Kim Kardashian | Not Skinny But Not Fat

How do I even introduce Kim Kardashian? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not gonna. Okay. I'm not gonna. I'm going to start by saying, Oh MF ******* G. I can't believe Kim Kardashian is on my podcast. Oh my God. I'm so excited to be on your podcast. If I, like if someone was like in 10 years, would Kim, I wouldn't even put it as a goal cause I wouldn't think it would happen. Just so you know how major this is for me in this moment. I'm so excited. For real. Also that I'm wearing Skims songs right now. You are. Which one? Like the really, the fits everyone, the really stretchy. And like really see-through. Yes. That one. Yeah. And you remember when you said you used to never wear underwear until Skims? Totally. And now you wear. And now. Now I wear the fits everyone thong. The dipped front thong. That's my thing. So. Or the little boy short like at night. But that's pretty much all I wear underwear wise. So I will tell people I used to never wear a thong, like be against it, not get it. Only wear Skims thongs right now. Wow. Forever and always. Wow. Literally. I love that. I'll wear shapewear like shorts, you know, or like the leggings. But I've just never been an underwear girl until fits everyone. And now I wear it like every day. Well, lucky for whoever dates you. I also want to just tell you about, I mean, I've told you how special this is for me, but how special the day you started following me on Instagram was. Really? What do you think? Oh my God. Of course I died. And I thought, I mean, people laugh when I said this, because I was like how like down to earth of her that she's following me because. Well, I used to follow you from my Finsta. And then I was like, Oh, but I don't go to my Finsta that often. So I just wanted it on my regular feed. How am I continuing this interview that you just gave that piece of information? Wait, you have a Finsta right now? So I had a Finsta that was like a real Finsta and like it was only girls following. And I would just post like really wild ----. And then I was like, this is so lame. I don't want to be in the Finsta game, but then I need a stocking Finsta. And so my friend Lala, she had a Finsta and I was like, I don't want to make one again. Like just what's your password. So I just used her Finsta and I kicked her out of her Finsta and now I just used hers just to like stalk people. Like, like dudes? No, like fan accounts or like sometimes like fashion-y things or just everyone you could possibly think of. Oh my God. So you were like doing me a favor. Like Demois. Oh really? I'll look at Demois from my Finsta. Yeah. But I got like the real deal. Yeah. I started following you. So I just want to tell you that that for me was like insane. I couldn't fathom. And it was kind of like, I like, it was like my mom was knowing that my mom was watching, but like in the best way and also in the way that like what I love about you guys and what everyone loves is like how you can laugh at yourself and how all day if you can't, it's like, I mean, there were times I feel like when we would get really sensitive and there are times when other family members will get sensitive and I understand it. So I want to talk about SNL. Yes. So fun to do. And I know we're going to see a lot about it in the show, right? The whole process, how you got to do it. Yeah. It was like one of the first times I think SNL has allowed, I mean, I think definitely the first time a reality show has been behind the scenes of SNL. So they were able to film everything and you'll see my whole journey behind the scenes. So when it first came about, you were like, okay, I'll do it. And then people stress you out and we're like, that's the craziest thing ever. And like you started spinning. It had been like talked about a few seasons ago and I was just like, Oh no, I can never, I can never like hats off to anyone that does it. And now after doing it, I see how crazy it is and I see why people freak, but it wasn't ever really like super official. And so Lorne Michaels came in town and had lunch with me and my mom and officially asked me to do it and just was so charming and explained why he really wanted me to. And once I commit to something, I commit. So I said, yes, had no idea really what I was getting myself into. And then I started freaking out a little bit after. Cause everyone knows that it's like such a big deal and that it's so, it's such a, an amazing thing to do. You want at the end of this for people to be like, which is funny. Yeah. And I just, I didn't want to go and embarrass myself and get up there and not be funny or just I, but I had never seen an episode really of SNL. I'd gone and watched parts obviously cause you know, Kanye performed so many times. So I'd been there in the audience. And then I've seen a full show in person once. But as far as watching the show, I didn't really know what the monologue entailed. And so I watched one episode and saw someone and was like, okay, I got this. I feel confident as long as it's like me and a camera, I can block everything out and I can talk into the camera. And I'm good. So I knew that like once I got past the monologue, I wasn't worried about the monologue. I was worried about all the skits, all the acting stuff. Yeah. And were you more like excited or more nervous before? I was more nervous before more than excited. But then I got excited when everyone was saying what a big deal it was. Yeah. I was getting so many calls and um, and then I was like, I, I have to own this. And I came prepared with my monologue ready to go. Did that, you have to memorize or was that something that was that like, no, it wasn't a teleprompter, but you have to know like the punch, like, yeah. And you practice it so many times that you, you know, but there's a whole team of writers and staff. I got amazing help writing my monologue and um, I'll never take credit for it. Um, Dave Chappelle introduced me to Michelle Wolf and she is so funny and she really wrote my monologue and we were going over, you know, all the jokes and what feels right. And Amy Schumer helped. And you know, so I had just so many amazing, funny friends that wanted to help and wanted to jump in. And so I came fully prepared with my own monologue. Does that not usually happen that way? No, I think you go and they write it with you and you have like sessions of talking and what you want to say and what you want to do. I mean, all the comedians come, I think with, obviously they're, they'll do their own stuff, but I didn't know how it worked. So I was like, I want to be so prepared. I want to just show up and have everything all ready. And how did you feel at the end? Like did, from the public's opinion that we care, did you feel like you got that? Oh, we care. I do. Yeah. I felt like people were, cause I first started asking family members like, are you okay if I say this? And this sister was like, no, I don't want you to say that. And why are you singling me out? And I was like, okay, you know what guys, I'm just going to have to do my thing and you're going to have to be mad at me. You'll get over it. And I'm not going to ask anyone else. And, um, but after seeing the response and you know, it's such a rush, but like my team is all in the back and they're like, you killed it. Everyone's loving it. And they're this and they're that. And so once the monologue is done, you can breathe. And we got such a good response from it. Like truly such a good response that it made me feel so confident. It made me feel so good about myself. I was like on cloud nine. And I really felt like, Oh ----, I did this. Like that was so cool. Like just a goal that I never thought I wanted to accomplish. And I did. And it just made me feel so good. You killed it. Like, I feel like that's just the line I was there. I remember you were there and I, we didn't get a chance to meet. I know. And it was, I took it as like, the fact that I'm even here getting to witness you do that and kill it. Thank you. Like I w I felt like a proud mom. And once I walked out, I wasn't nervous. I was like, as long as I just don't trip on my heels, like that was the only thing I was worried about. And like I saw how they were rushing. It was even watching that part, being at SNL and seeing the stages kind of it was crazy, like move and like this. And I couldn't get my earring on because you have to like take off a wig from a skit, put on an earring. So one of them, my hair was supposed to be back with two earrings. I couldn't get my earring on in time. So I just had to go and announce, you know, the musical guests covered with no earring on. I could, I was wearing those pants boots. Yeah. I could not know that one time I was wearing pants boots. Yeah. I could not get them on. And I ripped them. Uh, like one of the lacy ones, I was freaking out that I wouldn't be able to get dressed in time. You have, I think I had like a minute and 30 seconds in between looks. I saw them. That was the, like such a fascinating part to see you on a train, right? There was a woman like you were holding her shoulders and she was rushing you in and out. Would you do it again? I would do it again. I would. Yeah. I left feeling like, Oh, I could do this again. Yeah. And it was so funny. All the parts with your family obviously like hit, they just hit and it was so, so good. Yeah. They were such good sports. Thank God for them. Thank God for them. Yeah. And obviously that's where everybody thinks you met your now boyfriend, Pete Davidson on the carpet. That is where we met. Okay. That is, well, I knew, I mean, I knew him and even I saw him at the Met. His story is that he was like, you know, had been asking around for my number a little bit and everyone like wasn't really sure. Like, you know, is she going through it? Like he just wanted to wait a little bit, but I saw him at the Met and he knew I was hosting SNL, but it wasn't announced yet. And so I was like, he came up to me and we were talking about SNL and I was like, they better hurry up and announce it because I will not, you know, back out as soon as they, you know, announce it. But I'm so nervous. And so he just gave me good advice and he's like, Hey, take my number. If you, if you need anything. And I had gloves on and I couldn't get in my phone with the gloves. And I was like, Oh, I have gloves and I can't. And he was like, all right, cool. And he like walked away, but I was going to be like, Oh, but take my, you know, and then, but it was like, no. And so we never connected or anything until that, not even that night. We didn't, he was like the one cast member that we were filming our show. He was like the one cast member that wouldn't sign off to be filmed. And he wasn't there until just the day of. Um, so I didn't see him all week during rehearsals. But that's what I'm saying. People think that you guys started this during rehearsals, but that part isn't true. You met that night? Yeah. We met that day. He came and we did one, uh, one dress rehearsal. We did our dress rehearsal and then the real thing. And so the whole time when I was rehearsing, it was like with a stand in. And I was like, Oh my God, no, I didn't. I didn't. And, um, and then we kissed, but we had to hold hands while we were, you know, in dress rehearsal. That was like a part of it. But was there an inkling of like, like, did you see the BTE that everyone talks about? I was like, not even focused on that. And then when we kissed, I was just like, really? But I was like, yeah, it was a stage kiss, but it was like, still like a little zing, you know, but not, not even in rehearsal. So it wasn't anything like a super crazy feeling. I was just like, and then I was like, wow, I really haven't kissed anyone else in 10 years. So maybe I'm just like being stupid and it's just nothing. And it's just a stage kiss. And then a few days later I was like, there is some BTE action and like, where, how am I gonna, I just got to get myself out there. Wait, what about the after party? Nothing happened. Never came to the after party. He is too cool for school. I know. He was the only person who did not come. Everyone came. The next guest host, Rami Malek. Everyone was there. You think it's like part of the thing or he just really is? No, I think he really was just like, I don't go out. I don't, I don't, he doesn't really party. So he just wanted to. But were you like looking back, were you like, where is he at the party? No, not really. No. Okay. But like I thought about it later and I was like, damn, he's the only person that didn't come. I thought about it after the fact. Was the first date the date that we saw at Knott's Dairy Farm? No, no. We privately hung out first. I don't think our first date to even see if we liked each other would be so public. Holding hands on a ride. Yeah. But my security, like we've turned off the cameras. We had, we made sure that like those pictures wouldn't be up. So it was pretty shady that whoever sold all those photos. Oh, at the, at the park. I don't know who, I'm not accusing anyone, but someone was probably someone that was just there. I'm assuming. Well, no, cause they had every single one, every ride. So it had to be someone that had access to the cameras of every single ride. Wow. I'm not sure. No one will fess up. So we didn't see the first date obviously. No, we just chill hung out. So how did that happen? At the BHH. You guys love the BHH. You're living there. Loving it. We love the BHH. So how did that happen though? Cause you're saying no after party. There was nothing really going on at that point. Yeah. I talk about it on my show. That is the one thing that I talk about. So I think I'll give, I'll think I'll be that girl and be like, you have to tune in. First of all, everybody tune in. Cause I was at the premiere and Oh my God. Oh my God. Like I was, that's why I took a popcorn and I was like, I was lolling like cringing at points. Like it was everything you could want in an episode of something. It was like a movie. Honestly, I'm so happy with how, how the show turned out. I really think people will like it. People are going to love it. Yeah. We know how many episodes are in the first season. 10. I like almost don't want to talk about the Kanye divorce stuff because I know that it's like less of a fun topic, but I just want to say, cause we did see everything really so publicly. Like, you know what, we have so much love for each other. We really do. And like, I'm, we're always family. We're always going to have so much love and we love our kids and we, we both love the time we spent together. You know, I think that we'll always have that and always cherish that. And sometimes it just doesn't work out for whatever reasons, but no matter what, like, I always just think of like the positive times, like think about if you were in a situation and you were hurting and that was your way of expressing yourself. Like, I don't, I don't judge. I just, you know, we're always going to be cool and family, even if it doesn't look that way. Like it'll always end up that way. So everything will always be okay. And there's just, I have so much love and respect for him and who he's been in my life and what he's brought to me and our amazing kids that, you know, he's given me and he's changed my life. So that'll never change. Credit to everyone. And that's such a beautiful, respectable, admirable thing about you. It was like, you'll still say about Paris Hilton. Oh, and I, and I, she gave me a career. Like I'll never be, but that's so big of you because so many people would be like, yeah, that was 20 years ago, whatever. Like it's not, you know what I mean? But you still remember that and give her that like credit. And even with Connie, it's like you became a fashion icon in your own right. But you still, even when you accepted the fashion award, because it's like, it's, that's my truth. You know, I loved fashion, but I never would have gotten to where I got without him. And I've never would have gotten, I think my taste level or my love for like architecture and art, I wouldn't have learned it all unless it was from him. So I'll always give my props, like no matter what, it's just my, it's just the truth. Yeah. You know, and I'll never act like I wasn't super influenced by what he taught me or what Paris taught me and even things, you know, from Paris that no one would know or be able to have learned, unless you spent that kind of time with her, whether it's like the grace, she showed all of her fans. I don't care what time or day it was. It was like, she stopped, she paid attention. She like, I just, I learned so much from everyone that I'm around and you know, I'll always be grateful. That's really amazing. And what I wonder is like, cause I, as I said, we watched this as like at the beginning when the divorce was announced, it seemed like you guys were doing so well. I mean, we know that he's on the week with you before SNL and, and, and you came to the Donda, like it looked like it was like, Oh my God, you know, co-parenting goal. Like did you, so did he accept the divorce at first? Like really well. And then it kind of shifted. I think we went off and on, you know, we went about eight months without even speaking to each other at the beginning of the divorce. And then, you know, we started talking again and I went to the Donda premiere. I mean, he would still see the kids and stuff. It's just that, you know, him and I just took a minute of not talking and I think it all in relationships that it'll be like that. And I only hope for, you know, I hope we, you know, are the co-parenting goals at the end of the day. And you know, I look back and my mom and dad went through their hard time and it took people a minute to readjust. And my mom was with, you know, my stepdad soon after. And I've seen it all before. I think we just have a different kind of platform now, but you know, it doesn't mean that maybe because he expressed himself in a certain way that he's not an amazing person and amazing friend. I do believe that we'll have that again. I'm always really hopeful and you know, he's an amazing dad and I never really also judge the way someone wants to communicate, whether it's the way I would or not. I try to just like, I know who he is inside and I know that he, I know what he means to say and I know what he means to express. And that's the beauty of knowing someone for so many years. So it can be stressful and it can be, you know, a lot of things, but I think you just have to be positive when you have kids and you just have to look at the positive as hard as it is. It doesn't mean that it's easy, especially behind closed doors, but it means that I feel so empowered in the way that I react to things now in the way that I choose to communicate back. And at the end of the day, what is it going to do if people are fighting back and forth? Sometimes, you know, I'll say something like out of anger and want us, and then I'm just like, why did I do that? It was like one thing that like, you were like, that's it. And you did comment. You were like, stop. You had the kids, you know, this morning or, or sometimes I'm in the mood where I'm just like, okay, I'm not going to let this be said this way. I mean, the one thing that I just felt like was super frustrating was that like when the fan bases get involved because you know, he has such a supportive and amazing strong fan base and they're amazing. And I'm just because people aren't together anymore. It doesn't mean that now those people have to not like me and my fan base does doesn't have to not like him. It's just not like that. Like there shouldn't be all this like external beef. Like it's hard enough already for, for families to go through a divorce. Like and then especially in the public eye and then especially then these like fan bases get involved and everyone's, it's like my, my fan base is not nasty. It's like, let's just be happy for everyone, wherever that takes you. It just, it was so wild to me just to see people chime in. Dude, I got the fan base on me. Yeah, I got his fan base on me. Really? Yeah. And it's like, they're so cool. Like everyone's all good. And I'm like, and what sucks is everyone's going to see that at some point it's going to be all good again. And so there's no need to get involved because there's so much love there that it's like, that'll just never go away. Well on the flip side though, because in my perspective I saw a lot of people, you know, really protecting you, you know, and really quote unquote siding with you even though I know that's not, you know, the goal. Yeah. There's no side. Right. Never be sides. Like I am a grownup, like I can handle this. I will handle this. I will handle it, you know, hopefully as privately as possible with him. And like I said, there will be no, I think that's just the thing is it's like you want it to be private, you want it. But then I live my life on a reality show. So it's like, I also can't say like, guys, I want my privacy right now in this moment. You know, I can't pick and choose and I understand that. But within us and our private life, you know, hope that that's the goal, but it's good. We're going to be good. And right now, how would you describe right now? Right now is it's good when things are calm. We don't really communicate, but I think that's okay sometimes, you know, and I think that we will, we always will. I'm always his biggest fan. I'm always will be supportive. That's just who I am. I spent a decade of my life with this person and I just have so much love for him. So that'll never change. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that they're the right one for you and that's okay too. And he's been also dating some, women that he's been dating. I mean, kind of like look like either they were huge fans of yours were, um, you were an inspiration or, uh, even kind of dress like you or try to, does that make you feel weird? The like lookalike vibe? No. I mean, I just want him to be happy. And like every, she seems like the sweetest, like I'm just, whatever makes you happy. I don't care what it is. I just, I think that it'll reflect in your life and your, you know, in your work, in your everything, you know, and how you are a parent. So I just, as long as he's happy, I'm so I'm genuinely just want that truly. Okay. So we all saw the variety interview, which was amazing. And then there was the work comment. How did you deal with that? Getting so big? You probably weren't, weren't expecting it. I just, because I'm, I try to be so positive. It really did teach me something. And no matter what, even if you're having an off day in the way that you communicate, you really can't when you're in my situation. And in my position, I think some people really, it resonated with them. And then some people, it really offended people. And if you know me, you would know that I would never ever try to single a certain group of women out, especially women. And especially, I'm just, I want everyone to win. Like truly, I think there's always enough to go around. I love supporting all my friends and small businesses and any, any women that I meet, I just want them to win. So, you know, I think that it will definitely teach me to be more careful in a sense of like, I don't care what kind of day or mood or what other question was coming from that, that tripped me out. That got me to just, maybe my tone was different, but I still, you know, it was, it made me sad that it was perceived that way because I would never want to hurt anybody or intend for that to be offensive. I, the moment that I obviously not just me, but so many people wanted to know about was like when you guys were talking about your days and Courtney was talking about having to wake up early and work out like you and Chloe had this like moment where you looked at each other. Do you remember that? Can you tell me why? Did she not wake up early to work out or something? Was it to that question? I think she was just like, yeah, you know, and Chloe and I were like, okay, okay. So as we know, like so many people talk about your family all day, all day, every day, all day. And you're saying some of the family members are more sensitive. What is something that like to you is like a, no, like you hear that, that really pisses you off. When people say my mom is like the puppet master, things like that. I'm like, she literally only makes the best deals for us and has no say in what we do or how we move. Like, she's never been like, okay, this sister do this and you do this and this drama is going on. So you deflect and you do that. Like none of those conversations have ever happened. I've personally defended Chris. Like the fact that people think all the time that it's like she's controlling every single single thing. I feel like it would be me where I'm the one calling the system and be like, okay, some ----'s going down over here. Okay guys, do this, do this. Or, you know, I'm the one that's more like that. And then they're just like, you're like, give me a credit. Yeah, I control everything. Totally. Yeah. I mean, what does that say? And like one of the first season, I don't know that you gave them their careers. Oh, do you ever hold that above them though? Like I feel like I would never, I mean, I've said really petty things that have all been caught on camera where I was like buy her shoes. Like, are you kidding me? I bought her a ******* career. Like I've said really bratty things like that. But no, I would never like everyone, here's the thing. It's like you hope to like put people on or inspire people like sisters, like work wise or business wise and things that we do, we all do. I'm inspired by them. It's all the same. And so if like one of us got an opportunity to help the others, then it's like, everyone's their own person. You can live your life exactly how you want. Everyone has such different lives and we're only there to support each other. I would never say like, Hey guys, I brought you on this journey at first and you owe me. Like it's never like that. And I think everyone's worked so hard to get to where they're at. You know, we might've just like started together, but it's, it's not me. You know, it's there. They get up every day and they have thought of their businesses themselves and everyone's thought of what, where they want their life to go. So I've never thought that. I do also feel though that they are very supportive of my brands and like they'll be in skims ads and do whatever because they're so like, that's their way of saying that. Really? I mean like a little bit, but like not, not, you know, I think they'll do me favors in ways that they don't have to because they would get paid so much more if they were going somewhere else. And I think that they are always so accommodating and so kind. And I think it's because they're like, okay, we're grateful, you know? And I always appreciate that. I could see that, you know, like they've never really said no on anything that I've like asked of them. And I think that's just like a mutual respect thing. And I'm always so grateful for that. Yeah. I love seeing you guys support each other posts together, like about each other's brands and everything like that. Cause like so much of it is on social media. Yeah. And like Chloe seems to be like your biggest supporter. Yeah. Chloe and I have gotten, I feel like Chloe and I are the new Courtney and Chloe. That's what I was getting at. Totally, totally. But it's also like growing up, it was always me and Courtney. I couldn't do anything without her. I was like so quiet. I just copied everything she did. I was obsessed with her, followed her around, same friends. She was so mean to me. It was like the worst. She was so mean to me growing up. And then Chloe and Courtney became really close because I feel like I was always in relationships and I was just kind of doing my own thing. Then I got like the confidence to really do my own thing and they always left me out. So I was just, I was totally fine doing my thing. And now I definitely feel like Chloe and I are the new Courtney and Chloe. Do you think that happened? Cause what I saw happen was kind of Chloe having true. Then there was that moment where she said that she related more to your style of parenting. So it kind of looked like from the side that like, since she became a mom, you guys kind of, your bond really got stronger. Yeah. I do feel like our parenting style is a little bit more similar. Everyone has just like a different style. And, um, but also especially when Courtney got in her relationship with Travis, I feel like they're just in their own world. So. So it all happened at the same time. Yeah. So Courtney's not jelly. Not at all. Really? Not at all. Really? Is like, so in her own world with Travis, there's like no room for anything. Oh, okay. Good. So no one's feeling left out. No. Okay. So you and Chloe are the closest. Wanted to know that even though we could kind of see that and regarding Travis. So you're saying that all like, not just me, but like so many people manifested this relationship because they were neighbors. So everyone would be like, Hey, why don't you guys give it a try? And they would like, Courtney would just be like, Oh, that's my neighbor. That's my friend. You know, we've known him for so long. Yeah. Like it just, I don't know, but it's kind of cool. Cause then the kids grew up together and they saw each other and they, they walked to each other's houses. They still sleep at each other's houses. Like they pick a house every night. Are they not going to move in together? You think? No, I think they will. Or I know they've, you know, looked at other places. Like I think they're just figuring it out day by day because right now it just works for them. So maybe they'll just have two houses. I don't know. Do you think like that because you guys knew him for so many years that he was just like accepted right away into the fam? Or was there like a process of changing from friend to, no, I think we accepted him right away. Right away. Oh, he's such a nice guy. Like he's such a good guy that we were like, Oh, Court, just like, go for this, do this, you know? Yeah. That it just seemed right. And we're going to see a lot of how Scott is dealing with that on the show. Right. Cause a lot of fans were worried that we weren't going to see Scott. Yeah. You definitely see it in the first few episodes. And then, you know, Scott's like super mature and he expresses how he feels and you know, they kind of move on from that. Yeah. They're able to like move on. And then it's the Kravitz show. And then it's the Kravitz show. Does it make you feel weird that they're like super PDA all the time? No, no. It's so funny. Are you and Pete like that now? We're not that we, we have our own private like PDA, but I don't think we're that public PDA. You're not going to do the tongue on the carpet ever. But it's so cute for them. It's like whatever works for them. Yeah. Obviously. Um, okay. So we all know that you're shifting your brands from the KKW. Everyone thinks like, Oh my God, it's just to get the W off. That's not it. I, what I really wanted to do was I felt so bad that the customer had to go from KKW beauty, then would go to KKW skin, then would go to KKW fragrance. Like that's shipping costs at three different websites. Right. So I wanted one beauty brand and then you can save on shipping. Yeah. I wanted one beauty brand and skims. Yeah. I could literally ask you so many more questions because you know, I want to know everything, but I know you have to go. Okay. Thank you for being on honor of my life. Honestly, I'm going to be get branded also. Thank you, Kim. I love you so much. I love you. I love you.