The Power of Accountability

I mean, the one thing that I appreciate about your story is one thing is to preach what people should do, but you actually lived with the heaviness. You actually know what it's like to stay up at night and not know how you're going to make it the next day and not know how you're going to get yourself out of debt. So when you're talking to people, you felt that. I can hear it in their voice when they call in, you know, it's 35, almost 40 years later and I can still feel it when it runs through my body physically. When I hear that terror, the edge in their voice, I can, I can sense that right where they are and that they're scared because we were so scared. We couldn't breathe. We didn't know what to do. We were just stupid and I had met God on the way up. I got to know him on the way down and so I found a guy on Christian radio that was teaching what the Bible says about money and then I started talking to old rich people. I wanted to find out from a best practices standpoint where money really comes from. Then we'll talk to young rich people. I'd been him, didn't need his advice and so, but in both places, biblical finance, so to speak and talking to old rich people, I found common sense. Live on less than you make, get out of debt, have a plan, be outrageously generous, you know, communicate with your spouse, be on the same page. None of those things we were doing, by the way, and so it was like, like I'd found fire, you know, wow. And so, you know, but I, you know, I learned the hard way, but I learned thoroughly.