Kourtney joins Khloé for a real, funny, and heartfelt conversation about life with seven kids, becoming a stepmom, and creating a home that feels peaceful, playful, and full of love. They also reflect on their parenting differences and why Kourtney left the group chat (again).
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That is a very intense cup.
Size or crystals?
All of it.
Thank you.
Some days I've thought, like, wow,
this is really hard blending families.
But even in the days where it's hard,
there's so much more love.
It's such a deeper, richer existence, you know?
I think living authentically is not conforming.
I will, like, nurse the fever of my kids
versus giving Tylenol or Ibuprofen.
Like, I love to just go against the grain.
So I don't do Botox.
Courtney.
Oh, well, I was gonna say,
I feel like my third eye is open.
Courtney, do you see the judging eyes now?
Yeah.
Okay, they're here.
She just has to remember how much she loves me.
Sometimes I think she forgets.
Just gotta stop sending the love texts messages.
I'm gonna send her a novel after this.
No one's home and it's Travis and I and the baby.
And what do you prefer?
Do you love a house of chaos
and fingerprints everywhere and messes?
Or do you love a house of,
or maybe you like both.
You need the exhale moment, which is.
I mean, the balance is nice.
But I think him and I love when everyone's home.
We had family dinner last night.
We have family dinner every Sunday
and there were four of them at dinner.
I remember I first,
when we first would do family dinners,
I would try to be like, okay, who are you bringing?
And so we can set the table
and make sure we have the table set
for the right amount of people.
Oh, now it's more open door policy.
And then it's just like that Travis would say,
but we don't have to know.
Just let it flow.
You, you would be like, I need their name.
I need, I'm making a name tag.
Their address, their social security number.
Yeah, and I'm like, so now we set the table
for the whole amount, which I think is 12.
Like the amount of the table.
Or 10, yeah, that sits at the table.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Yeah, it's 12.
We set the table for 12 and whoever comes, comes.
There's been times when it's been me, Travis, and Rocky.
Just you three?
Just us and the table's set for everyone
and no one else can make it.
But it's usually everyone and some friends.
But I remember just thinking,
can't we do things that are just the family,
like family trips or any of those.
And there's usually-
But remember you as a teenager,
you loved having a plus one.
But I remember we would also do things
like when we would go to Vail for Thanksgiving
and go skiing, we weren't allowed to bring friends.
No.
And when we would go to-
But I don't think we could afford to bring friends.
Probably.
And also people would do things
with their own families for Thanksgiving.
Or when we went to Hawaii,
we weren't allowed to bring friends.
It's a nice idea, but I've grown a lot
in the way of just being able to be like,
it doesn't matter.
Whoever comes to dinner, it's gonna be-
It's like I let go of a lot of the need to almost plan
or maybe it's even have control.
I don't know what it is,
but I've let go of that a lot to just be like,
the table's set, whoever comes, you know, comes.
And for trips too, I'll be like, everyone's invited.
No, how you handle a trip is insane to me.
You handle it like me?
No.
You're gonna pick out who's in what room
and what's gonna-
And you are so carefree about it.
And I love that.
I wish I could be more like that.
But I've grown to be that way through the experience
because if I held onto it
or let things like that bother me, which I used to,
I'd used to be like, when it was family dinner,
well, why can't you tell me who's coming?
I don't get it.
I would ask Travis, can you tell me who's coming
of the kids and I'll see who's coming
with the younger kids or whatever.
And then I just was able to let it go.
When I was a step-mom, it was challenging for me
and I didn't have little babies.
It was just me.
I feel like, and maybe because you guys
have had so much history, you and Travis,
of being friends prior to your marriage,
I feel like you've done a pretty good job
of being now the step-mom.
Well, I love my role as step-mom
because I don't feel like it's up to me to discipline.
And so we've kind of allowed each other to,
we'll talk about it.
And then he can handle the harder things.
I definitely give advice
or try to be a good, I guess, role model
or even just how they say modeling is the best way
to kind of teach your kids
more than just saying certain things.
So I feel just hopefully being a positive influence
or an example and we have lots of good conversations
and we laugh and I feel like it's in the best way
I can be there to be supportive
or really in any way that they want me to be
for as much or as little as they want.
And so I do think also having the relationship
that we've had for so many years,
I was friends with Travis and the kids
for longer than we've been together.
So I think having that history definitely helped.
And I used to think too, going into it,
we have such a good foundation
that it would just be seamless.
But some days I've thought,
wow, this is really hard blending families.
And-
I think regardless of how much history you have
when you are friends with someone
and then as soon as you get in a relationship with someone,
regardless of how great you are,
I think kids feel like they also have to still know,
like, where's my role?
Let me test boundaries.
And I think that's very normal.
But for you, you're probably like,
wait, I thought we were good.
And you are, but it's just them testing.
Yeah, also I think it was hard for all,
but we moved out of our house
that we had lived in for the kids' whole lives
and then moved in there and then sharing space,
which we did slowly.
We stayed-
That is hard.
I think a year and a half separately,
but married, but living a block away from each other.
So I think that was really a helpful transition.
I think if you're married or if you're getting married
and if you did it before your marriage or after,
doing that slow transition of that,
I thought was really smart.
You guys did it once you were married.
But when you have kids,
I think that's a really smart way to do it.
But even once you're then living together,
there's things you don't even think about,
like moving things in the pantry or, I don't know,
just little things that you don't think about.
And again, that's where I've had growth
because I would think, okay, take a deep breath.
It's okay if the fridge is a mess
because there's some days 25 people going in there
and looking for something or grabbing something.
Now I've gotten it to such a good place.
But I remember just-
Well, think about, you've always had younger kids.
Mason is now 15.
But you then took on a family with young adults.
So you sort of missed you evolving into that.
You know what I mean?
You're just thrown into like in the young adult stage
is a hard stage.
So now they're young adults who I'm sure wanna socialize,
have friends over and you're probably like, wait, what?
I'm used to Rain is what, 10?
You're used to young people
and now you have Rocky who's one.
So everyone is in such different phases.
But even in the days where it's hard,
there's so much more love.
There's so much, it's such a deeper, richer existence.
When we first got married,
they said it takes four years
to get on the same boat together as a family,
as a blended family.
And what year are you in?
I got married in May.
So my anniversary is coming up and it'll be three years.
So it said it really truly takes four years
to feel like you're all on the same boat
and you're truly a family and like doing this together.
We're like-
We're almost there.
Right, one year left.
You're almost there.
But I remember at the times when it didn't feel that way
or it feels like it's like your squad versus my squad
or we do things this way and you do things this way
or whatever it could be.
Well, think about how hard it is.
I don't know if you remember before kids,
just living with another person,
just two adults integrating their lives together,
blending, learning how to share a bed.
Like it could be the share the TV.
Like I dread the newness of that.
I'm like, I don't want you touching my ******* remote.
This is my bedtime.
Think about that.
Now you're blending tiny people with big emotions.
That's crazy.
I think doing it each our own way for so long
and then coming together and being like,
okay, now what's our way?
How do we do it?
Because I'll be like, but this is how I do it.
But also how do you do it as a couple?
Right, what's our new way now?
What's the way?
So I think it's like finding your way and then-
Do you have tips for people that are blending families?
I'll always think of it like this.
What is my, what am I supposed to learn from this
and grow from this?
Say it's one specific thing.
I'll be like, okay, how do I learn and grow from this moment?
Or we're two people with two brains
that have different opinions sometimes.
So how do you each express your side and be heard?
How is it good enough for everybody kind of thing?
If I laugh about something and don't take it so seriously,
it's kind of like a choice.
But it really irks the **** out of a lot of people.
Sometimes if you're like,
because you will laugh in someone's face
and just be like, ha!
Well, no, I don't mean like laugh at them.
That is just uncomfortableness of just like laughing
because I don't know what else to do.
But this is like having a choice to be like,
oh, it's not that big of a deal.
And just kind of like, not like laugh it off
if it means something to you.
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Yeah, don't sweat the small stuff.
But also, I mean, have a sense of humor.
I don't want to give specific examples,
but if a teenager did something
that's like what teenagers do.
And instead of being like,
I'm not the role that has to make it a big deal.
So I feel like I could just be like, oh my gosh,
that was, I think to myself,
that was actually kind of funny and smart.
And whatever.
I do like that you said,
you know your role is not to be the disciplinary
with the older kids.
And knowing that, I think something that Bruce did so well
with us or I could speak for myself
is Bruce never tried to be dad.
And I always appreciated and respected that.
Okay, so that wasn't my experience,
but maybe that's why it became your experience.
Thank you.
So grateful for that for you.
Really?
Yeah.
I think that's why.
Tried to be dad for you?
Well, not dad, but tried to be controlling and bossy
and would tell me certain friends can't come over
and would like.
But also maybe that experience molded you
into being the step-parent that you are today.
Whether it be things you don't, didn't like from Bruce
or things you did like.
Or I think about too with Denise,
Denise was our dad's fiance for five years.
We love her.
We still love her.
And I love her.
And I still have a relationship with her.
And I think about what an amazing example she was
to all of us.
She taught us so much about being young ladies
at the time.
She put me in Cotillion.
Do you know what Cotillion is?
Loved Cotillion.
She didn't do that for me, but.
Oh, you were just born a lady.
With knowing table manners or whatever it is.
It is.
Oh my God.
Does that mean I was a beast?
No, I wish that I did that, but maybe I was just older.
So maybe she was able to teach us.
You're right.
You know.
That means I was a savage at the table.
You could have been.
I could have been.
You were a wild kid.
I could see myself.
So yeah, I think having that really positive experience
with Denise really helped me too.
And I think almost being.
You didn't connect with Bruce.
Well, yeah.
I just thought you didn't like him
because he was replacing dad.
Not that he did.
Yeah.
No one could replace dad,
but that's just why I thought you didn't like him.
So weird that you had such a different experience.
I think it's because you were younger.
I had such a different experience,
but maybe mama to talk with him.
Maybe your retraction.
Rejection.
Taught him something.
So maybe it was a lesson for everyone.
Oh yeah.
I'd be like, I want to call my dad.
And then he would like hang up the phone.
We would have yelling wars.
Yeah.
That is not my experience at all.
That's crazy.
See, you can live in the same house
being raised by the same parents.
Not even know.
Not even know and have totally different experiences.
Well, I'm sorry you went through that.
Thank you.
It was fine.
That's why I moved into dad's.
I had no clue.
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And how do you like being a mom about nine years later?
I was like, being a mom?
No, I mean, just starting over nine years later,
that's crazy.
So I felt like becoming a mom again really ignited,
like intensely ignited, my motherly role,
my motherly instinct, and I feel like my feminine energy.
Remember I would always send you videos?
Yes, I've gotten many videos about this.
About feminine energy,
and I feel like it intensely ignited that feeling inside me
of just, I am a mom.
I had a strong desire to not work and stay home
and be with the kids, which is, I would say,
probably like once a week I'll work.
Does today count?
This is today.
Okay, yes, thank you.
And it's not like the whole day.
It's, you know. Two hours.
Yeah, it's like a couple hours of my day,
and then the rest of the time I'm truly at home
and I'm, you know, being a mom.
Is there anything that you either forgot about,
like, oh, wow, I forgot about this stage,
or is there just,
because Rocky came nine years after Rain,
or is there something you're like,
wow, I'm gonna do this so differently
because I either learned I don't need that
or just you're in a different phase in your life?
Maybe the stuff.
I would wanna have the best lotion
or the best oil or whatever,
and now I just use organic coconut oil, you know?
I keep it pretty simple.
Even, I think, for me, your first kid,
you overdo everything, and then your second,
you're like, we don't need half this crap.
I mean, obviously there's marketing tactics,
and I get why we are conditioned
that we need to buy all this stuff,
and a new mom, you're nervous and scared,
and so you're like, I need everything.
I had things before,
but I remember when mom would try to stress me out
about the room or be like, it's not even painted,
and that's when I said people had babies in caves.
It just gave me peace to know it's okay,
whatever it is, as long as I have a boob and, you know.
You have two of those.
Whatever, and one thing I guess we did differently,
I did differently this time,
is I've always shared a bed with the other kids,
but I share a room.
We share a room with Rocky.
But eventually, do you think he'll have his own room?
Yes, of course, and I think it started more
from just space in the house, you know?
But this style of parenting
is called attachment-style parenting, right?
And what is that exactly?
I think it's really not separating for,
as much as possible, in the first, definitely, three years.
It really helps, I think,
nurture their attachment, secure attachment.
And it's actually, it's just, even without knowing that,
I remember I read the attachment parenting book
before Penelope, but it's kind of just what my instincts,
like I lean towards, and it's like what they tell me to do,
I feel like, just my motherly instincts.
I love that.
Mother knows best.
No, oh my gosh, Andresa sings me that song all the time.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, I wanna look at questions now.
What questions would you like?
I thought one of them that was interesting
was like, how do we do things differently?
Yes, as a family?
As like mother, like as the mother role,
and I feel like I was thinking about it,
because first I'm like, I don't know what Chloe does.
I have no idea, and then I started thinking.
Wait, let me ask you.
Oh, I was just gonna say that you are very scheduled.
Uh-huh, I am.
And very scheduled and planned out throughout the whole day,
like activities, you know, outfits, all the things,
bedtimes, food.
You don't have a bedtime for your kids?
Well, we have a general time,
but we're not, definitely as babies, we had no schedule.
Rocky doesn't really have a schedule,
but he has a general thing.
But if it's like some days, like today,
we got up at seven, made breakfast for the kids,
and they got out the door,
and then I noticed he was so tired at around 8.30,
and so we nursed in bed and he went to sleep.
Well, let me also say, if my kids are tired,
I'm like, they could go to sleep.
Yeah, no, I'm not saying.
I'm not like, you better stay awake and tell.
No, I could just tell, but so then today,
I have no idea what nap time would be.
And like, it's okay, we're just kind of go with the flow.
And also with the attachment style parenting,
I hold him for his naps.
The whole time?
The whole time.
Wow.
On-
That's crazy to me.
I think Saturday.
He's also not a light baby.
He's a-
Yeah, he's like 23 pounds.
You're holding a 23 pound baby for two hours?
Three hours sometimes.
Three hours?
Once he took a nap for like five hours and-
Holy ----, in a swing or just-
No, like I'll sit in our little chair usually in the room.
And then-
That's great.
I still have my little breastfeeding pillow.
And then he'll kind of lay on there, but my arms under.
And then I have a little radiation blanket that I put over
to like protect from EMFs for phone use or-
Don't you have that thing that you made me buy?
And I have that little sticker on my phone too.
I wonder if we have to replace that sticker.
I was curious.
I don't think so.
How do you think we differ as moms?
Well, I think-
Mimi, Kim, Kylie.
I think even just how I'll do like extended breastfeeding,
co-sleeping.
But not everyone can breastfeed.
So some of it's a choice.
No, but I'm just saying, yeah.
Some of it isn't possible.
No, but it's also-
I.e. me.
What, it wasn't possible?
I couldn't breastfeed.
I've tried.
I did.
I had a person come to Cleveland and I don't know-
Try to-
What they're called.
Like a lactation consultant.
Yes, and they came for over a week, tried.
I did the tea and the cookies and these sweet potato things.
I think you were stressed out too.
I was just a tad.
I read something recently that said,
if you do things the opposite of how you were raised
in certain things, like in certain areas,
that you're healing yourself.
You're healing that wound of things
that you didn't get that you needed.
Do you think you remember breastfeeding?
Oh, I wasn't breastfed.
I'm saying-
Oh, as a child?
Yes, like, well, yeah.
Are you like-
Like are my kids gonna remember that?
I'm assuming you're saying now you breastfeed
because you weren't breastfed or something.
Right.
So, but do you, you wouldn't know,
known you weren't breastfed if mom didn't tell you.
But I think it's-
Subconsciously?
Subconscious.
It's like an instinct inside of me
that's like, I didn't, with Mason,
I breastfed for like 14 months.
I wasn't thinking like, whoa, I wasn't breastfed,
so I'm gonna breastfeed this long.
It's just, I think like-
No, yeah, I think do what makes you happy.
I think it's a feeling inside of just like,
or just an instinct or intuition.
That was the first time I read that,
was recently, of that sentiment.
And I just thought it was interesting.
So it's healing your lack of breastfeeding.
I think it's that connection or like co-sleeping
or like that I don't leave for extended periods of time.
And things like that.
What are your issues with mom?
Let's talk about that.
No, I don't have issues.
I feel like subliminally.
Well, no, I don't have issues now.
Now I feel like I can ask her questions.
I even went to visit MJ recently
and just out of curiosity,
cause I feel like it's good for us to know
our just even family,
how our family did things before us,
just more from a curiosity standpoint.
I was asking MJ, like, how did you do things?
Did you breastfeed?
Did you have help?
Did you, she said she breastfed,
forgot how long she told me.
And then I asked, but I need, I recorded it actually.
Nice.
But then I asked her like, did you co-sleep?
Where did the kids sleep?
Did they sleep in their own room by themselves?
No, it was.
Like kids back in those days were not seen, not heard.
That was like the expression.
No playrooms, no toys were in the main part of the house.
Like kids weren't hiding.
I'm not asking to judge.
I'm just asking to know.
Yeah, no, but I'm just telling you,
it was also, you have to have like the context of the era.
So if she says no.
And then I was asking mom too,
when we went to lunch the other day
and I was asking her like, what did they do?
Did you have a monitor?
Did, was cry it out like a thing?
They had sound only.
Sound only.
Yeah, she said that she had a sound only monitor.
And I said, was cry it out a thing at that time?
And she said, she would try, but she would always cave.
And I was thinking after how long
was I sitting there crying alone in a dark room?
Oh my God.
But I think I had resentment about certain things
even before I ever started therapy.
And then I think as maybe the first year or so
on my start of my therapy journey,
I would have certain resentful feelings,
which already existed.
It was just kind of like working through them.
And then I think finally getting to the place
of either if there's actions that happen
that I don't love or agree with
just to not take them personally,
or even feel the need to correct them
or have a conversation about every little thing
with balance because I also just don't wanna keep it in for,
and it keeps happening and then I explode or something.
I think it's good to thoughtfully say something
if it makes you feel a certain way.
But yeah, to now just being able to be curious
about how things were done, but not really judgmental
because we're all just on a different journey, path.
I love that.
It's interesting though, I always hear the thing too,
how kids could grow up with the same parents
and the same household, but they're so different,
but it's because they get a different version of you
because you're at a different place in your life.
You know more, you're just a different person.
But I think I love our traditions
that we've always been. Love our traditions.
And I love how over the top I do
because I love like any holiday,
I'm like, I lean in with the napkins
or the cookies or whatever.
But I learned that from mom.
Growing up with mom in the 80s.
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I get asked about you all the time
in regards to your IVF journey.
And I'm like, but she didn't do one.
Oh, like people think that that's how I got pregnant.
Yes, and so I know you talked about,
yes, you tried IVF and it didn't work for you,
but how Rocky was conceived was that he wasn't through IVF.
And no shame to IVF.
I have an IVF baby.
Love IVF.
It's a great thing.
But I do think that,
and I don't know if you care to talk about it,
but people always, to me, when they say it to me,
like, well, who's, what doctor did she use?
And how long was she doing IVF before that?
And I'm like, I think to my knowledge,
Rocky was just naturally conceived.
Yeah, a year after stopping IVF.
Oh, a year after.
And he conceived naturally on Valentine's Day.
We conceived naturally on Valentine's Day, but.
I still can't believe you went into labor Halloween,
but he was born.
The girl. November 1st.
Dream and True were telling me the story.
Dream knows like every specific.
Oh my gosh.
She knew the time of when he was born.
Yeah, she was like, it was 1201.
She almost had a Halloween baby.
12 midnight on the dot.
Oh, well, that's not nice.
Well, what. That's crazy.
Because Courtney is the biggest Halloween fan.
That's why.
No, I love that he.
Obviously.
Wanted his birthday to be November 1st.
But I, my lesson from IVF was that it really was,
felt like it was going against me,
against physically, spiritually, mentally,
everything that I believed and felt.
It just felt like it was going against what my body wanted.
And so we, it didn't work for me at all.
We never made an embryo through IVF.
It also felt like a monthly negative,
almost like rejection every time it would be like,
it didn't work or, you know,
this isn't happening and your body's doing this.
It was like someone negatively talking about my body to me
every month after month.
And then you almost start to feel that way about your body.
Like I can't do this.
Or, you know, whatever.
So once I let go of all of that,
it's almost like certain fear-based doctors
that kind of are like,
haha, you need to do this.
Cause I don't know.
That's kind of what was happening.
So once I was able to let go of all that
and just trust in God, it happened.
Why don't you talk about your faith
and how much faith plays a part in your life?
I feel like people are always surprised.
They'll be like, what?
You witches like, you know, believe in God.
When I talk about that, I read the Bible every day.
People are like, you do?
I read like, I have like a daily devotional that I read.
I've been trying to ask some of our friends out
that live near us to do a Bible study,
which I think would be amazing for the adults.
I would love it.
I told you that I want to do it with you.
I'm going to try that new church,
not this weekend cause it's Mother's Day,
but the next weekend.
Do you and Travis have the same,
like, do you guys pray together?
Is he faith-based?
Is he on his own journey?
I feel like we both are.
And I feel like we say prayers together
when we're like, you know, when there's something coming up.
I mean, I say the kids prayers every night.
If there's something that they might be anxious about
at school or something, you know, we'll pray.
In those moments, pray before flights
or travel together as a family.
I think the more you talk to God,
the louder you'll start hearing him.
Cause at first you're like, well, okay,
like it's so awkward or weird or just foreign to you.
But then the more that you talk to him,
those answers do show up or innately you find the answer,
you figure it out and that's how he speaks to you.
Keep talking to him.
What do you think people misunderstand
about our relationship as sisters the most?
I don't know.
What do people think about our relationship?
From what I hear,
people have more of a misconception about you and Kim.
I think they think you and Kim like hate each other.
And I think you almost talk to Kim
more than you talk to me.
Cause whenever I'm with Kim,
you're always texting or calling and I'm like,
that bitch doesn't call me this much.
Really?
It's probably either about kids stuff.
I know P and North,
so you guys have the same stuff going on.
How do you decide what's actually worth
your energy these days?
So one thing that was surprising also
is being a mom of four or seven,
but yeah, mom of seven.
Obviously all my kids deserve my energy,
but just to being like, how do I prioritize here?
Because like I said,
I wanna be with the baby as much as I can,
but then if one of the other kids need me
and if it doesn't make sense to,
sometimes they need one-on-one attention.
And so I found sequencing,
like putting things in order of importance
has really helped me.
Yeah, sometimes we say yes so much,
but does it actually add value to our family
or is it more dividing and separating?
I don't know.
That's a good way to think of it
because even with activities,
like mom said to me the other day,
and I love challenging the things
that she will come to me with,
but she was like-
Lord, do I know.
She was like, you know,
Chloe's son does all these activities every single day,
blah, blah, blah,
like naming the whole thing I go.
I also don't like the comparing
because that always just makes you-
Well, also I said to her,
I said, you know, it's also,
and this is not for your son
because he's three,
but when the kids get older,
I said it's not great to like fill-
Overschedule.
Right, overschedule or fill too much of their time
with scheduling because they also need time to just relax.
I agree.
With True, I pulled back some for activities.
I don't like overscheduling.
Yeah, I was trying to figure out
how to balance with all the kids
and I felt this need to drive them to school in the mornings
and then I started talking about it and thinking about it
and then I was like, is it important to you guys?
Like I said today, for example,
would you rather me drive you to school in the morning
or go to your game?
And it was go to the game.
So then I was like, it's okay.
Then I can spend the morning with, you know,
Travis and Rocky and then I can go to the game
this afternoon and then I can, you know, figure out,
it's like each person getting their own time.
Yeah.
What is your favorite memory of you and I as a duo?
There's a lot.
I know, we have a lot.
Or what's something that stands out?
Doesn't have to be your favorite.
I mean, the days in Miami were fun.
So fun.
More fun than the days in the Hamptons, I would say.
Obviously.
Did you see Kylie was just in Miami?
I saw.
I was like, girl, she was like FaceTiming me from Miami
and she was having the best time.
Oh, you're gonna die when I show you this video
that she sent me.
But Miami is just such a good time.
And I was like, you have no idea.
Court and I, we ran that city.
It was amazing.
Yeah.
In a hot summer when no one was in town.
It was, that's probably why we ran it.
What's your least favorite memory?
Just like the era where it felt like you and Kim
were like the tables turned and you and I would gang up on,
you and I would gang up on Kim.
Okay.
For so long.
And then it felt like the tables turned.
So you didn't like both eras?
Or you didn't like when Kim and I would gang up on you?
No, I liked when we ganged up on Kim.
That was fun.
But then later once you and Kim would gang up on me
and I was the sensitive one.
I think it was once I started therapy.
And then once I would kind of started challenging
the ways that we did things sometimes,
like the way that we just all functioned.
No, I know that era and I hated it too.
And so I think that now it's just-
I still sometimes feel like we're in that era.
Well, I feel like I love to just go against the grain.
I think living-
But do you do that because you really care
or you just are determined to go against the grain?
I think living authentically is not conforming
to whatever it is.
And whether for me, it's like, there's so many ways.
There's ways like we function as a family
that it's like if someone does the same thing every day,
like I do it with everything.
It's not about our family.
Like, let's say the school system.
I'll think, why do kids ******* go to school?
Truly.
It's so dated.
Oh, I'm such a homeschool person.
So don't even get me going.
Yeah, so then I'll start thinking
and then like, my kids will send me videos
about like, why do kids go to school?
It'll be like really successful people.
And they'll be like, my kids never go to school
and they're never going to and whatever.
And then I'm like, okay, what's the goal here?
You wanna do homeschool?
Let's do it.
Or whatever it is.
I'll just, I think it's anything.
I will like nurse the fever of my kids
versus giving Tylenol or ibuprofen.
I just like want to do that.
And whatever it is, there's so many things like that
where I feel like I kind of do,
maybe in the world, generally maybe does more what I do,
but in the United States.
It's Kimberly.
Hi, I'm doing my podcast with.
Oh, you are?
I'm the first sister guest.
She showed up.
Wow, your makeup looks so pretty.
Kim's getting ready for the Met.
Oh, I forgot.
You look so.
Met Monday.
You look so pretty.
Thank you.
Oh, I see who's in the back.
I just wanted to say good luck today, guys,
on doing your podcast.
No, she didn't.
No, you didn't.
You didn't know she was doing it.
Yeah, my crew.
Oh, productions.
Oh.
You're so nice of them.
Well, good luck at the Met Ball.
Good luck at the Met.
Thank you.
We can't wait to see how everyone looks.
That's the fun.
What time are you going out?
Imagine being us and just being able to sit home
and think, watch everyone on the red carpet.
I can't wait.
Yeah, and imagine being us, being able to walk.
I'm gonna be home eating cloud popcorn in some pajamas.
In some.
Yes, I'll be eating it.
I'll be drinking 818.
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We do, and I'll be wearing my skims, makeup,
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And just take your Lemmy Purr for fun.
Yeah.
Don't forget that Lemmy Purr.
Oh, thank you, I love you.
Bye.
Bye, guys.
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Did you ever think like you were gonna dominate
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I kinda did.
Of course you did.
No, that's so you.
Of course you did.
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Let's do a lightning round.
Is there anything that really bothers you about me?
I'm here to listen.
I mean, sometimes.
Yes, let's go through the list.
Go through the list.
What bothers you about.
Oh, you're gonna talk about sending things?
No, sometimes you send a really long text message answers.
And I'm like, who has the time?
First of all.
If anyone here has you on text,
I'm sure they know what I'm talking about.
They all do.
You're very thorough in your response.
And it's not.
So God forbid I'm thorough.
Let me be vague.
No, it's not a bad quality.
But sometimes I'm like, dude, we get it.
If Kim will send something to the chat,
you'll be like, Kim, this is absolutely
the most fantastic thing I've ever seen.
And you know, whatever.
And I'm just like.
So keep it for the private chat.
No, I'm just like.
I want people to feel seen by me.
And for them to know.
And they do.
That I'm actually paying attention.
Unlike you, who won't respond for three weeks.
Yeah, I get it.
No, but go on.
What else?
I feel like this is good for you.
It's healthy.
Tell me what else.
I think that's honestly it.
Courtney, don't lie.
Tell me what else.
I think sometimes you'll just like look at me
with like just judging eyes.
Like you'll just be there like kind of judging,
like judging away.
It's not today's mood.
It's a certain mood.
Okay, I don't feel like.
Maybe I do.
I don't know.
No, it's just kind of like, oh, yeah.
I don't know.
It's just a little.
When I do it next, will you call it out?
I will.
So I can be aware.
I will.
Because I have a very expressive face.
But I don't mean to do that.
And you would think.
I've had a lot of Botox.
And it still just shines on through.
So I don't do Botox.
And I think.
It's sort of a joke, Courtney.
Oh, well, I was gonna say.
I get it.
We're all gonna die.
I feel like.
The poison.
My third eye is open.
And so I feel like my intuitions are very awake.
Courtney, do you see the judging eyes now?
Yeah.
Okay, they're here.
With no other facial expression.
Just the judging eyes, okay.
Maybe that's why they stand out so much.
Because of the facial Botox.
There's nothing else moving.
Just the eyes.
Oh my gosh, do I have big eyes?
Like deer and headlights?
No, you don't.
That's all about you.
Long text messages, judging eyes.
I'm sure there's more.
It's kind of what I said on the chat the other day.
I said, I will always push the envelope
or push a little against what you guys are.
Not always, if I feel it.
And then I'm just gonna give a little thing
to maybe sprinkle a little thinking dust.
Aren't you happy that I added you back to that chat?
Because if it weren't for me.
Well then I said, take me off if you have a problem.
Right, but nobody wanted you off.
Yeah.
I added you back.
So glad.
Because Courtney loves to leave a chat.
So glad.
And I said, oh, not that fast.
You're coming, you're staying here.
The chats are, especially when Rocky was even smaller,
the chats are overwhelming when I'm like trying to.
Kendall hasn't responded in two years.
I don't know if she's on it anymore.
She probably has us restricted.
She probably changed her number.
Well, Kylie hasn't responded in longer than that, so.
Courtney used to hold up picket signs.
She used to make picket signs around the house and protest.
Because we, mom made the same dinner every night
for like years.
And I was like, no more spaghetti.
I need something else.
Yes.
Do you understand why she probably
needs spaghetti every night now?
I guess, but, I mean, it's, I don't know.
And then I would say, I wonder if it was that same pasta.
You know, the pasta that she makes?
The pasta on peppers.
Or the pasta primavera.
Yeah, that's what it is, pasta on peppers.
Pasta primavera.
Yeah.
I was like, no more pasta primavera.
Rob and I love that.
Okay, Courtney.
I could talk to you all day.
This was great.
Good.
It was great for me too.