Yun: Reducing spending brings down interest rates

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Lawrence Yun, Chief Economist at the National Association of Realtors, explains that reducing the national deficit could help lower mortgage rates by impacting bond yields. Although the Fed has cut rates, 10-year yields remain high due to budget deficits.
All right. So let's break this down really quick. I'm going to set you up here. So your idea is that
Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk, they could help housing costs, which is basically mortgage rates,
if they reduce the national deficit and that would lower bond yields. I'll let you take it from there
the rest of the thesis. Well, you know, we have seen the Federal Reserve already cut rates by 75
basis points, but the 10-year treasury yields have been rising. So the Federal Reserve is not
lowering the mortgage rate. And the reasoning for that could be that we have very high budget
deficit, large debt to continue to grow by $2 trillion a year. So if somehow the government
spending can be reduced, because we know that President Trump will extend his tax cuts. So the
tax cut, there would not be a possibility of a tax increase. So only way to reduce the debt level is
to reduce government spending. And we have Elon Musk, along with Vivek Ramaswamy, looking for
ways for spending, reduce it. So with less government borrowing need, that means there
will be more private capital, including mortgage lending available in the market to bring down
those interest rates. OK. So there's a couple of ifs in there, I think, in all fairness, Lawrence,
that a couple of things have to happen. But also, I think the important thing to point out,
as you mentioned, the Fed has cut rates, but still we've seen the 10-year go higher. A lot of that
has to do with investors and bonds and their views on some of the Trump policies. One of them is the
deficit. The other one is potential tariffs and the inflationary impact. So what happens if the
10-year continues to go higher? Do you believe even if Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy cut government
spending and things and the 10-year moves higher, does that still lower mortgage rates? Because
they're not actually tied together. It's kind of they move together, but they're not directly tied
together. So I just want to kind of spell that out again, because I know I'm throwing a lot at you.
OK, go ahead. I'll let you go. I apologize. Well, you know, certainly, Tara, we have to wait and
see what degree, how much of a magnitude of an impact, because it will be inflationary in the
short term. But if there is a long term credible plan. So it's not about reducing budget deficit
in a single year, but a credible plan to reduce deficit over time that will bring down the 10-year
treasury yield, which consequently will lower the mortgage rate. As you said, mortgage rates are much
more tied to the 10-year treasury. Now, there is a little misalignment between 10-year treasury
and 30-year fixed rate mortgage at the moment. Historically, the spread between the two rates
would be about 200 basis point or even lower. Right now, it's about 250 basis point. So if the
market become more confident about the direction of the economy, along with the budget deficit
situation, I think there will be a narrowing in the spread between 10-year treasury and mortgage
rate, which also helps bring down that mortgage rates for consumers. You know, Lawrence, one other
thing to mention, and I think you probably have the answer and some of the data behind this. We
have so much demand for housing here in the United States. Depending on the estimate, we're at a
shortfall of at least 2 million. People continue to buy houses with these higher mortgage rates.
How does supply and demand play a part of this? If I'm giving out mortgages, why would I lower
the rates, even if the 10-year goes lower, if people keep buying houses? Well, you know, there's
always the dream of the ownership because we know that vast difference in wealth between homeowners
and renters. So the demand will always be there. It's a question of supply. So we need to assure
that supply continues to increase. And so anything to bring about more supply, whether
turning a slice of federal land or more home building, or whether reducing some regulation
for home builders to get more active into the marketplace, maybe consider changing the zoning
law. So we have to consider supply. But at the moment, even at the elevated mortgage rates,
we have buyers, but these are high-income buyers. We need more moderate income, first-time buyers
to get into the market. And that's where mortgage rates play much important role.
So if we want to establish American dream for more people, we need to assure that mortgage
rates steadily get slower. And part of that is reducing the budget deficit.
