They Look Exactly The Same, But Why Did Liu Bang Achieve Great Success While Liu Bei Did Not?

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AI GeneratedThis video analyzes the striking similarities and fundamental differences between Liu Bang, the founder of the Han Dynasty, and Liu Bei, who sought to restore it centuries later. While both rose from poverty and possessed the charisma to win hearts, Liu Bang successfully unified China, whereas Liu Bei's Shu Han remained a small, fragmented state. The analysis concludes that Liu Bei's failure was due to a lack of a supreme military commander and an unfavorable geopolitical era.
Welcome back to BattleCry. Today, Lu Bang and Lu Bei, the Han founder and his successor.
Separated by centuries, yet eerily similar. Both rose from humble, impoverished beginnings.
Both emerged from the chaos of war, blood, and the collapse of empires.
Lu Bang excelled at winning hearts, Lu Bei was a master of the same craft.
Both were driven by great ambition, to unify the realm and restore the Han.
Despite these striking similarities, they were fundamentally different in one regard.
This difference determined not just their fates, but the course of Chinese history.
The one, singular difference between them.
Lu Bang unified the realm, founding a dynasty that lasted four centuries.
While Lu Bei's Shu Han remained small, his grand ambitions cut short.
Few realize Hanzhong was where Lu Bang built his power to unify the land.
And it was the very same place where Lu Bei later made his stand.
So why did one build a lasting empire, while the other's lofty dreams remained unfulfilled?
Let's join BattleCry and find out.
The Strategic Hanzhong
To understand them, we must look at where they stake their claim, Hanzhong.
In western China, Hanzhong was historically underdeveloped due to its rugged terrain and
harsh climate. When Lu Bang led his forces into Hanzhong, he knew he was entering a
dangerous stronghold. Easily defended but hard to attack, Hanzhong was Lu Bang's strategic pivot.
Though remote and rugged when he first arrived.
The fertile soil meant with proper development, it could become an impregnable base.
Guarding the exit from Hanzhong were the plank roads leading to rich Hanzhong.
Lu Bang received Hanzhong just after Xiang Yu sacked and destroyed the Qin capital.
As the heartland, Hanzhong was a vital base for the Three Qin and a hub for all warlords.
Why bring up Guanzhong when discussing Lu Bang and Hanzhong?
Because Guanzhong was the bottleneck for Lu Bang's conquest of the realm.
Xiang Yu, after burning the Ipane Palace and slaughtering the Qin, left the people outraged.
He foolishly entrusted Guanzhong to the three surrendered Qin generals.
This blunder by Xiang Yu became the foundation of Lu Bang's empire.
To the Qin people, those three generals were merely turncoats.
Behind Xiang Yu's back, the flames of rebellion smoldered across the Three Qin.
Unlike the unrest in the Three Qin, Lu Bang, following Xiao He, won the people's hearts.
Thus, the people of Guanzhong were already longing for his arrival.
So when Han exiles secretly crossed the Qin Song, he pacified Guanzhong rapidly.
He turned it into the crucial base for the Chuhan contention.
Centuries later, Lu Bang also sought to restore the Han from Hanzhong.
A few hundred years may seem like a long time.
Yet in human history, it is but a grain of sand.
Geological shifts take millions of years to move mountains and rivers.
For Lu Bang, the Qinling Mountains remained just as imposing.
Hanzhong remained a strategic stronghold, easy to defend but hard to attack.
But perhaps, the times had changed drastically.
The capital was no longer at Xianying, it had long shifted to Luoyang.
Lu Bei lacked the fortune that Lu Bang once enjoyed.
He lacked the fertile heartland of Guanzhong and was confined to Hanzhong.
The situation had become significantly more dire.
Lu Bei only possessed the advantage of the rugged terrain.
Both Guanzhong and Hanzhong had entered an era of decline.
Compared to the Qin, they lagged behind.
Without a Han exile to win the world for him,
Lu Bei's forces were, at best, a disorganized rabble.
Lu Bang, too, initially sought only to rule Hanzhong.
As Xiao He said, if the king only desires Hanzhong, Han exile is unneeded.
But to conquer the world, Han exile is essential.
What Lu Bei lacked was a supreme military commander.
Someone to orchestrate the armies and conquer rivals.
Many would argue that Lu Bei had no shortage of talent.
Like Zhuge Liang, Peng Tong, the Five Tiger Generals, and so on.
Indeed, these figures were legends throughout history.
Here, we must analyze this more closely
and separate the facts from the romanticized fiction.
In reality, the difference between a strategist and a commander is vast.
Perhaps in historical novels,
Luo Guanzhong somewhat elevated Zhuge Liang's military prowess.
However, if we look at the full picture,
Zhuge Liang only directly commanded two major campaigns.
The Southern Campaign and the Northern Expeditions.
Along with part of the campaign to see Shu.
The Southern and Western Campaigns were great successes.
Yet the Northern Expeditions never achieved final victory.
Compared to a military prodigy like Han Exian, he fell short.
Zhuge Liang and Peng Tong were brilliant statesmen.
Comparable to Zhang Liang and Xiao He,
they devised grand strategies to influence the world.
But lacked the battlefield dominance of Han Exian.
Lu Bei had famous generals,
but none possessed Han Exian's genius for overall military command.
Guan Yu, leader of the Five Tigers, was brave but arrogant.
He could dominate in small skirmishes.
Yet, he lacked the capacity to command vast armies across different fronts.
Ultimately, his arrogance cost him his life on the battlefield.
Huang Zhong showed great talent with his achievements in Han Zhong.
But age took its toll, and he passed away before completing the grand mission.
As for Zhang Fei and Ma Chao, they simply lacked the necessary stature.
Both were undeniably elite warriors of high martial prowess.
But their tactical insight was limited to minor skirmishes.
They couldn't command a nation's military.
Then there is Zhao Yun, often considered as fierce as Lu Bu.
Yet, fundamentally, he lacked the ability to lead armies.
Throughout his career, he rarely led a main force or held a strategic territory.
His role was primarily to protect Lu Bei and the royal guard.
Wei Yan is another figure who warrants a more complex discussion.
He was a general who possessed both martial skill and strategic talent.
He defended Han Zhong for years and proved his worth with an elite defense system.
This made Xu Han's frontier as solid as a rock for many years.
However, two reasons kept Wei Yan from becoming the supreme commander.
First, he lacked the trust of Zhuge Liang, preventing him from ever leaving the full army.
Second, his schemes often showed recklessness and lacked total foresight.
You are likely thinking of his plan to attack through Ziwu Valley.
Battlecry will provide a separate analysis of that strategy in another video.
Otherwise, throughout his time in Shu and the northern expeditions,
Wei Yan never achieved any major strategic victories beyond his individual combat skills.
Lu Bei was different, his ranks were filled with commanders like Fan Kuai, Zhou Bo, and Chao Kan.
They fought for the Han mandate, and their prowess was the equal of any five-tiger general.
But most vital was Han Exian, the unparalleled god of war.
As a strategist, every campaign he led, whether outnumbered or outgunned,
was a masterclass in tactical intellect.
From his secret crossings to the ten-sided ambushes, his maneuvers were legendary.
Victories at Jingxing or Geisha remained timeless works of art that left future generations in awe.
When appointed general, his strategic vision became the foundation for the Han's victory over Chu.
As commander, he pacified the three Qin's, conquered Wei, and Dai, then Zhao, Yan, and Qi.
By the final victory at Geisha, he had decimated the Chu forces without a single defeat.
His unrivaled merit built the foundation for the Han dynasty's 400-year reign.
In Chu, there was simply no commander who could compare to Han Exian's genius.
As for the state of the world, Chu's national strength was limited.
Lu Bei's environment during his eastern campaign differed greatly from Lu Bei's.
In Lu Bei's era, the feudal lords were largely independent regional rivals.
Making it easier to sow discord, he essentially faced only one true foe.
He didn't have to fear betrayal from within, and their territories were open for conquest.
Han Exian had already swept away most of the minor warlords.
Lu Bei only needed to stall Xiang Yu to secure the empire.
Lu Bei's situation was not a chaotic struggle for founding an empire.
The Han had unified the central plains, there were no small, fractured lords to manipulate.
Wei and Wu were not mere pawns to be easily tossed aside.
Lu Bei faced more than just the valiant but shortsighted Xiang Yu.
He faced the legendary Chao Chao, a brilliant polymath far more strategic than Xiang Yu.
A truly formidable opponent.
Then there was Sun Quan, a master of statecraft and politics.
With his own ambitions.
Though Shu and Wu were ostensibly allies.
In reality, there is no eternal friendship in war, only eternal interests.
Ultimately, Jingzhou and the loss of Guan Yu became an incurable wound for Shu.
Wei posed no such existential threat to Shu.
In the late Han, the realm was split in three.
Though Lu Bei declared himself emperor in Shu.
His state held far fewer people and soldiers than his two rivals.
Chao Chao held over half the realm, vastly outmatching Lu Bei in economy,
politics, and military strength.
During the Han-Shu contention, Lu Bei faced the mighty Xiang Yu.
But after Han exiles campaigns conquered Yan, Zhao, Wei, and Qi.
Lu Bei essentially secured half the empire.
With many lords defecting to his side.
Lu Bei's power had become overwhelming.
Defeating Xiang Yu was only natural.
The Han dynasty's fate was sealed.
All things must rise and fall.
Every being and endeavor follows a cycle of life and death.
The empire unites, then fragments.
It is destiny, beyond human power to avert.
When Lu Bei sought Zhuge Liang, Cui Zhouping told him,
seeking peace in chaotic times is noble, but.
Peace and chaos have always alternated.
Emperor Gaozu slew the serpent to end the tyranny of Qin and bring peace.
By emperor's A.I. and Ping,
peace had lasted 200 years until Wang Main's usurpation brought chaos again.
Emperor Guangwu then restored the dynasty,
ushering in another era of order.
Another 200 years have passed, and the peace is once again broken by war.
This transition from order to chaos is not easily reversed.
General, to rely on soldiers to reshape heaven and earth.
Is futile and will only exhaust you.
You must heed my words, to follow heaven is peaceful, to defy it is toil.
If fate is set, is it impossible to resist?
The decline of the Han was, in truth, an inevitable fate.
Even with Zhuge Liang's genius or any other gifted aid,
the fall of the Han remained inevitable.
Lu Bei's failure to unify the realm was equally unavoidable.
Even Sima Hui foresaw this end before Zhuge Liang ever descended.
Zhuge Liang found his lord, yet he missed his era.
To summarize these factors, one might lean toward the metaphysical.
But the Han's collapse and Lu Bei's failed unification were simply destiny.
In many ways, Lu Bei and Lu Bang were alike, yet Lu Bang.
