Near Death Experiences With Anita Moorjani

Well Anita it's so wonderful to be reconnected with you again. Last time we were together we were with John Holland at the Omega Institute and it was just so lovely. I'd read your book Dying to be Me but yeah hearing your story in person it was really really transformative and I think that what I really experienced in you sharing your story was like quite a transmission as you did that and it made me kind of question like with your near-death experience like what what do you think was happening with your mind body and soul like was it all happening at once to all parts of you or were they kind of like separate that's the that was the biggest question that that I had. That's an interesting question no one's asked me that before. I think for me it did feel like it was all happening at once it really did feel like that like so time was not linear and time was very abstract in that realm so I would not be able to separate it as to what was happening first what was happening after so I'm going to say it was all happening at once. You know it was like we interpret things on a timeline here so we interpret time and linear and one point of time occurring at a time when we're here in this physical time and space but on the other side it didn't feel that way at all. It felt like time was fluid all of time existed at once so you can say everything's happening at once but it's like what you put your focus on if I put my focus on my physical body then that was where my focus was if I put my focus on where my essence my soul was transcending to then that was where my focus on so the timeline was determined by where I would focus. And with you like I know that spiritual practice is like a big part of your life now is there like a similar because like I speak about in my work Kairos time which is like sacred time where you kind of like step into the non-linear time was it kind of like that or just completely different? Probably a more magnified version of that because when you are in a meditative state or even in a trance state you're still part of this physical time and space you still have a point of attachment that is attached to this physical time and space but in the case of when you actually are going through a dying process you're leaving this physical time and space you're leaving the physical body and you're starting to experience this timelessness this essence that is not locked in that's so I would say it's more fluid it's probably magnified a little more so I would say that there is this feeling of going into like an abyss of time because at no point do you think you're actually going back into your body. Wow wow and do you like do you have a belief of like like do you do you think your soul was always going to have that experience or was it something that like happened and then change things like do you have any thoughts on that? It's a you know it's a bit of a dichotomy even for me because on the one hand I feel that I got sick and had the experience because of all the choices and decisions that I made during my life you know because I lived a life of fear and that's why I got sick and that's why this happened and had I not lived my life in this way had I made different choices I wouldn't have gotten sick so on the one hand it feels that way but yet I don't feel that but on the other on that's what it feels on the one hand that you know had I not made those choices I wouldn't have gotten sick but on the other hand it also feels like this is what I'm meant to be doing what I'm doing today is my purpose it's what I came here to do it's what I was born to do and I would never have been led on this path had I not had the experience I had so it's a little bit of a dichotomy in that I had to have lived the life I lived to have had this experience um and I feel that I could have made different choices that would have led me to not get cancer and yet without the cancer I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing wow oh it's I it I just love feeling into that mystery like yeah so like yeah if you if you didn't have cancer maybe you would have had a different near-death experience but still had that message or yeah wow wow it's interesting that's so interesting yeah it's like I reached that point of being at the end of my life and letting go and allowing myself to even die because of um how bad the cancer was and the cancer came as a result of the way I was living my life and so it's really interesting that but coming out of it it's like this is what I'm meant to be doing and did you like before you had your near-death experience did you like have within your heart like this like a calling like I'm here for a reason like there's something I need to find and do or was it something you weren't feeling or aware of? I did you know it's funny I think I've always felt my entire life that I had a bigger calling but I had no idea what it was and again um because of my life the way my life was I'd always live this life of fear so I would never have imagined that I would be a best-selling author or a speaker on a stage speaking to you know thousands of people that would be something that would have been so out of reach for me but yet in my heart I knew I had a bigger purpose I knew I wasn't meant to just be someone who was just living their life from day to day doing nothing like just being at that time we used to use the word housewife I knew I wasn't meant to be just a stay-at-home housewife whiling away the days and or serving and cooking and cleaning for a family or a husband I knew that wasn't my purpose I knew but I didn't know what was but at the same time I knew I was here for a bigger calling and yet I was very shy introverted um a people pleaser very fearful so I was all those things as well and all those things were a result of my culture of and then after this experience like those those things those ways of being like are you still those things or did they like slowly fall away or instantly fall away it was a slow process because I'd never been socialized to be out in the public and to be a public figure so you never learned I never learned the skills socially I didn't grow into that so it was a slow process but I loved I have loved the process it's like I felt like I had to break away from the cultural conditioning so it was that it was chipping away at the cultural conditioning that's I had to do the cultural conditioning that keeps women restrained small meek subservient to men it was that cultural conditioning and I had to break away from that and that was very liberating but it was not like immediate because when I tried it when I came back from the near-death experience it wasn't accepted so in the culture I mean so I had to slowly chip away at it and how long was it before you and Denny moved to America? Oh it was quite a while after the near-death experience so we moved here almost 10 years ago just coming up to 10 years ago and this near-death experience happened to me about let's see it's 2024 it happened 2006 so about 18 years ago so it was eight years after the NDE that we moved to moved out of the country that I grew up in and away from all the people the community and everybody that I grew up with and we created a new community here. I know what that's like I grew up in Australia and yeah moved to London when I was 25 and then yeah we now live in in Glastonbury and yeah my husband he he's from Australia but we met in London but yeah it's it's it's a real thing to live somewhere else it's liberating and it's also yeah it's it's a whole thing isn't it? It is it is a whole thing you know and I feel liberated from moving to and and rebuilding a community that fits with who I am now and being getting away so I don't want to undermine all my old friends from my old community I still love them but as a place that I grew up it's kind of liberating to be able to create a new it's like a clean slate clean canvas coming to a new country being the person I am today instead of the person I used to be. And the other question I wanted to ask was around like integration because like so a lot of people in my community and myself included like they've had an awakening or like a like a unitive or consciousness shifting mystical experience and so these things could happen like in an instant and like what I've observed is like especially the ones that that happen in an instant sometimes like it seems like the transformation happens like that and it does but also it's like whoa it's like that experience just continues to teach and it's like the integration actually takes like forever have is that the same with a near-death experience or is it different? No it's the same it's the same like research into near-death experiences has shown that you don't really um like the minimum amount of time you have to give it give yourself to integrate it is seven years. Wow. Yes. Oh my goodness. Yeah and that research actually shows that so there is an organization called International Association of Near-Death Studies where you have professors who interview every near-death experience so they can get their hands on so I have been interviewed by them ad infinitum in fact I've just been invited to be on their board of advisors but they have interviewed thousands of near-death experiencers and talked to them about the integration about the experience itself the integration how their community reacts to them how they fit in and they have said that time and time again they're noticing that it takes you have to allow seven years before you really feel that you can kind of navigate your way I won't say before you feel you can fit in you never go back to being the person you used to be and nor do you want to nor do I ever want to because who I am today is much closer to me being my authentic self I am being me today I wasn't being me before that's why I got the cancer I was a people pleaser I was a doormat I would never want to go back to that but the people I grew up with that's who they knew and so this is where people struggle it's like how do I integrate I've learned these things I've discovered these things I've discovered the truth of who I really am what I'm meant to be where I'm meant to go or I've discovered some clarity about life but nobody around me is going to understand and that's what we have to deal with and I hear another common thing that happens is that partnerships break up yeah because they're no longer aligned with each other values change knowing like your connection and how closely you work with Danny he was on here just before he travels with you such an important part of your work and obviously life like what what was the biggest like learning or or I don't know like thing thing that you guys needed to do in order for that integration to happen like between you and as well as with you so I was very blessed not a lot of partners I think would sadly from what I've heard not a lot of partners would react and be as supportive as Danny was so I was very blessed I think that is the one thing that has made my journey worth it like really worth it because a lot of people come back and say they wish they stayed on the other side and I can see why because they get lonely they've lost their partner because their partner doesn't understand them anymore and they've lost their community and they don't know how to integrate so it's a real struggle I lost a lot of people in my community as well I was not the same person but the one person actually I would say two my brother as well the but I live with Danny my brother lives far away but that so the one person that really made it worth my while made the journey worth my while who stuck with me no matter what even if I messed up got things wrong fell flat on my face you know Danny stuck by me and every near-death experiencer needs one person like that to really stick by them and make them feel they're not going crazy and it's because he was with me when I was sick he was with me when I was dying and he he was like holding my hand and willing me to come back and and so I felt that I came back because of him and I think a big part of me knew and that's the reason I came back a big part of me knew that he was still going to be with me even through integrating it wow that is really really beautiful so moving oh I wonder like does like if if the call of your of your life was similar to the call of his like like was that an agreement that you guys made together and it's like we're here I feel that exactly you know so even when I made the decision to come back I was getting the message that his purpose and my purpose is linked and if I don't come back he can't complete his purpose either and you received that information while you were you had your experience yes on the other side wow that's amazing oh and Edith it's been so so inspiring hearing your story and yes I particularly feel like very excited about the seven year integration piece because yeah it echoes a couple of other bits of information that I've received around that seven years that it takes and even from my own experience I had my mystical experience and I struggled to even talk about it like in a way that like felt like it was stable in my system until seven years like it was literally to the day seven years yeah yeah and I had heard someone had said to me well that makes sense because it takes seven years for all the cells in your body to change or you know there's all of those kind of things but yeah I didn't I hadn't I hadn't heard it that like as an actual thing I thought it was just like a theory yeah so that's amazing oh okay so I have a couple of questions I just want to do quick fire at the end to complete the first one is what returns you to the wisdom within for me being quiet going out in nature listening to music I love music I love listening to music it actually alters my mood my brain patterns and I can go really deep when I'm listening to music that moves me and it doesn't mean necessarily meditation meditation music but it can be but it can also be ballads and other types of music so it's a variety of music but that's a go-to for me when I need to return within and then do you have like a daily spiritual practice or does that change change day to day it does change day to day so and it's and I've noticed I'm a little different because I noticed that for a lot of people they need a routine or they need a ritual they need a habit they need to form a habit for me if I feel that I have to do this every day at a certain time and it's the same thing I actually feel locked in so I notice that I'm different and I used to judge myself for that because every spiritual teacher I knew used to say it's a practice you have to do it every day and you have to do this I've noticed for me it makes me feel very constrained I need that freedom to do it anytime during the day I want and for as long as I want and whenever I need it and it can be a different practice each day and so I like to give people permission to create what works for them and not worry about what spiritual teachers say don't even worry about what I say even if you think I'm wrong and you do need a practice every day that's the same that's a ritual then go for it so oh my god I so agree yeah in my earlier in my journey I I definitely showed up to a practice and it was really good it was like a 10 minute meditation basically just receiving light I loved it and then one day I woke up and it was like I can't do it anymore so easy to judge yourself you know and I think there's a lot of that happening these days in with all the division that's happening in the world where it's kind of like we enter into different phases of awakening where like the old practices they're not right for where we are but it doesn't mean they were wrong it's just like we're at a different place now so yeah I love that you said that yeah exactly exactly and that's the thing we have a tendency to judge ourselves and think oh why am I not getting this right yeah yeah yeah totally and then just finally what's inspiring you what are you working on at the moment that's lighting you up oh so many things um so I am ready to start writing a new book exactly yeah and um also um I am there is the possibility of a Hollywood movie and I say possibility of a Hollywood movie being made about my story and the reason I say possibility is because one never knows how long these things take but like I've been spending um my days having meetings with people like script writers who are running things by me and saying how do you feel about this and they've been very respectful which I love but it's um it's super exciting like speaking with the people who are the producers the writers and just seeing what they're putting together and then of course one never knows until they actually sell it to the big studios wow well I can see it let's all hold a vision for that I will be the first in line at the cinema for that so exciting amazing well and and I really want to encourage um everyone listening if or watching if you haven't read Dying To Be Me oh my gosh it's such an inspiring book and I recommend reading it now before the movie um and is there anything else that you would like to share um or or where people can find you yes people can find me on my website anitamurjani.com but I would love for them to also join my YouTube it's uh just go go to my YouTube channel watch my videos um would love for people to check out my videos and subscribe um I just love for my message to get out there because I feel that the more people that get it the easier it becomes for people who've had these experiences to integrate yes all right so I'll make sure we include the link to that YouTube channel as well as link to Anita's website and and her books and beautiful creations thank you so much for listening everyone um and I will see you next time thank you for this