Pyramids and Geoglyphs Discovered in Peru | Pillars of the Past Interview | Megalithomania

Hey Megalithomaniacs, here we are at the Cosmic Summit 2025. I've met up with Raúl Bilecki, who runs the Pillars of the Past YouTube channel and other projects around that, and I've met him here. I've been following his work for some time because he does some exceptional work in the kind of remote areas of ancient Peru, finding sites on Google Earth, going to investigate them and making actual discoveries that are really groundbreaking in my opinion because not many people are actually making discoveries in this current era. So the fact that the governments and the authorities aren't interested actually interests me because we're finding the same problem in places like Carajan Tepe and Quebecly Tepe where we're making kind of similar in some respects discoveries. And so I want to talk to him about that and also about his work and we're going to look at some of the discoveries that he's been making. So hey Raúl, how's it going? Hugh, it's a pleasure to be here and thank you for having me. Nice, it's really good. We've been chatting over the weekend, we've been obviously watching the amazing talks here at the Cosmic Summit, but you came on stage, you were part of the Cosmic Summit Explorers Club, which was an excellent part of the conference in my opinion. There were several of you, there's David Stig Hansen, Michael Donilon, we had Gary Nerdrotic running as well, and Nicky Anna Jones. So that was really cool, I really enjoyed that. And you gave a little presentation, that really caught my attention because you've actually got some discoveries that you found down there. So to begin with though, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself because you are connected to Peru directly? Yeah, you're absolutely right, I do have a personal connection with Peru. So my mother is from Peru and my dad met my mom down there and my dad was a really adventurous guy and so we would go there every year, year and a half growing up. And my dad was the type of guy where we're renting the cars and driving from Cusco to the Colca Canyon and then back to Lima. So we went everywhere and I really fell in love with the history, the culture. The biggest moment for me, I had it in the presentation and I still have the original home footage of this from 1997. I was at Machu Picchu and back then you didn't have any restrictions on what you could explore. You didn't have to buy any passes, you just went and you had free reign. And so I broke away from the group tour that was happening and I went investigating some cave that was up there and I saw something shining in the walls and I kind of started to dig at it and I found seashells. So there's the home video of me like, dad, dad, look what I found. I found these seashells because it blew my mind. I knew we were 8,000 feet from sea level and that just fueled this decades-long interest in what's happened to our planet, what's happened to the cultures on our planet. So I would learn about cataclysms, I would learn about trade networks. And then so continuing to kind of go to Peru, I'm always I'm the off the beaten path type of guy and there isn't a lack of ruins that are off the beaten path in Peru. And so early last year I began using satellite imagery from Google Earth and I started to be able to, I got really good at it and I have my own particular methodology, but I started identifying what I thought was ancient architecture down and just using Google Earth and these were sites that there were no location markers, there was no names, no pictures associated with them. And I caught a bit of flack on social media when I posted my theories out there and I said, you know what, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is and invested my life savings on an expedition last year. And in 23 days I checked out over 90 locations I had mapped out, every single one was the ruins of ancient architecture. So you did this on one expedition, everything on your YouTube and Instagram, one expedition? So I managed to get two terabytes worth of footage, about half of that is actually usable. I would find out when reviewing, because I'm so excited, I have the GoPro on my head and I'm like looking at this and looking at that and none of that was usable. So but I've learned and that'll help me in future expeditions. Now that's really cool, I mean the fact you've just done one major expedition and you've kind of created a whole channel from that, it's pretty impressive. So I want to look at a couple of the things you've discovered, I mean I think maybe we'll just mention to the listeners here that Peru is rich in megalithic architecture, earlier cultures before the megalithic era apparently like Kerala and all this kind of thing. You've got the whole northern desert kind of going up to Karmarkar and all these areas as well and you've come across some megalithic stuff potentially, you know which could be you know part of pyramid structures and other such things. You've got geoglyphs, more geoglyphs than in Nazca and Palpa and all this kind of area and some of them are unreported. I think that is really impressive but you wanted to show me something here about some elongated skulls. Yes, so unfortunately what I came across, there wasn't a single site that I came across that didn't have looting in some capacity and that's just the unfortunate reality of the way things are down there. What's even further unfortunate about that is the conditions that these sites are left in and one of the things that you know fascinated me was the amount of buried architecture that I was still finding. You would just see in a sand dune this few bricks of a wall and you know it's there. You see it from the aerial footage, that's what I was seeing from Google Earth, you see these but getting there you end up coming across things like this. Yes, so what have we got here then? This is a burial site where for almost a full kilometer all you see is skulls and bones. All these little divots are where people have looted. Eventually you'll find places where the looters have set things up on display. Why would they do that? I think because they kind of found, this is how like close I would get to some of these sites, I had a jeep so I was able to go off-road. Where is this? This is down in southern Peru in the Nazca-Ica desert region. So this is a traditional area where we find a lot of these elongated skull people? Yes, and so I can circle to one of those videos. So this is fascinating isn't it? Just the fact that you can go to Peru now and just walk across or drive across the landscape and actually find complete kind of burial sites, looted mind you, but still with elongated skulls, artifacts which have probably mainly been looted I would imagine. But it's still there. I mean you have to question why this whole area isn't protected in some way. And that's become one of the major problems. I'll circle back to the elongated skull in a second but this is a very good example. So the mummies when they were interred especially down in these regions you can go to the Chachia Cemetery and still and see the original mummies that they had from thousands of years ago. So they were buried in a seated position with their arms across their knees. They were wrapped with cotton and then textile and ropes and things like that. And so at some of these burial sites what you end up seeing is are those mummies that have been ripped apart. Looters looking for, I believe they're looking for jewelry and metallurgy, things of that nature. But this here is an example of one of the mummies that's all the cotton. Yeah. So you've just brought up on here some of the geoglyphs in I believe the Supe region you mentioned. But this is again fascinating to me because these aren't recorded anywhere. You mentioned this in your talk Cosmic Summit. So what is going on here? So what's interesting about this is when you think about the Nazca Lines, being in the Corral Supe region, if they are attributed to the Corral Supe culture, which is why documenting these things is so important. You can see right here this is agriculture here. It's only a matter of time until they start looking for more land to cultivate and they start cultivating over these geoglyphs. So that's one thing Pillars of the Past is working on trying to preserve and create a database really of things like this. But the interesting thing about these geoglyphs, if they are attributed to the Corral Supe culture, that makes them several thousand years older than the Nazca Lines and what they're dated at. And so there is one geoglyph that is associated with Corral Supe and it's close to the main Corral site. I have not been able to find any sort of documentation. I've written to Dr. Shady, the lead archaeologist at Corral. I've spoken to a few other archaeologists who said, I don't know, I'm going to have to look into that. And I'm like, please do. I'd love to know more about it. So I saw on Google Earth what looked like a giant face. And when I got there and put the drone up, I found more than just a giant face. You can see there's these spirals here. Oh, look at that. Yeah, yeah. That is very... That's me right there for scale. Oh my goodness. Well, almost like sort of labyrinth. Yeah. And you'll see the drone's going to pan up in just a second. You'll see the face. Because traditionally the Nazca culture is later. It is thousands of years later, which makes this incredibly interesting. Then we have... So it pulls up and you start to see the face. Top there, yeah. Look at that. Just here. That is quite something. Yeah, you showed a good image of that in your... Yeah, this is... I have another quick little video of it. Look at that. That's just like a kind of almost like an old man's head. Doesn't look very happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I mean, that is strange. I mean, because that's not something you would expect from the... Not at all. The whole Corral culture. I mean, I heard reports of some kind of... There was some other geoglyph reported. There is one. And that one is the classic one that is associated with the culture. It has its face to the side. But no, you're absolutely right. There is one geoglyph associated in that vicinity. And it's a profile of a face from the side. And it looks different than this. This is more, I guess, polygonal, it could be a because that face, it has hair coming out of it. It's the only one associated there. And so that's why, you know, for me, I was kind of mind blown that I could not find a single thing on it. You would think it's in the same valley, you know. Same valley. It's in the same valley. And a lot of times with these newer discoveries, I don't like to give out the... Especially with burial sites. I'm very careful about not putting, you know, or when I'm editing a video and using a map to make sure the location markers aren't there for preservation sake, you know. And ideally capturing and documenting as many of these things as possible is a way to kind of help continue these efforts of preservation. Why do you think that the authorities have so little interest? Is it because there's simply too many sites? There's just so much that they've got to deal with anyway, that finding more sites that they probably see as lesser sites just doesn't interest them. They just don't have time. Is that what you think it is, or is it something more sinister that they want to kind of just suppress it? From what I've seen, I think it's a little bit of both. I think it could be a little bit of both. As far as a sort of suppression of history angle, the sites that I've seen ruined, because I found over a dozen sites on Google Earth, and this is part of my mapping process when I'm looking for ancient architecture, I'll move the satellite imagery date back. And as I started to do that in certain locations, all of a sudden you're seeing ruins pop up that aren't there anymore, which you see now is, like I showed you in that video, these fields. And I found over a dozen of those. I went to go visit them, and from what I saw, they weren't necessarily the most important ruins. But the thing is, you never know, because nobody's going out there and studying them. These things weren't catalogued. There was no Ministry of Culture designation. It did not appear to me that in any of the locations I went to that... You have to feel for the cultures in Peru, too. There is immense poverty, especially in these outer indigenous regions. And so there's a soft spot that I have for a local indigenous person trying to make most of the farmland that they might own or something like that. But this isn't the case of what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is corporations and big money coming out with bulldozers and just completely eradicating these sites. So the geoglyph thing, I think, should be big news. I mean, that should really be big news. That needs to be addressed and scanned. It needs to be looked at, because this is as big as the other geoglyph discovered there, at least. It's the same on a huge scale. You've got Nazca Discoveries still being made on Palpa and places like this, down in the Nazca eco-region and everywhere else. But this is a whole different area. A whole different thing. I believe it's 800 full kilometers from Nazca. I mean, we're... Yeah. But you do get them in North America, like the Blyas Geoglyphs, but they're not as impressive as this, really. But here you've got actual pyramids that you've been looking at. You've been looking on Google Earth. I saw this in some of your videos on Instagram and YouTube. And it just was like, what? You're discovering giant pyramids. And this isn't like the Bosnian pyramids. It isn't like kind of natural features. This is actual kind of the remains of actual ruins in Peru. I mean, so can you just explain roughly the area we're going to be looking at here? So this is in northern Peru. It's actually... I would find this out later, because I posted this and an archaeologist reached out to me on Instagram and he said, I think this is the site of Pugulin. And he sent me a dissertation, somebody's academic dissertation. And I combed through it and I saw a citation and I looked at the site and I followed that and I found Walter Alva had gone to this place in the 1970s and did a brief survey. And he's quoted as saying this is a place that warrants more excavation. For decades, he's been saying he wants to go back here to excavate. He's just never had the opportunity, never had the money to do it. So in the 1970s, they did a brief survey. And this was all after the fact. So I went there. Apparently, it was pretty big on Reddit. I didn't even know that somebody let me know that. You can see here. So this is... I was like, these have to be pyramids. And also because the alignment, north is up. They're facing north, northeast. And so that means the celestial alignments on solstices. And so this is just some of them. So these are like platform pyramids. Platform pyramids. And they're... It was very validating because after I went and explored my own assessment of these things, were validated in Walter Alva's original survey. And there were three images in the original survey. As far as I know still to this day, this is the only modern media that exists of this site. And that's one thing that I can say that the channel is doing, is bringing for many of these sites, the only modern media, pictures, video that exists of these sites. And so you can see one of the... This is on the ground. That's one of the platform pyramids. Goodness gracious. Look at that. I mean, these are epic. This is like Teal Water Khan kind of mega size. And what I would love to have is some sort of LIDAR or mapping terrestrial survey, so to speak. This here, it almost looks like it was flattened. Look at that. Look at all the shaping. I mean, it's so clear, isn't it? Oh, yeah. I mean, and how is this just complete desert now then? I mean, was this a lush landscape? You can see on Google Earth that even nowadays, it does have its seasonal, big seasonal changes. But this area on the coast, the ocean is... You have this mountain range, the ocean is literally right behind it. So this site has been inundated many, many, many times. And what's ironic, in my assessment, this site has 16 platform pyramids at minimum, at minimum. And so it's shocking to me that it hasn't had more research done to it. That original survey suggested a date of 1800 BCE. This is the first time I'm ever like, I really don't believe that. I straight up don't believe... Because if it was 1800 BCE, there'd be pottery shirts. That's when pottery was happening at this time on the coast. And there was one picture of a pottery in the survey. But I walked this entire site. There was one, maybe two pieces of pottery. And that's it. So this is... And even that survey suggests it's possible that this dates much back older. Walter Alva said that. So I firmly believe that. And what is it kind of made of then? It is carved directly out of the bedrock. This is carved from bedrock? From bedrock. So we're talking like limestone here, sandstone? I'm not a geologist. But what I will say is, in that original survey, there were chambers. There's a picture of chambers carved out in the main pyramid, in one of the ones I walked on. When I went there, either it was filled back in after they excavated it, or just over time, in the last 50 years. I mean, this is right on the coast. I could barely get the drone up. It was so windy. There's sand blowing around everywhere. So erosion happens fast here. And so the fact that these are still standing the way they are, I mean, I can only imagine what they might have looked like before erosion took its toll, or cataclysmic events. Because tsunamis were known to hit this area frequently. That is quite interesting, isn't it? I mean, this is like something to behold. I mean, 16 pyramids in one site. So this was a major complex. You know, and this could go back to the time of Corral, possibly even earlier. I think it's older. Honestly, I think that it might date back to what they're finding Huaca Prieta to date at. Because Huaca Prieta was a mound that was initially carved out of the bedrock, and then they built on top of it. And Tom Dillehay's work, when he dated Huaca Prieta, it's now widely accepted to be 11,500 BCE. I firmly believe that this feels like a very similar style to that other place. So where is that? That's down the coast further, probably. I can't tell you in kilometers. I can say probably seven hours, eight hours down the coast. So you're talking about dates that are kind of in the ice age. Some of these sites could potentially be that old. I mean, this one, do you think? Possibly. This is the first time I'm kind of putting it out there like this. But yes, I do. And it's because of its shared similarities with Huaca Prieta. And for the longest time, Huaca Prieta was dated at 6,000 BCE. And I mean, Tom Dillehay has dates that go further back than 11,000. But what is accepted now on Wikipedia and by academics all over is that 11,500 BCE date. They're building there just several hours down the road. What is there, though? I mean, what is there to look at? Oh, it's a mound. So this is Huaca Prieta here. And it's this entire mound. And what they found were chambers inside. It was actually the way it was a layered platform pyramid. And it was underneath one of the platforms they found refuse. So what they believe was happening was that these ancient cultures were putting their trash and then capping the trash. This was all the work of Junius Bird and Tom Dillehay, who were the archaeologists on it. But like I said, for the longest time, it's dated at 6,000 BCE. Tom Dillehay went back. Now it's widely accepted. And while we're on the same topic, Corral was discovered in 1948. And it wasn't until 50 years later that Dr. Shady's working on it and finds that this is what is currently said to be the oldest advanced civilization in the Americas, the Corral-Sube culture. So that being said, when archaeologists and antiquarians were going through all these sites back in between 1900 and 1950, they did original passes on these things, looking for treasures, and then kind of been left untouched. I mean, everywhere I went had a lot more to be excavated. That's 100% for certain. Tom Dillehay is an interesting character. He's come up in my research before because he believes that there was development of agriculture going back to the era you're talking about in this region. So is there any more information that's come out about that that you're aware of? I mean, I believe that a lot of Tom Dillehay's... I mean, he did the discoveries in Monte Verde. And he was really just accosted harshly by the world of academic archaeology. And so a lot of his series, like having agriculture... Look, you don't build this stuff unless you have... So I will shift that a little bit. I'm not sure about his perspective in Monte Verde, but I think it shouldn't be quoted on this. But what's happening on the coast is less agriculture, but more fishing. But there's a stable culture, a stable civilization, that it's not this hunter-gatherer thing happening anymore. And I believe that's what Dillehay has been speaking to for decades, you know? No, for sure. I mean, you've got Corral here as well. And technically, Corral is supposed to be the oldest pyramids in the world. But just by this brief conversation we've been having, we've seen examples that could be much older. I think so. So that really intrigues me. And in your slides, in your clips, you had some other pyramid structures. Should we just have a little browse through these? Well, what I can show you here is... This is a legit discovery. So this here is... Peru has a wonderful website for anybody who wants to go out there and look at the thousands of archaeological sites. It's sigda.pe, and you'll just see all the little dots. So I verified on that, and through Google Maps, of course, there wasn't any place marker or label. It wasn't on their database. So this is a legitimate... My first pyramid discovery. And I have the footage of it. I'm tearing up on my way back from this site. And the reason it is a pyramid and why I think it belongs to that Corral Supe culture is you can see the sunken circular plaza there. And that was a staple of the Corral Supe. And this is only a few valleys away. You know, it's further into the valley, closer to the Andes. The locals knew of it. And a lot of times throughout my expedition, I would find that, you know, these sites might have a Ministry of Culture sign, which means in the 1950s, the archaeologists were like, okay, let's write this one down. This one didn't have any of that. This one had no survey markers. No archaeologist had been there. The locals pointed it out to me. And so this is... It's all... I don't know what happened here. Like, this is... It's all in shambles, clearly. This is the base of it. And there was a city nearby it. So they also verified that this was architecture. But beyond that, when you actually go on top of it... So you're showing us this clip. This is actually from... You actually climbed it. This is on top. This is on top of it. Yeah. So what have we got? So you can see, this is where looters started to dig out. And you can see the clear, layered stonework. And this is Corral Supe stonework with mortar in between the bricks. Bricks are a little bit larger, but... So that's what I was... And then I found a bunch of pottery sherds. And so... Which... When you're... The Corral Supe culture was a pre-ceramic civilization. But what often happened is, you know, cultures would be inundated by these tsunamis or massive El Ninos or other cataclysmic events, and they would move further inland up into the coast. And then a couple hundred thousand years would go by, and then they would move back and kind of repopulate these sites. So you see different amounts of different pottery, like in the evolution of the people coming back there. I found one piece of... One major piece of pottery here. But this is like construction. This is like... This is 100% construction. So this is stone. So this pyramid is more like constructed rather than carved from bedrock. Oh, 100%. Yeah. This was stone. Stone block built. There's another video I have of that. This is absolutely fascinating. I mean, the megalithomaniacs are going to love this, because this is like getting out there, proper exploring, doing the research. So this is it again, yeah? This is it again. Oh yeah, this is another part of it. Oh yeah, look at that. Yeah, you can almost see the pottery down there. Have you found like kind of like arrowheads, like kind of any obsidian or any kind of pieces of tools or weapons or anything like that? Because that often helps date it. I've seen text... Actually, somebody on the channel pointed out I was finding these rope bands with these little holes in them. And I wasn't... I thought it might have been a headband. But an academic pointed out and other people kind of backed it up that it was an old stone throwing tool, like a slingshot almost. Yeah, exactly. So I found a couple of those. As far as obsidian tools, not that I've come across. Again, I went to 90 sites in 23 days. I was kind of like keeping it moving. And what I've learned from that, though, is a lot of these sites need further study. And so here is... We spoke about... Yeah, there's a lot to think about. I mean, and you're going to be heading back there as well. So you're going to continue this. Now this, yeah, this is almost like... This is... Polygonal walls, isn't it? Look at that. My God, where's this then? So this is on the coast. Okay. I mean, it's a couple hours inland, but... But there are some coastal sites that Brian Forrester pointed out to me that there's like polygonal walls along the coast, like literally part of the cliff. So would this be the same thing? This is much further north than Forrester's area of expertise, but it does speak to some sort of cultural civilization that's spanned this far. It is very... I like to have at least two pieces of evidence before I start making... I want to leave room that this could be geolot. I don't think it is, but I want to leave room before I start kind of postulating. I mean, that just looks too flat. It looks too flat. The fact that this curves... Yeah, that looks too flat. I mean, look at that. You've got a little platform beneath it. That doesn't look like it's natural. I don't think so. My only hesitation is that this is the only... This is a massive site, and I only had a few hours to explore a certain part. When I say massive site, this was a city that spanned over half of a mile, the structures. But this was the one place I had the chance to explore that had this. I'd like to go back and find... Just give me one other place that has this type of construction. A few more examples just to kind of back this up, yeah. But, I mean, this is the same... When you go up to Cusco and things like that, you'll see that earthquakes have kind of pulled the pieces apart, but you can see how eroded this looks. This has been here for longer than that, in my opinion. So this is part of a kind of pyramid or just a complex, like a city almost? This city, there were platform pyramids, there were housing structures, there were administrative centers. This was part of a major complex. This particular site spanned for, I guess, a half mile or so, and we're talking administrative centers, housing, probably workshops. And I'm saying that based on what is found in most complexes of that size. This was part of what appeared to be some sort of outer wall. And very often, I did find a lot of sites that had stones like this at the bottom, with other stones on top, kind of what you find in Cusco. So my best assumption there is that different cultural evolutions of the civilizations that were inhabiting those regions. No, for sure, for sure. So you visited 90 sites, you said? Oh my God. I mean, how many of your videos of those have you put out so far? I put a lot... I'm running to the end. I still have... And this is part of the goal too, because I knew I was going to try to build this channel. And I wanted... Part of the other reason is to... With the desecration that's happening, with the complete destruction that's happening, to catalog as many things as possible, which is why I didn't have as much time to have explored each individual site. That will change in the next expedition. So I'm still working on... I still have new material from a year ago. Yeah. It's coming to a close, but there is still new material. And of those 90 sites, there were a handful that weren't on the government radar. And they said there's a... I don't want to speak too badly about the government, because I want to keep a friendly relationship. But I mean, you can go on Pillars of the Past 101 and read the comments from Peruvians themselves. And how hurt they feel witnessing what's happening. And that is the destruction of these archaeological sites. Their importance falls under the monetary value that can be found by doing mining or doing agriculture. And recently, Peru has... I will say this, because it's been in the news. They're supposed to cut down the Nazca lines by 41% in order to okay mining. This was legislation that just happened. This is for real? It's for real. Yeah. What the hell? It was this year. And so they're going to just bulldoze them out? They're going to allow miners. They're not going to punish miners. What? Yeah. How is that real? That was in the news. They probably said, oh, well, we've got enough of them now. I mean, a few go missing. Who cares? But then what happens if there's not? And this is my big thing. What happens if there aren't scans of those? And we end up finding they do have alignments. And all of a sudden you've removed this one that aligned to that one and that one. You don't have a full picture anymore. And that's what bugs me. That's concerning. I mean, generally, I mean, all around the world, there's issues like this. I know Mike Collins, Wandering Wolf, have been focused on that. The desecration of sites, the kind of tourism kind of overload. It's kind of like destroying them. And that is a real issue all around the world. But one of the other things I want to just ask you, I don't know if you've got footage or found anything, because one of the other speakers here or two speakers here were Armando May and Filippo Biondi. They were doing the underground research on the Giza Plateau with the SAR scan technology. Have you come across any evidence of underground areas in any of the 90 sites you looked at? There were. I wouldn't be surprised, especially knowing that I had that one picture from that survey of chambers inside one of these pyramid structures. It would not shock me that there were underground caverns of some sort there. I didn't really find it. I did find a bunch of caves up in the mountain, but these were. So when you say underground, I'm not saying underground level, but there were definitely caves in mountains that led to different things. You said chambers, though. There was a chamber in one of the it was and it was. One of the pyramids we looked at. Wow. Did you get inside it or was it just kind of being opened up? That was from 1970. And so by the time I got there, 50 years later, it had been recovered again and I couldn't pinpoint exactly where it was. But it's in the initial 1970 black and white. It could still be there, man. It's 100% still there. It just got covered up. I was on the pyramid where they found it. I mean, that is like the tip of the iceberg. I mean, because the amount, I mean. And it's carved. Yeah. I mean, there could be a lot of stuff that's just been filled in with sand and debris. 100%. Oh, my goodness. So you've got quite a lot going on here. And so when you go back, you're going to do a second major expedition. Are you going to be looking at some of the same sites or have you found a whole load of other sites to look at? There is not a lack of sites to go look at. There's not a lack of new sites to go look at. There are a couple that, like I said, I've kind of I've learned some valuable lessons from the last expedition, things I would rather, things to better film, document and capture. So there are a handful that I need to circle back to in order to document them better. But I also I'm on a mission to kind of capture as many as possible and put them on the map for all of us. And so there it's a lot of driving, a lot of gas, a lot of tolls, a lot of hiking. And that's the other thing. I'm going to sites that nobody goes to because they're hard to get to, you know, and but that's part of the reason there's no documentation of them. Nowadays with drones, it's amazing. I mean, I had to scale these mountains. But before I did, I put the drone up there to make sure I learned the hard way I did that started at scale. One mountain didn't find anything and it didn't make sense to me. But then I put the drone up, it was over the next mountain, you know. Yeah, yeah. So another two mountains in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, that was that was a rough day. So is there anything else here? Any few clips you want to show us? Yeah. Show the megalithomaniacs before we kind of start wrapping up. I definitely brought up that skull one. Yeah. Yeah. I want to look at that. I mean, this is this is amazing, isn't it? Just the fact you can go out in the kind of desert areas and just skulls literally just popping out the surface like this. I mean, that is elongated. One hundred percent. That is proper cranial deformation. So this is like, you know, thousands of these are now being found. Obviously, we've got Brian Forrester, David Hatch Childress, they both wrote a kind of brilliant book about the elongated skull phenomenon. There's so many in Paracas now, Ica, Nazca, the whole region, even in Cusco as well. I've seen them even at Tiwanaku and Pumapunku. There were some literally in the restaurant there and one of them got stolen. From the restaurant? A few years after I first photographed it and I couldn't quite, I was like, what? So people are stealing skulls. They must be selling them on the black market. But this one, you just you kind of found it when you were kind of on your travels. Yeah. So, you know, I don't like to I'm not bringing a shovel anywhere. I don't like to my whole, you know, tagline is document not desecrate or document not disturb. This initially I thought was pottery. It was and so it's all brush it off. And then I thought it was a bigger piece of pottery. And then all of a sudden I'm hitting eye sockets and I'm getting freaked out. You know, that was not what I expected. And so when you see something like this, it's what I believe my responsibility is, is my role was to create a 3D image of it to document what's there and then kind of cover it back up. Yeah, that's the way to do it. Create a pinpoint. You know, I actually reached out to Brian and I sent him a picture. I asked for his suggestion on, you know, should I take it to a museum or something like that? I don't want to get in trouble with authorities or anything like that. He said, to be honest with you, Raul, they have so many of these things already there. Nobody's going to really be interested. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah. I mean, there's so many, so many in their kind of basements and everything else. So that's quite intriguing. I mean, do you know if in Paracas, the museum there is got still many of the skulls from last I heard? I think they do have that room with all of them on there or in there. I've not been back there for some time, but we are heading back later this year. So I want to make sure we can see a few of the skulls for sure. You know, I ran into very friendly locals and, you know, there was a site I went to. The locals were very friendly to me once. You know, a lot of times some of these places I had to go through somebody's farm or something to get there and people would walk me right to the site and tell me what they know. And this guy's wife, as I was leaving the site, she came out with this pottery. They live on what was Inca walls. And so they're finding pottery all the time. And she was like, you know, showed me what she had found. And so they're finding things all the time still. There's so much out there to be documented and studied. And yeah, I'm glad you're doing it, to be honest with you, because the way you've been operating and what I've seen from your work is a nice way of doing it. You've got a passion for it. You're focused on it. You haven't got an agenda with it. You're not trying to create a whole kind of theory or anything. You're just going, wow, look at this. Why isn't this being documented before? Check this out. And you're making discoveries. That's the best bit. I mean, that is mind-blowing. I mean, so respect to you for that. That's very, very cool. And in your talk, you mentioned you were setting up like a database, like a Google Map database. So can you maybe, we're going to have a look at that, how people can help with funding your research and expeditions and your website and everything else. Thank you for asking about that. Yeah, this is new and in the works. And in about a full month, it'll be up. There's on PillarsOfThePast.com, the wait list is now available. But what this aims to be is a very community-driven database, where if you found something on the map that you think is something, then create a pinpoint on it. Maybe it'll have your initials or we'll see about creating little icons if people want them. But put it on the map for everybody to see. And then perhaps I do that and you've been to that place. You just happen to have photos of it. Then you go on the map and you attach your photos and it has your initials on it. You attach your photos and videos. Or if there's a researcher who found some documentation on the site in obscure academic journal, pin it to that site. And so we're going to create this database. And then if you want feedback on some of those, then there's a whole community-driven section where there's going to be topics that people can discuss. Beyond that, we're trying to leverage AI technology to, as you're mapping out locations on the map, to have this kind of artificial intelligence layer that tells you what the proximity is to a water source of a particular site, or what's the proximity to this location, or does this align somehow with some sort of celestial alignments or another site. So we're trying to do that and that'll be ready in a month. And the best way to follow me is Pillars of the Past 101 on YouTube and Pillars of the Past on Instagram. And Pillars of the Past, this is field of dreams right here. This was my dream and I had a point in my contract work where I was able to take some time off and I truly invested my life savings in this. And because I believe in it and I believe it has importance and just from a heart space, I know that other people feel the same way. And so if you want to help support the mission, there's a GoFundMe set up trying to raise funds for the next expedition. And I'm all over the social medias. No, for sure, man. I really appreciate it. I think I didn't realize you got on 90 sites. That really kind of blew my mind. And I think people are going to check this out. The Megalithomaniacs are all going to check this out. They're going to kind of give you probably a bit of support with it all. And we'll have to have you at some point, we're going to meet you in Peru, hopefully. That'd be a good plan because there's a few sites up north of Lima I want to be looking at as well. And so I'm quite intrigued by that, the fact that you're out there doing it and actually kind of making actual discoveries. It's like, what the hell? This is like a breakthrough stuff. So I really appreciate you Ty Rowell. It's excellent to speak to you and check out his links, everybody. And we'll see you later, Megalithomaniacs.