【台灣人就是中國人】新加坡人不是中國人！馬來西亞留學生的邊界到底在哪裏？對話！！

Hey, you're back! My network card just got stuck. My network card just got stuck. Wow, I almost... I also said, I absolutely must not break it. Never let it break We had a really good chat. Another Nanjing native I was just like you when I was a kid. I think so too Taiwan was part of the Nanjing Military Region, wasn't it? It's from our Nanjing Military Region, right? I think it's great. At least look at your current state. I think it's good that you're thinking about this. This is something I appreciate very, very much. i think as a young person you don't have to answer me你 You don't have to answer all of my questions. However, you can retain some of your own way of thinking. You think about it. Because of At least because This design is just... uh... Very classic It says inside that it is what is called a hero. Headband without What Excuse me I didn't understand. His Hero My Ugly Queen Have you heard this viewpoint? Don't understand what I am What is that hero? That is their hero My enemy In other words, this is this person. Just put it there. Your country may be a hero of your country. ordinary people But this person is... well... for us. traitors and enemies Not necessarily a traitor Enemy OK OK OK Okay, let's continue our conversation. What do you think? Then And then this argument... That is to say, for intelligent guidance As for war, well... For people in mainland China Taiwan is a historical issue. It is also a uh Taiwan only knows how to It can only be considered a first-rate domestic issue in history. So this really, really hurts me. Chinese They always treat Taiwan as their own internal affair. But actually if you have If you know any Taiwanese people You'll find that Taiwanese people don't think at all. This is an internal matter. Because they don't consider themselves Chinese at all. You are in Malaysia, right? Didn't I just say that Malaysia grows Sichuan peppercorns? Yes, so you need to know this is me. Well, I'm actually a conservative. Mmm mmm mmm No problem. This is your political choice. No problem, I agree. I agree, so I actually think... Um that is you If Taiwan really does not give up This is because they don't feel like they are Chinese. So then we We don't need to worry about anything anymore. There's no need to worry about anything. Then there was no unified system? Is that what you mean? if If Taiwanese people really don't consider themselves Chinese Now Then what was I? Then we have absolutely no need to worry about anything. Uh, no unified or... There is absolutely no problem with the temperature control. That's different. If they are? If they think If they don't consider themselves Chinese Um And our understanding of this is That's what we've had since ancient times. Okay, then we We actually will We could actually just chase after them directly. Still need to stab You mean you still want to stab me? oops If they don't consider themselves Chinese We've already chased after them. That would become an invasion. That's the same as Russia going to Ukraine. Ukrainians don't identify as Russians. But if Russians always feel You Ukrainians It was once part of our Soviet Union You are us Wouldn't that turn into a war of aggression? And this is also correct. This is also a problem For example, this question If we simply assume Russia launched a surprise attack in June 2022. If Kyiv was an invasion Um Then we'll become... The key to success is to walk. Uh, starting in 2014 Everything in eastern Ukraine Everything was simply wiped clean. Then steal Then it was concluded that Ukraine and Russia were invaders. Invaded Ukraine OK, let's start... Let's not talk about Russia and Ukraine for now. I just took this out. It's just an example. Just because you just said No, no, because No, it's not because of these two This is actually North Korea The Korean War The Russo-Ukrainian War And us, me, and our Taiwan issue In essence, they are quite similar. Well, I can only say they're similar. But there are still differences, aren't there? It wasn't because of that thing between North Korea and South Korea. Um yes Initially, both sides wanted to establish a joint government. Then the Americans provided emergency support. Emergency support Uh, Syngman Rhee Okay, and then... And in the south South side This refers to a large-scale massacre that occurred in the US airspace. Um Wu Chuan Lieutenant Colonel sent people Then after that is direct Then It was North and South Korea that initiated the border provocations against North Korea. Um Then Cao Fang finally couldn't take it anymore. The war of unification began uh-huh OK, let's come back. Returning to the Taiwan issue Let's leave that aside for now. That's the problem. Just because it's relatively big. The more we talk, the further we stray from the topic. So, this is just now. We continue I just said you said If Taiwanese people don't consider themselves Chinese Then we can just chase them away. So, don't you think...? That's why no one else considers him Chinese. So you still have to go and fight this place? Wouldn't that really turn into a war of aggression? Then, then I... Then, I'd like to ask you to explain Jiang Du. What about Jiang Du? Those Xinjiang people don't consider themselves Chinese either. Hey, right? What you said is very good. To be honest, please don't be angry. Because although I was born and raised in Nanjing But I have lived in Canada for over 10 years. My thinking has truly become completely democratic. I don't know if you've heard of it. There's a place in Canada called Quebec. Quebec's independence referendum failed twice. I almost failed. I know, I know Quebec is a French-speaking region. I know that because of me, the international high school I attended was Canadian. It's the system in Ontario. Okay, okay, Quebec failed to pass two referendums, right? Scotland has also held referendums. For example, if you ask me about Jiang Zemin's independence... If you really want to ask me... If you really ask me I think it's OK If they feel they are not Chinese Xinjiang people want independence Give them a vote! If the vote has been cast Give them independence Because forced relationships are never sweet. In fact They really Because the majority of Chinese people are Han Chinese. See, we're speaking Chinese, right? The bad guys, the traitors, are mostly Han Chinese, right? In fact, according to my point of view I am not a conservative I'm different from you. I am a reformist. I think the Yuan Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty None of them are Chinese dynasties Because the Yuan Dynasty was invaded by the Mongols. Your Central Plains were invaded by the Mongols. Genghis Khan attacked Then came the scalp cutting and ear cutting. Then the Mongols conquered Europe. He was an aggressor in his entirety. The Chinese government actually wrote it down. In our Chinese history Of course he has his reasons. I don't, I don't, I won't distinguish these things. But what I mean is... I mean any of these Because I've spent a long time in democratic countries. If you really want to be independent They would feel that they don't have this kind of ethnicity. A sense of self-identity is important After you in Malaysia You'll gradually encounter these Chinese peppers You'll gradually meet Malaysians. When you truly feel that you are not I think in today's society In today's civilized world You should give others the right to hold a referendum. Let me give you an example. There are many things next to the United States There is a small place called Puerto Rico Many people in Puerto Rico want to join the United States. Become the 51st state of the United States But America doesn't want you. You know, right? If you want to watch the NBA Do you know that Puerto Rico has a very famous center? Towns is currently playing for the New York Knicks. Puerto Rico has long wanted to join the United States. The US doesn't want that, right? Conversely Taiwanese people have long been unwilling to reunite with mainland China. For most people I can't say, I can't say Every Taiwanese person must have someone who wants to go back. However, most Taiwanese people do not want to return to mainland China. But now you insist on forcing him to stay. Then why don't you... Is a forced relationship never sweet? Regardless of your purpose Whether you want what's best for him or not I'm doing this for the good of Taiwanese people. Taiwan, we need to help Taiwan, and so on. Regardless of your purpose But the Taiwanese people don't buy into this. Therefore, as a democrat... I've lived in a democratic country for a long time. You're talking about the Xinjiang independence issue... Very good Tibet and Xinjiang In my opinion If they truly feel they lack identification Then I can use my love to move the other person. If I can't move the other person Then you two will work together Just like when I pursued my girlfriend This girl She has nothing to do with me now. I like him I want him to marry me. Nana This is it. The biggest difference in our thinking The reason is because in our logic uh-huh This land is mine. But I lost it before. Now I'm going to take it back. Hmph The key point is... It's simply a matter of whether the method is gentle or brutal. Our purpose Or rather, the result we want It's about taking it back. The key point is that this land belongs to you. How do we define this? China We will follow China's so-called 5000-year history Is China good or bad? V. A thousand-year history This map is constantly changing. Constantly changing From which era did you begin your calculations, specifically from the Qin Dynasty? Let's start with the Qing Dynasty I just mentioned. I don't even consider it China Let's start from the Qing Dynasty. Starting from the Republic of China Starting from the People's Republic of China Right, before the end of World War II? Before World War II, Mongolia was part of China. Later, it was divided into Outer Mongolia. Does that mean we should also take back Mongolia later? Right, if you're going to talk about this like that... So when exactly? What is a boundary? Should we reclaim it? You said I would reclaim the territory that belongs to me. OK, I agree. Okay, I agree. So when exactly will it belong to you? Did it belong to you 5,000 years ago? 50 years ago 500 years ago How exactly did you determine this point? And these territories are ultimately your own. It's because others want to be with you. Submit to you Did you steal it back then? If you also stole it back then... Let me say something unpleasant. The British territory is so large. Back then, the whole world belonged to Britain. He has colonies everywhere The Englishman suddenly stood up and said These territories were formerly mine Now I'm going to take it back. I want to take it all back. The United States is also my addition. Canada is mine too. Australia is mine too I am English I want to take it all back. These people are all British. Do you think this is fair? There is no fairness in the international community Right, or rather, this is correct. However, there is only a relative fairness in the international community. United Kingdom If Britain dominates the world He truly enjoyed it. He can collect Because he held the power of discourse. He can say He said this is a That's it. This is a Hmph, so what I mean is... I just talked about detoxification. The matter of drug possession That's my personal opinion. What is the best way? China is making itself strong. Incredibly powerful Makes Taiwanese people envious Taiwanese people are becoming like Puerto Ricans. Oh, I want to become a province of China! Let me become your province. Right? Wouldn't it be better if it were like this? Or people from Xinjiang You need to be independent I'll vote for you. I have this confidence My government is so powerful I'm so good to you all I have this confidence It's okay if you vote. You need to be able to vote Then you should be independent. But you just can't shoot. Right or wrong, I think you Don't you think this is better? You are also a young person You also like freedom uh-huh Yes, but that's the key point, that's the problem. That is, the so-called Jiangdu and Tibetan people They didn't choose that. them They didn't choose the path of becoming foremen. Because they didn't hold a referendum. Because the Communist Party wouldn't vote for them. You know that too. This thing needs no explanation. We are both from Nanjing. What kind of people's representative? Do you know who the People's Congress representative is in your neighborhood? I don't know I have lived in China for over twenty years. I don't even know who my National People's Congress representative is. I have never gone anywhere to cast a ballot. What is the name of the neighborhood committee auntie at the ticket station? I have no idea Right or wrong? The key point is that the Chinese government has not given Tibet any [assets/resources]. There was no such channel provided to Tibet. And what did they later become? Um They later became Dongpo. This term was initially assigned to him by the Chinese government. This word, right? But But his practical actions Terrorists supported by foreign forces This is a practical action. You can say he is a hostile foreign force. Was the term "you" invented by the CCP? foreign hostile forces But but If you say he's a terrorist They did indeed succeed. They were terrorists. and A core principle of Chinese people's approach to territorial governance What is the concept? Uh-huh Who has the right to govern this land? It's not something that a few people can decide. Life on this land represents this They represent the vast majority of people living on this land. de de uh Thoughts or choices That's it. That's the choice here. You're saying it's Jiang Zemin's independence. If you're talking about Xinjiang, you're only referring to the northern part. All people, or rather the vast majority of them Um The residents all want independence Um So you actually read it. But what is the key question? That is, reading only accounts for a portion of Xinjiang. Even in the northern Xinjiang region Total population The total number is just so-so Uh, maybe even less than tens of thousands of sets. That's the key point, and that's the problem. These data about handsome young men Who told you these tens of thousands of data points? It was the Chinese Communist Party that told you. He had never been an actual foreman. You don't know the exact number either. He didn't give anyone else that chance at all. So he just randomly put these data It's good to write it in the newspaper. It would be good to put it in the news broadcast. In your textbooks or... After you have learned You guys think so? This is the factual data. However, this data has not been verified. No, no, no You need to know Because I've actually been there. I really have been there. You only went there for a trip, right? Right, you've been there? You're just a tourist there. Even if you live there You couldn't possibly know tens of millions of people from Xinjiang, could you? Right? So these data... You have to get all of them to vote correctly. Only then will you know the result, and What you just said At least based on my current... That's where I was at the time. Based on my experience of staying there for 15 days... That is, the absolute tribe that is At least most of the ones I've encountered are reliable. Hotan area Yeah, I don't think it's Jiangdu. That is Jiang Du These guys are a good bunch. The problem lies here. The problem is here. First You went there as a tourist. Places for tourists They are generally relatively developed. The comparison is between places with developed tourism. In other words, relatively speaking Is it an economically underdeveloped area? This is the first Secondly, in these local areas These Xinjiang people living in these places The locals' lives Due to tourism Because outsiders are Han Chinese. Other ethnic groups travel to Xinjiang It brought them a lot of economic income Their lives are getting better and better. Getting better and better Therefore, they also feel that life is good. However, this does not represent all. Xinjiang In those poor areas that are not tourist destinations It doesn't mean everyone lives the same way. The first and second Even if there are some people a small group of people Their lives were unsatisfactory. They want independence Only a small part of them Even in a referendum, they couldn't win. But we Shouldn't we also remember the feelings of these people? Because even though he's a small group, he's still a part of the population. Just like you You are a small part Chinese students studying in Malaysia If Malaysia But but me I can say this, that's all. Um Life in Tibet and Xinjiang Or rather, the standard of production and living? Compared to them, as a Or rather, a de facto independent place When the entity exists Um This is absolutely hundreds of times better than before. OK, I'll tell you. This is just what you said. I'm just saying that it's our perception. Oh no no no no no I have also been to Tibet My wife and I are in Tibet We chartered a car all the way from Lhasa. The driver took us to Tibetan driver took us all the way to Everest Base Camp I'm telling you That's the problem. Oh dear, this is getting way off topic. But you need to know Even in Tibet, he is still a master It's still a country, you could say. Those people during the time of the state within a state Um Not even worthy of living They are tools, even worse than oxen and horses. Because I had also gone to the Tibetan area at that time. Um Those people are even worse than cattle and horses. Even after death, they will be made into a human skin drum. Um Then, as now, there is a part These are all people. These people are at least currently active in the public eye. In public activity What is the background check for most of the people involved? Um Many of these are at least on the internet. What is publicly active? They are descendants of former nobles in Tibet. Mmm Okay, let's not get sidetracked. Then they publicly proclaimed their political ideologies Um Hmph, is it to make Tibet go back to that...? A cannibalistic ghost society Um Hmph, go ahead, go ahead. So you're saying this group of people can represent Tibet? Or rather, new The vast majority of people in Xinjiang who want a better life Thoughts That probably doesn't represent anything. Then this group of people, at least for us... At least for the Communist Party They are the kind of entities that will strike hard no matter what. Hmm, this thing All I can say is um. Keep some Keep some How to say it, what to call it Let's retain some objective opinions. Why? Because I still say the same thing. I think Neither of us had that thorough understanding. Therefore For me We have no right to speak without investigation. Insufficient investigation They don't even have enough say I agree with this reasoning. I have no right to represent tens of millions or hundreds of millions. People from Xinjiang Tibetans or People from all over the world can say this. However, we are only looking at it from a general perspective. Didn't I just say that? Look at Venezuela's independence. Scottish referendum I just think what you said is very true. What they, a minority, want cannot make them successful. It became that, but ironically, what was it? This is my last point to make. It's really ironic. That's exactly what the Chinese government is doing. The Chinese Communist Party government is originally a minority of people. There are now a total of seven standing committee members. Among the seven Standing Committee members Another one has the most say. In fact, the entire country's discourse power It's already in the hands of a few people. So this is a very, very, very contradictory situation. Let's look at the current reality one by one, right? But I'm very happy to chat with you today. The first part of our discussion focused on an authoritarian government. This is absolutely impossible. It is undeniable. We all acknowledge this. Um Then whatever it is, is it. As I said before The common people don't care They don't care who's above your government. that is Ordinary people want very simple things A bite to fill you up Food is enough to survive Then, on the basis of surviving, to live a better life. This should be said. this It should be the most basic pursuit of the vast majority of people. I don't care what kind of government you have. As long as you Your government can lead us to this. Then your government is a good government. If your government cannot do this Then Then it is Even your government needs to go again Then We Let's put it again Ordinary people work hard, but... Something earned through hard work and perseverance. Taken without reason See how this government is perceived by the Chinese people That's not a qualified government. Then when this When this level reaches an extreme That was revolution. Um Yes, yes So I think there are more and more people like this nowadays. Right? Every year during the Spring Festival and other holidays? You can see that many people are determined to get their wages. Migrant workers demanding unpaid wages For all It can only be said that China could guarantee [something] before. That is, most people are one That is, to be able to obtain To be able to obtain one's legally earned income Um But now, now, that's it, that's it. Indeed, I've seen many more people who are more realistic than before. The evaluation of the government is also It's just open It's becoming increasingly less good than before. Yes, I think the most ironic thing is... Citizens of the world's second-largest GDP country The words spoken are A government that can ensure its people have enough to eat and sleep I think this requirement is related to the world's second-largest GDP This one There's a bit of a gap. You know, right? The world's second largest country Theoretically, we shouldn't still be stuck on the idea that it's just about "me, me, me". This is normal. Because you need to know It doesn't even have the world's largest GDP now. A country that can achieve this has the world's largest GDP. Even the United States has failed to do this. GDP is primarily about total volume, right? Right? But if you look at it per capita... In fact, several countries with relatively high per capita income Basically You can't say there are no poor people. There are definitely poor people But only relatively. But overall Basically, the differences between everyone are not that significant. Do you know that China has now achieved the goal of ensuring basic needs are met? But everyone wants to achieve a moderately prosperous life. Then problems arose during this process of striving for a moderately prosperous society. There are indeed quite a lot. Yes, but if you want to see You want it, but I'll say it again. The goal is simply to ensure that people can have enough to eat. Then you can get the fruits of your labor. This matter is not simple. to be honest For example, India, the world's most populous country, cannot do it. The United States, the world's largest GDP country So far, it has not reached 100%. It was not achieved. More than 90% of them live on the poverty line. Then 7, then 44% to 50%. Does that mean we've reached the standard of living for a moderately prosperous society? Probably not. I don't know this data. I haven't seen the relevant data. So generally I don't understand the data. I won't talk nonsense here. Yes, that's because At least the data I have so far is A large portion of the population in the United States is still... Homeless is the scene of the fire judges. Hmm, I don't know about that. Hi this Next, I'd like to talk to you about... A question that is very close to you This question should be quite interesting. Let's see what your thoughts are. You are currently in Malaysia You are close to a GDP per capita of the world's highest. One of the top two countries The country very close is called Singapore. Yeah, have you been there? Did not go You haven't gone yet, right? Do you plan to go in the future? Auntie doesn't consider anything Not considering freshmen Why are they so close? It only takes a long-distance bus to get there. It's a matter of a few hours. I'll start with my freshman year. I'm a freshman in college. How should I put it? Homework There's still a lot of homework. Although, although it's Christmas holiday now But I was the one who attended the next class. I need to finish my schoolwork first. OK, OK, good. Well, I'd like to ask out of curiosity... More than 70% of Singapore's population is of Chinese descent. Do you think Singaporeans are Chinese? I can only say that, as things stand at the moment... They should not think they are right. Or at least during this period They do not consider themselves to be It is part of China Yeah, yeah, yeah That's for sure. We were just talking about Taiwan, right? You said Taiwanese people If none of them consider themselves Chinese Then we don't need to hold back. Now let's switch back. Singapore is also a country with a large Chinese population. Singapore has a population of over 70% Chinese. And their ancestral home They all came from mainland China. Regardless of what it was 200 years ago 300 years ago, 100 years ago, or 20 years ago? Right? They all came from mainland China. This 70% fact But that's the problem. Because it's Singapore. His legal system is his legal system. Not by China Or rather, it is any one of them. The Qing Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, etc., are all previous dynasties. This is how it has been passed down and iterated. No. Hmph So, so you, you, you Do you think Singaporeans are Singaporeans? Because because because If China follows the current international order From the perspective of international practice That is, Singapore. Um It was first from that time... British East Indies and British Malaya Then it became... Then it gained independence after World War II. It became the Federation of Malaya. Then Singapore, based on the Federation of Malaya Independent Um In other words, his politics In other words, his succession of power In other words, his regime That's one iteration. There is no connection with China. It can be said that there is almost no connection. I know, I know I'm just curious Because you just thought Taiwanese people are Chinese, right? Do you consider Singaporeans to be Chinese? Actually, this question is quite simple. Let's put politics aside for now. I don't know about Singaporeans Because, however, Taiwan is different. Because Taiwan is clearly him. Taiwan can be said to be Aside from the historical ambiguity surrounding World War II, Outside of a historically controversial period The rest of the time All of them have clear A record of a ruling process At least after entering the civilized era It still has a clear point. That's it. It is a self-reliant and self-sufficient tradition. OK, very good. Actually, I just want to know What are your views on Singaporeans? Since you think Singaporeans are not Chinese This is good and correct, isn't it? This is the same idea I had. I also think you're right to think that way. Very good, very good We had a very pleasant chat today. Oh, little kid. This 18-year-old has such profound knowledge I think you are very impressive. It's not easy However, I believe Later in Malaysia You will see many new things Because Malaysia Yes, of course. because I'm referring to the framework of current international law. Because if it's just my personal opinion... Just take them down one by one and that's it. That's a bit extreme. I just... I won't take your words seriously. I won't I don't take what you said seriously. This, this, this, this I think Anyway Your overall awareness is still acceptable. Your knowledge base is quite good. But now you've gone abroad. Better conditions in the future Go and take another good look at these messages. Then compare and balance the information from both sides. Let's see which one is more objective. Hope one day Are you able to give up this so-called... The conservatives' crushing victory! What this this this I think it's still worth discussing. Because of me, I didn't I...I didn't...I didn't... It's talking about this day and age. It would be very good if one could become a resident official in Beijing. There is nothing. War garrison in Beijing What is war? What does "stationed official in Beijing" mean? Have you heard of the officials in the capital? What "Eh Jing" means "official in Beijing". It is the Guanyin's Guan. The officials in Beijing don't understand. What does that mean? That's war, and then... Decapitate all the enemy balls. Stacked into a tower shape To develop martial arts skills Holy crap, that's terrifying! Damn, he sounds like a serial killer. This is all within the framework of international law. Or rather, the modern and contemporary era. Before the framework of the international order was established Um The whole world is doing what you do. Mmm So We should cherish the framework we have now. I hope this set never comes back. As I said before that is If a country can truly be... A nation so powerful that it can take on any country or the entire world single-handedly. Then he has no reason not to do it. All right Even with a framework of international law However, at the core of this framework The underlying principle is actually social Darwinism. All right So I hope you're happy and joyful in Malaysia. Study hard I'd love to visit Singapore sometime. I often go to Singapore. There will be an opportunity in Singapore at that time. Go and take a good walk and have a look. There are lots of fun, beautiful, and delicious things to eat. Uh, indeed. Um That's fine. Okay then, bye-bye. Okay, goodbye.