Tesla announced plans to move away from
the China market, saying it will no
longer use Chinese-made components in
its US manufactured cars. What does this
move mean for the car industry and
Tesla's special status inside China?
Joining us to discuss is Curt Hopkins,
CEO of mcqarkets.com.
Kurt Hopkins, thank you so much for
joining us. Great to have you on the
show.
>> Great. Thank you for having me.
>> Now, Tesla has announced plans to move
away from China made components in its
US manufactured cars. Now, how long
would this type of change take? Is there
a supplier that's alternative to China?
Is there the infrastructure in place for
this?
>> Well, I think Tesla's saying it could
take up to two years. I suspect it may
take much longer to fully get 100%
there, but um you know, certainly I
would think in two years time Tesla
could make a big dent in in making those
changes.
>> And what what would that mean for the
auto industry? this move away from China
made components.
Well, I think one of the big things and
and and one of the big moves is that in
the electronic vehicle um sector
particularly the Chinese um
manufacturers have raced ahead of North
American and European manufacturers and
I think um so it's you know you know
clearly there's a lot of catching up to
do but um also at the same time it is a
very very important technical um
arrangement technical stack as we say in
the tech industry for the US in
particular to catch up and to actually
be able to be very successful in it. So
I think these kind of investments uh be
able to invest in US component
manufacturing so that it can all be
brought back to the US is very critical.
>> Now Tesla's China relations are a bit
unique. It has a gigaf factory there
that is not part of a joint venture
that's normally the price to get into
the China market. With this move of
moving away from China made components
for the US manufactured cars, could
Tesla hurt that special relationship
with China?
possibly. But I think it's really clear
that Tesla's taking a dual track
approach, which is really um kind of
phenomenal to see. I mean, they they are
manufacturing cars in Shanghai that all
the components are from China and it's a
fully Chinese-made car with different
battery technology, for example. And now
in the US and probably in Europe,
they're going to be doing the same where
they're basically going to be stripping
out all the Chinese elements. And I
think it's probably just a pragmatic um
solution they've got to um they are
highly incentivized in the US to um to
to have homemade componentry um highly
incentivized to you know with tariffs
for example to do as little importing as
possible. So I think these changes is
just probably the pragmatic solution and
it'll be interesting to see what other
tech providers American tech providers
do in particular Apple to see if they
shift more and more of their
manufacturing outside of China and back
to North America into Europe. On that
note, you have been seeing, you know,
even the European Union complaining or
blaming China for, you know, unfair
trade practices, but also dumping of
products, especially cars into the
European market, which saying that the
base doesn't actually want the cars.
They're just kind of taking up lots
there. You're seeing a bit of that play
out in the US as well. Looking forward
though, do you see maybe a diversifying
of, you know, car makers making cars
just for a certain country or is it more
of that globalization still?
>> I think um let's see what the mix is.
Obviously, globalization is is where
it's at right now, but the shift is back
to more local production. So, but I I I
do think that in China in particular,
there is a playbook and the playbook is
to heavily subsidize the industry. um
basically dump products to gain market
share, drive competition out and then
you know you know basically take a much
larger share wallet. So that playbook
we've seen across industry, we've seen
in the telecom tech industry, we've seen
it elsewhere. And so I think the west
now is very much aware of that strategy,
very much aware of the national security
concerns around it, very much aware of
just the pure economic um um you know uh
competitive warfare that's happening. So
I think it it is interesting and
important that the US and European
players start to bear in mind for their
critical industries.
>> On that national security point, I think
you are seeing some movement as you
mentioned in the US under President
Trump. It's a lot about tariffs, right,
to try and bring back manufacturing, if
you will. You're seeing a bit of that in
the European Union, but Germany does
seem to be still wanting that access to
the China market. How do you see this
going forward? because the Chinese
regime does subsidize industries. You
don't really have that in the US. We
also have a lot of regulation here. How
do you see that playing out? How will
the say freedom loving countries counter
something like the Chinese regime in
this sector?
>> Well, I think um what you're seeing is
people trying to figure out um can they
count on the US? the European players on
can they count on the US or do they need
to be what I've heard one um trade um
theorist called more promiscuous foreign
policy where instead of working in a
block or working with other freedom
loving countries you kind of pick and
mix based upon each circumstance in each
year so you you certainly see the US
right now as being very transactional
and not necessarily principles based and
I think that that's having an impact on
European decision-m and I think the
Europeans will be very transactional as
well and I think that'll continue. Um,
and for the US, I I it's going to be
interesting how much manufacturing can
really be brought back home. Um, in the
automotive industry, I'm skeptical
because the amount of investment is
enormous that will be required to bring
all the manufacturing back as well as
just the cost base is very high and you
don't have the the people, you know, so
you know, one one of the big challenges,
you must have the labor and people that
are willing to do the jobs. In the US,
labor costs are very high, which is
good. you know, we want people to get
paid great salaries and have a great
wage. Um, and so I think for some of
your cheaper cars, you know, things that
are worth, you know, cost less than
$35,000. I just cannot see the US are
really being able to produce a
competitive lowcost car. Um, I think
it's really going to be still happening
in places like Mexico. And so I think
you're still going to see some
regionalization of supply chain u for
the automotive industry. I just still
see that changing even with these tariff
hits that are taking place right now.
Definitely a lot to watch for here for
sure. Kurt Hopkins, thank you so much
for joining us. Great. Thanks for having
me.