DETAILS: Harris reportedly 'angry' with Biden before Trump debate

In our news-making interview with President Trump a few minutes ago, we talked a lot about juicy new details in the pages of a new book by his last opponent. Kamala Harris' book. She says, she writes, that in private you were very nice to her. And she says that on the phone you called her a tough, smart customer. Did that happen? Not that I know of, but I was nice to her. And that last soundbite is where we start with our panel. Comfortably Smug, one quarter of the Variety program, the Ruthless podcast. And Megan Hayes, the former Biden official whose duties used to include trying very hard to keep me away from Joe Biden. And she did a pretty good job. Thank you guys for being our first panelists. Thanks for having me. So Megan, in the book, in this Kamala Harris book, she says, before the debate in Philly against Trump, Joe Biden called her and said, my brother called, he's been talking to a lot of real power brokers in Philly. He offered several names and asked if Harris knew them. She did not. Harris writes, then he got to his point. His brother had told him that those guys were not going to support me because I'd been saying bad things about him. He wasn't inclined to believe it, they claimed. But he thought I should know in case my team had been encouraging me to put daylight between the two of us. Does that sound like Joe Biden? It doesn't not sound like Joe Biden, but I'm not sure what context this is in. But I mean, look, the vice president has every right to tell her story and everyone else is writing books. She should, too. I, as a Democrat, wish she would not be sniping at other Democrats and we should be pushing back on Donald Trump's economic policies that are disastrous for Democrats. But again, she's entitled to do what she wants to do. And when you say that that does not not sound like Joe Biden, as somebody who spent a ton of time with him, please elaborate. I mean, he could be very pointed, and I don't know that it was at the context of that conversation or when the timing was. But Joe Biden can be very pointed when he wants to be. And Smug, when you look at something like this, how can it be true? I'm not doubting Kamala Harris's memory here, but how can it be true if all the stories about Joe Biden in the last couple of months are that he was in a coma? Yeah, so I think he was absolutely in a coma, but I think a coma patient can occasionally be angry. And that's the only time you'd see signs of life about Joe Biden, it seems like when it was time for his family to make money or when it was him to try to convince people that he's not actually out of commission. And it's great that we have Biden staffers still trying to cover for the guy that, that doesn't sound like him. Well, I think it certainly does. The guy was never a good candidate and had to get pulled in the last second. Our next topic here, the attorney general's ears were burning last night. The president posted on Truth Social in part, Pam, I've reviewed over 30 statements in posts saying that essentially same old story as last time, all talk, no action. We can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing. Justice must be served now. He wants prosecutions of James Comey and of Tish James. Smug, should we really be surprised by this? Because didn't Trump run on, for lack of a better word, getting even? He didn't run on getting even, he ran on law and order. And the individuals that he mentioned there absolutely committed crimes and were obstructing an election. They were trying to prevent Donald Trump from getting elected. Unfortunately, the popular vote and the electoral vote went to President Trump. I don't blame him. I think it's time for law and order in this country. And Megan, we're always a lot of times when Donald Trump does things that are a first, people say it's unprecedented. It's never happened before. But is this so different from when the last administration and Joe Biden would kind of quietly put out through sources, senior officials at the White House and the newspaper, that during the Hunter Biden case and during the classified document case, he was really mad at his attorney general, Merrick Garland. I don't think that Joe Biden ever hid his feelings towards Merrick Garland publicly or privately. So, but I do think what is unprecedented here is the factions in the MAGA base that this is causing. And it makes me curious how long Pam Bondi will last, because if it's not this, it's the hate speech that she messed up on earlier this week and not releasing the Epstein files. This is creating a huge faction within the MAGA base. And it will be interesting to see how long she lasts and then who replaces her. Our next topic, AOC, reportedly thinking about running for president in 2028. She's old enough now. Meghan, that would be generational change. You were a part of the last winning Democratic campaign. Could she win? You know, I don't know if she could win. I think she has the way she campaigns and the way she can connect with the base is very attractive. But the problem is, is that the states she needs to win are very moderate. And those states, I don't know that she appeals to, just like, you know, she appeals to people in New York City. I don't know that she appeals to people in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Michigan. And I think that will be interesting. But I do think that we do need younger generation, the Democratic Party. And I am glad that we are talking about having younger people run. What about in the primaries? Do you think the other guys, it's mostly men, mostly guys, Gavin Newsom, JB Pritzker, Westmore. How would she rank for you with those guys? I am not, I do not have the same socialist policies and beliefs that she has. I'm probably much more moderate than she is. But I do think she will add something to the conversation. I think she'll make whoever is the nominee. I don't think she will be the nominee. I think she would make that person a stronger candidate, though, for our base and more attractive to moderates. She said the S word, socialist. And so, Smug, I've got to ask you, what does it say about the Democratic Party that the leading contender for mayor in New York right now is a socialist and the contender right now that we're talking about on a Sunday show, getting the most buzz in 2028, describes herself sometimes as a democratic socialist. Why are so many people in this country drifting towards this socialism idea? Well, I don't think it's people in this country who are drifting towards socialism. I think it's that party that's drifting towards socialism, and they're allowing a more radical segment of their base to take over that entire party. You're going to have the mayor of New York describe himself as a socialist who wants doesn't represent nearly half this country. And it's a despicable thing that half this country is trying to be represented by a party that agrees with these tenants. It's a horrific situation. But why is it happening so rapidly? Because it doesn't seem like when you go out in the world, there are more socialists at the deli waiting for lunch. Is it a social media socialism? No, it's an absence of leadership in that party. They had an asleep at the wheel president Joe Biden, who had no control over what was happening in the White House, let alone in his party. And you have no leadership happening on that on that side of that party right now. You have radical extremist segments which are committing violence, and all of them are too afraid to condemn it. Our big story today, as soon as this show concludes, is Charlie Kirk's memorial out in Arizona. They're going to be doing voter registration drives. They're going to be requesting donations. It is a sad event. It is also a political event. Charlie Kirk's admirers over the last couple days have been talking about how they think much of the line of succession that is there today would not be serving a President Donald Trump if it was not for Charlie Kirk. Do you agree with that? I don't know exactly. I'm sure he played a huge part in getting a lot of young people to vote. I think that he has a huge platform, which is incredibly important. I think that Democrats can take note of how you use social media and how you use younger voices to bring people into the party. So I do think that he probably did impact the election, which is a positive thing for the Republican Party. I don't agree with what he was saying, but that's not, those aren't my views. What do you think, Smug? The 2024 election, would it have gone for Trump without Charlie? I don't know if it would have. Charlie had tremendous success with the movement that he led, and the positive message that he had for the youth of this country. And even the way he would do it is showing up to campuses, which are typically just absolute hotbeds for liberals and far leftists, but he would present them with a microphone and have an open discussion. And when you have an open dialogue, that's how you win hearts and minds, and I think that's what he did. He was a wonderful man. Comfortably, Smug. Megan Hayes, please come back sometime, and thank you for being our first ever panelist on the show. Thank you so much. Hey, everyone. I'm Emily Campagno. Catch me and my co-hosts, Harris Faulkner and Kayleigh McEnany on Outnumbered every weekday at 12 p.m. Eastern, or set your DVR. Also, don't forget to subscribe to the Fox News YouTube page for daily highlights.