Joint press statements by Meloni and Merz (simultaneous translation)

So good afternoon to everyone thank you again for being here I'm really happy to have you all here osted today in Rome the Chancellor Merz and his ministers for this intergovernmental summ between Italy and Germany the second in just over two years since the one we celebrated Berlin in November 2023 It is an event that moreover marks the beginning of a particularly significant year significant for the bilateral relations between our nations especially in 2000 wenty-six marks the seventy-fifth anniversary of the resumption of diplomatic relations between Rome and Berlin and clearly this summit also takes place at a particularly pivotal historical juncture a complex situation that forces Europe to decide whether it wishes to be the protagonist of its own destiny or rather endure it From our perspective it is a phase that demands clarity responsibility courage and above all the intelligence required to turn crises into opportunity Personally I am convinced that at this turning point in history Italy and Germany bear a particular responsibility—clearly due to their history their weight and their leadership we are two major European nations founding members of the Union key players in the dynamics ernationals we are the two leading manufacturing powers in Europe with production systems Industrial sectors that are highly interconnected in many ways are complementary above all we are both interpreters of a shared vision on some of the most critical issues strategic and in practice pursue the same fundamental goal which is to build a Europe authoritative a Europe aware of its role in the world capable of being competitive the global scenario capable of strengthening its strategic autonomy with pragmatism with precision with common sense Two years ago in Berlin we signed a pla of action aimed at raising our bilateral cooperation to a higher level gher and explore new areas of shared growth—exactly what we have achieved in these years in these months as demonstrated by the many examples of collaboratio which we have built I am thinking of the agreement on gas supply security I am thinking of the joint venture between Leonardo and RheinMental considering the agreement for the integration of Ita Airways within the Lufthansa group but I could cite many other examples With today's summit we have decided to continue down this path to keep investing with confidence our strengthened cooperation is setting even more ambitious goals Today I believe I can confidently say tha saying that Italy and Germany are closer than ever and I think this represents good news not only for our peoples but also for Europe as a whole because wo important friendly allied nations strong both economically and as industrialized nations like Italy and Germany move in the same direction eac our unique value then creates the conditions for achieving excellent and significant results results for our businesses our workers and our citizens alike complex Today we have decided to strengthen this cooperation by which we mean cooperation betwee e most accurate meaning of the term as I've already mentioned often lies in its etymology Parole restore to us the deepest image and meaning of what we say cooperatio comes from the Latin cooperare meaning to work together In cooperation there is never a subjec active and passive parties buyer and seller for example in genuine cooperatio ere's always something new emerging where each person brings their unique value That is precisely what we are doing what we are accomplishing today on this significant day adopting three highly significant documents in addition to the agreements you have seen are now first signed and exchanged The first is a cooperation agreement that updates e bilateral action plan signed in 2023 expands our areas of cooperation I think about agriculture I think about the further strengthening we intend to impart to the our already solid industrial cooperation I think of cultural dialogue I think of collaboratio managing migration flows one of the critical challenges facing our continent is the need to balance security humanitarian responsibility and sustainable integration There is full alignment with the German chancellor including on migration both of them we believe the main challenge lies in securing the Union's external borders the fight against human trafficking committed to ensuring respect for the rule of law strengthening the return system as well as in cooperation with nations routes of origin and transit that Italy in particular but not exclusively Italy is striving to develop rough a new model of cooperation with the African continent Our goal is It is clearly essential to consolidate this shift in approach thanks in part to our governments has gained strength and continues to grow increasingly in Europe enabling this years of ensuring a significant reduction in irregular entries from departures commitment to address illegal landings Italy intends to continue pursuing solutions ovative starting from the protocol with Albania which we have actively promoted I wa ell Chancellor Merz that I am grateful for his decision to participate consistently e informal working group that meets among countries sharing the same visio on the sidelines of the European Council meetings specifically on the issue of migration The other major topic is very An important point on which we agree with Chancellor Merz is that a decisive step is necessary a shift in Europe regarding the competitiveness of our businesses as it is now a fac is clear and evident to anyone who is intellectually honest that a certain ideological perspective o e green transition ultimately ended up crippling our industries in order to deliver Europe faces new strategic dependencies without truly making a tangible impact the global protection of the environment and nature We are convinced that there is room for improvement o correct these errors and prevent the industrial decline of our contine of course requires courage We want to accelerate progress on these issues and the reason is for which we will present ourselves at the next informal summit on February 12 in Brussels e discussion for the upcoming crucial March summit particularly on competitiveness begins here with our joint non-paper focused on this topic among our non-negotiable priorities simplifying and reducing bureaucracy Europe the strengthening of the single market the revitalization of the automotive industry the spirit of technological neutrality an ambitious trade policy based on rules equal treatment and fair conditions It is the second document signed today and is a docume work that I consider highly meaningful which we intend to share with the Commissio Europe with the President of the European Council as well as with all the other leaders who will attend and these discussions Equally significant is the third document we have signed s morning on the topics of defense security and resilience—areas in which Italy and Germany can rely on industrial entities of absolute excellence that generate an extremely hig added value We aim to strengthen our cooperation in this area as we consider it essential at our production systems can make a significant contribution to the constructio at solid pillar of the Atlantic alliance we have long called for without ever truly taking meaningful action or following through To this end I have Italy also informed Chancellor Merz of its decision to join the multilateral agreement e existing agreement among Germany France Spain and the United Kingdom regarding arms exports That's precisely why we had an important 2 plus 2 meeting this morning between our sides foreign ministers and ministers of defense to coordinate positions and work together and even closer cooperation on major international issues starting with Ukraine and from the Middle East Here too our connection has always been strong on both sides On the front lines we will continue doing our part to achieve a just and lasting peace Ukraine to establish a stable framework for security and prosperity in the Middle East We also discussed this morning how to enhance our cooperation on many fronts other fronts such as energy interconnections and the issue of interconnections itself economic and infrastructural factors that are increasingly decisive for this era we are working ogether to support the strategic initiatives aligned with this goal I believe e South-East-2 Corridor Medlink ELMED IMEC then the corridor connecting India the Middle East and Europe where Italy and Germany play leading roles in Europe As you can see the work we've done and still have to do is extensive yet in the Today's events not only confirm the partnership between Italy and Germany but also decide strengthen it at every level by working side by side on challenges that are crucial to the future our time In these hours I've read some comments a few The observer said that 2026 will be Italy's and Germany's year but I don't know whether that's true e forecast matches reality and what I can say is that we intend to give it our all We absolutely intend to do our part to strengthen a friendship that is strategic ot only for our nations but also vital for all of Europe thank you again Chancellor And the word is yours Here's the Council dear Giorgia first of all On behalf of my colleagues the Ministers and Ministers thank you for the warm welcome And for this warm meeting we've had today here in Rome these government consultations that were so thoroughly prepared over the past weeks and that we have now successfully carried ou Today we will conclude with a business meeting We have observed that Germany and Italy are very close closer than they have ever been we are celebrating this milestone of 75 years of diplomatic relations which is the anniversary we mark today 2026 which shows that we truly have a very important task ahead one that has involved a long period of close collaboration because together we have In addition to the other four countries we are founding members of the European community and the treaties were firmly established in Rome the foundations for a closer and even more partnership-oriented cooperatio Between Germany and Italy we want 2026 to be a year of opportunity It's a year of decisions and indeed there are the necessary foundations between Germany and Italy a natural alignment in assessing the challenges before us in our countries and in the Our democracies as well as the European Union as a whole share strong alignment in values and in the interests This morning we returned from Brussels having attended a summit extraordinary European and in this context we have presented our positions With strong convergence we have two important tasks ahead of us and we are determined to achieve them e competitiveness of industries we've realized we must together do more for Our security I would like to recall our first meeting here in Rome after the appointment Since taking up my assignment I have come to Rome and engaged in an intense exchange during which we have observed exactly because in so many files we have strong convergence so we are working toward an Europe that must now focus on essential matters we must continue to working for peace in Ukraine and I want to say this personally in these past few days during the winter war we are increasing our support for Kyiv and Ukraine especially as far as energy supply is concerned but we also support the negotiations Peace and with Zelensky we are in constant exchange We want a united Europe a beloved figure in a new era of great powers this week we have fel almost every day on how to handle the difficult issue of Greenland and Denmar and together with Emmanuel Macron who is the Stammer and Donald Tusk and the other European neighbors we have jointly stating that Europe must do more to ensure Arctic security in commo ransatlantic interest Germany will strengthen its commitment and Italy has just adopted many of you will know Italy has adopted a new Arctic strategy which we We can essentially agree as Denmark and the people of Greenland ca Count on solidarity on our solidarity based on sovereignty and integrity erritorial we aim to support discussions among Denmark Greenland and the States Unite yourselves and this will be possible only through mutual agreement During The European Council therefore decided yesterday that it is important to respond firmly and we have a very clear compass in a new era of great powers Europe mus strong and resolute we aim to safeguard NATO—we in Europe know full well how vital it is precious is the trust upon which NATO is based we know this trust is the advantage a decisive competitive edge not only for the United States but for America globally yet today we have not only dealt with emergency diplomacy but have literally set the foundation for a new era The agenda for this year's opportunities we've just signed an action pla a sophisticated Italian-German initiative developed by the two governments in recent weeks to enhance competitiveness for a new bilateral dynamic in the defense industry and a migration policy Being committed we always view this group through a European lens the European economy must regain new momentum and we want to activate it together from the beginning of the years The gap in growth between the European Union and the United States is steadily widening and to China this also undermines our ability to act and our European solidarity which is why Italy and Germany want to give a new impetus Europe we have decided together on this and this is the goal especially whe We will meet on February 12 in Belgium we want to dismantle bureaucracy across Europe to become more competitive Giorgia you just said it—this is truly our top priority we wa a trade policy of the European Union that leverages the agreement between the European Union Mercosur has been a significant breakthrough and the European Council has already decided it mus ake effect additional agreements will follow starting with India there will also be as well as missions to India by the Commission and the Council we want to have agreements with Australia and with Asian countries regarding trade agreements and it is very important it was the security and defense policy we signed an agreement that strengthens our cooperation in the defense sector and aligns our efforts military procurement we want to coordinate more closely on security policy and In defense our defense ministers and defense personnel have met a new format we also want to strengthen cooperation in the realm of internal security Coordination in European migration policy is particularly close and thanks to this cooperation it has also been possible to reform the common asylum system e European one we set for ourselves in Brussels then we also concluded a bilateral agreeme and a cooperation agreement on confidentiality the Minister of the Interior He pointed out that Italy will be the only country with such an agreement but not sharing a border With Germany otherwise bilateral agreements are only with neighboring countries Ladies and gentlemen 2026 is not merely the anniversary of diplomatic relations It is the 75th and Goethe's Italian journey also celebrates its 240th anniversary Goethe's journey so this was likely the advertising campaign and e cultural itinerary we've agreed upon will trace the path of today's public-minded spirit thus we have arranged a journey through culture that reflects this ethos Goethe's journey through Italy a splendid idea—I don't think there's a better expression best of our friendship so in that spirit dear Giorgio thank you For the welcome for this hospitality in Rome and thank you for the cooperation we will have in 2026 and beyond this year Question for both the strengthening of this synergy between Italy and Germany beyond and to be admitted as a leader in the European context it also aims to be a response How should Europe respond defensively to Donald Trump's increasingly aggressive if not outright hostile attitudes toward it Personally I wouldn't say our willingness to cooperate with the United States remains a strong will to cooperate I would say that Italy and Germany both nations who historically maintain privileged relations with the United States in Europe which stem from trade exchanges and mutual investments which stem from the fact that both countries host American military bases assist in this report I believe Italy and Germany can do so particularly When working together even thanks to a pragmatic and non-instinctive approach to relationships with the United States of America After that certainly my colleague Chancellor Merz and I share the view tha another fundamental aspect is that the main debate in Europe should no being clear about what we expect others to do for us our e main discussion should be about what we can do for ourselves which is precisely e focus of our joint document on competitiveness and the work at hand what we are striving to achieve together to strengthen strategic capability and economic power and the credible international presence of Europe certainly together Italy and Germany They can do very important work I agree with what Giorgia said Meloni but allow me to further clarify one additional aspect from a European standpoint Not only should we do more to defend ourselves but we have also taken defense upon ourselves Decided even for Laia during the summit concerning NATO first and foremost we must simplify all of our systems—we build in a way tha oo complex and convoluted plus we have too many parallel systems that are developed and paid for simultaneously and therefore we truly need mutual support and if we align ourselves with these three guiding principles—simplification reducing the number and then naturally also a kind of ladder a graded number in this sense at this point we might achieve ave much more reasonable budgets so to make things significantly simpler we should naturally work together regarding our defense industry in a way that ensures effectiveness efficiently by having the broadest possible defense through contributions at we can make available collectively because we are not addressing ourselves oward NATO member states but toward external threats such as those coming from outside for example cyber activities incorrect information misleading content and so forth which is why we are the ones who we follow a concept of security that spans Italy and Germany therefore also encompassing as simple as possible so we're not making any effort beyond that po It concerns the defense of the defense policy itself as a concept but we work together at the level of intelligence at the level of policing naturally to strengthen our democracy More resilient to threats from both outside and within—and that is our shared responsibility Mr President you have just naturally referred to the Mercosur agreements regarding e act of putting them into practice has been noted to not always be democratic so At this point will they be put into practice and take effect So she is Europe's first chancellor's partner in a role akin to that of the French president's substitute though there are occasionally some differences Regarding Mercosur I claim the work Italy has done to advance the agreement more balanced we felt the agreement particularly favored certain sectors particularly in addressing imbalances in the agricultural sector we have worked in a highly proactive manner Thanks to the Commission's willingness we secured the outcome we wanted through our collaboration with the Commission and even from partners some very important responses to reassure and defend a fundamental asset of the European economy namely agriculture at that time For us the agreement has become balanced and as you know Italy has given its approval for subscribing to the Mercosur agreement after which there was parliamentary interventio which could delay its implementation by at least one year up to one and a half years after two years and therefore the Commission is assessing whether to temporarily implement but that is a matter for the Commission all I can say is that today Italy consider the agreement a balanced one and that securing that balance was key allow Mercosur and free trade with Mercosur nations to explain everything s positive effects After that I never read anything concerning the second part of the question and beyond let's just say I never read politics in this way mode I believe Italy in Europe represents a fundamental nation I believe Italy oday is demonstrating on the international and European chessboard its stability and strength s concreteness even its courage in raising questions that are right for e future of the continent even when addressing it may seem uncomfortable and I believe that's exactly how it should be say earning respect and greater respect from his counterparts and I strive to do the same On my part I don't care about replacing anyone I care about the major nations of Europe Riescans to engage in dialogue about the major challenges Europe faces because unfortunately We are not living in a historical era if I may say so that allows us the luxury of childishness the interpretation of foreign policy This phase is a delicate complex one for certa serious version requires appropriate responses To achieve this we must address the serious and profound questions not simplifications With regard to Mercosur I have a comment The Mercosur agreement was intended to be put in place practice for 25 years and has been signed and I regret that the European Parliament has not ratified The world is waiting for the European Union to be able to act having taken this decision Let's be honest at this point it's a court-ordered request for verification precisely in line with European law For some it was also the motive o prevent this treaty but the legitimacy of this agreement is beyond question refers to a decision taken by a qualified majority of the Council of Ministers therefore as well as all the representatives who are necessarily present so at this point there has bee As previously mentioned this very circumstance calls for the gratitude I now express as for Giorgia Meloni regarding this debate that has taken place especially also e Italian intervention as I truly wish to express my heartfelt thanks such a way that this collaboration has taken place Thanks to Italy a majority has been achieved qualified and this has ensured that the agreement is legitimized from this standpoint a distinctly democratic view for a temporary entry into force and thus also two weeks at the level of the Council of Ministers this decision was made and at the moment whe A North American country may ratify it allowing it to enter into force temporarily because it is naturally a matter of trade policy that is occasionally employed and thus o weaken Europe and therefore I would now like to encourage the Commissio o establish and sign similar agreements also with other countries for example if anticipated o go to India Mexico Indonesia Australia—since all these countries have been mentioned I would like to do everything within my power to support you during this critical mome we are committed to ensuring the European Union can sign additional agreements s is the most important contribution we can make to ensure tha ensure economic growth in our countries and I simply cannot understand the fact tha at there are still political forces in Europe determined to prevent it from the far right I'm not surprised by the left nor by the far right but I am surprised that instead There are those among us who have been considered friends yet still surprise me but regardless we will not let anyone stop us Manuela Perrone Sole24Ore Good morning Mr President good morning Chancellor I'm returning to the competitiveness document President Meloni I ask you which sectors in your opinion Germany and Italy can make a decisive contribution to the world of industry and competitiveness How do you plan to move this document forward given the skepticism from the more doubtful partners on economic integration and also on specific concrete initiatives particularly in the automotive sector stead Chancellor Merz in the joint stateme o oppose unilateral trade measures and the impact of non- market disruptions that threaten global trade serve as a warning to Trump about the dangers ahead New dazzles mean you'd be ready at a moment's notice to deploy counter-dazzles And the anti-coercion instrument that Europe has currently decided to freeze—thanks for that Following the priorities outlined in the document I believe they potentially cover all areas dustrial workers who perform work in the sense that we have sought to summarize could benef because when discussing simplification one is referring to the very issue I just mentioned dazzles we've said many times that European overregulation ultimately ends up representing the constraints we impose on ourselves regarding our productive capacity companies and our enterprises and in essence we're talking about all sectors as well as when discussing strengthening the single market we are obviously talking about having 450 million people o whom you can turn with your products more quickly and precisely When discussing lower costs for those producing such goods it's clear the focus shifts to automotive For two nations like Italy and Germany this is a particularly important focus and I believe we have already shown through our cooperation just how impactful the results can be working together because we've already succeeded in reopening the regulatio on CO2 we managed to avoid the completely electric mandate by 2035 and we succeeded o achieve the goals that are still too timid for us I want to say this clearly we need to do a great deal but even more than that—I believe from this perspective working together is essential and have clear concrete proposals to address what the next steps are clearly we are now sending a letter that opens a discussion and then our Working groups convene to identify in detail which proposals are being made more concrete to pursue but I believe there's fairly solid ground to build on here just as we did with migration by initiating this discussion informally as well collaboration with other member states ahead of these important European Council meetings and gradually strive to build a consensus that enables us to uphold these principles and I don't think it's so hard to succeed on matters of common sense because I also believe tha we are living in a historical moment when everyone recognizes that there is a need common sense and that we can no longer afford the luxury of ideological and unreasonable approaches because we risk paying too high a price for this So from my side a brief response First what can we do together Giorgia Meloni spoke about the letter we wrote together with regard to the attachments and the proposals Luna refers to the fact that we urge e Commission to establish new guidelines regarding the right of oversig of fusion These guidelines are absolutely outdated and it's high time they were updated update last summer already to prevent the formation of cartels and so on and so forth so at this point this is our agreement therefore these cross-border mergers we cannot allow it in a way that enables companies to carry out cross-border mergers They can be competitive in the global market One must not focus solely on the marke ernal little one we must instead consider the global market upon which we depend To remain competitive we must therefore have the opportunity to merge on an international scale The second point is that we are working toward revising banking regulations particularly As for capital it holds true in Germany it holds true in Italy and it holds true other countries we must strive to understand the possibilities for granting credits loans for example are much less feasible in European banks compared to large ones American banks and we'd like to change that too Regarding trade policy we will certainly defend ourselves with every possible means if anything were to arise some way it prejudices us we don't want tariffs but countries from around the world that are e warning that a tariff policy must be one that harms Europe In economic policy and in other areas let these countries know that we are ready to defend ourselves We have demonstrated this week and if necessary we are able to convene e European Council at an extraordinary meeting and I believe the action we have demonstrated this week lies a true example a compelling demonstration of what we are capable of and thus what was done for example or threatened to be done by the American president therefore has not been carried out from this point onward so we must stand united and respond swiftly in real time to make it clear yes we can establish commercial agreements with countries that share our views which are ey declare their willingness to enhance trade exchanges open markets and that is sufficie observe what is happening in the exchange between the European Union and Canada particularly Over the past seven years an agreement has also been signed there which is now being discussed en years before signing it even if only temporarily because ere is still no final approval but thank goodness there is this tool available such that it has practically come into effect even if temporarily emporary so we don't want everyone to seize these chances these opportunities Together Giorgio Meloni and I are two prime ministers two government leaders firmly convinced That is why we have drafted this document together in order to do everything possible for our European Union Mr President Chancellor you both have a good relationship with Donald Trump as for the Greenland crisis in recent days at this point how do you see it behave in the future as you participate in the Peace Board the Peace Council In Abu Dhabi for example Europe is not present today and to you this is an insult And I would like to ask you Mr Chancellor a follow-up question regarding Italy and France The relationship with Italy in her view holds the same importance as the relationship between Germany and France she imagines being able to establish a friendship akin to the one w As for Greenland I repeat what I have already said previously regarding the midst of the crisis I believe that with their certainly questionable and assertive methods we ca The United States raise a strategic issue that nonetheless exists concerning the Arctic s time The Arctic is one of the major strategic domains of the twenty-first century and if the Arctic It is one of the great strategic domains of the twenty-first century and I believe this issue must be addressed seriously address within the Atlantic alliance I believe that regarding safety regarding the management of future maritime routes with the melting for a territory exceptionally rich in raw materials as far as that is concerned pertains to a territory that holds a strategically advantageous position particularly in terms of defense anti-aircraft missile systems—this I believe deserves serious in-depth examination what the Atlantic alliance must do which we are all ready to do so that everyone can We understand how important this is and I don't think it's just an issue for the United States but I believe involvement from the United States is obviously necessary as well o address this issue So I remain optimistic about the possibility o bring everyone back to the real issue which is how NATO the Atlantic alliance together She focuses on enhancing her awareness amplifying her presence and aligning herself within a given territory which remains strategic for all of us Regarding the Pisa Border as well Italy's position is one of openness and interest in the initiative I believe it's already clear to everyone that Italy and I think Germany as well ca play a leading role in stabilizing the Middle East and I believe the work tha o consolidate a complex and fragile truce and turn it into a lasting solutio In the long term achieving the two-state solution will require our involvement and thus we have an opening position of availability After that there are objectively e issues regarding how the initiative has been structured which are even more problematic for us than constitutional character: to date the statute we have received would be unconstitutional and therefore incompatible with our legal system I believe we must which is what I have communicated o the President of the United States and the American people also asking whether there was any willingness o reopen this setup in order to also address needs that are not only Italian but also shared by other European countries and I believe we should try to do so o do this work I believe it's never the best choice to exclude oneself a priori I always think that in a time like this the presence of countries like ours It could make a difference so this is currently our stance and we'll see what room there is to find shared solutions First regarding the Peace Council I already mentioned several weeks ago tha a President Trump whom I would personally be willing to join as part of Council of Peace: whether it is an entity as originally planned which accompanies the peace process in Gaza even in a second phase that has not yet begu Unfortunately to disarm Hamas the current structure of the Peace Council itself is already in place for governance on grounds of constitutional law We cannot accept that but certainly we are ready to discuss new forms of cooperation with the United States of America If it concerns o ensure finding a new format that somehow guarantees and brings about peace diverse regions of the world including Gaza the Middle East Ukraine and these ongoing talks which take place this of course is part of our intention and desires and it was agreed upon with America For instance it was planned to carry out a new at the Paris talks it had even been arranged in the past so that there could be a deal between Ukraine the United States and us the Europeans and thus we are supporting this move proceed in a constructive manner always with the desire and hope that we may be steps toward peace We know that security assurances are matters of we have discussed and Zelensky has also reached a final agreement regarding precisely the Americans regarding the guarantees As for our bilateral relationship Between Germany and Italy there is no hierarchy for us in Germany each country is equal It is a country we respect and with which we establish partnership relations whether France or any other since Italy is part of the European Union and we are all members of it the key point is that we are all connected through this shared union The common goal is stronger defense across Europe greater competitiveness across Europe and there are contributions from all sides so the Commission in Brussels is actively working on this sense and therefore each of us can contribute and I am very pleased with that e fact that we are built on a solid foundation Germany and Italy together for 75 years now with this such a stable solid tangible relationship that it is still evident today That is precisely what I envision what I hope for and what I understand to be a relationship of cooperation partnership in such a way that there is an agreement among autonomous states bu while simultaneously supporting one another Giorgio Edio and our governments have lived this reality firsthand just as we truly met in Toulon last summer even in person were finally able to connect face to face From a human personal standpoint working alongside peers is what drives Europe forward I'd like to ask a question on behalf of both of us since there's an ongoing debate in the United States I don't know if you've been following Trump's health and mental state—whether there's anyone who has even casting doubt on American lawmakers Recently Trump revealed some messages mocked publicly by European leaders like Macron who imitated him in turn Macro e wrote to the Norwegian Prime Minister because since he hadn't been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize he So he's no longer interested in peace—he said so himself We've also seen how he has respect for one another and my question to you is this: do you think we can trust each other Another of Donald Trump's abilities if it's becoming a security concer worldwide and if you agree in giving him the Nobel Peace Prize since it's the thing that He seems more interested in this Even that doesn't strike me as a serious way to approach it ernational politics Donald Trump is the elected President of the United States these I've heard the exact same arguments about Joe Biden before him I've even heard them made about him personally on me when at one point I had to be away for five days because I wasn't feeling well—can Giorgia Meloni still lead her country I believe it's necessary that she does do the math with democracy and leaders who are elected and chosen by their own citizens with whom we say we interface because it is not us thanking God who chooses who governs other nations Then as for the Nobel Peace Prize I hope one day We could award a Nobel Peace Prize to Donald Trump and I trust he might take this opportunity to from this perspective making a difference in achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine and thus Finally we might even nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize I couldn't have answer better than Giorgia Meloni did at this moment Next episode