'They're taking risks with the lives of British people!'
Patrick Christys and Migration Watch's Alp Mehmet reacts to breaking news that the Home Office is set to expand the us of ex-military barracks to house migrants in order to close asylum hotels.
The UK government plans to transition asylum seekers from hotels to former military barracks. This strategy faces heavy criticism for potentially overwhelming small rural communities and failing to address systemic issues, such as a massive asylum backlog and the fact that over 50,000 migrants have absconded from enforcement.
Two big bits of news for you now. Firstly, newly released figures show that more than 50,000
illegal migrants have gone missing in the UK after absconding from immigration enforcement,
including around 1,200 foreign criminals. Bearing in mind there are currently 123,000 people on an
asylum waiting list, 50,000 appear to have gone missing. So there you go. Figures show that
migrants have faced loads of different charges and they have gone. So that is absolutely mental,
really, let's be honest when you think about that. But the big breaking news which I'm now able
finally to reveal to you this evening is this. The Home Office is planning to use more former
military barracks to house thousands of asylum seekers in its quest to shut down hotels. And
tonight I can reveal that planning permission is being sought at Ministry of Defence sites in the
following locations. Bicester in Oxfordshire, Barnham in Suffolk and Linton-on-Ouse in North
Yorkshire to accommodate a total of 3,750 asylum seekers. Now just to give you a bit of context
there, Linton-on-Ouse has a population of around 800 people and in 2022 the then Conservative
government wanted to try to house 1,500 illegal migrants in Linton-on-Ouse for an area that has
a population of 800 people. And it now looks as though the Labour government is looking to do the
same thing. We can also reveal the government is looking to expand the use of existing sites in
Crobra in East Sussex until 2030 and Wethersfield in Essex beyond 2027. And certainly when it comes
to Crobra it's important to remind you that we were told that this site would be temporary.
We have contacted the Home Office for a reply. We are still waiting for a response.
I'll read to you what they'd previously said to us in a few minutes. Sean, this is going to go down
absolutely terribly. There'll be people in these places watching tonight who are finding out about
it for the first time now and they'll be fuming. I think we need to go back to the election though
but this is the Labour Party delivering on their manifesto. They promised that they would spread
the asylum-seeking system across the country. It looks like they're fulfilling that promise.
They said that and I said at the time that will include many places in the country that don't
see this as their problem. It will now become their problem. Let's see how they respond.
A lot of the rhetoric around this has been how they're getting on top of immigration,
how they've got it all solved. It doesn't seem like they do. But the most important thing for
out of your last report is the 50,000 asylum seekers who are missing. I want to know what's
going to be done about those people. If reports are led to believe they're vulnerable people,
should we be fining them because they're vulnerable? Are they making other communities
vulnerable? What happens when they're found? Is their case immediately dropped because they
absconded or do they get extra support? The point is the system is in as much of a mess, if not more,
than their own heritage. As a Tory, I'll absolutely admit to you it was not in a good
condition when they got it but it looks like it's getting worse. Important things to know,
I've done numerous different reports from RAF Wethersfield of rampant drug taking going on
there. It's not a detention centre so they're free to come and go as they please. There are
taxpayer-funded bus and minibus services laid on basically whenever they want and they can go around
the local areas. Crobra, again it's an army barracks, they are not fenced in there. They can
go around the local area whenever they want. There have been reports there of serious incidents
involving locals etc. Now we have got some footage for you of the area of Linton-on-Ouse.
Now this has got about 800 people live there apparently. Previous plans to put 1,500 people
in that area. If they are not contained then they are able to just walk out, do whatever they want
in a quiet village where maybe people of a certain age live there as well.
I mean the other thing to that is then they can just abscond. This is what's happening.
50,000 people have gone. What on earth are we doing here? You're just plonking people in the
countryside to never be seen again. It's madness. But it's the way it destabilises an existing
community that's the problem. It's the fact that you've got a village if you like of 800 people.
You can't just parachute 1,500 people of a completely different background and culture
in on top of them and expect not to have a problem because I guarantee you there will be a problem.
This area will never be the same again. People there are looking at it now.
I think at the 2011 census you're looking at around 700 people roughly live there,
700-800 people so whatever that is now. But still either way you're doubling the population
realistically if you put that many asylum seekers there. What about the human rights of the people
who live in that area? Well let's have a reality check. Net migration is down by 800,000. Small
boats crossings are down by 40% and processing of asylum seekers and that's a huge issue.
It is at an all-time high. It's not true. It is true. No it's not true. Appeals are at an
all-time high now so you've processed them and at least 80% of them have appealed it and they're
still here. Yeah and the government is bringing in changes to tackle that so that you can't have
multiple appeals. There's a 24-week statutory. So why do they need to open all these sites? Well
because it will take time. I've made the point to you before on this program the last Labour
government cut asylum numbers from 100,000 a year to 19,000 by the time we left office
but it took time and therefore until you drive the numbers down to much more manageable levels
which is the objective you've got three options. You've got hotels and clearly people don't want
that and the government is rightly seeking to close them. You've got houses in multiple
occupation which I think is the worst option because you know you're in the midst of housing
estates and the third option and I think it's the least work. We can come on to that but I think
the least worst option in terms of housing asylum seekers is military bases. Would you agree
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order to keep some sense of protection? I think there is an arguable case that people should be
detained pending a decision. We're going to come back to this because this is the huge news
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We are going to return now to that huge breaking news story that the government is looking to
expand the use of existing military barracks for illegal migrants plus seek planning permission
to use more former military barracks to house asylum seekers. Tonight we can now reveal that
they're going to look for sites in Bicester in Oxfordshire, Barnham in Suffolk and Linton-on-Ouse
in North Yorkshire. They want to accommodate around 3,750 asylum seekers there. We can also
reveal that the government is going to try to expand the use of those sites in Crobra in East
Sussex and Wethersfield in Essex beyond 2027. Joining us to discuss this now is the Chairman
of Migration Watch Alp Mehmet. Alp thank you very very much for hot-footing into the studio here
at short notice. Your initial reaction to the government's plans really to dump illegal migrants
in some cases in just sleepy rural villages? Well here they are again suddenly announcing that
they're going to dump hundreds of young men in areas that I'm sure had no idea it was going to
happen. Not only are they going to dump them on the communities but we don't actually know what
most of them are, where they're coming from, who they are, how old they are. I just think it's
scandalous really that the government, any government, behaves like this. But I'm afraid
there's little else to do as far as they're concerned because they just haven't got control
of the problem. This is all about trying to manage it, not to solve the problem, and it's about time
we heard from them how are you going to solve it? How are you going to stop young men from making
their way over here in the knowledge that they'll be able to stay and stay for good? The amount of
house prices are going to go down, people are going to not feel safe sending their kids to
local schools, there's going to be an increase in crime, there's going to be an increase in drug
use, and I say that with absolute confidence because we've seen it everywhere else. Also out,
we keep being told that there's no money for defence and that we are going to largely be
defenceless if world war three kicks off. So the solution to that is to put a load of illegal
migrants, most of whom will by the way be of fighting age, into disused military barracks,
it just seems absolutely mental. Well it's more than that, this is taking risks with the lives
of the British people, that's what it's doing, and I dread to think what would happen if there
was another war, a third world war. Frankly it will take a lot more than vacating those camps
to be able to fight whoever it is that is turning against us. We're in a mess,
we're in a mess, and some of it is to do with the money that we've spent on migrants coming here
illegally. 75,000 plus since Starmer came into office, that's something like 30 billion pounds
lifetime cost to the British taxpayer. It's absurd. Yeah and I am incredibly sceptical about
this mainly because we've been told time and time again that some of these sites were temporary,
Wethersfield was one of them, also Crobret, they're not temporary, they're extending their
use. I also have it on pretty good authority, very good authority actually, that they are actually
expanding the processing centre at Manston. Why would you be doing that if you thought that this
problem was going to go away? And the other big kicker here is 50,000 at least have absconded,
the asylum backlog is the largest it's ever been, it's 123,000 now. The amount of appeals
to a first decision rejection is the highest it's ever been. We are not actually deporting these
people, we're deporting people who work at nail salons and we're deporting people who might have
come on a dodgy student visa from Brazil. We are not deporting the small boat migrants,
they're here forever. No absolutely and that's why they will continue to come, because we're
not deporting. 50,000 that's what the government will admit to, I suspect that it's a great deal
more than that. We estimate that there is something like one and a half to two million people here
living illegally. This is just the tip of the iceberg frankly and the sooner,
I hope that Mr Burnham when he comes into office, as he surely will, starts thinking more seriously
about how to deal with this problem, not to go the way of the Lib Dems as they have done largely
in Bournemouth and see how are we going to make this more of a manageable problem to deal with
and make life more comfortable for migrants. No, no, no. But you mentioned a third world war there,
I mean the reality is the third world is here and it's moving to places like Linton-on-Ouse,
it's gone to Bournemouth. It's ridiculous, we've decimated one's beautiful seaside resort there
and just turned it into one giant processing centre. It's absolutely bonkers, but look Al,
thank you very, very much for your time this evening, really do appreciate that moment there,
who's the chairman of Migration Watch. This is the big breaking news, hasn't made it onto the
front page because it was embargoed until 10.30. The Home Office is now planning to use more former
military barracks to house thousands of asylum seekers in its quest to shut down hotels and
tonight I can reveal that planning permission is being sought at Ministry of Defence sites in
Bicester in Oxfordshire, Barnham in Suffolk and Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire. They say that
they're going to accommodate around 3,750 asylum seekers. I strongly suspect that the true number
is significantly higher. We have around 30,000 people still in migrant hotels. As some of those
hotels are closing, about 20 of them, they say that those people are going to go here. They are
also, and you should be aware of this, expanding the use of the processing centre in Manston,
which very strongly indicates that they don't see an end to the channel crossings anytime soon.
And we can also reveal that the government is going to also expand existing sites in Crobra
in East Sussex until 2030 and Wethersfield in Essex beyond 2027. And again with these sites,
what will be fascinating to see is who actually lives there because Crobra is just for men,
and they are free to roam. Wethersfield, as I understand it, is also just for male asylum
seekers as well. That brings with it, you know, an additional risk. These are not Ukrainian women
and children that we're talking about here, and in the case of Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire,
there is roughly a local population of about 800 people, and in 2022 the Tories wanted to put
1,500 illegal migrants there, and they will not be contained unless plans for that change. They're
allowed to go out. That is absolutely catastrophic. Archie, I'll put this to you.
When this goes catastrophically wrong, which I hope it doesn't, but I kind of know it will.
We learn from history.
Yeah. When it goes catastrophically wrong, and locals and the wider public are incredibly angry
about it, and the inevitable happens there that there are these protests, the government is just
going to call everyone far-right racists, they're going to try and ban us from talking about it on
social media, but actually the reality is that they are just dispersing thousands of young illegal men
from war-torn countries across the British countryside.
That may well be true. I mean, it's telling, isn't it, that the two places you mentioned
are males only. That's not because there are thousands of women going elsewhere. It's because
the people coming over are, by and large, men. I think, look at the politics of this. This is a
gift of God for Nigel Farage, who's had a fairly difficult week or so since McAfield, and now
suddenly the news is all going to be about these illegal migrants. We've suddenly kicked the news
agenda, after a difficult couple of weeks for Reform UK, into their home turf. But then I feel
sympathy for the current government, because it's not just their mess-up, it's successive governments,
and these people have to go somewhere. And that's horrible for those kind of communities, as you say,
that only have 800,000 people and are now suddenly getting a double in size. These guys and girls,
or guys, as it often is, do have to go somewhere. So it's a tricky one for them as well. But I think
the real winner here is Mr Farage and his cohort of merry Reform UK supporters. So it's interesting
as well that, again, because of our ridiculous perda laws in this country, I wasn't allowed to
tell you about this during the local election campaigns. But during the local election campaigns,
which turned out to be a disaster for Labour anyway, they did actually set about closing
various different migrant hotels. And the overwhelming majority of them were in Labour
areas where there was an election taking place. You're joking, really? Yeah. And even that,
which is clear blatant electioneering, you as a journalist, because of the rules on television...
Could not report that. You could not report that. So they closed migrant hotels in places like
Birmingham, Reading, Leicester, Norwich, Oxford City Council and London Borough of Ealing,
all Labour areas, and they closed them during the election campaign. Now if you look at where
they're putting them here, these military barracks, one of them is in a Liberal Democrat area and two
of them are in Tory areas. So that's what they're doing. That may be a coincidence. With only three,
it's hard to make a complete value judgment on that. But it does seem extraordinary, doesn't it?
Reform said that if they get in, what they're going to do is they're going to basically do this
until they deport people, but they're going to do it with Green Party areas. And they were hammered
for it. But actually, Labour is doing exactly this. Yeah, but you see, we're talking about all
of the politics surrounding this, but actually the people I feel sorry for are the people in those
villages. Because at the end of the day, I think for one of those villages, which has only 800
people, it has twice the number of illegal immigrants who are going to be pushed into
that community. Now you're quite right, Patrick, there is no way in the world that that won't
badly affect that community. Sorry, can I just say this? Barnum in Suffolk, one of these places,
has a population of 588. It's impossible. So there are two areas straight off the bat now
that are going to immediately be outnumbered. The logical extension of your argument, just to
see the other side here, I'm not saying I believe this, these places did have thousands of people
in them, they just happened to be British Army soldiers. So your point is therefore, it's not
about the raw number of people in these areas, it's the fact that there are illegal migrants,
right? Yeah, it's about the calibre of person. It's not necessarily the calibre, I've been in
this... Calibre is the wrong word, sorry, that's the wrong word, but you know what I mean. It's
about the background and the culture, you know, I mean, probably people are going to be clobbering
me about this. But the fact is, I've seen it when I was a foreign correspondent in Macedonia,
when all the Kosovo people were escaping, the refugees. And at one stage, the ratio of refugees
to the population in Macedonia was one to four. They had one refugee for every four people in
the country. And believe me, it was a total mess. So I've seen it happen before. This government,
actually, anyone who does this, I think, is being totally irresponsible to land this number of
people who come from a totally different background with a totally different culture
on top of... They should be criminals. It's terrible. But look, you know, I made the point
earlier, the numbers are coming down. The boat crossings are down by 40%. Net migration is down
by 800,000. We need to go further. But until we can drive the numbers down to much more manageable
levels, you've either got hotels, which people don't want, houses in multiple occupation,
which would be... Hold on, I'll come on to that, Patrick, which would be far worse,
or military bases. And I think military bases are the least worst option.
Now, there is progress being made, but I think the bit that's missing from the government's armory
is actually offshore processing, not like Rwanda, which was illegal and a permanent move
to move people overseas, but doing a deal, which the government has said it's looking at,
with maybe countries in the Balkans, where if you arrive here in an illegal boat, you're
in the Balkans. And either your claim is valid and you can come here or you don't.
Yesterday it was revealed, leaked documents from the Home Office, that nearly half of the
400,000 illegal migrants in the UK that we know of, by the way, cannot be removed under the current
laws. Just cannot. Just to ask Bill, the government's claiming here they don't call
them illegal migrants, right, they call them asylum seekers. Just, it may be an impossible
question to answer. What percentage of the people that are going to be rehoused here do
you think are genuine asylum seekers? Well, if you look at the processing rate at the moment,
the level of approvals has gone below 50%, which is the worst approval rate in the last five years.
So I think there are people who are blagging the system, who are actually economic migrants.
You accept that there are a substantial… Of course I do. But there are also genuine
asylum seekers and genuine refugees and it's about distinguishing between the two. But I think
offshore processing, when I was a government minister at the Foreign Office, we proactively
explored that as a means of deterring people from coming to this country. But, but, but,
let's not delude ourselves that this is a problem unique to Britain. Every advanced country is
facing this problem. France… Australia isn't. Well, France has got 50% more asylum seekers per
head of population than we have in this country. So what? Why should I care about that? Tony Abbott
did it in Australia. He stopped the vote. They've knocked at the country. So what? Look at what
happens in France. When Paris Saint-Germain win, people kick the living daylights out of Paris.
When Paris Saint-Germain lose, people kick the living daylights out of Paris. You know, you look
at… Has France been enriched by the amount of illegal immigrants that they have? No, I'm not
arguing that. There's Germany. No. Patrick, I'm not arguing that. Why should I care about that?
I'm giving some realistic context that this is not a problem that is unique to this country.
But that's because none of the European countries have sorted it out. That doesn't make it okay.
That's the argument of the Good Samaritan gone wrong. It doesn't make it okay. Australia,
Tony Abbott has managed to do it. It is possible to do it. It just takes a bit of backbone
and some fairly difficult decisions, which the current Labour government seem very unwilling to
do. The good thing is here, which is that we now have a record number of appeals. Okay,
so it's all very well and good. You know, Bill is right to say that we're rejecting more of them.
Fine. But most people are approved on appeal. And until we do away with the ridiculous immigration
judges, many of them have worked for open-border charities. And they're here before the judge.
They come in on a small boat. They're here before they're judged, as in they're already
our problem at that point. Can I just say as well, the incoming, supposedly incoming Prime Minister
Andy Burnham has said during the election campaign that he wanted to allow asylum seekers to work
before they'd even been approved. Well, I think there's an arguable case for that,
because they actually contribute something to the country. But a key element of the...
So people who don't necessarily have the right to be... I mean, surely you understand,
if that is the policy, every economic migrant is going to go, wow, this is a brilliant system.
I can claim I'm gay and, oh, whatever it may be, I'll come over and I can work before I'm
approved and hope that they slip through the net. It's the worst incentive system ever.
It's not government policy. But actually, in terms of the point you're making, Patrick,
about the appeal system, that is absolutely at the heart of the Shabana Mahmood reform proposals,
that there's going to be a 24... One, we're going to remove the judges and have independent
tribunals. Two, there's going to be a 24-week statutory limit on the timescale for an appeal.
And three, the government is going to stop people putting one appeal forward,
then going for another appeal and gaming the system.
Just play the tape forward here, Linda. What do you think is going to happen?
You know, we've got these areas like Linton on Ouse or, you know, the expansion of the
Crobra base and all of that stuff. And, you know, we have seen time and time and time again,
horrific crimes being committed by people. And I just don't... How on earth can these people
live like... These people, some of these people that live in places like Linton on Ouse, it's a
choice. People retire there. People make the choice to settle there. They've bought the house,
they've done this, that and the other. What about their human rights?
I know, that's my point all along. We can go into the ins and outs of politics, but at the end of
the day, it's about those people in those localities which are suffering. I mean, and these
are people, as you say, Patrick, who have invested in their community, invested in their homes,
invested in maybe their church and things like that. They want to live there peacefully. And
the fact of the matter is, whilst I mean, you know, I say this having actually delivered
a conversational English program to Afghan women evacuees. I understand that we've got to help
people who are in trouble. I understand it and I've actually done something about it. But I've
also seen what can happen to small communities when it comes to the crime rate.
And allowing them to work before they're approved will completely screw that up.
And just, you know, not even fence them in. Anyway, look, we've spoken about that now.
It's a state of play. I'm sorry to bring you that news, but that's where we are.