Taylor Swift Dives Deep into The Life of a Showgirl, Talks Travis Kelce's Proposal, Rumors & More

All right, let's take it from the top. A five, six, seven, eight. All right, I think it might be time for a little change of scenery. I'm gonna go say hi to Jimmy. We have to let her talk. Sorry. Oh, it was so nice. That was, that was incredible. That's the loudest intro in the history of The Tonight Show. You guys are the best. They're the best crowd. Yeah, they're the best. I feel like I'm back at the Aerosport. Yeah, I'm excited. Life of a Showgirl is out now. It went to number one. It is the biggest streaming date for any album released this year across all platforms, including Amazon, Apple, Spotify. Every platform, number one. Congratulations. That's all you guys. How does it feel to have this out in the world? I mean, yes. I'm so excited about like, this was sort of a surprise and a secret that I had been carrying around for a year. And I was so excited. It's like, it's like when you're like, I got a really great Christmas present from my brother. And I like, and you have it for a year. And so it's really exciting that, you know, they have opened the present and they are playing with the toy. It's fantastic. Like, this has just been like, I think the most well-matched era in terms of where my life was when I wrote it, and then where I am now when it's out in the world, I feel exactly the same way as I did when I wrote and recorded these songs. It's like, because sometimes you put out an album. Sometimes you write like the torture poets department, like the name didn't lie. I was like, I wrote that song and I was just like, miserable. Yeah. And then I, when I put it out, I was like, I'm so happy now. So I just like release week meant just like putting my phone in a drawer, you know, like I was just like, I, you know, this feels so special because like with my albums, I love to kind of, you know, showcase sort of like aspects of my personality that are in the extreme, right? Like torture poets department, my last album was really highlighting the facets of me that are like a writer. That's like earnest and stoic and raw and sort of like the sprawling part of it, where the part of me that wants to just be like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to write everything and give you, give you everything I wrote raw, right? Raw and like pain and just excruciating detail. And then, then there's this, like, that was the character of the poet. And this, I wanted to be the character of the show girl, which is like other aspects of a person's personality, where you're like, you're like funny and feisty and like, and like having a blast and flirty and sort of tongue in cheek and a little scandalous and like friendly. We're feeling all of it. By the way, I have to say, because I'm getting blinded. Congratulations on your engagement. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Can I see? Yeah, of course. Oh my Lord. Can we look just at the camera, please? Taylor, Taylor, that is insanity. We put a lot of, he put a lot of work into that one. He did. He, he did. And he had it for a really long time before he gave it to me too. He did? Yeah. So he had it like he custom did this and designed it with this amazing jeweler who, who he made it with. It's gorgeous. Even the sides are beautiful. I know, I know. I look at it constantly. Like it's not, it's, it doesn't feel, um, in any way normal for me. I'm just sort of like, oh man, but it's like, it's more than that. It's like, I just like, he's just my favorite person I've ever met. No offense to everyone else. Yeah. But the fact that the fact that this is the person that I get to hang out with every day forever is just like, that's, that's the whole thing of it. You look at that and you're like, I'm going to hang out with him forever. And this represents that. That's the win. Yeah. Well, I know that you did his podcast, uh, new heights, which by the way I have done. And since I've done his podcast, they've won every game. Yeah. You know what? Don't think I didn't notice that. Thank you. Yeah. And so I want to thank you and I want any credit. Let's just act like it didn't happen. Let's not jinx anything. Let's sort of, but, but, but it did happen. It did happen. We have to acknowledge certain superstitious, you know, things that cause a streak of winning. Um, yes. It's game day. My head is very much there. Yes, you are. So thank you for acknowledging that. No, we know I was going to bring out the podcast only because you did the podcast to announce and reveal your album title. Yes. And then after that podcast, I think it was, I think I'm right about this. It might be another rumor about you, but, um, he went and you got engaged right after the podcast. Yes. So basically, um, I think for Travis, the podcast was just sort of like a distraction sort of ruse to keep me not looking out the windows of the house. It was all happening. It was the backyard. Normal. When you got there, I don't, every time he does the podcast, it's not like he like blacks out all the windows of like the drape is like fully like just blackout drapes on every single window of the whole house. Yeah. You're like, honey, this is real secretive, serious about this. And I really appreciate that. Um, but then, um, after what I kind of realized, like he's, he's walking around sort of nervous about the podcast. He's like, my heart is racing. I just really want. I know how much this means to you, like really want this to be what you hoped it would be because we've been talking about doing the podcast and announcing the album. Yeah. And he's like, my, just my heart's racing. And I'm just, I've never seen this dude nervous ever. Of course he's not nervous about the podcast. He's like, I'm not a nervous person. He's like, I wonder what questions I'm going to ask you. I know one question that I'm going to ask. I know the big one. Yeah. I was like, and so I was like, do you want to go and, and just walk around the backyard and have a glass of wine? I'm like, I'm always going to want to do that. That's cool. Um, and then I realized exactly why all of the windows were curtained and why he was nervous. And yeah, look at this. It was the best possible case scenario. Look at that. That's what he was turning the backyard into like a secret garden. Uh, you've had a giant, giant year, a lot of things to celebrate. You have the number one album. You, uh, uh, you've got engaged. You also, uh, finally got the masters. You control all of your masters. That's a lot of the roots. No, like they, they, Amir knows it's we're all just, um, out here in this crazy, insane music industry. And, um, the fact that this happened still feels absolutely outlandish to me because I, I kind of had made peace with the fact that I was going to rerecord my music. I was going to try to replicate these songs as accurately and exactly as possible. And that was just what I was going to do because nobody had ever given me the opportunity to bid on my work before. So I was used to feeling whenever I would see one of my music videos that I'm really proud of from those first six albums, or when I would see like an album cover of mine or hear one of the older songs, I get so sad. And I had to sort of create this protective layer of like, not really letting them in, like, not really like, Oh, there's one of my music videos. Don't really look at it. Don't get sad. Don't let it ruin your day. Um, because you don't own it, you never will. And that's, and you just have to make peace with that. So it's actually, I've had to reroute my entire absorption system of my own work to be just stoked whenever I see any of it. And it's the best feeling in the world. Thank you guys for caring about this at all. Listen to it all. Yes. Love it all. And every time you hear it, you go, I remember where I was when I recorded it. I remember where I wrote it. Yes. And now you get to go back down memory lane. But then you also, that you rerecorded it was also historic and cool. That was really fun. I had a blast. That was awesome. It really was fun. And it was like, I, I, I know that these are not conversations that have typically been had outside of, you know, behind closed doors, conference room, contract negotiations, sort of inside the music industry type, um, spaces. And the fact that when I did say to the fans, like, this is something I care about. I know you don't have to care about this. It may not be something that you have really like absorbed yourselves in or like, but the fact that the fans cared, it means the world to me. I know that it was, it was a new topic of conversation to, to share publicly. Every artist doesn't have to care about owning their music, but I just wanted them to like, know that this is a thing. And if you do care about it, negotiate to have it. Get in there. And you're already doing, you're inspiring to do that. Yeah. And it's really cool that you did that and that you were honest and let us in kind of a little peek behind the curtain of what the business is. We don't like a huge peek behind the curtain. I was like, I like just all the, all the monsters came out. Like, yeah, I thought we could do something kind of fun here. I, because you're Taylor Swift and you make a lot of headlines, there's a lot written about you on the internet every day. Some of it is very hard to tell what's true. And, and, and I thought we could have a little fun with this. All right. Okay. So what I'm going to do is no, I'm going to read some rumors that I heard about Taylor Swift. Wait, so what is this for? It's just because it looks cool. What is it? Do you know what this does? And when I am supposed to press it, uh, wait, no, no, not yet. But I think, I think you press it and when we're all done, I'll go back through other rumor and you press it. If that one is true. So you're going to say things that are true and false and you're going to, are you? No, I'm Theresa and a lie where you guess kind. Yes. Oh, I can do that. Yeah. So you were basically one of these. I know I heard that. Yes. So one of these are true. One of these things are true, but everything else is false. That's correct. All right, here we go. Taylor Swift, you turned down the Superbowl halftime show because the NFL wouldn't allow you to own your performance footage. Okay. We're going to go through this five rumors. Interesting. Rumor two, your close friend, Ed Sheeran learned about your engagement like everyone else did on Instagram. That would be great if that's true. Rumor three, in your speech at Selena Gomez's wedding, you joke that Selena beat you to the altar. That's funny. I think, and I know you, you're funny. I could see that happen. Rumor four, you've been spotted walking a mystery dog in Florida. This is true. This is on the Internet. You are walking a dog that's not your dog, and it's a mystery dog. And by the way, I think that might be the true one, but who knows? Travis Kelce can be heard harmonizing on Opelike. All right, I said five rumors about you. One of them is true. And you are guessing now which one you think is the true one, and what happens if that is not true? If I'm correct. Do I get to throw a marker or something? No, no, no. How about this? What if it's true, then you hit the buzzer? Okay. Right? And I just sit here. Well, hopefully I'll get the right one. What if I'm correct? Okay, yeah, yeah, you could get it first. Or we can run through the room. Let's do that. Then we could maybe run through the rumors and see why the rumors. This is the most incredible. What are the rules of this game? You've never played Two Truths and a Lie, so you basically guess. But I don't know if there are two truths. I think there's one truth. There's one truth and a bunch of falses. This is called Four Lies and a Truth. Okay, so I should have this. It's false. Okay, or you hit that if it's false. There's more of a chance that it's going to be false if there's one truth in there. Then there's more. And I love a buzzer. Okay. You can take this home with you. All right. And if it's true, I'm sorry I've taken this over. No, I love it. But if it's true, I could say that's true. All right. The name of this game is called That's True. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Or you could call it That's So True, which is my favorite Gracie Abrams song. And then you could play it with other people. That's so true. Okay, cool, cool, cool. All right. I'm going to say the rumor that I think is true. Super Bowl, I don't think that you would about footage or something else too. You don't care about that. So you. Wait, hold on. I'm going to say my truth. I think my truth, Ed Sheeran is funny. Wait, wait. But I think you're closer to him. Hold on. Yeah, I didn't guess what when I say this is the truth. You're working through this in your inner monologue that we're hearing a little bit of. Correct. Okay. I love this. I'm working my inner monologue out loud in front of everybody. It's not mystery, dog. Your process is your process. It's not mystery, dog. Travis can be heard harmonizing. I don't think he would want to do that. I think he would want you to have your moment to shine. The Selena Gomez one, I feel like that's funny. And I feel like you say, hey, you beat me to the altar. I'm going to say Selena Gomez is true that you were at Selena Gomez wedding. You joked, hey, you beat me to the altar. It's false. What is the rules? Wait, what are the rules of the game? The game is not it's false. The game is it is what is the game called? I don't know. Sorry. That's false. Yeah. You never said that. Well, I so I got to see her be the most elegant, gorgeous, not not only bride, but just vision that I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen anything so beautiful as her on her wedding day. And she deserves all of this happiness. Benny is he is the best. He is so funny. He's the best. So I did make a speech, but I actually made a point not to mention anything about my engagement. Nobody wants you to be like, hey, I know this is your wedding day. You know, like I was like, don't say it. It's not like you turn it around. Do you know what I mean? This is her day. I did do some some light teasing about the way that we used to dress in 2008, the year that we met, because we met when we were teenagers in 2008. It was quite a year. Let me tell you, it was the year of deep, deep being. Was it deep? I just go. I just go into like the Gilded Age. I love the Gilded Age. Me too. The Gilded Age. Getting started. It was the year of aggressively colorful, skinny jeans. Everyone was walking around saying things were amazeballs. Mrs. Astor hated it. Oh my God, that nailed it right there. So basically Selena used to like her favorite outfit back then was like a very long tank top, skinny jeans. They know it. But like a tiny little vest, like a tiny, the smallest vest and chucks. And that was her like uniform of that year. And mine was that I just always looked like I was like late for the cowboy themed junior prom. And so I talked a little bit about 2008. I talked about how happy I am for her and how just beautiful it's been to get to be a part of her life. But I did not. All right. Make it about me. Okay, good. All right. Then I'm going to have my second guest here. And I'm going to say, I think it'd be funny if Ed Sheeran learned about your engagement on Instagram. That's so true. Perfect explanation. Oh, no. He doesn't have a phone. Did he write a whole album about an old phone that he had or something? But he doesn't have one that works. Yes, true. That is true. So he doesn't have a phone. And this is like one thing I love about him. It's very eccentric. Love it. But when I'm going through being like, hey, like, you know, hey. I'm going through my texts and being like, who have I texted within the last like month of my life? And he just wasn't there. Because you have to like, you have to like. How do you get a hold of him? The bat signal? You have to email him. And then you want to set up a FaceTime. He has to find an iPad. They have to give it to him. Like he's a child that gives the iPad. Yes. And he watches the episode of Bluey. This is one of my absolute favorite people on the planet. And I know that's why I didn't get the news came out. I was like, oh, my God, we forgot to call Ed. Oh, no. That's my favorite family. Like, I love him, but he doesn't. So that is the true. And so you didn't you didn't turn down the Super Bowl because of performance footage? No. OK. No, no. Well, here's the thing. Like Jay-Z has always been very good to me. Yes. Our teams are really close. Like it's like they sometimes will call and say, how does she feel about? And and that's not like an official offer or an official look or like a conference room conversation. She's really close. How does she feel about it in general? And we've been we're always able to tell him the truth, which is that like I am in love with a guy who does that sport on that actual field. Like that is a violent chess. That is gladiators without swords. That is dangerous. I am the whole season. I am locked in on what that man is doing on the field. I'm not. Can you imagine if like he's out there every single week, like putting his life on the line, doing this very dangerous, very high pressure, high intensity sport? And I'm like, I wonder what my choreo should be. Oh, my God, honey. Let me have one thing. I think we should do two verses of Shake It Off. It's a blank space into Girl Summer would be great. Like, it's just like this is and this is nothing to do with Travis. He would love for me to do it. I'm just too locked in. Good. Like, I love hearing that. All right. And then Travis not harmonizing on. He's not. No, no. And you've not been spotted walking a mystery dog in Florida. That was an odd one. I have never walked a dog in Florida or maybe ever. But the Internet is saying that you have. That's why I wrote it down. I didn't do that. It's not true. All right. There you go. They should be able to run free. Let them free. Let them loose. Right. They come back. That's the cool thing about dogs. All right. You just that you call them and they just come back. They come back to you. That's not true at all. And I'm going to call. I love your dog. Let him free. That's not true at all. Let it roll. Let it roll back to you. All right. We're going to take a break. In the meantime, I'm going to call Ed Sheeran and say hi to him. Check it out. Guys, thank you for doing that. More with Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. You addition in addition to your number one album, you're also number one at the box office over the weekend with the official release party of a showgirl. Congrats on that as well. That's something different. And in that you also you debuted the video for the fate of Ophelia. Great video. Thank you so much. You wrote and directed it. Every fan is looking at little Easter eggs. And I was me too. And I'm looking at everything like it's just brilliantly done. It's gorgeous. It looks like it's starting in a museum or is it what is it based on? The Hollywood theater. We wanted it to seem sort of like an ambiguous theater where you would go and see all different types of performance. So you might you might see a Shakespeare production. You might see ballet. You might see a concert. And then we obviously are like we're like referencing the John Everett Millais painting of Ophelia in both my album cover and in this music video, which it kind of becomes a plot device. But it's so beautiful because it looks like nothing. It's all like painted. But it's like, nope, now it's three dimensional. And now you're standing and I'm like, yeah, go, go, go. That's what we were calling the breaking of the parallax. Right. So like if you're so. Wait, that's the name of my next album. Right. That's such a great album title. Oh, my God. The breaking of the parallax. Oh, my God. Yeah, I got to steal that one. Yeah. Critics choice. Yes, right. Breaking of the parallax. So basically a parallax is if you're looking at something almost like a diorama. You're looking at it from one angle and it shows a picture. But if you were to come around the side, you'd see that it's it's different layers that are creating it. So that's that first scene when you're going and looking at this and it looks like a painting from front on. As soon as you turn, you see that we're backstage as well. I loved it. Thanks. I love that guy. Got me right in there. You know, I was like, yeah, and I love that. I love the diving in. Yeah. So I go, is that a shout out to the Ares tour? Maybe. Absolutely. And so essentially, like, we also wanted it to kind of hint at the Ares tour because each scene is one take. So, like, we have either a steadicam or a crane operator camera. And it's not like you switch to this angle, you switch to this angle. We cut here, we go wide, we're medium. One take. It's one take. And so that felt more like the energy of a performance when you make it or break it. It's this moment you you hit your marks or you don't. Wow. And so that was really fun to have that energy going and to be in rehearsals again with that entire group of people that I had with me on the Ares tour. And they're all in the music video. And it just felt like this joyous reunion. And then there's a reference to Kitty. Yeah. So there's a there's a like a scene marker that comes down in front of one of the scenes in one of our sort of transitions. And it says starring Kitty Finley. And there's a fictional character named Kitty in the life of a showgirl. The song that's just this this character who you meet. She's up on stage. She's doing you realize I want to do what she's doing. She inspires you. And then when you meet her, she warns you against doing it, which I think is something that may have happened to anyone who said that they wanted to go into music. You know, people who are in it will tell you how hard it is. Yeah. And how chaotic it can be and just how cutthroat. But if you love it enough, you'll do it anyway. And you'll take what comes with it. I love that. Yeah. So that's that's that name. But it's also my it's also the name of my mom's Great Dane. OK, there you go. There you go. That's which is, you know, OK, that's important to my mom. So it's important to me. By the way, we love you, mom. Yeah. Your mom's the best. Yeah, she's absolutely the best. And then and she's she is absolutely the best. And then her mother again, my mom, her mother is named Marjorie Finley. That was my grandmother. So that's where Finley came from. And all signs lead back to my mom. Yeah. Why not? That's good. Why not? Yeah. She's the greatest. She is. I do love her. And I did see a sourdough cameo in there as well. Yeah, there's there's there's a there's a sourdough bread cameo. I am recently I have become the most annoying person that anyone knows about the topic of bread. It's like I have these like baking or cooking obsessions where like my recent obsession, whatever it happens to be, becomes my entire personality. It's all I can talk about. I have to actually stop myself from talking about bread at parties because people don't. You baked me a bread and you begged me not to bring it out here. I did bake you a bread. I baked you two loaves. And then I said, if you bring it on TV, people are going to be like, she won't stop. It's too much. But I can't stop. It's too much. No. I think I need to move on to a coup trimmel of the bread jams and such. I think it could get even such like right jams and jellies. Yeah, chutneys. Wow. Can you imagine? Can you imagine the world talking about chutneys? Oh, my God. I can't wait. Yeah. They're like, avoid that girl. No, she's she's like written some bops, but she is boring. I want to hear about chutneys next time you come on. You in a verbal headlock sourdough starter and you will have to claw yourself out. I cannot wait to to have it. And thank you so much for being so generous and always doing so extra. You always go extra. You just admit you do. I want to say that about you. That's why everybody loves to come see you. You do extra. You give us a buzzer. You play a game with us that has no rules. And you make this so fun for us to come and talk about the work that we made that we worked so hard on and love. You listen to it and you like actually care about what we make. Everybody who comes on the show loves you. Thank you. But I don't mean to get it. Keep going. He did it. You got me. You got this cold heart to get emotional. Let's play another game. Yeah. All right. It's a quick. This is a fast game. It's a fast game. Where's the buzzer? No buzzer in this one. There's no buzzer. This one is the game of lasts. OK. So it's like the last blah, blah, blah. The last thing you blah, blah, blah. So I just say the last thing I did. Yeah. Just talking game. You can play it anywhere. You can play it in the car with your friends. Look, I'm driving. No, I love it. Look at me. I'm driving. Here we go. All right. This is last. And it's going to go super fast. Cool. Last person you texted. Selena. Last concert you went to. The Eras tour of Vancouver back in December of last year. Wow. Last TV show you watched. Oh. Oh, there's two. Tell me. I'm on right now. Yeah. That's different. I love it. But that's not the last one. I did it. The girlfriend is a good one. And the paper is a good one. Yeah. Last movie you saw. Last movie. Oh, one battle after the other. My God. Yes, it was great. Chase Infinity. Tiana Taylor. How are they going to split the Oscar in half? I don't know. We will see. Leonardo DiCaprio. Sean Penn. So funny. Benicio. They were so funny. Johnny Greenwood. The soundtracks. That's the fact that when you hear that theme each time. Scared. It makes you feel something different every single time. And we are so lucky to be alive at the same time as Paul Thomas Anderson. There you go. Come on. I agree. He's just like it's crazy that he is just out here doing it. He's writing it. He's directing it. He's existing on this, just this higher level that we get to watch. Anyway, that was the last movie I watched. Last fall related activity you did. Oh, I baked cinnamon rolls the other day. That is, that means it's here. Yes, it's here. It's here. It is the season. Yeah. Yes. Last song of your own that you listened to, not on the new album. Oh, okay. So I have this tradition when the eve before I have a new album that comes out that starts a new musical era. I listened to the entirety of the last album that I made. So I listened to Tortured Poets Department to say goodbye to it. And I do it every time. I love that. Every night before a new album comes out. I didn't know that. I love this game. Last song of any artist that you listened to. Oh, Tate McRae has a great new song called Tit for Tat. You got to listen to it. It's in my full volume over and over again on repeat. All right. Love that. It's so good. Finally, the last person you said, and baby, that's show business for you too. Man, I don't say it often. But I'll say it now. That's show business for you. Yeah, I'll take it. I'm allowed. I break that one. What do you think about? What do you think about playing some of the songs? What do you think about playing some of the songs together and sharing some stories behind them? I would love to. Let's do that after the break. Welcome back, everybody. Taylor Swift's A Showgirl. I thought it'd be fun to maybe go through some of the tracks here on the album of Life of a Showgirl and maybe share the inspiration behind each one. Yeah, I would love that. Is that fun? So this is our like podcast. It kind of feels like. Yeah, I love that. It's kind of like a second podcast interview I've ever done. I'm very excited. Yes, this is good. Okay, good. I'm very excited. And whoever the other person's podcast you did, don't get mad at me. Okay, because there's room for two of us. Yeah, to have podcasts. All right. Okay. Opalite. Let's start with that one. All right. Okay, let's start. I'm just going to play. I'm going to play it first and then we'll talk about it. Here, let's give a taste. Do you know the words already? Yeah, you can sing along. Go ahead. Oh, my God. You know every word? Oh, my God. Come on. Wow. You have like six minutes to learn all the words and you've done it. That's unbelievable. That's kind of amazing. Everyone in the audience knew every lyric to that song. That's not even really on the radio yet. That's wild. This is beautiful. Let's talk about Opalite. I don't even know if I know what Opalite is. Opalite is man-made opal. Okay. So just like they can do man-made diamonds, they can do man-made opal. And I thought it was kind of a cool... It was like interesting imagery and a cool metaphor for life isn't always going to give you what you want. You're not always going to get your way. You're going to get your heart broken. Things are going to happen to you. Chaos will ensue. But you have to pick your own happiness. You choose it. Like it doesn't always choose you. It doesn't always just show up knocking on your door. You have to sometimes make your own happiness just like man-made opal. Wow. But it's like, but also there's also like, you know, like gemstones in the chorus. Like onyx night. Now the sky is opalite. Just trying to kind of put gemstones in the chorus. How do you come up with this? Like do you just wake up in the middle of the night and go opalite? Yeah. That's literally how it happens. And you write it down. Yeah. I mean it's like it's in the night. It's in the day as well as the afternoon and the evening. All the times that I am here with us. Have you written something earlier today? Um, no, no. I am, I'm just vibing. This is the release week of this album. Like I'm just riding this wave. It's like, it's like this song is exactly how I feel right now. And it's just kind of like, um, amazing to hear you guys sing it like that. That was pretty. All right. Pretty great. All right. Wishlist. By the way, I love this. Sing every song. You guys sound fantastic. You really do. It's not just that you know the words. You actually sound gorgeous. Uh, that, tell me what the song is about and I'll tell you what sticks out in my head. Um, okay. So this song, the chorus, I kind of designed the chorus to be, um, and you gotta just like go with me here. Um, you know, in, in Happy Gilmore, when he, when he has his happy place. And that's, and that's where he goes when he's really stressed out or the world's really getting him down and he's really, and he's like really like going through it and he just goes to this place in his mind and he, and he, and that's his happy place. Like that chorus. I just wanted a chorus like that basically shows you what mine is and sounds exactly how mine would sound like this is utopia for me. That's what, where I go when I'm stressed out is that fantasy. And, and basically all you want is you that's, that's one of the, that's your wish. It's like, yeah, you're saying that to the person that you're with, like, yes. And you're, and you're saying, you know, that you want like this, you want to build a life with them and you want it to feel like home. And, and like, that's what you do with your lyrics. You're such a great artist and a writer. And that's so sweet. No, thank you. I can't believe I'm that person, but I don't, I don't mean to be that person, but I love hearing that basketball hoop, basketball hoop in the, that's the one that gets me. I know exactly where we are. Like, I like learned about sports for this man. I love them. Yeah. I love them. I don't want to do them, but I love watching them. I can, I could see, you know. Yeah. Someone doing them. Yeah. People do them and I'll watch them. You will watch them. Yes. But you go for it. You do it. Yeah. I love it. Do them. Yes. Do that. Um, should we transition to Wood? This is Wood. W-O-O-D. By the way, if anyone's, uh, watching that does. Yeah. W-O-O-D. Like, uh, wooden. Yes. Wood. Here we go. This is Wood. All right. Now this great. All these are great tunes. By the way. Thanks. Do you come up with tunes before, for this exact song? Did you go? No. So I, I brought this into the studio and I was like, I want to do sort of like a, I want to like do a throwback kind of timeless sounding song. And I have this idea about like, I ain't got to knock on wood. And we would knock on wood and it would be all these superstitions. And it really started out in a very innocent place. You know, it started out like, I don't know what happened, man. I. It went off the rails. I got in there. We started vibing and, and I don't know. I don't know how we got here, but I love the song. It's perfect the way it is. Uh, let's go into, uh, the life of a showgirl. So you don't know the life of a showgirl, babe. And you never gonna. Like when you do that deal, that's the ending. That's the ending. Like, Oh my God, I'm on it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Because I've been writing this album to be around the themes of, of show business and a public life. And, and because honestly, we all have a public life now. We all are mandating our, our, our social media and social circles and gossip. And, and so I was like, I want to focus on sort of like the playful, fun, funny, humorous sides of that. Um, and so we'd already, we'd been dealing with kind of themes like that and, and sprinkling those throughout the record, but I had it in my notes. Just you don't know the life of a showgirl. I just had that in my notes written down. I got to figure out how this fits in. And all of a sudden the song comes together. And the first thought I had was Sabrina Carpenter. She knows maybe quintessential showgirls. She is such a funny person. She is so tough in the right ways and, and soft and vulnerable in the right ways to be an artist that is, is dealing with the kind of just absolute mayhem that, that gets kind of, these artists get subjected to when you're putting out art publicly. Um, and I was so happy that she wanted to sing that second verse because I kind of wrote it for her, the sort of like, she's just this like, sort of like she was a menace, the baby of the family in Lennox. Her father whored around like all men did. Her mother took pills and played tennis. I was like, I just know she's going to have fun singing this. It's kind of her type of lyrics. She just loves to write like a clever little, uh, little jab at men. Is there, is there many people? There's not that many people that you can actually relate to on this level. I mean, I, I, that sounds sad. Um, but it's actually like you just kind of find your people. And even if it's not about relating to people, like I can't really relate to the pressure that, that Travis is under out there on the field. Like I've never had, you know, 300 pound men running at me trying to hurt me. You know what I mean? And, and the same way that I was Sabrina, I've, I've never come up as a new artist in the moment that she's coming up where she's had social media. Like I remember when someone told me about Instagram and it was like on my second or third record. Like, so I'll never be able to relate to their experience. We'll never be able to have identical experiences, but as sort of entertainers, one of our main jobs, I think is to be a mirror for people. You look into the art we make, you see yourself back. The way you feel about our art has a lot to do with the life experience that you're having at this point in time. And that's why I'm so happy. I have so many different albums. Like people will come up to me and be like, I didn't get reputation. I didn't understand what that was like. Now, five years later, it's my favorite record or, you know, evermore or something like that. And it is like the fun of it for us to create a mirror for people to look into. I definitely think that Sabrina and every other artist out there doing this can relate to that. So in that way, I do feel like we all can relate to each other. That's good. Father figure. Another well-written. We're good. All right. Oh, come on. Yes. And like that song was so much fun to write. So it's like, you know, protege mentor and the relationship between the two. Right. And the power dynamics and sort of the idea that the power could flip and somebody could betray somebody. That's so fun to write. And this is written from the perspective of like of the mentor, you know, to the protege. But I kept thinking about that scene in succession where where Logan looks at his kids and says, I love you. You are not serious people. And I think about that scene constantly. I just think it's one of the coolest scenes ever. And I was like, I want to write a song that has that energy of sort of Logan Roy being like you bit the hand that fed you and you do not have you do not possess the vernacular to be doing this. But I also really have completely related to the protege perspective in so many of these situations. Right. Like I relate to the to the younger one. Like when I'm listening to this song, like even though it's from the perspective of the father figure character, that's why I like this song so much. And you always find a way to go like, wait, did she just say that? Rewind that for a second. Did you just say deal with the devil? Yeah. You know, it's entertainment. Yes. It's my one. It's my one job. You know, the spice level on this album is high. Yeah, it is. I think it's the spiciest yet. Yeah, it is what it is. You know, it is what it is. This one is Elizabeth Taylor. I love Elizabeth Taylor, but let's just play a little bit of Elizabeth Taylor. All right. Another one. Another banger. Thanks. Elizabeth Taylor. Why Elizabeth Taylor? What is the connection? I love Elizabeth Taylor. I love her so much. She is like, I think the ultimate sort of icon role model that I look to when I look at somebody who had like immense pressure on them was like extremely like scrutinized everything she ever did. She kept making more and more daring art. Like, it's almost like the more polarizing people were about her, the more she just kept like doing even more challenging roles, taking bigger risks. And she's like out here, like at the height of whatever, you know, scrutiny she may have been under and the height of her fame. She's like winning Oscars and not letting anything kind of stop her from doing it for the reasons she'd always done it. She was so funny. She used humor as like a device against sort of anybody who had like any of her detractors or whatever. Like I've done that with songs like Blank Space when people are like, man-eating serial dater. And I just would be like, oh, let me write a song from that perspective. That's hilarious. So I think you have to be able to combat negativity with humor. That's my favorite thing about her. I just wanted to make a song that felt like as luxurious and glamorous as she was in the in sort of the verses and the bridge. We had a harp. We have, you know, we had we pulled out all the stops for her. Harp. I love getting a harp on a track. Yeah, just bring back. No, she's just glamour and fun. And yeah, I just love everything about everybody should be obsessed with Elizabeth Taylor. Yes. How about we do one more? Can we do Fade of Ophelia? Yes. All right. Fade of Ophelia. Do you go? How did you come with? That was the rush. Let me tell you. It's great. I felt when I thought that great. It was the same feeling that I felt when I thought of. Can't you see you belong with me? Really? Yes. Sometimes when you like. So good. I'm like, so fun. It's just like. Thank you for acknowledging that that melody. Yeah, that was that was a big one. That's a good belter. And it's like, yeah, it's just fun to sing along with. It was so fun. And it was also just sort of like we wanted to take just like different just different tones of speaking, like almost different time periods of the way that people used to speak. There's certain like Shakespearean kind of ways of phrasing things in terminology and like tis locked inside my memory and only you possess the key. But there's also like pledge allegiance to your hands, your team, your vibes like we wanted to kind of blend like now and then and try to juxtapose those together in a way that hopefully works. But I'm I love this song so much. I'm so proud of it. I'm so proud of the video. We had such a blast. Just this whole process of this song coming out into the world and I see people like dancing to it online and they're they're absolutely crushing it. Yes. It is unbelievable. I've watched like a hundred of them this morning trying to learn. Yeah, it's amazing. And like it just is it's it's so fun to have fun. And I really appreciate you guys having fun with me. We're totally having fun with you. We're having so much fun with you. I can't thank you enough for for always remembering me and coming back to the show and for keeping it 100. But I appreciate that. Is that an Easter egg, by the way? That's the lyric in the song. OK, so. So, yeah. So, yes. Yes. So it's if it's a lyric that could anything could be an Easter egg. Well, it's both. It's both. It's everything's correct. I'll tell you what it is. And like you said, you nailed it already. It's fun. And it's fun to be with you. And it's fun. We are lucky to be living in a time with Taylor Swift. Congrats. Number one album. Congrats.