Bonus: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 16 2025

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We've got our show and the info is an antidote, but we also have a couple books coming out, Clay. That's right, and you can pre-order both of them right now and be book nerds just like us. You'll laugh, you'll nod, and you'll get smarter too. Mine's called Balls, How Trump, Young Men, and Sports Saved America. And mine is Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and Propaganda Against You. Both are great reads. One might even say they would make fabulous gifts. Indeed. So do us a solid and pre-order yours on Amazon today. Welcome, everybody, to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Saxton Show, coming to you live from NYC. We're here in New York City. Clay has quite a bout this afternoon. Indeed. With Mr. Stephen A. Smith, they are going to be having a debate. And as we know, we will not step back from debates these days. We will not in any way, in any way, cede the field to the other side. Although I think you guys are going to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange. But we've got a lot of news to dive into here. And we've got updates. Well, first of all, Trump is leaving for the UK. So we've got some sound from the president himself on a whole range of things. Ukraine, talking about Pam Bondi, a deal on TikTok, which I am excited about. I have been the only, I'm going to say this, I'm the only consistent conservative, I think, on TikTok of the last few years where I'm just like, I like it, we shouldn't get rid of it. Now everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine. Trump likes it. Everybody likes it. Because there's ways to make it not. Now I know you were saying all along, well, as long as it's not a Chinese-controlled spying operation, then you like it too. But I've just been waiting for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It looks like there is. Trump also spoke on Gaza. JD Vance with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling for unity right now with the radical left. I think JD, he was guest hosting Charlie Kirk's show yesterday. I think JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll get into that. More on the Memphis crime crackdown that may be coming. And then perhaps, Clay, because we're in New York City, the New York City mayoral race, which I'm sad for our New York City-based staff because it is my belief that the mayor is going to be Mamdani. And it is almost a sure thing at this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But let's dive into a few things here. I actually want to start with this. So this is kind of a longer clip because I wanted you to hear the whole thing. But JD Vance, when he was guest hosting the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, JD Vance talking about this. Because here's what I think is very frustrating for me, for you, Clay, for a lot of people right now. You had Charlie who was doing debate, discussion, created a marketplace of ideas, a forum for ideas, and he was assassinated. And now you have all these people who are saying, well, we just need a marketplace of ideas, or we just need to tone things down and get a new exchange. Well, hold on a second. We were doing that. It's the other side that was not doing that and is not willing to do it even still. Here is JD Vance. This is cut nine with something I just think you all really need to hear. There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree. Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from generous tax treatment? They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do they reward us? By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years. I'm desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth. We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country. I think, Clay, he absolutely nails it. But also the both sides-ism has switched from both sides to political violence to both sides need to calm down and look for unity. No, this both sides thing is not going to fly. I just can't get past the fact that we have an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people. There's always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media, have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination. I mentioned last week, I bet almost every single one of you has someone in your larger friend or family network who, if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening. That's the part, Buck, that I can't get over, that I can't get past. Frankly, that I think is the most indefensible aspect of this at all. Just play along with me in this world. If Barack Obama had had an ear clipped by a bullet fired by a would-be assassin, if a month later somebody else had tried to kill him, and then in the same roughly year period, 14 months, one of the top advocates for Barack Obama had been assassinated at a free speech event, is there any way at all that the left would be saying, hey, we need for everybody to tone down the political violence? Then you toss in all of the blue sky celebrations, all of the Twitter celebrations. They are banning people on Reddit for condemning the assassination. Let me repeat that. On some of these forums that are moderated on Reddit, they are actually banning posters who are condemning the assassination. Remember what happened after January 6th. They wouldn't let Trump have an Etsy account or have a, what's the thing where they do like the poster boards and Pinterest. They banned him on every social media platform. They shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook, on all the Instagram, all the big ones. Many of you out there, they restrict it as well. I don't believe in free speech restrictions, but just look at how the left responded to Jan 6th, condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths of America as violent extremists. Now after they engage in violent extremism, the topic is, oh, we got to tone down the violence. Well, actually, why don't you address your own house and the fact that this is the logical consequence of calling a man Hitler and all of his supporters Nazis for a decade. This guy wrote anti-Nazi slogans, anti-fascist slogans, pro-trans slogans on the bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk, the casings. I'm sorry. I'm not willing to say we have a mutuality of violence issues here. The left is uniquely right now violent and driven by the rhetoric of the Democrat party. No one out there is calling mom Donnie Hitler. Nobody is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris or any of the leaders of the Democrat party. Morons, yes. Bad faith arguers, yes. But that is focused on what they're saying, not them as individuals. When you say that someone is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say, but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake to try to remove a violent extremist. This is just BS. Yeah. Well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have been making the case for years now that Trump, Trumpism, MAGA are a clear and present danger to the republic, are the end of democracy. The jokes that are made about Trump 2028, they take very seriously and they completely lose their minds over it. And I think that finally what we've seen is, people refer to normies, the people who aren't really that involved in politics day to day. They, with the response to what happened to the assassination of our friend, Charlie Kirk, they are seeing this and coming away with the conclusion, if you're a fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really wrong with the left in this country and the Democrat party is the vessel of the left. The left really controls it. After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show and we said, is the left going to dial down the rhetoric and the temperature? And within a couple of months, the answer was no. They were right back to Trump is Hitler. Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going to end if Trump is elected president. There's not going to be an election in 2026. There's not going to be an election in 2028. They went right back to the same arguments they were making that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated, instead of dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten escalated even more. Well, there are people, there are streamers. There's this whole world of internet activity that quite honestly is like people 30 and below, that even you and I who are internet native in the sense that we both started, like I started doing digital radio before I was even doing terrestrial radio, right? And then I worked for a website and you started a website. And we understand the internet. We're not old guys that are like, what's the dot com thing? Right, exactly. We're not running around with our AOL emails. Just kidding. Some of you, I know. I'm going to get, my mom has an AOL email. Don't worry. They're still cool. But there are corners of the internet, Discord, Reddit, that have become clearly centers of left-wing radicalization on some of these issues where people are encouraging each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting to me as well, Clay, that during the Biden administration, we recall there was the disinformation czar and that they used... Nina Jankowicz, was that her name? Yeah. Yeah. Soviet Mary Poppins, remember? Yeah. The efforts to shut down disfavored speech, you mentioned what they did to Trump. I mean, they did this to an actual president. They kicked him off of social media platforms. While he was in office, they would not allow him to communicate. So I also think that there's not really a willingness to have rules in place for how our side conducts itself to try to get accountability that will always just be used against it. I'm reminded of the quote from Children of Dune, which is not the original Dune, but it's one of the follow-ons. I think it's Frank Herbert. It's, when I am weak, I demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according to my rules. That's roughly the quote. And that's really the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff. It's when they can get away with it, they censor, they shut you down, they do all of this. But when they've reached a point where they've gone way too far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh, it's on all sides and we need to just turn down the temperature and, oh my gosh, you're censoring people. I mean, censoring people. Here, J.D., this is 14. J.D. was straight up said, people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should have their employers called. So this is from the vice president, play 10. America deserved 9-11, dude. So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility. And there was no civility in the celebration of political assassination. Anyway, so, yeah, the reality here is the employers being called clay. Democrats were fine with people being fired or hand gestures that meant nothing. Democrats were fine. We've gone through all of this. And basically, now that they don't have the power, now that they don't have the power to do what they want to do anymore, there's a problem. I think, again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked a little bit because they recognize the ones that are intelligent enough, that they have a toxic, violent culture on the left that they have created. And they're trying to still argue that this assassin was motivated by right-wing politics. And in fact, it's working. We should get into this. There's polling out there that suggests, again, you guys know, because we try to be honest with you and share the full scope of stories. You understand what all the data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled, that this was a crazy left-winger. A lot of Democrats actually believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk. Their lies actually have cogency and success. We'll dive into that a little bit here in a minute. But it was nearly two years ago, terrorists murdered more than 1,200 innocent Israelis, took 250 hostages. Today, it seems as if the cries of those we lost and their families have been drowned out by shouts of anti-Semitic hatred. It's almost as if the most brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust has been completely forgotten. As the world looks away, a light shines in the darkness, a movement of love and support for the people of Israel called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. 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We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. We had mentioned that President Trump was talking to reporters this morning. He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He spoke about a whole range of issues, wanted to bring you up to speed on that. Also, we've got some updates from FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds on Fox News, talking about the status of the investigation. But first up here, we've got a whole range of Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now, Pam Bondi's gotten a little bit of pushback from people even on the right over some comments that she made. Do we have, team, do we have that where she says we're going to go after hate speech? She was on Stephen Miller's wife's podcast. Katie. Katie, thank you. And was on that podcast. Yeah, we have that here. Play what she said on the podcast. There's free speech, and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society. Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action? We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle. I think she means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing, I hope. Hate speech, there's not a hate speech exception to the First Amendment. Now, this is where everyone seems to get clay in this discussion, not everyone, but people seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused or they conflate things. It is one thing to say that you publicly state something and your employer chooses to... Look, you or I, we can't, we're here on the radio. There are things we cannot say on the radio. There are words, for example, we could not say without repercussions, we would get in trouble because of the FCC. That's right. Right? So we accept that as part of... Because this is a time and place restriction on our speech. But also when you're working for a private employer, especially for an at-will employee, they can decide that you reflect poorly on them as an employee and they can fire you. That is a different thing than the government is going to go after you and lock you up because you said things that are very, very mean or very, very gross, talking about the hate speech thing. Remember, the left says that hate speech is using the wrong pronouns for trans individuals, right? So if we're going to get into this, we can't even define or rather there is no working definition of hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like. So I'm a little surprised that the AG said this. I think that she... I'm not actually even sure what she thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by where she's going with it. What we don't need... So let me take a step back and hit it two different ways. One, Europe has hate speech codes that they're trying to apply now. That's how you end up when a comedian gets off an airplane flight in London, having five police officers to wait for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't very long ago, that a British comedian was accused of hate speech for addressing trans-related issues. We have seen 60 Minutes went into Germany with their cameras and followed as people were arrested for things that they posted on social media, which I believe were clearly political speech. So I think she's wrong here. Two, and this is where I'm not happy with this. It is natural to respond emotionally to awful things. It is 100% natural. Anybody who listened to this show last week knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted by what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of the United States cannot be in a position where he or she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting in place the principles of the law under which we are all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way that the Attorney General of the United States spoke here. Now, to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address, which is again, she's a lawyer, she should be more articulate on this. If she were attempting to say there is a difference between call to action for violence, incitement, as you said, and political speech, that is true. You can't go on and say to you or me, or we couldn't say this on the show, hey, I disagree with this political opinion and you should kill that guy for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement. And if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it. I think that's what I'm leaning toward. I think that's what she was trying to say. So she has to know that conservatives, we've been trying to get rid of, the right has been trying to get rid of hate speech. For example, the fact that there have been people arrested for putting skid marks on a pride flag painted on the road. No, that's insane. Okay. You can't do that. Or that people would get arrested for burning the trans flag. This discussion we had recently. So I think she was just saying something else, but it didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke, this is what was making me think of this. Trump spoke about it. This is cut for, and also about Kash Patel. So let's hear what the president has to say. First of all, I think that Pam Bondi has done an unbelievable job and everybody agrees with that. And Kash, take a look at what he did with respect to this horrible person that he just captured. He did it in two days. It took other similar cases, four days, five days, four years, if you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence in everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot of people are saying it, not just me. It's so far the best administration ever formed. So the people who are saying that Patel is about to, Director Patel is about to get the boot, including, I think Cory Booker said that. He said, Trump's going to leave you high and dry, or he's going to kick you to the curb, something like that. Trump is standing with his people and not backing down at all. Yeah, I think a lot of that criticism came out because, to be fair, Kash tried to be overly informative on social media about the people who were being taken into custody. And there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck, that were taken into custody, that at least the way that it was released was, hey, we think we have the shooter. And neither of those individuals were, in fact, the shooter, and both were released. Now, obviously, they have the shooter in custody. I think if Kash Patel could go back, he would say, hey, I wish I'd been a little bit slower in the way that I posted about some of these arrests. But I think his goal was, as the FBI director, to over-communicate with people so it didn't look like we were hiding the ball or to allow conspiracies to take root. And so I think that was the intent. I can also point to previous instances where the FBI was delaying, and it looked like delaying so that they could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing, I'm not talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go back and think about, for example, Clay, I don't know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the, I think it was the Obama administration. This is going back quite a ways. The FBI released a transcript that the shooter who had called in because he wanted everyone to know, and he was saying things like, I'm doing this for Allah, I'm doing this for ISIS, like very straightforward. The FBI unilaterally decided to block stuff, black stuff out in the transcript. And it was preposterous because we all could play the fill-in-the-blank game. We knew what he was saying. We understood what was going on. And there have been other cases as well where I think the FBI was very, look, the one that I'm sure a lot of you listening are screaming about is all the Russia collusion stuff. Instead of being transparent and letting people know when they knew or, you know, the problem with that was they were all, I'm not, they were all, but the FBI was in on that whole scam. So there was just a lack of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency, putting information out sooner, that comes from a good place for Director Patel, but there were some missteps perhaps in the way the information was shared. Because for example, we all thought that they had the guy in custody and they didn't, and that that probably shouldn't happen. Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that are being spread on the left about the motivations of this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour, we'll dive into some more of this. There is, I believe right now, a calculated attempt on the left in this country, because they recognize that normal people out there are saying, wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder. And there is a lot of left-wing violence in the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school, in the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And you can be a left-wing malcontent, but his motivations, this shooter, appears to have clearly been fueled by left-wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people like you and me, as Hitler and Nazis and fascists and all of these things. And so I think they're trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations are coming from. So I think the goal of Kash Patel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the truth out. Well, that's, I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's an intentional effort by the media so that they can avoid the ideological accountability of, because remember, they were, they have been saying stuff. CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post, the biggest Democrat-aligned media outlets. We don't really, it's interesting, we used to call them mainstream media. We got rid of that because why do we say they're mainstream, right? And then it was legacy media, but that felt a little too exalted for them. We don't have really a good term for, I don't know, maybe lib media. My point though, is they have been saying stuff, Clay, for years, that if somebody really believed, the gap between reading this stuff and thinking that you need to take imminent action is far too small. If somebody says that the president is a Nazi, the White House is full of white supremacists, there's not going to be another election, and they're going to be marching, you know, they're going to be marching you off into some kind of camps because you're a Democrat, whatever. The crazy stuff that they say, fascism, they use the term fascism all the time. The people that say that, by the way, I think just have very little understanding of what a fascistic society is like. One thing that's not true in fascism is you get more famous and more money in the media if you are bashing the regime all the time, and that it's like a good, at least it was previously for them, a good strategy. But I think that they, the main, this is the big difference, when they do the both sides-ism thing, the mainstream thinking among the Democrat party when it comes to Trump, MAGA, all of it, is extreme and delusional. And you can say on the right there are people who have said nasty things here or there, but they are fringe, they do not have power, they are not in the center of the decision-making of the conservative or the right-wing movement in this country. And that's where there's just a hugely obvious difference. And we will, I was talking to Clay, like, do we want to play these guys or not? There are these left-wing streamers on Discord. So just so I understand, now Discord is where he was having the shooter, the assassin, right? Discord is like a chat room, but it goes simultaneously to video game playing? Is that right? So my understanding, because my boys are active, is Discord, you can create group chats. And the group chats on Discord are basically private message boards that can be very large. Or you could create a Discord group chat for, say, your family and friends, where everybody can communicate. My understanding is that he was active in trans-related Discord group chats, some of which can be very substantial in scope. What is different is, again, this is me trying to dive into the internet here and explain differences. Reddit is basically an online message board where everybody can see what is posted. And there are all these different subgroups. This is like a private Reddit. This is like a private Reddit. I think I might be thinking of, is it Twitch? Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video streaming service that largely is featuring people playing video games. So people watch. This is amazing because I actually, during COVID, I admit this, I started playing some video games again. I kind of like Call of Duty. But the idea that I would sit there and watch somebody else play video games, it just makes no sense to me at all. But this is a big, the communities that do this are huge online. My boys love to watch video games be played. Now, they would say, this is how you learn how to do things on the games, because these guys are super skilled, whether it's at playing Madden, FIFA, or Roblox, and Fortnite, and all these different things. And I asked my boys about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch a lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports. Why is it weird to watch people play video games? And I was like, oh, you know. So interesting argument. You and I generation, we didn't have the ability to watch other people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth. The thing that was crazy to me that they would watch is other kids opening presents. But this is clearly- This is their generation. The hard left of Gen Z, this is kind of where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing. And they have people that have become very prominent with large followings, who are really bad dudes. And they're in this part of the internet. Like Clay and I, I've never been on Twitch. I've never been on Discord. And I barely have ever- Same for me, basically. I've never used Reddit. I've had it come up in search. But these other things, this is a place where radicalism of the left is thriving on the internet. And that's really what I think is- Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of the social media sites on the internet. You might say, well, why do I care? Reddit is one of the top sources now for AI information. That's- Sounds scary, but if you're worried about what the algorithm is going to spin out, an algorithm is only as good, an AI is only as good as the information that is inputted. And Reddit is a toxic place when it comes to left wing dominance of the conversation. Look, let me tell you, there's a home burglary about every 30 seconds in this country on average until the cops show up. How would you defend yourself or your family if this happened to you? Our sponsor, Sabre, makes non-lethal self-protection tools. 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Patriots, radio hosts, a couple of regular guys, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've got an update on a different assassination case than the one we've been very focused on for the last few days, the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United Healthcare CEO. And I just want to update you on what happened and then you'll hear about what it sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York, where we are for this week. A judge has thrown out the top counts in Luigi Mangione's state murder case, rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a terrorist in a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Gregory Caro tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an act of terrorism and murder in the second degree as an act of terrorism against the 27-year-old. He did keep alive the other second-degree murder charge for allegedly executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December 4th of 2024. Let me see. The people presented sufficient evidence that defendant murdered Brian Thompson. That does not mean the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so this judge is a moron. Yes. So the judge is a moron. That was quick. Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And speaking of idiots, here is outside the courthouse when the top counts were dropped against this guy. This is what it sounded like to a bunch of people, or from a bunch of people gathered. I have a lot of feelings about this, Clay. One thing is, you know, the whole both sides-ism? Not a single Trump voter in that crowd, I can assure you. Not one. It's all leftists, all Democrats. Well, this is where I think a lot of us, and I'll put myself in this camp, became aware of the uniquely toxic environment on the left, when just down the road from where we are doing our show, you can almost see the location of this assassination of the United Healthcare CEO, a lot of people defended it on the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating, so the CEO should have expected that he might get killed, and even said it's a good thing. And they tried to turn Luigi Mangione into a heartthrob, because remember, it took multiple days to catch him, because he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled. There's the bike racks right outside the front of this building, where he grabbed a bike and then vanished. Yeah, we're right here in Midtown, near where the assassination occurred, so we know that street very well. And I just, I think about, one, the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him and his, we'll talk more also about, they're looking into who else knew and what did they know, and was anyone aiding and abetting in any way, we'll get to that in the third hour, but Clay, they certainly were aware of these, in the Discord chats, which I was learning about what Discord is, certainly were aware of Luigi, and wasn't the joke, wasn't there a joke made, you know, don't go to a McDonald's or something among them, because that's where Luigi got caught, I think. Yeah, that's right, he got turned in by a guy who recognized him at a, I think it was a Pennsylvania-era area, kind of rural location where the guy recognized him, and I just, again, to your point, there is no equivalent to this on the right. I can't remember a situation like this where we've seen a reaction. Right when people don't cheer for murderers, that's just the reality in America today. 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Listen to the answer. Here it is. In terms of what we do for an interrogation perspective, we go and reach out to the family and community immediately, and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations with local law enforcement, and we're continuing to do that because those closest to the suspect are going to hopefully know the most about the suspect and his beliefs and his ideology. On top of that, unfortunately, it has been leaked that there was a Discord chat, and for those unfamiliar with it, it's a gaming chat room online that the suspect participated in. So what we're doing, we've already done a sort of legal process, not just on Discord, so that the information we gathered is sustained and held in an evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it be decided to do so. And we're also going to be investigating anyone and everyone involved in that Discord chat. Okay, very good. I see the public reports that the Discord thread had as many as 20 additional users. It sounds like you're trying to run down all of that to see if that's accurate, who else may have been on that thread, what they may have known. Is that fair to say? It's a lot more than that. We're running them all down. It's a lot more than 20? Yes, sir. And you're running all of that together? Every single one. Okay, so one of the challenges here, Buck, and again, that's Kash Patel responding today, testifying on Capitol Hill, is going to be, did people know or did they not know about this plan? Because there are a lot of social media posts saying that something was going to happen to Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, Buck, to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over the place. Are posts like this common? In other words, were death threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people regularly said, oh, something's going to happen to Charlie when he speaks at this location or that location? I'm sure the FBI is looking into it, but the trans universe out there, that is the people that are connected to this trans individual that the alleged killer was living with, seems fairly substantial. And many of those people were very active, and they tried to scrub a lot of the commentary by deleting accounts and by deleting comments that were posted. It's going to be a big part of this investigation, I think, to find out how many people might have been involved or had pre-existing knowledge of this assassination attempt. They're going to look at everything they can and get into these Discord chats. The thing about all these electronic communications is that people think that there's security on them, meaning you can say things and the authorities won't find out. No, they can get into it, and they will. They'll get into all these different servers and see what was said, and they'll also, I think, chase down additional leads as well. There's been discussion from Kash Patel about funding for this incident or anything similar to it. Any left-wing terrorism that is out there, they want to see who is funding this stuff. I think that's also very important. Kash saying that we are, in essence, we are going to... Here you go. Actually, this is cut one. Would you guys play this one for me? I wanted to pull this one up. Here's Kash saying they're going to go wherever the money takes them. I've always said we follow the money. Whether it's terrorism or attacks based on ideology or attacks on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying for it. We are reverse tracing those steps. We are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who funded them and knowingly funded them. We will bring the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DOJ. So that's interesting. Follow the money, terrorism or attacks based on ideology. Someone is paying for it. Is he speaking, Clay, you think just in general about these kinds of violent incidents? Or is there something about this one in particular? Because the rifle that was used, you'll notice there's not much of a talk about gun control because if you try to ban this rifle, you're banning it. This is basically an old school bolt action hunting rifle is essentially the murder weapon that was used here, the assassination weapon that was used. So there's nothing about that that is expensive or sophisticated or out of the ordinary. I think it's interesting. I'm not sure if Kash is just speaking about this to set a general tone that for any of these incidents and if there's going to be in the future, let's say Antifa or Trantifa riots in neighborhoods, are they being funded by some of these shadowy carve-outs that have tie-ins to anybody funded by Soros or whatever it may be? Or is there something about this that they're specifically looking at a money trail? For him to bring this up, I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money in this incident, whether there's anything that they've seen that makes them think. Because they're looking for co-conspirators, they're looking for people that knew, they're looking at all these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics of this would require financing really. It's not like jihadist terrorists, you have to get maybe they're getting fake passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly don't know yet and that even the FBI doesn't know they're trying to chase down. Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass protests have not existed for year one of Trump? I know there have been some, they had that one No King's Day or whatever it was, but it's kind of a dud. Sad exclamation point. Kind of a dud. The anti-Trump protests on inauguration day, you and I have talked about being in the midst of those and how sad and muted they felt. It was cold. We want to give those old ladies a cup of hot cocoa. Yeah, I felt like they needed bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles, it was sad out there. I walked into Fox News today and there were eight or so bedraggled protesters, all 75 or older, standing outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder is, did BLM, did a lot of people suddenly realize that they were going to get looked into in a real way? Because remember how suspicious it always was, some dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just be bricks that were able to be picked up and two by fours and other objects of violence that just materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters. I think a lot of us have come to recognize that there are many people who paid to show up, but it does feel like those overall, what they tried to label organic protests have suddenly vanished in Trump 2.0. There was clearly a rent-a-mob phenomenon that had occurred in previous left-wing protests. I think that's definitely the case. I also think that now when they look at the places where this stuff is being organized and planned out, it is in places like these Discord chats. This has become, and I think the perfect example is neither you nor I, who are very internet aware and active, are on Discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not on Twitch. But if you were to think about where do people in Antifa and where do those kinds of radicals find each other? I go back, Clay, to the old jihadist chat room. This was something that for a long time, and a lot of the counterterrorism investigations of the, call it the 2010s, around there, it all started with people who found each other. This is now jihadist terrorism we're talking about, but they found each other on a chat. And then maybe they started attending the same mosque. They'd try to go to a more radical mosque. And then maybe they would start doing a little bit of firearms training together or talking about how to build a bomb. And they would share articles from Inspire, which was Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda arm telling people, go do terror attacks. Here's how you do it. But they were finding people in these chat rooms. And then it became very clear over time, FBI and other entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going on there. And I think that they're going to find a lot of really scary and very likely illegal stuff being discussed when they start to look at the, because these things tend to be linked to each other, right? This group is talking, maybe this group also has this other group and they communicate in this online ecosystem. Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord, and I know a lot of you are not hyper online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a series of private message boards. And I think when they now know that this Discord group chat that Kash Patel referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should Discord chats, right? And again, I understand this is getting into weeds a little bit for some of you, but Reddit is a public forum. Twitter is a public forum. That is everybody can see what is posted on these things. If you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the rent-a-mob together to go bash some windows down at this place at this time, guess who else is seeing it? The cops and everybody. So that they can track. But I wonder to what extent there's going to be questions now raised about private message board servers in Discord and the conversations that are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Because it's bringing strangers together. And this is what I mean about the old school jihadist chat rooms. This is where people would find each other online. And then that would be the formation of the cell or the formation of the radicalization process would start there. And then things would follow onto that. Then the action would come instead of the old school chat room, which now it's specifically these Discord servers. So I wonder how much of an investigation is going to go on and I think you're raising good, interesting questions, which are how much of these private conversations in a public forum, Discord is a company that is hosting and making money off of these, how much of them are incredibly toxic and how many of them are criminal in nature? And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for authorities to monitor those conversations? I wonder what kind of, what do they call it when they have the people like... Moderating. Thank you. Moderating. Because Facebook and these other major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation. They've had to, but they also, I'm sure, using not just algorithms, but AI increasingly to do this stuff. Discord may be kind of the Wild West a little bit. That's the sense you get, right? It may be almost like anything goes in this chat room and these people feel like no one else is going to see this or find this. And as the FBI starts to kick over some of those stones, we could see some really ugly stuff. Also, reportedly this assassin confessed in Discord. Yeah. That would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue for him. And to your point, I wonder how much of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating from these toxic people finding each other and driving each other to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of hate on all sorts of social media sites, but I think there's a difference between public, that is what everybody can see, and private, which is taking place on these Discord chats. We'll talk about this. We'll play some of your talkbacks when we return. 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