From Tech Leader to Health Advocate: Alix Mayer’s Unexpected Journey

Imagine waking up one day and realizing your body just isn't working the way it used to. Alex Meyer was 29 years old when she was leading a worldwide research group at Apple Computer, building a successful career until a routine set of travel vaccinations changed everything. So I went to travel medicine and I rolled up my sleeve. I got six vaccines, including the hepatitis B vaccine. Two weeks later, I was on the trip to Bali and my legs turned into noodles. They collapsed underneath me and I started weeping. And I'm not an emotionally labile person, so it was weird to have a sudden onset of an emotion like that. And then the next night, my father just reminded me last week that I actually fell asleep at dinner when we were in Bali. I have a 24-7 headache. I have 24-7 nausea. My joints hurt. Something is seriously wrong. Seven months later, the brain damage set in and I literally couldn't read anymore. I'm an MBA and I did not understand the Wall Street Journal that day. All this while doctors insisting nothing was wrong. The search for answers led to a much bigger challenge. One center of transparency, medical choice, and the right to ask tough questions. All we're ever told about vaccines is that they're safe and effective. Our agencies have refused to do the safety studies. And even more shocking than that is that they were required to do the safety studies and put forth vaccine safety guidelines. Today, Alex is here to share her journey with us and why this conversation matters more than ever. This is Bay Area Innovators and I'm your host, Stephen Spence. Alex, welcome to our program. Thank you so very much. It's really a pleasure to be here. Great to have you here. So I want to start with your career. And, you know, you were at Apple when you were age 29 and then you were leading a research group, a worldwide group, and you were doing really well with your career. And then something happened. You had to get some vaccinations for some travel. And then things went wrong. Please talk to us what happened and when did you know that something is going wrong with your body? Sure, Steve. That's a great place to start. When I was running the worldwide group for Apple when I was 29, my family called, my parents called, and they said, hey, do you want to go visit your sister in Hong Kong and then we can take a side trip to Bali? And so I said, sure, that sounds great. And so I thought what you needed to do next if you were going to Southeast Asia was go to travel medicine and get vaccines. So I went to travel medicine and I rolled up my sleeve. I got six vaccines, including the hepatitis B vaccine. And two weeks later, I was on the trip to Bali and my legs turned into noodles. They collapsed underneath me and I started weeping. And I'm not an emotionally labile person. So it was weird to have a sudden onset of an emotion like that. And then the next night, my father just reminded me last week that I actually fell asleep at dinner when we were in Bali. And he thought that was really weird for me to fall asleep at dinner on this vacation. And it was weird because what happened after that, it was the beginning of a huge downfall into what I call health hell. And I came back from that trip. I was sleeping 16 hours a day and I thought it was jet lag. And so I thought, oh, I just need a couple more days of sleep and I'll get over this jet lag. And then I thought I was having weeks of jet lag. And then when it went into months, I thought this can't be jet lag anymore. I feel like I've got the flu all the time. I have a 24-7 headache. I have 24-7 nausea. My joints hurt. Something is seriously wrong. And then about seven months after I got those vaccines, even though I was still going to work physically disabled, my brain was still working well enough to work a few hours a day. But seven months later, the brain damage set in and I literally couldn't read anymore. I'm an MBA and I did not understand the Wall Street Journal that day. And that was the day I followed the advice of my family and my medical doctor to take a medical leave of absence. And what happened after that? How did you, what was the connection you made with the vaccines? What happened after that was a very long journey to finding out it was the vaccines because all we're ever told about vaccines is that they're safe and effective. So you never look at vaccines as the culprit in your ill health. And I think a lot more people should do that, but I didn't know to do that. I thought they were safe and effective. Otherwise I wouldn't have rolled up my sleeve. So after that, I spent three years in my late twenties and early thirties, about 80% housebound. I was that sick. I really couldn't do very much. I could get to the doctor. I could get to the grocery store. I would go on walks, but that's about all I could do. And then I discovered the gluten-free diet and it made about half of my disabling symptoms go away, but I was still stuck with the other half of disabling symptoms. But the migraine that I'd had 24 seven for three years, suddenly stepped down to just be a headache, which was fine with me because the migraine is awful, but you can live with a headache. And I just took step after step out of that over a period of decades. Now it's 29 years later and I started out with 50 disabling or life-limiting health symptoms. I'm down to one. So I've solved 49 out of 50. So I can solve that one last disabling symptom, which is severe reactions to foods. Well, you know, a lot of awareness has been raised through Bobby Kennedy, who has been recently become a cabinet member in Trump's administration. You worked for him. Please tell us the work you did with him and what did you learn from him through these years? Yeah, that's a good question, Steve. I worked with Bobby Kennedy. I didn't really work for him, although you're never going to be higher up in the hierarchy than Bobby Kennedy in terms of vaccine safety or our health. So I was on his board in 2018 with Children's Health Defense. And then a couple of years later, he asked three women on the National Board of Children's Health Defense to start the California chapter of Children's Health Defense. So we co-founded the first state chapter of Children's Health Defense in California right when we were locked down. That was in spring of 2020. And that was like building a jet as we flew it. It was crazy. But we managed to raise enough money to file 10 different lawsuits in California against K-12 schools, against colleges, against Governor Newsom and against boards of supervisors to push back on the illegal COVID vaccine mandates. So I served on Bobby Kennedy's board as a board member. And I'm from a family where you really need to put in the work. And my family has a foundation. And if you're on the board, you're a working board member. And so I took it upon myself to be a working board member at Children's Health Defense. So not only was I helping to raise funds for the work at Children's Health Defense, I also helped on the communications team and wrote articles and did other things to try to help them with administrative stuff as well. What do you say is the biggest misconceptions people have about what happened to you or when you try to explain to them what you went through? The biggest misconception people have about someone who's vaccine injured is, first of all, they've never heard the term vaccine injury. So that doesn't compute. And then they heard what I've heard my whole life, which is vaccines are safe and effective. And so they tend to dismiss the individual who does get vaccine injured, the person who took one for the team. And their thoughts go straight to the benefits of vaccines, almost as if they're denying what happened to you. But they're very worried about herd immunity and things like polio coming back, even though that's not actually a reality, because we've never achieved herd immunity with vaccines. And most people don't know, for example, with the polio vaccine, that the current version of that is an injected polio vaccine. It's not the oral polio vaccine that was invented a long time ago. The injected polio vaccine doesn't prevent transmission from one person to the other. So you could still get polio and you can spread it to somebody in your poop or your saliva. And the current polio vaccine does not prevent person to person transmission. So it's not contributing at all to a theoretical herd immunity. But people don't know any of that. So how would one do that? How can they do research when it's kind of supposedly widely accepted that they're all beneficial? Exactly. And, you know, Google started censoring health information in spring of 2015. And that sent up a red flag in my head that I knew that wasn't going to be good. And sure enough, as it plays out today, 10 years later, it's very hard to find any information about the risks of vaccination if you're doing a Google search or even if you're on chat GPT, which is censored as well. Those are all very left leaning and censorship. And for some reason, vaccination has become a political issue. And so the true information about vaccines gets censored. So what you need to do is you need to go to places like Children's Health Defense, go look at the Defender, which is their publication and try to find that information for yourself. And short of that, every time you get a vaccination, there's something called the package insert. It's this piece of paper that's folded up so many times. It's like almost like this. It's like this little rectangle that's kind of thick. But you unwrap the whole thing. Then you go look at Section six point one. And that's where they have to list all the adverse events from that particular vaccination you're about to get or about to give your child. If you're not reading Section six point one, you have not been fully informed or at all informed about the risks of vaccination. Because if I had read the package insert for hepatitis B vaccine, I would have seen all the things that could have possibly happened. And I didn't do it. And it turns out if you take that insert out for hepatitis B vaccine and you look at Section six point one, I can underline almost one thing in every category that I'm still afflicted with because of having gotten that vaccine. Like my symptoms match the package insert Section six point one almost exactly. In other words, please tell us again the website of the place where you can find this information about vaccines. Sure. If you go to Children's Health Defense dot org and then you go look at their publication called The Defender, they're incredible articles all sourced to original sources that are usually the CDC, the FDA, the Supreme Court of the United States. They are very well sourced and fact checked articles there. And I highly respect their publishing. You can also go to my website, which is Free Now Foundation dot org. And we publish a lot of great articles about vaccine safety. Please tell us about your current work. What is it that you're involved with right now? Right now, I run an organization called Free Now Foundation. We're a California non-profit and we've continued the work of the California chapter. We basically rebranded it. We took the lawsuits and we closed out all the lawsuits from the covid era as it were. And we started new lawsuits now to ensure that parents in California again have the choice of whether or not to vaccinate their children before they go to school in California. And in fact, we are the only organization using the courts to get those parental rights back because 10 years ago in California, parents had that right, as they do in most other states in the United States. But in California, we don't have that right anymore as parents. What is it that shocks you the most or what you found out through your research about vaccines? What shocks me the most about research into vaccines is that our agencies have refused to do the safety studies. And even more shocking than that is that they were required to do the safety studies and put forth vaccine safety guidelines. And that was required all the way back in 1986. So we're talking about almost 50 years that they've refused to do the studies, even though they were required to do them. Now, they've done other studies that they say are vaccine safety studies. But for example, they did a study, I believe it was in Denmark, and it was called the siblings study. And what they did is they said, well, you know, the results of the studies show that younger siblings don't have autism as much as the older siblings. Well, they never acknowledged the fact that once an older child becomes autistic and the parents associate that with vaccines, they don't vaccinate their younger children, usually at all, because they get so scared away from it. So that's the kind of study they do. And they say that the conclusion proves that, oh, because younger siblings don't have as much autism as older siblings, therefore, it's not genetic and it's not the vaccines. And they're just really strange conclusions when there's a very logical explanation for the results. And they set up the studies to never study the entire vaccine schedule. They've studied one ingredient and one vaccine, mercury and the MMR vaccine. That's pretty much it. They've never studied the whole schedule. They've never issued the vaccine safety guidelines, which were required by law in 1986. Do you think the vaccines create autism? I do think vaccines create autism. And I think in the next two to four years, I think the science is going to show that the weight of the evidence actually does prove that there is a causal link between autism and vaccines. And I know that's very controversial, but the science is there. And I think once the government does the science, it will be proven. Right now, we do have the science from independent researchers funded by independent people. We have those studies. And those absolutely show that children have a four times risk of autism if they're vaccinated compared to their unvaccinated peers. But our government has never done those studies. So I would consider that body of research directional because our government hasn't done the work. But I also know that the methodology of those studies is very sound and those researchers are very well-respected people. It's just that the government hasn't funded the research yet. I'm going to switch gears and talk about COVID a little bit. What do you think we learned from the lockdowns in 2020, 2021, whenever they were? What we learned from the lockdowns is that a public health emergency can be used to subvert our rights and trample our Bill of Rights. And I never thought that could happen. I mean, Steve, if you and I were talking in February of 2020 and one of us said to the other person, hey, you know, next month you're going to be voluntarily wearing a mask and you're not going to go within six feet of somebody. And if you don't do it, you know, you'll get in trouble with the sheriff. We wouldn't have believed it. And what I learned is we just went through a giant Milgram experiment. And in the Milgram experiments, which was a kind of fake electro shock experiment study done after World War II to show how many people are actually compliant with orders. What we learned is that about that same percentage of people complied with all the public health orders around COVID. And that's kind of scary. You'd like to think that Americans are more independent and that we would want to defend our Bill of Rights more than we did. But we lost freedom of speech. We lost the right to assemble and many, many other bodily autonomy rights in the 14th Amendment. And people, they said it was OK because we had to get herd immunity against COVID. And as I said before, herd immunity has never been achieved with vaccination. There is no body of work. There's no one study. There's nothing that shows we've ever achieved herd immunity with vaccination. In fact, there's a pediatric study that was published in around the year 2000 with 100 years of data from the Bureau of Vital Statistics. And the conclusion in pediatrics was that 90 percent of the decline in infectious illness was due to sanitation and antibiotics, meaning only 10 percent of the decline in infectious illness could be due to vaccination. But why does everybody think otherwise? All the data says it wasn't vaccination. Why do you think this is happening? Why is this being pushed so hard and and, you know, the results and the research is not being done thoroughly? I think there's a bunch of perverse incentives and they really they really showed in a very ugly way when we were locked down. Like, I would say the perverse incentives when we were locked down to diagnose somebody with COVID in the hospital caused a lot of other very kind and caring medical professionals to diagnose COVID, to put people on a ventilator and to put people on remdesivir. And, you know, you only had about a 25 percent chance of surviving once you were put on remdesivir because it's known to shut down the kidneys. So I think that perverse incentives have permeated the entire vaccine narrative this entire time, starting with, let's say, pediatricians. There's insurance companies that will give a pediatrician a bonus of four hundred dollars per child as long as a certain percent of their two-year-olds are fully vaccinated. And so, yeah, if you have a 1,000 person pediatric practice, you're getting a bonus of four hundred thousand dollars. So pediatricians are going to be vaccinating because they need that income. Also, a significant percentage, and I can't tell you exactly what, of a pediatrician's income comes from the well baby visits from children going to the pediatrician. On the pharmaceutical side of things, before COVID, pharmaceutical companies were in total making about 50 to 60 billion dollars on vaccination, but they were also then making about 500 billion dollars selling us back the cures for the things they created with the vaccines. And the things that are created with vaccines that are supported by the literature are allergies, asthma, eczema, autoimmune disease, and a lot of the neurodevelopmental disorders. And in fact, all of the neurodevelopmental disorders in every single study I've seen, and again, these are independent researcher studies, shows a 4x risk of neurodevelopmental disorder in the vaccinated children compared to unvaccinated children. So you have to ask, what are we doing and why are we doing it? And you can see the profit incentives all through the system. Yeah, I want to take some time and talk about a tennis player who became very famous. Well, he is very famous, but he became more famous for refusing to take the COVID shot. And of course, he's Novak Djokovic. He's probably the greatest players of all time, arguably. So he refused to take the shot and then he missed, I think it was 2022, the Australian Open and the US Open. And at his level, that missing the tournament pretty much means another grand slam that he missed. And sure enough, he went back the next year when he was allowed to go and then he won both. What are your thoughts on someone like that who would give up? These players are their whole entire life, they're training, they're practicing for these tournaments, right? But he gave it up just because he didn't want to take the shot. What are your thoughts on that? I think that was the highest form of bravery. And I think that he was a shining example of what most people should have done is said no to the whole scheme, because we were being vaccinated and forced vaccinated for the wrong reasons. Those shots, they knew from the beginning that those shots were never going to get us to herd immunity. I saw the early release studies, you could see the antibodies tracking down by the sixth week. I could see that if that was ever going to work and get to their theoretical herd immunity, people would have to be vaccinated every four weeks, 100% of people. I knew it was never going to work. And then I also knew that they reported the efficacy in terms of relative risk, not absolute risk reduction. So in relative risk reduction, they were saying, oh, 95% effective, but in absolute risk reduction, we were talking about less than 5% efficacy. So these things should have never hit the market. They were never going to do what they said. And Novak must have known some of this. He must have known that they weren't going to work. And he probably also saw some of the safety signals early on and knew exactly what to do. And ironically, I think there was an umpire who was calling some of the games for him, and he was pushing vaccines a whole lot. And then that umpire died suddenly. And that term died suddenly is something people in the vaccine safety movement look for, because that usually means somebody died suddenly of a heart event, a cardiac event. And those are by and large now associated with people who had COVID vaccines. And sadly, that's still happening. We don't know. There's a long tail of injury. And we don't know how long that tail is, but we're still seeing cardiac events, even in children as young as nine years old. I just heard about another nine-year-old having a heart attack today. And it just makes me wonder, you know, how long is this risk from the COVID vaccines going to last in people? And to get back to Novak, he knew. He somehow knew either that they weren't as effective as people said they were going to be, or that they could be injurious, and he avoided it. Well, and he did say many times that he's not an anti-vaccine person. He's just very careful what goes into his body. He watches every food or every drink that he takes. And he's just very careful, basically, what goes in his body. And he wants the choice to take it or not take it. He doesn't want to be forced to take it. And I think that's what you stand for. What is it that you stand for as far as vaccine safety? What is it, your dream, that you would like to see in California? What I stand for, I have more of a libertarian stance. And I'm personally anti-vaccine for me because of what happened to me. But I am for vaccine choice for everyone else. Like, I don't want to dictate what goes in your body or anybody else's body. But I want everybody to be aware of the risks and the benefits and make a choice for themselves. I'm absolutely against vaccine mandates and any medical mandate for that matter. Now, were there times when you were having all these adverse, you know, symptoms, where people would not believe you, why you have them, that you felt like giving up? And how did you come out of that and continue your work and your fight for what you're standing for? I did have a really hard time, especially early on in the first three years after my vaccine injury, because it was really hard to get a diagnosis. And if you don't have a diagnosis, if you don't have a label, people don't take what you're going through seriously. And sometimes the psychological torture, the emotional torture that people put you through because they don't believe you, that's at times worse than the physical symptoms you're going through. And let me tell you, the physical symptoms of being severely vaccine injured are horrendous. I mean, they just they will just flatten you. So there were some times when it was not clear to me I was ever going to get a diagnosis. And if you can't get a diagnosis, what's your path to recovery? Right. And so without a diagnosis, I did feel very hopeless a lot of the time in the late 1990s. And I mean, I did try to find Dr. Kervorkian's number. At one point, you remember, he was the assisted suicide guy. I never got in touch with him. But it was it was really a dark, difficult period in my life. And thankfully, ever since I went gluten free and got that big step out of it, I've never been depressed ever again in my life. I literally like as much as I was still going through after that and as flattened as I was at periods going through this for the next few decades, because it's been twenty nine years, I've never been depressed because that one big win of finding the gluten free diet and having so much control over how I felt because of that gave me so much hope. And I kept finding other things like that that gave me more hope and more control every step of the way. And that's how I've recovered from 49 out of 50 disabling symptoms. Are you still under the diet? Yes, I'm still on a gluten free diet and a lot more restrictions since then. But it's it allows me to be here and be productive and do the work I do in California. Please tell us about your interactions with teachers when it comes to to vaccinations and the choice of vaccinations. That's an interesting question about teachers, Steve, because I learned a lot about teachers when we were locked down from covid because children obviously couldn't go to school. And I found teachers to be probably better rule followers than the rest of us and maybe rule followers to a fault in the case of covid lockdowns and the mandates. So, you know, I kind of went head to head with some teachers. But let me tell you an interesting story about Los Angeles Unified School District. So schools in California, they get what's called dollars per student per day. And that means a student has to be there with their butt in their seat for the school to get a certain amount of money that goes with each student who's actually there. And so because students weren't in school for so long because of lockdowns, LAUSD, Los Angeles Unified, in other words, they opened their school back up to in-person instruction so they can get their dollars per students per day back. However, the teachers were so scared of covid that the teachers union there decided that the children would be in school with a computer on their desk watching their teacher on zoom who would be at home and a less expendable adult would be in the room monitoring the children. That's that's pretty funny. And I just found that just to be absurd. Completely absurd that one. I mean, it was literally like saying, OK, well, the life of this other adult in the classroom is less valuable than the teacher at home. It was so odd. I never understood. And also the reason for it, because they needed the money to. Right. Right. And again, it goes back to the perverse incentives. There were perverse incentives every step of the way. And in fact, here's another story. In our case against the Orange County Board of Supervisors, we alleged that they were not evaluating the local state of emergency as required by law. And so we filed a lawsuit against them. Well, it turned out that we suspected that they were keeping the emergency going to get covid cash for their county because it was very lucrative to have an emergency because you kept getting covid cash so you could spend it any way you wanted. Just as a side note, there was a school, I believe, in Illinois or Wisconsin who got their covid cash. It was called Essar Funds. And we heard that they spent it on bleachers and nothing to do with covid. So back to the supervisors in Orange County, they did get an excess of covid cash to the point where all five supervisors in Orange County got 13 million dollars to give to a charity of their choice. And they didn't need a vote from another supervisor to do it. And so Supervisor Andrew Doe took his 13 million dollars, had his college age daughter start a new charity and gave it all to her charity. And now it turns out that he is off the Board of Supervisors and he was actually convicted of inappropriately using those funds for personal use. And that's exactly what we suspected. I mean, number one, we suspected that the county was going to use it for things other than covid, of course. And number two, we suspected that, you know, something like that might happen, like what Andrew Doe did. So that's the power of lawsuits. Like even if we don't win, we can uncover corruption like that along the way. Please tell us, what do you think Bobby Kennedy will continue to do in his work? How is he going to affect the schools, the vaccines and, you know, pretty much the whole health system? What do you expect to see in the next few years? I expect some really exciting things. First, I want to say that for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., there's only four things that are really important to him in this realm. And that is the science, the law, ethics and radical transparency. So I expect to see radical transparency from all the scientific agencies within HHS. So I expect radical transparency from the NIH, from the Institute of Medicine, which now has a new name, from the FDA, from the CDC. And I could not be more excited about that happening. And when he was running for president, I was actually in the finance committee helping raise money for his campaign, which is separate from my work with the Free Now Foundation, because we can't endorse any candidates as if I won C3. But he repeatedly said one of his first executive orders would be to bar pharmaceutical companies from advertising. So that would have been a very exciting executive order. I'm still hoping President Trump will do that one. But most of all, what absolutely needs to happen to vaccine manufacturers is they need to have liability again. They are protected from liability ever since 1986 from an act that President Reagan signed into law in 1986. It was the same one that required the government to put forth the vaccine safety guidelines. That was the same act that gave liability protection to vaccine manufacturers, which they still have today. And what you saw after they got liability protection is a flood of new vaccines on the market in the 1990s that weren't necessarily safe. When did I get injured? The 1990s. And that was because those vaccines not only had aluminum in them, which is one of the causative agents of allergies, asthma, and autoimmunity, and the neurodevelopmental disorders, they also had a lot of mercury in them at the time. So you were getting bolus doses of both of those metals, and they're synergistically toxic. And because vaccine makers didn't have liability, they introduced things like the hepatitis B vaccine, the one that primarily injured me, without proper safety testing. There were two studies pre-licensure of hepatitis B vaccine. One was for four days, one was for five days. How are you going to assess the injuries from a vaccine if you cut off the safety studies at four days or five days? And they did, because they didn't care. They have liability protection. I mean, imagine if you made bicycles or car seats with a liability shield. Would you care if the product was safe, or would you just want to sell more and get it mandated on everybody? What would you say is that the thing people misunderstand the most about the vaccine policy? The thing people misunderstand the most about vaccine policy is that the manufacturers have complete liability protection. If they just understood that one thing, they would understand the whole scheme, because that is the biggest problem. Because you can't take a vaccine manufacturer to court. The only way you can take them to court is if they knew about a side effect, and they didn't disclose it in section 6.1 of the vaccine insert that we talked about earlier. Which they do. Yeah, which they try to do. Or they avoid doing the studies, so that they don't have to report a side effect. Or they don't use a true placebo. In these studies, they sometimes use another vaccine as a placebo. It's supposed to be a sugar pill or a saline shot. They use another vaccine, or they use a shot of aluminum, so that they can gin up the side effects in the placebo group, so then the vaccine group doesn't look as unsafe. They just won't do the studies properly, so they can't find these side effects that they have to disclose. Again, if they have any side effects that they know of from their studies, or any other studies that they haven't disclosed, that's the only way you can sue them in civil court. Otherwise, you have to go to vaccine court, where there's not even a judge. It's run by the Department of Justice, and there's a special master instead of a judge. They deny more than half the cases, and the awards are not adequate for what happens to people, and they put parents through hell to go through that process. You've been asked to go to Washington, D.C. and work for Bobby Kennedy. Is it something you're thinking about doing? Are you considering it in any way? I got a call on November 7th from the man that Kennedy deputized to start early staffing needs for the HHS. I was offered a position at the NIH to hold the purse strings for vaccine studies outside of the government, so vaccine studies done at universities. I thought about it for a while. I was very flattered and really interested in doing that, because my background was in research, and I know how to the science, obviously. But I decided ultimately I'm needed in California, and these lawsuits that we're doing in California are so important. We're literally the only group using the courts to bring rights back to parents around vaccination for private and public schools. So I'm needed here, and until we can cement those wins in court, and those judgments are the most durable decisions, those will outlast executive orders and different fads. Until we have those decisions, I don't want to leave California and go work at the NIH or any other agency in D.C. I really want to see this work through in California. That's most important to me, and because it's most important to the people of California, to all these families, because the vaccine scheme in California right now, it's a designed to fail medical exemption system. So even if you can get a medical exemption and it goes into this database that we have nicknamed the anti-vaxxer database, then by law the Department of Public Health can come in and look at that medical exemption, and we don't know of a single one that has been upheld by the Department of Public Health. They all get overturned. So what that's created is a de facto mandatory vaccination scheme in order for children to go to public or private school in California, and that is the one of the worst states in the entire country. I think there's only one or two other ones like it. Connecticut is like California, but by and large almost every other state they have a robust medical exemption, they have a religious exemption, or they have a personal belief exemption which also covers religious exemptions. So California is one of the most draconian states with this de facto mandate. So I want to be here and get those wins in court to stop what's going on right now because parents need the choice again like we had 10 years ago. Alex, thank you so much for what you're doing, for your work, for bringing awareness of this very important issue and the conversation that needs to happen on this topic of vaccine safety. Let's talk a little bit about tech. You know, AI is building, it's growing so fast. How is this playing to the vaccine scheme here? Well, Steve, I call COVID the second war on terror because a war on terror involves an invisible enemy, just like 9-11. That was our first war on terror, and there was an invisible enemy. We didn't know where they were. We didn't know who it was. Anybody could be our enemy. So it was this invisible war on terror, right? So then we get COVID, and we have another invisible enemy. And until you showed me your vaccine passport, you could be my enemy because you somehow, even without symptoms, could somehow get me sick even if I was vaccinated. So it was just this using the vaccine was a way to use neuro-linguistic programming on people to take advantage of the fact that everybody thinks that vaccines are safe and effective, and the vaccine somehow provides a shield or armor around you until somebody unvaccinated walked within six feet of you. Then somehow your shield or armor went away temporarily, and you could get sick from anyone. And it's laughable now, right? Vaccines never worked like that, but somehow, when we were locked down, people thought that they worked like that, and that was on purpose. That was neuro-linguistic programming that was done on purpose so that I would demand a vaccine passport from you. You would demand a vaccine passport from me because we are invisible enemies. You don't know if we're an enemy unless we prove that we're safe. And that, I believe, was a ruse to get everybody on a digital vaccine passport because I believe that's the platform for the digital ID that I believe we are being pushed toward. They're trying to manufacture our consent for a digital ID the entire way. The United States is different than a lot of countries because we tend to be less compliant, although we were pretty compliant when we were locked down. But in general, we have the Bill of Rights. We tend to be less compliant, and so they need to manufacture our consent for each step of this technocracy every step of the way. They want to make you think that each step is going to make it more convenient. So you go to Whole Foods now, and you used to have to stick your credit card in the machine. Now you can just tap it. Well, then now you can also use your palm to pay. Well, what's easier than using your palm to pay? What if you just had a chip in your wrist and you could pay with that? So I tell people, just be aware of things that you think are for your convenience that are there to make your life easier, especially if they make your life more and more high-tech or bring you more and more to the singularity of combining humans with machines. It gets really scary. So even right now, we can see with AI that a lot of young people coming out of college, they train in computer science. They expect to get entry-level jobs in high-tech, and those aren't as available anymore because AI has taken over those entry-level jobs. Now, the ones who are getting jobs are getting paid at a higher level, I think, because they're qualified for a higher-level job, not the entry-level job. But those are going to go away also as AI gets smarter and smarter. So you see those jobs, the intellectual jobs go away, some of them that can be replaced by AI. But then once we have robots combined with AI, then we see some of the physical labor jobs going away also. And where does that lead? That leads to mass unemployment where there may not be employment for enough of the population. And then you've got an idle workforce that would otherwise be working. And that's very scary for society. You create vagrants potentially. So then what are you going to have to do to solve that problem as a society? Then you have to bring in universal basic income to take care of this large swath of people who can't work anymore. And then what comes with universal basic income? Social credit scores, just like in Shenzhen, China province. So I think it's really scary where all of this could go. And you have to think way back to COVID now. It's a couple of years ago when people were demanding vaccine passports of each other. That was on purpose to manufacture your consent for a digital ID. And I see a lot of other ways that they're going to potentially push us onto a digital ID. For example, what if we have a cyber attack? And what if we lose electricity? And what if we lose water and food? And it's the winter and you can't stay warm? Well, a FEMA camp might pop up in your neighborhood, and you might voluntarily wander into that FEMA camp during that emergency. Well, what if they force you to get a digital ID to leave freely? And on that digital ID, there has to be a record of a vaccination that you don't want that you had to get just to get out of the FEMA camp. I mean, there's quarantine laws in every single state that makes stuff like that legal. If you're a public health risk, they can make you do anything to make you convert to a not public health risk anymore. And then you have the proof and then it has to be digital these days. And so that's one way that you can be forced onto a digital ID that you don't want. Another thing that could happen with a cyber attack is that it would be another invisible enemy. I call it the potential third war on terror. If there's a cyber attack, we won't know who it is. So maybe you're going to have to use a digital ID to access the internet after that. That would keep everybody safe, right? So be careful of things for your safety as well, not just for your convenience, but for your safety. So you just have to be really careful. Even 15 minute cities, I think, are somewhat of a trap also because you're not going to have a car. There's only going to be public transportation. People are going to live in high rises and everything is going to be available to you. Everything's going to be electronic. There's not going to be any gas stoves or anything. So everything can be turned off on a moment's notice and you're trapped there. What do you do? And you're going to have to have a digital ID to live in a 15 minute city. Nothing's going to work without it. So that's what we're looking at as far as potential AI development and technology running our lives. Exactly. And even the comments from Larry Ellison that he made in that press conference with President Trump, he said, we're developing mRNA vaccines for cancer that can be developed within 48 hours of getting somebody's blood. And then AI is going to be used to make that go faster. Well, I'm sorry. I think that's a pretense to build out this AI infrastructure for the beneficial use case of curing cancer. But I think that's actually to build out the AI infrastructure consisting of a lot of electric facilities, coal-fired power plants, nuclear plants, to support a bigger AI infrastructure in the future, the internet of things, the internet of robots, the internet of people if we're chipped. And we're going to need a whole lot more electricity to surveil all of us with AI and facial recognition. Any concluding thoughts for our audience? I hope people will have an open mind and listen to what I have to say and realize that I've done a lot of research, as have most people in my position who argue that we should have safer vaccines. And go check it out yourself. Don't rely on what I say, but believe me enough to go take a little bit of a deeper dive yourself. The vaccine conversation is never done in one conversation. I'm not here to convert anybody to being anti-vaccine. I just want to start the conversation with people that you should do a deeper dive for your own safety. Alex, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Steve. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for watching another episode of Bay Area Innovators. If you enjoyed this episode and you know someone who should be on our show, please send us an email at sfbay at epochtimes.com. We would love to hear from you. Thank you and see you next week.