish community directly
back in March and April of this year.
And that's the point, Roger.
It's incredible to think that a state-sponsored and state-funded organization is on British
soil and indeed American soil and other places directly being provocative.
And some would say this move is long, long overdue.
It is long overdue.
And it's not just in the UK.
You're absolutely right.
It's across the States.
It's across Europe.
You know, all of these entities are going to put fear into not just the Jewish communities,
but the Persian diaspora and others.
I mean, you've heard the death threats against even President Trump just the last few days.
So these entities get everywhere.
And it's really important to see this is now finally being taken action.
And so quickly, just coming in three or four days, five days after the national security
state threats legislation achieved royal assent, the Home Office have taken this action today.
And also, as I understand, Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary, has just called in
the Iranian charge d'affaires to hold them to task on all of this, again, directly because
of the Ha'i and IRGC threats in the UK.
Roger, are you expecting the Iranian regime to take this peacefully, to take it with grace?
That was a rhetorical question.
Or are you expecting them actually to perhaps throw their toys at a pram about it?
They've already thrown out their toys at the pram.
The last few days in Iran has seen an escalation, not just in the attacks from the Iranians,
but also the attacks by, again, hitting, targeting military and infrastructure assets
in Iran as we speak.
So this is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
This is the right time to have done it.
It will be a bit too late.
But there's no going back now.
I mean, this is also now a case where we can now, in the UK, apply the support to apply
the maximum pressure on this regime to give up their brutal and terrorist aims.
Roger, finally, we've just heard in this past hour that Donald Trump is now saying the straight
off hall moves is open again.
Roger, have you ever known a war to end so many times?
Are you confident this is finally it?
No, I'm sorry.
This is yet more of the rhetoric.
One side will say it's closed.
One side said it's open and then flips it around.
We are now really in a state where we are going to see the Iranians using their nuclear
weapon, which is, in fact, the straight off hall moves.
And we're going to see them use that to their advantage when they see that they're not getting
exactly what they want out of the MOU.
So whether they don't get the money, whether they get the money or not, they're going to
use that.
And of course, that is going to mean that if it's shut, another vessel is going to be
hit.
The Americans will respond and the Iranians respond until they think, right, how can we
get over this?
The only way we're going to get over this impasse is with complete regime change.
OK, Roger Macmillan, thank you.
Superb guest there.
Countess Erism and Iran expert joining us live from Tel Aviv.
Roger Macmillan, thank you very, very much indeed.