Most car buyers negotiate the vehicle price — and then lose thousands in the finance office. In this video, Kevin Hunter breaks down 7 common finance office tricks dealers use to increase profit after you think the deal is done. From interest rate markups and payment packing to extended warranty pressure and back-end product stacking, these tactics can quietly inflate your Out-The-Door price.
If you don’t understand how the finance office works, you can negotiate a great front-end deal and still overpay.
Inside this episode, you’ll learn: • How interest rate markups really work • What “payment packing” looks like • How extended warranties are structured • The truth about GAP pricing • Why add-ons are bundled at signing • How dealers shift profit from front-end to back-end • How to protect yourself before signing
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Seven finance office tricks that quietly cost car buyers thousands of dollars.
We've said a lot about dealer finance over the years because the finance office
is where good car deals go to quietly explode. Not with shouting,
not with drama, but with hidden tactics buried in the paperwork,
or as some people are noticing, hidden on an iPad.
But that's exactly why the finance officer wants to fan past those things
quickly. They don't want to get into an argument with you about it.
You can negotiate for two hours with the salesman on the showroom floor.
You can finish that process feeling great about your deal,
but then lose $3,000 in the last 18 minutes when your deal hits the finance
office.
That's why this stuff is so important to know and most buyers don't even realize
it happened.
Today we're breaking down the seven finance office tricks that cost car buyers
thousands and exactly how to shut them down.
The amazing Elizabeth joins me now as we crack open this discussion about seven
common tricks in dealer finance.
And these aren't conspiracy theories, friends.
These are structural tactics dealers have built into their process.
If you don't know what you're looking at,
you're going to be playing defense and let's fix that right now.
All right. Trick number one, payment packing.
This is the most common one by far. You sit down and hear good news.
We've got you approved at 542 a month, exactly where you want it to be.
Nothing said about the total price.
Nothing said about the total amount financed.
Nothing said about the total of payments because information like this would not
be good news. It would scare the pants off of you.
That's why they just say a monthly number and that alone is clear evidence of
payment packing.
And here's why it works. If you stretch a loan from 60 months,
you know the same amount of money to 72 months, the payment drops.
Even if the total cost skyrockets, they can bury a warranty plans,
gap insurance, service plans, protection packages, add-ons,
a rate markup and your payment barely moves.
Monthly payment is the most manipulated number in the entire deal.
Here's how you fix this.
Always demand to see the total amount finance,
the total cost of the payments and the term length.
If they won't show that to you immediately, just stop right there.
You've seen and heard enough. This refusal is a major red flag.
Yep. It's actually against the law. Trick number two, rate markup.
Here's one most buyers never even consider,
but it's a trick that is quickly exposed by a buyer with a loan preapproval
from their own bank. That's why they always tell you to have that preapproval.
Let's say their bank approves you at five and a half percent.
The dealership is legally allowed in most States to mark that up.
So it gets written into your deal at seven and a half percent.
You never see their bank approval sheet, but you still have your own.
You only see the rate they put on the contract.
That 2% markup on a $40,000 loan over 72 months.
That's thousands of dollars that just went poof. If you let them get away with it,
why do they do this? The finance office earns a big commission on that spread.
This isn't illegal. It's just an undisclosed margin of profit,
but here's the fix. Ask them directly.
What rate did the bank actually approve me at? Then pause.
Silence is great leverage and it puts big pressure on them.
If you don't get a clear answer, pull out your own preapproval and show them,
you know, I have 5.5%. You say,
that's what you need to meet or beat or I stick with my own bank.
Now they are stuck.
Here's trick number three, product bundling. Now we enter the bundling zone.
You hear we've included a protection package for only $38 per month.
You ask, what's it for? What's in it? Protection. Well, that's not an answer.
It sure isn't, but it's likely to include a service plan, gap insurance,
tire protection plan, maybe even key fob replacement.
All of it is conveniently rolled into one payment number.
Bundling eliminates comparison and if you can't compare,
you can't evaluate what's good or bad in the deal, but here's the fix.
Separate line items only ask, what is the price of each product individually?
Then ask, is this stuff optional or mandatory? Then shut up and listen.
Wait for as long as it takes for them to respond.
Pay attention to the body language for clues. Hi, Kevin Hunter here.
Now listen, some of you actually enjoy the dealer process.
You like negotiating. You like understanding dealer tactics.
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Here's trick number four, fear framing.
This one is emotional and it gets a lot of people.
A finance officer might ask you'll want to protect your investment is what
you're likely to hear. What happens if your transmission fails next year?
In the old standby question, what happens if you total the car?
And then they might go on to tell you a completely fake story of a guy who
bought the expensive gap insurance from the dealer and it saved him.
Or maybe another story of someone who didn't buy the gap and he lost everything.
Both stories are completely made up, but they've made them so many times.
They have the details committed to memory. Want to do something funny here?
Regardless of which story they tell you,
ask how much did they save or how much should they lose?
You hear a pause followed by several thousand dollars.
If I recall correctly,
that answer comes slower than the previous details because they weren't ready
for a question about facts here. They hadn't run that through their mind yet.
What if inflation increases your repair costs?
They sell risk-based products by digging into your emotions.
This is not real and it is not math,
but they know the fear closes more deals than logic.
But here's what most buyers don't ask.
What is the statistical failure rate on this vehicle?
Didn't I select a reliable car? On the insurance you quoted,
what is the deductible? And on that service plan,
where's the actual contract? What's covered and what's excluded?
If they hand you a brochure,
push that right back to them and say, that's just advertising.
I want to see the actual contract.
Your fear disappears as you put it under the microscope of probability.
Now the fix here, just pause, slow down the tempo,
ask for data, not emotion.
Trick number five, the silent re-add.
This one is super sneaky and very dishonest.
You declined vent etching on the floor.
You said no to nitrogen. You removed a $1,200 protection package.
You thought those conversations were over,
but then you sat in finance and doggone it, they're back on the contract.
It came in quietly, tucked into the total amount financed.
Most buyers are mentally tired by this stage and the paperwork moves quickly.
That's not an accident. It's intentional, but here's the fix.
Compare buyer's order versus the retail installment contract.
Go line by line and take your time.
If something reappears, stop the process.
Here's trick number six, the backend term restructure.
Now this one happens inside the finance office, not on the showroom floor,
but it catches many people by surprise. You sit down,
you think everything is locked in. Then suddenly the term changes.
It had been shown 60 months out there,
but the paperwork now shows 72 or maybe even 84 months. Why?
Because stretching the term lowers the monthly payment,
which allows the finance office to insert products or costs without you noticing
the true cost.
Here's how it works. Let's say your payment was going to be 620 for 60 months.
They add in gap, warranty, tire protection.
That would raise your payment to 710 bucks.
So instead they stretched the term to 72 months and now the payment is 628 and
you think, oh, that's barely any different,
but you just agreed to 12 extra payments, more interest, more total costs,
more depreciation exposure.
And rarely does anyone compare the term they agreed to on the sales floor with a
term on the finance contract because the monthly number feels close enough.
This is one of the cleanest profit moves in the building.
Here's the fix to this before signing, confirm the term length,
the number of months, total costs of all payments,
total interest paid over the term of the loan. Here's where you can say,
I negotiated 60 months. Why is this now 72 months? Then wait,
give them silence and wait for them to respond because in this moment,
this works for you again.
Trick number seven, the you must make three payments lie.
You've heard this one many times in the finance office,
especially if you put down a large down payment, they will say,
if you plan to pay this off early, that's fine,
but make sure you make at least three payments. The bank wants that.
That statement is false,
but what it does is protect the finance officer's commission and they really
aren't in love with chargebacks. Here's the truth.
Auto loans with 61 months cannot legally have prepayment penalties.
It's still not a bad idea to verify this on your contract and do take the time
to read the contract yourself. Do not just review the summary.
A good fix right here. Confirm with them.
Is there any prepayment penalty on this? If the answer is no,
show me where it's written and then you know, you're protected.
If the answer is yes, just say stop. Now, listen,
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others definitely don't. If you'd rather not manage this dance alone,
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All right. Why the finance office matters so much.
We've hit on this several times over the years,
and there's a reason why we keep hearing these nightmare stories all the time.
The reason for the nightmares is simple.
Here's what most buyers are misunderstanding.
The finance office is not just paperwork. It is a profit center,
a dealer cash machine, if you will.
Often it's the most profitable room in the entire building.
And if you think you negotiated a strong front end price,
but ignore the backend, you may have erased all of your savings.
A $1,500 discount can disappear in 90 seconds in the finance office.
But here's how to shift power back. Let's simplify. Before finance,
make sure the written OTD was confirmed. Have your trade resolved.
And in writing add-ons declined.
And then inside of finance demand transparency, question everything,
separate the products, compare contracts, confirm no prepayment penalty.
And most importantly, slow everything down. Speed benefits,
the seller structure benefits, the buyer.
Being informed doesn't make you a difficult person.
It means you're disciplined and it gives you the opportunity to get a better deal
than most people do.
As we've pointed out the finance offices where deals quietly explode.
And now you know where to look.
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You enjoy getting down and dirty with a car salesman. Others do not.
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