Why Time, Space, and Matter Are an Illusion | Rupert Spira & Don Hoffman

Is science finally waking up to what the great spiritual traditions have been pointing to all along? I spoke with Donald Hoffman and Rupert Spira about what we really know about reality — and what we don’t. We discuss the illusion of spacetime, our one shared Being and consciousness.

This conversation was originally recorded a couple of years ago for Rupert's channel, but I've never shared it here. It's one of the most insightful exchanges I've had the pleasure of hosting - hope you enjoy.

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0:00 Introduction
3:20 Can we trust what we see?
8:40 The blind spot in mainstream science
14:10 What’s really doing the seeing?
19:45 Where is matter, exactly?
26:20 Space-time is cracking
33:40 Why isn’t this bigger news?
39:05 The word “illusion” is misunderstood
45:10 Dimensions beyond what we perceive
56:30 What’s a conscious agent?
1:03:15 One reality, many appearances
1:10:20 Why anything seems separate
1:16:05 Is there purpose behind this play?
1:24:30 How perception builds a user interface
1:34:50 Towards a deeper science
1:40:20 Bridging science and direct experience
1:48:00 What ancient teachings got right
1:54:30 When thinking lets go
2:00:40 The illusion of being a separate someone
2:09:00 How to meet fear and belief
2:14:10 Embodying this, not just talking about it