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Tensions on the rise between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky after Trump
called him a dictator without elections. Lucas Tomlinson is live in Washington
with all the details here. Hi Lucas. Good early morning Carly and Tom. President
Trump doubling down on those comments about Ukrainian President Volodymyr
Zelensky while speaking in Miami to business leaders hosted by Saudi Arabia's
Sovereign Wealth Fund. The only thing he was really good at was playing Joe Biden
like a fiddle. He played him like a fiddle. That's an expression we use. A
dictator without elections. Zelensky better move fast or he's not going to
have a country left. Gotta move. Gotta move fast because that war is going in
the wrong direction. In the meantime we're successfully negotiating an end to
the war with Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Trump
could meet this month in Saudi Arabia. The Kremlin said it's possible. Right now
Russia makes more weapons and ammunition in three months than the
entire NATO alliance including the United States makes in a year. Officials
say the U.S. makes 50,000 artillery rounds a month. Russia 250,000. Following
Trump's remarks on True Social calling Zelensky a dictator, the Ukrainian
president fired back calling Trump's comments Russian disinformation. That
prompted Trump's Vice President J.D. Vance to respond telling the Daily Mail
quote the idea that Zelensky is going to change the president's mind by bad
mouthing him in public media. Everyone who knows the president will tell you
that is an atrocious way to deal with this in this administration. So we'll see
guys whether President Trump meets with Russia's president later this month. Stay
tuned. Carly. Stay tuned is right. Lucas thank you. Let's bring in former deputy
National Security Advisor and the VP of National Security at the Heritage
Foundation Victoria Coates. Victoria where do we go from here? Well good
morning Todd. Yeah I think what we're seeing here is positioning and ahead of
any negotiations. I think that that both President Zelensky and President Trump
are pretty media savvy and are are kind of laying out where they they're what
they think are their positions of strength. But I think we have to
remember President Zelensky has really allowed himself to be politicized by the
Biden administration. Remember when he went to Pennsylvania in the heat of the
general election at the end of September of last year to visit an ammunition
factory. It didn't take anyone from the Republican side with him. Just a bunch of
Democrats. It was essentially a campaign appearance for Kamala Harris. So so he's
already deep in thick of American politics and I think President Trump
remembers that and doesn't appreciate it. Yeah the left loves to say Trump favors
Putin and that they're buddies. That's what the critics are saying. But one
theory I heard and I think it's interesting. I want to get your thoughts.
Trump one wants to end the war but two he is also trying to build our alliance
with Russia so that Russia decouples from China. Your thoughts on that? Well I
think the most important thing to remember is of the last three
presidencies, four if you count Trump twice, the only president under whom
Ukraine was not invaded by Vladimir Putin was Donald Trump. So if his
relationship with Vladimir Putin prevented a horrible war in the first
term, hopefully he can end this war in the second term and that's definitely a
better relationship with Russia. Now Putin's economic dependence on China is
such that it's going to be very hard to peel him off but we can make that
relationship problematic for China and I think that would be a really good thing
for our bigger challenge, much bigger than Ukraine, which of course is China. I
think that is such an important point. We get lost in the weeds with Russia,
Ukraine. China is the number one geopolitical adversary that we have and
we need to keep our eye on the ball at all times with regard to them.
Here to react, former Assistant Secretary of State for Reagan and Bush 41 Robert
Charles and Foundation for Defense of Democracies founder Cliff May. Cliff to
you first on this. I know one thing. President Trump's the only guy not
responsible for any of this and to quote Michael Waltz, the national uh
security security advisor. He said that a few months ago everybody was talking
about this war as if it would never end. Now we're talking and debating now how
it will end. What say you?
Well, I think there is a way to achieve the goals that President Trump and his
top top advisor scott best and Mike Waltz, Marco Rubio have discussed in the
past for what it's worth. I have a column in the Washington Times today
talking about exactly that. What are the goals? A ceasefire would be good. A
cessation of hostilities. That's not peace and concord, but that's a good
thing. And then you want to guarantee the independence of Ukraine going
forward. That's really vital. We don't want Ukraine swallowed up by Russia in
that empire and then Putin using those resources to take on other countries,
including those in NATO and a relationship economically with the U. S.
I think trump is right based on the fact that there is a there are untapped
resources in Ukraine, mineral wealth, rare earths and if those rare earths
can buy Ukraine peace and independence and freedom, I think that's a that's a
that's a win win. It's a win for Ukraine. It's a win for America. It's a
win for trump 2.0. But Putin doesn't get to swallow Ukraine and crush that
crush that country. Robert, speaking for myself, I take issue with a few of
the things that trump said, a few of the characterizations and then he also
seemed to suggest yesterday that Ukraine started the war, which isn't
true. That being said, I'm sort of puzzled by Zelensky's choices here to
start kind of poking at trump and taking the shot that he did about the
disinformation bubble or however he framed it. Has he not learned how
Donald trump works over these last number of years? It seems like if he
wants to get something out of this administration saying, oh, you don't
know what you're talking about. Maybe not the best approach.
Yeah, look, some people have a hard time reckoning with reality. The jig is
up for Mr Zelensky of the 32 countries that are NATO countries. If you take
31 of them that are not the United States and add up what they spent on
this war and then you add in what we spent, we spent more than all other 31
members of NATO on this war. This is an endless war unless it gets ended. And
what trump is looking at right now is the obvious geopolitical, um,
incentives to get this to a close right now. Russia has lost more than they've
lost in any war at any point except World War two. They are at a bottom.
They are getting their ammunition from China. They're getting their men from
North Korea. They're in a bad position. Okay, Zelensky meanwhile, has actually
one of the most corrupt governments on the face of the planet. And he had that
before this war began and he is not well regarded by a lot of people. And
what do you think is going to happen when this war comes to a close? He's
going to come hat in hand and ask the United States of America, all of us
taxpayers who forked over hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild his part
of Ukraine. Look, the answer here is straightforward. The Russian part of
Ukraine, the part that wants to be part of Russia, the part that Russia
currently has, the part of Russia, the part of Ukraine that honestly is
Russian speaking needs to, it needs to probably have a line drawn down it and
Zelensky needs to ask Europe and the United States to help build back what
remains of Ukraine. This is otherwise an endless war and American taxpayers
for all that we love freedom. We are sick and tired of spending billions
upon billions for a guy that can't even find where 50% of that money is gone.
If I hear Robert one more Dick Cheney loving neocon war hawk talk about how
this is money well spent by Washington because a large percentage of it was
put back in our economy to build new weapons and munitions here in the
United States by that kind of economic logic. Then what? That's an economic
theory, a theory equivalent of, hey, let's invade a country like Sweden.
Just think of all the jobs in the military and the weapons and the
ammunition the U. S. Makes. In fact, that logic about we make weapons being
shipped to Ukraine or to replace the ones used in Ukraine. It is actually
inflationary because it employs people to make things they can't consume like
bombs. It pays them money, but it doesn't create supply of other consumer
goods that we need and do consume.
Look, there's no justification. Wait, hold on. That's rock to Robert. Go ahead.
Yeah, there's no justification for going to war because you're gonna make
money on it. Okay, the reality isn't even what you just described. The
reality is we have run down our stockpiles. We've run down I Mars. We've
run down major missile systems. We've run down a huge inventory of our own
ammunition. What if we have to engage right now in Taiwan? What if we have to
engage right now on another part of Europe? What if we have to engage to
protect our own borders? Bottom line is this war needs to end. Zelinsky needs
to straighten up and fly right. And you know what? The incentives are right
there right now. Even China can be brought in on this because they don't
want to keep pumping money into Russia in order to keep fighting this war. And
at the end, Europe doesn't want to pump any more money into Ukraine either.
Cliff quickly. The bottom line here, I'm sorry, is Ukraine is a victim. Putin is
the victimizer. If he thinks the U. S. Is going to abandon Ukraine the way
Biden abandoned Afghanistan, the way Obama abandoned Iraq, he's gonna fight
on in Ukraine and beyond Ukraine. We're talking about 3% of our defense
budget going to Ukraine so the Ukrainians can fight Putin, who is in a
no limits partnership with the communists in China and with Tehran.
That's an axis of aggressors who wants to see that America is never great
again. Robert Charles Cliff May. Thank you both.
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