Could Dave Gettleman save his job if Giants beat Cowboys in Week 17?

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teams last sunday they lost in a way that i think everybody just kind of assumed their season was over i wouldn't be surprised if in the locker room they felt that way maybe i mean they all talk about how they weren't paying attention to the game but um so then you go you go to the afternoon games and washington out of the gate is just getting killed and we're like all right well that that game we could we not even worth tracking anymore and the eagles come out and they look like they're gonna kill um the cowboys uh they they go up like 14-0 or whatever it is and then they they get blown out in the end um it was a really i know even for you specifically as you were writing about like the implications of whether the giants were eliminated or whether they were still in it like we were texting each other throughout it but that was uh that was an interesting evening wasn't it yeah i i had a story written actually that the giants were eliminated because they needed two things to happen for them to stay in the in the race and i had written previously all these items about how they would you know win a tiebreaker in the very situation that we're in now we're looking at right now uh that they're in um with every you know with all these teams finishing one one and one and one and the giants winning the division at six and ten and how they went with the three-way tiebreaker all the things that i wound up having to scramble to copy and paste into the story that got totally overhauled um but obviously it wasn't you know you could tell the cowboy game was tipping that way after a little while the eagle had kind of just reached the end of their rope uh this season and of course washington just completely listless with without uh without alex smith and uh dwayne haskins total disaster on every front uh not even on the team anymore yeah yeah yeah so uh here the giants are with a chance to win it at six and ten and and make the play host a playoff game which is like insane um i'm pretty sure that there's never been a six and ten division champion now this would be the first one and there's the first one and and so i think washington dallas and the giants uh their record at various points the season was bad enough that no team with that record has ever made the playoffs so the giants would be the first team to ever start one and seven and make it as well which i mean it's kind of it's always crazy when there's still records like that that are happening like 100 years into the nfl um but i mean it also makes sense when you think about how hard it is to come back from being one and seven you have to be in a historically bad division which they're in um and so they're still in it but like i mean we can we can use this as a chance to like talk about this last game because like they've looked bad the last three weeks um on both sides of the ball really i mean the defense you know they haven't been always been put in the best position by the offense i think a couple weeks ago they kept having the like the was it the cardinals or maybe it was the browns where the brands kept having the field position like at midfield because special teams kept messing up or you know they were turning it over or whatever um but yeah you know these last three weeks the offense has just been non-existent uh this last week the defense's weaknesses were exposed and patrick graham there was nothing that even he could do to scheme around it because the ravens they were like we're gonna run the ball down your throats and there's nothing you're going to be able to do about it and when they passed it they weren't getting pressure on them like the pass rusher like it almost emerged as like like you could i could i still probably think receiver is like the more impactful thing they need to get just in terms of like this is an offensive league and they can't score but like you can make the case that pass rusher is their biggest need this off season too i think major issue and steve wrote about it coming out of the game yeah exactly i mean just to beat there's a lot of mobile quarterbacks in the nfl now and you need to be able to have guys that can get in that can get off their blocks and you know the secondary they have some pieces back there but they're only as good as the front and the front leonard williams has kind of gotten invisible the last three weeks um and they just don't have the outside linebackers to rush the passer and you know blake martinez is fine but you know the other inside linebacker is mr irrelevant so like you their weaknesses like they were able to hide them for so long this season uh through schemes and you know being creative and they kind of just ran out of that and that they're kind of are who they are and it kind of just goes back to what we always talk about with dave gellman but like i based on what i've seen the last three weeks i have no reason to think they're going to be i know the cowboys are always liable to blow blow it but i've seen nothing to believe they can stop number one stop the cowboys offense which is average like 35 points a game last three weeks and number two that this offense can score on anybody even if the cowboys defense is as bad as it is yeah look i mean the giants have been bad on both sides of the ball the past three weeks the bottom line is they they have to win the people are fighting they have to win this game on sunday to even to even be yeah but yeah and even then they might not get in still yeah right of cour of course but they still have to do their part when and they haven't even come close to doing their part the past three weeks against the giants are playing are playing poorly i'll albeit against you know better competition than the cowboys the cowboys are playing quite well and they're and they're surging here and they're in the same you know three-game winning streak out against you know bengals niners eagles not great but we talked about this very situation i think a month ago five weeks ago you said it i mean look at he said you said look at the cowboy schedule down the stretch he's you know you were saying i think they might be able to late surge win the division and then maybe they will maybe they will and so that's where the giants are at they're not playing well on either side of the ball entering a game against a zeke elliott team and zeke elliott coming off his best game of the season he's had a down year the giants run defense coming off probably its worst game of the season against the ravens so this doesn't line up great for the giants because look i mean it's not like their offense is just playing poorly they they've been a disaster on defense the last three weeks they have not played any of these teams close so they're going to need a big time reversal of of those fortunes and they're going to need daniel jones to really have enough firepower to keep up with this cowboys offense because i don't see the giants defense limiting uh limiting even with andy dalton quarterback the cowboys offense to a slow day so uh that's that's sort of how i see it and of course if they don't win the game then the night game means nothing for them yeah i mean this is always the discussion around the cowboys like that everybody's picking them to win the division and they're a lot of people are picking them to be an nfc contender that obviously was overdone but it's because you look at the firepower they have on offense um like you you almost like just wonder like you know we'd actually be able to evaluate daniel jones if he had cowboys weapons i mean they spent a lot to get them you know they picked zeke elliott second overall or whatever it was or fourth or i think he was fourth um traded a first round pick for amari cooper drafted cd lamb in the first round they drafted michael gallup pretty early so they have the i mean dak prescott was supposed to be the quarterback and then he got hurt in that last giant scheme which feels like years ago at this point um but yeah like those are those are three wide receivers in a running back that you know the giants have a few talented defensive players but they can't cover everybody james bradberry can only cover one of those wide receivers the other one is going to be on isaac yayadam who's kind of come back down earth and you saw against the eagles um andy dalton did a good job of you know going away from their top he wasn't throwing towards darius slay he was throwing it towards their undrafted rookie that was starting so i imagine they're going to target whoever isaac yaidom is covering on sunday um i in the last time they played ryan lewis was a starter which like i remember that name like it feels like ages ago that he was a starter um and michael galb roasted him in that game so yeah i don't know i mean they need the only chance they have really that they get to the quarterback and they've shown no evidence they can do that no no but i think you know they and if you put it on the other side the only chance they have is if they score a lot of points yeah i really think that that's going to be a shootout yeah and then this team is not equipped to do that i mean i understand the cowboys defensively are no great shakes this year and and the giants did play them in a shootout in the first game um but i just don't see um that the giants would be yeah i feel like we're we're not we're completely discounting the giants chances in this game and maybe that's not fair because the cowboys are not a great team but again they're playing really well right now and the giants are not period the cowboys are playing really well right now the giants are not i mean that's what if the giants were playing washington in this game i think it's a totally different conversation and that well then he talked cowboys eagles was this week whatever anyway but i just think that this is the worst possible matchup at the worst possible time of any of these teams in the division right i mean wouldn't you agree i mean of course they'd love to be playing the eagles as doug peterson potentially walks the plank but um it's not a good matchup it's not not for the way they've been playing i mean but at the same time if this team considers wants to be a playoff team and wants to say we've made progress from the league like you have to beat you have to win a game that matters also and like so that they have every i think i think it would be fair to criticize you know joe judge you know he's had you have to consider all the talent the lack of talent he has on his roster and all that but like at a certain point they go into week 17 somehow still in it and they have a very all they have to do is win and then you know the rest hopefully takes care of itself but if you don't win then it's not even a discussion all of a sudden your five wins they could potentially still finish and last in the division which is kind of like one of the craziest uh you know storylines of this week is how you know and i wrote about this after sunday there are scenarios where they can either win the division or get the number three overall pick and i i can't imagine that's ever happened in the history of the nfl going i mean the scenarios are wow where they need like six bad teams to win and they have to lose so it's not going to happen but the idea that like that even is like on the table is just absolutely bonkers i mean we talked about this i mean 19 is the pick if you are the worst team and lose in the in the first round um obviously if you win a game in the playoffs you move up further i mean the giants right now are eighth at five and ten so um yeah that's a crazy piece of trivia yeah i mean and that kind of goes into the discussion i did want to have a little bit on here because i've seen it a lot on social media um it kind of goes into the idea you know a lot of teams deal with it this time of the year like the benefit of either losing last game and getting a better draft pick or trying to win and hoping for the best or whatever um you know i think it's a very interesting discussion because this is a team that's been such a loser for so long i understand why a lot of fans want to win um i i like they're obviously not going to go out and lose on purpose that's just not how the joe judge for sure is wired and i don't think the organization would i mean they weren't even trying to lose for years when they should have been more intensely trying to lose so that's not gonna happen but like i i would say for the future of this franchise they probably still would be better off uh getting a better draft pick yeah because i do think there are some reasons for optimism going forward um certainly playing the playoffs would be a positive but if you go to the playoffs and get killed i don't really know how beneficial that is because i think they would play the buccaneers as of now maybe um i mean i mean the storyline of tom brady playing the giants is too rich and they probably i don't know some crazy stuff will probably happen but um for yeah i don't know i i think you've seen enough positive momentum with joe judge and this staff um and you kind of know what your your needs are that i think you go in this off season you have really good graphics so you can use that to fill one of the needs and then some of the money that you you build up from cutting some guys you use on the other need and i think you're in pretty good shape i mean you can still get a very good player at 19 certainly and i've seen people argue that too but you also like the the odds of you getting a great player decrease as you get further down in the order that's that's just kind of like a historical fact so um i would say like the worst case scenario is probably that they win and then washington wins so they don't get in anyway so then they don't have as good of a draft because they could have or whatever but i don't know what what what is your kind of take on that hole well i think it depends on what you think of dave gottleman if you think yeah dave gettleman i mean if they make the playoffs that's part of it too by the way yeah like that what does it mean for his job security and that's going to have long lasting implications for the organization because it all right so for instance say say you like dave gettleman say you think that you think he can be the guy or you can kind of take it or leave it with him right um and you say all right you know they make the playoffs then obviously he stays right he's not gonna get fired if they make the playoffs um if he stays you're talking about gentlemen going into what uh his fourth year um and will you know are they gonna have to give him a year you know extend his contract by a year but that's another offseason where he's shaping your roster for the future these are these are long-term implication decisions that he'll be making um so yeah i mean it's it if you if you if the giants make the playoffs and pick say 19th and go one and done in the playoffs it's not just that implication of it it's it's dave gettleman staying and if you don't think he's the right guy then you know obviously you wouldn't like to see him stay and so so what do you you know would you like to see the giants make the playoffs at six and ten lose in the first round pick nineteenth have gettleman stay tuned i think if you don't like gentlemen that's the worst possible scenario right because who can it's one game in the playoffs now of course the optimism in any fam would be hey get in make some noise of course if the giants make a run and even win a game in the playoffs yeah i think something you know you could look at that and say wow really impressive um but you know and of course once you're in you have a shot at anything but i think that's you know where we're getting way ahead of ourselves so it's the gettleman factor two here in addition to the draft pick and and i've always thought this when it comes to like i i would hope that behind the scenes and organizations that they're not basing on one game like that seems insane to me like if you're right so if you're so close to firing a guy that the one game at the end of the season is going to decide whether you keep him or not then you should not keep him like inject with coaches or whatever it may be like you need to look at the whole picture you need to look at if okay if you want to based on this whole season i get that like if you want to say okay over the course of this whole season we saw some things that we're optimistic about going forward i don't know if i would agree with that necessarily from gentleman's perspective but like i could see mara making that argument and he might very mill very well might make that argument this offseason i would be shocked though if they if they say they went six and ten they lost and they went one and done in the playoffs i would be shocked if he was fired wouldn't you yeah yeah that that's what i mean though like that that's i mean they'll hang their hat on the fact that they made the playoffs but they tripped into the i playoffs i think he's i don't think he'll get fired but yeah um i i lean in general towards him not getting fired at this point um just because like just the narrative around the team uh like within the team i mean it just seems like um he's getting a lot of credit for the positive when i when i think and i think you agree that they would be in better shape if he had done a better job so of course he's like they lost like five games by less than 10 points they would have won at least one or two of those if a few of his mistakes aren't you know the one thing about ghetto i mean it's easy to forget his mistakes because so many of them are not around anymore it's easy to get a soldier he's not here yeah it's easy to forget deandre baker because he's not you know he's in on the practice squad with the chiefs but he's not these guys aren't even present on nfl on sundays in the nfl right so obviously golden tate you know was a mistake and he's still with the giants it's easy to forget alec oil tree another guy who is not in the league so these guys are kind of i took omame or however you say it jonathan stewart yeah all these all those moves that he made 2018 has the offseason of 2018 set back this franchise like multiple years and then but but then it's people have these short memories right and um you know some people do i'm sure you know thinking giant fans look at this and say you know i don't forget deandre baker i don't forget i don't forget i mean i think they're i think they're i think more fans than not still one gentleman gun but i think like so i've seen like fans fighting with each other about like i want do i want them to win because it means gentleman is going to stay or do i want them to lose because it means he's going to go like i want to go to the playoffs yeah um i mean i could like again i've seen people report and i don't think the giants really let this stuff out so i don't know if i believe all the i think i don't know i think the only person that knows what's going to happen is john mara and steve tish and maybe joe judge has some input in there um i i i don't get the sense that they're the type of organization that like even has made a decision yet necessarily but um yeah like i've seen stuff about like you know you've got they've gone being reassigned or retiring i don't see him retiring um so i don't know maybe this is last year next year and use next year where you say all right we'll get a better offense around them and then this will be the year we evaluate i mean like john mayer kind of like laid the groundwork in his preseason press conference about how you have to adjust your evaluation because of the covet situation and i get that to a degree um and gentlemen had a better off season but like still his mistakes were still glaring like the fact they didn't add any receivers like if he had added the wrong receiver like okay at least he tried but he didn't have any wide receivers they only signed tyler fakhrell and drafted ed rusher in the seventh round like these are two like two of the most important positions because it's a passing league so i i don't know i i i he deserves praise for bradbury martinez slogan ryan whatever but like the only were able to sign logan ryan because this holiday season treat yourself treat yourself to candy celebrate the holiday season with the holiday crush they've sprinkled candy with a holiday theme and fun packed challenges every week for five whole weeks finishing on january 4th the more challenges you complete the better your chances of unwrapping delicious rewards so are you ready to crush the holidays play the holiday crush now download it from the app store google play or windows store for free terms and conditions apply they've sold or opted out so right and i guess with gettlemen you know i think the retiring thing would it would look so weird and lame you know like no one would believe that he actually yeah he retired this year when he was in on the hot seat um you know i think after if it's next year and it's another year and they don't play well i'm sure people will say that too but i mean he'll be a year old or whatever but you know he made it very clear entering the season that he he was full of energy and wanted to prove prove people wrong and the giants made it very clear that he was on the hot seat so i mean if it comes out that he retires and maybe he would would but no one would look at it like that or no one would would believe that he actually retired they would say he was forced out i mean if you're getting men and they're gonna fire you or say oh we're gonna let you retire i would say fire me don't make me look like a fool yeah because i don't want i don't want to retire you know what i mean like i like the whole that's kind of like the whole like john mayer they like treating their own as well as they can or whatever kind of thing so sure and that's why i think ultimately he will be back i think that's part of it you know long-standing relationship demerits uh john mayer and steve titian and dave gottleman i think um they like him and uh he's given him enough he's given him enough to sit to stay yeah like he had off season he showed improvement i think john mayer had the quote where he needs to improve his batting average he has but he was below the mendoza line before that so right and now he's you know i don't know what to do my baseball knowledge is slipping so yeah i haven't paid as much attention i i think you know yeah he's given them enough from from their perspective i think from our perspective we would say no he hasn't and he should be fired but i think if you're mara you can you can explain it away without without the without i guess the pitchforks are going to come out right anyway but i think you can there's enough there for mara to spin and justify keeping them uh i i think what's going on so i think they're they're gonna need a scapegoat for how bad the offense was and it's pretty clearly going to be jason garrett you would think whether that's fair to a guy he's definitely left a lot to be desired but they also didn't give him enough talent like that's just the reality so like i mean he they probably need a new officer coordinator in here anyway um i imagine joe judge is the type that is going to be willing to make changes every year i think bill belichick was like that too um so i mean we've talked plenty about garrett but so to bring it back to gettlemen um and we tied this in like so one of the biggest news items uh of the last week was logan ryan kind of surprising to me um signed a three-year deal worth 31 million dollars to stay here for a long term and this kind of ties in the gentleman thing because then it begs the question of like who's making these decisions if he's on the hot seat or whatever um my impression about this was i i i would guess that um just based on everything i know about logan and about joe judge that joe judge really probably pushed for this uh logan said that the giants approached him and asked him if that he wanted to stay at the giants band this year logan said he said yes then they offered him pretty much the exact contract he was looking for a free agency that nobody has given him um he's talked a lot over the last week about how he never felt like a team you know gave him the respect he deserved until the giants and this is a guy who won super bowls with the patriots so um i thought that was interesting but like i was definitely surprised by this i think it makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways i can see the positives and the positives being that he's so important to what they've been able to do this year he's a leader um he's a good player that can play a lot of spots the downside is that he's 30. he's gonna be one of the ten highest paid safeties in the league and now they're not going to be able to keep one of leonard williams and dalvin thompson like what side do you fall on positive or negative here i mean he's a good guy he's a locker room leader i mean look we don't know if he's a good guy he seems like a good guy uh he's a locker room leader he's going to be 30 like you said going into next season this is a young roster that needs veteran presence i you know that's all very important um so you know i don't think it's it's wholly positive or wholly negative i i haven't seen any of the full details come out of that yeah i think a lot of it has to do with what like the cap what the cap it is in 2021 is a big part of it yeah and and really what what the i mean it's three years 31 million it's not three years 31 million everyone knows that this is not how contracts work like they can probably get out of it after two years already surely oh my god obviously definitely they'd be able to get out of that for two years um that's probably what it really is it's a two-year whatever deal with a dead with a small dead cap in year three so what's what's the real how do they structure the signing bonus how do they structure the guaranteed money i mean however you slice it you can't hide all that money so it is a sizable contract no matter how you slice it you're talking about a guy who is i looked it up just now he's 42nd in pff's uh safety ratings this year among safeties who have played 50 of the snaps 42 well tyron matthews 41 so i guess he's not having a great year but uh and jibril pepper is 39 so then again jamal adams 38 right so um i don't know that these pff rankings are not gospel um marcus may is third he's having a great year so that that's reflective in that but i don't know if that you know i think it's just a lot of money for a guy for number one for a guy that old a guy who's he's a fine guy right but he's not a great player period he's not he's good he's great yeah i think he's he's a slightly above average starting nfl player and the for the giants could they do better than that if they went if they got let him walk and then tried to replace him in the off season that's what i think dave got him and looked at and said maybe we can't do better than this but you know it's like with free agency though they're overpaying them very clearly over paying them and that's kind of the thing that people don't realize sometimes the free agency is in order to get somebody you have to overpay them like that that's how you get somebody to sign with you and that's basically what they did here you know and he i think he clearly was a guy that values himself very highly he says that um and like he didn't get the money he wanted this last offseason so he didn't sign with anyone um i don't i would have been curious to see what his market would have been especially with the reduced cap um which is the only reason why i was like hesitant about whether they should have done it this early but like at the same time if they value him this much you want to get it before he gets free agency and i think you know if if they don't i think you'll be able to kind of tell uh who they value more out of leonard williams and dowling tomlinson basically they can't sign williams right now because he's on the franchise tag so if they were to go and extend dalvin tomlinson before the end of the season or you know before march then that kind of means that they've moved on from leonard so i that's going to be one of the more interesting things i've seen because like on one hand leonard you know obviously had a great year but it's a contract a year and he has a history of not getting sacks he finally got them this year his contract year he's gonna demand 18 to 22 million dollars is what somebody uh talked to recently told me um that's a lot of money to hand out and whereas i i've heard like like 10 to 14 million range for dalvin so if you you know you i decide do i want to sign leonard and not be able to sign as many other guys or do i want to sign dalvin and use like that six million extra to go and get a starter on defense or something and and the giants are middle of the pack and cap space for 2021 in a pinched year obviously there's teams that are in disaster situations cap wise but um it's not like the giants have a lot of cap space which is why it gets back to the good point you made earlier there it depends on how the 2021 cap looks for that logan ryan deal that'll go a long way toward you know the [ __ ] on that kind of right now i think i think over the cap has them at like 16 million for next year so if you okay so if it's around that so the it's 31 million over three years so if they can get that first year at like i don't know hopefully they can get it at six million dollars eight million you you would hope that they don't didn't front load it that would be a very bad idea um and so that that'll kind of play a big part like really in layman's terms for people to kind of understand how it works they would just backload the salaries so that what they probably would do is give them a small amount like they'd give them a signing bonus and that's prorated over the life of the contract and then they'd probably be a small fully guaranteed salary for the first year and then maybe there's some like monster salary in the last year that's not guaranteed so it's not even real real money for the yeah you know the only lingering loose end in that last year would be whatever his signing bonus proration would be so salary cap the nfl is insane because no whatever number you see like it it's not real no it's describe the salary cap whatever you're looking at like it is just like a breakdown in reality and like it's so easily changed like teams restructure deals to get more money and they shuffle a bonus here and everybody like pl praises a guy reshuffling his deal but in reality he just got his money quicker like because it's like a bonus like interesting and that's why they're they're in a tough spot with him because they restructured his contract over the first year and thinking you know wow you know this guy's pretty good whatever we didn't and then of course he went in the tank and now they're stuck with them so there's and then he opted out yeah there's problems on both sides of that with with restructuring if you're a player and you you know obviously guys do take pay cuts but it doesn't happen as often as guys restructuring their contract which just still means that like you said you're getting the same amount of money you're just getting at a different time so um and it's all it's purely a cap related thing but for for a straight up contract like logan ryan got i would be curious to see if for the purposes of this contract because it is a three-year contract it it looks like it they don't count 2020 as part of the contract um but yeah i'm not sure i i guess they and maybe they in theory could spread the bonus out over four years technically call it a four-year deal in that case yeah and that would be smart to do that yeah i mean i mean they haven't officially like i haven't seen the official contract numbers anywhere they did announce the signing already so um so i wonder if that's why they did it right now so they can kind of spread it out with quincy and nino a couple years ago which was an insanely idiotic contract but for the purposes of app they signed him before the end of the year so they could spread out his signing bonus over four years instead of three years so with logan ryan if if this really is a contract through 2023 but they term it as a four-year deal then that will let them spread out his signing bonus over four years in terms of a proration so that could that could help things considerably um because you know you're at the end of the year here the giants um you can you don't the cap space you're having in 2020 you could say you might as well use it you can roll it over of course the 2021 that's the other thing so the so it's just however you want to use the cap space and moving it around but it's not like you can really fool the numbers all that much but um i'll be interested to see how they structure it because a lot of times when a guy does sign before the end of the year they do allow that to happen with with the signing bonus proration being on the current year as well yeah exactly um all right before we go we should we did talk a little bit about what we think how this is going to play out on sunday we're not it sounds like we're not both overly optimistic um i didn't submit my my pick just yet like i always wait till the end of the week but um because i think i just don't see how the cow the cow giants can stop that cowboys offense and and that they definitely can't match them scoring i think i'm gonna have it something like 30 the 17 cowboys win yeah i'm looking it up right now what i sent you earlier in the week um look i think if you the one thing we didn't touch on that we did in general but the last three weeks the giants have lost 26 to 7 20 to 6 and 27 to 13. they've gotten spanked three again by better teams than the cowboys but they've gotten spanked three weeks in a row that has to concern giant fans i mean i'm sure it does um i've got in this game 27 10 for the cowboys i i don't see any way that all of a sudden daniel jones and this offense is going to become this juggernaut that can keep pace with the cowboys and on the other hand i don't see any way the giants keep the cowboys offense under say 21-24 um i mean you think jones in this offense can score 30 no way right it so fun today uh a wednesday when we're recording this um daniel jones like i don't know if this was on purpose like as a strategy to trick the cowboys or if joe judge is going to flip out at him but danny jones was like yeah i mean if you just watch the film i haven't been able to to move around at all we've mostly been stuck in the pocket and that's probably what it's going to be like this week like it was the most honest thing i've ever said and like it and somebody followed up to like just to make sure and he's like yeah uh you know we just haven't been i just haven't been able to move so until i'm healthy it'll probably just be in the pocket i'm just like that doesn't seem like something judge would won out there unless he told him to say it so yeah exact opposite but the one thing that is true and he still can't move then that reduces my confidence in this offense significantly so it's interesting you mentioned that because i noticed the injury report that came out tonight yeah he was a full participant number one and number two he is no longer listed on there with the uh with the ankle injury it's just the hamstring injury now so jones is saying this in one moment on wednesday uh i'll probably still be limited and what the injury report tells us is he's actually getting considerably healthier now the hamstring is a nagging issue it sounds like the ankle wasn't that big of a deal considering it's not even listed on the injury report anymore which means he's not getting treatment for it so maybe it's a ruse i don't know but uh i think they're gonna need more than a little it was just so strange i mean you've been on a lot of daniel john's conference calls he's not someone who gives away anything you could ask him hey what what uh what color is this guy right now jen he's like oh i don't know you know whatever it usually is like that that's all we would get from like he's not someone who gives out information so just even just like reading back the quotes i was just like all right uh this this seems interesting that's part of the great plan watch him not even be on the injury report tomorrow or what he's like bench because joe's like we don't give that information so i i i think no matter what they they do gamesmanship or whatever or brutal honesty i'm sure the cowboys expect him to be to be limited yeah and that's that's also like it could i mean maybe it's just him saying that and then the cowboys over he thinks that cowboys overcompensate based on his one quote but i don't know right and i'm sure this they're preparing for him to be to be not himself but but with the knowledge that when when this guy is mobile he's really you know that he's really can be really effective so uh you know like an another week where i'd be shocked if they if they we said this last week i would be shocked if they won they they didn't win we picked them to we picked the other games to not go in their favor and they did um but this is a week where they're going to actually have to do something finally after three straight losses like everybody always was saying well they're still in the race when they were losing and now if they lose it's over so they have to win like so uh that's what makes it you know but that's you know i think that's what makes this week fascinating is they can't back in some of these teams can back in this week um and i think it makes it fascinating that they're not going to be able to and i think they probably have it no other way and to ask to get into the playoffs at 5 and 11 is pure insanity but so so would be a lot of people would have thought 6 and 10 would be but the years have been pure insanity in every way anyway so well and so the fight so i thought i found this kind of funny so like there was the quote from john mayer where he's like we want to be playing meaningful football in december and somebody tweeted i'm like well he didn't say that they uh wanted to be playing meaningful football in january so this doesn't necessarily follow he didn't say that they wanted to be playing well while playing meaningful football meaningful games they're not playing well but yeah that's a great point actually so yeah so we can wrap up on that note um just a week from now this podcast could go one of two ways we could be previewing a playoff game or we could be talking about you know the season in review and looking ahead to the off season um i've i mean i i'm not i'm tired of guessing what's going to happen because it always goes the opposite of what i think so and what about the night game do you think that washington wins or not yeah i just don't the eagles have i mean i guess the eagles could play spoiler um but the eagles aren't a team that has played with a whole lot of energy or motivation all year and i just don't see them on a sunday night after sitting on their butts all day or their season's over um and you know i mean they've just been a mess all year like i i just don't see how they can go out and be i mean washington is also kind of a mess but if alex smith plays i'd say i think it's it's a mute point if you will uh uh you you think that you know it doesn't matter it winds up not mattering washington wins wins the division that's right yeah exactly so yeah if alex smith is a quarterback and like if it's terrible heineken um maybe the eagles have a chance i think i think that washington loses if he's the quarterback if smith is a quarterback they win and then so it's i think it's cowboys heineken cowboys smith washington there you go all right not giants is what we both say so certainly to despite us you listen to this podcast um we'll wrap it up there thanks for listening guys uh as always leave us some reviews subscribe and uh we'll hit you back with another episode next week uh and we have no idea what the context will be yet thanks for listening [Music] this holiday season treat yourself treat yourself to candy celebrate the holiday season with the holiday crush they've sprinkled candy with a holiday theme and fun packed challenges every week for five whole weeks finishing on january 4th the more challenges you complete the better your chances of unwrapping delicious rewards so are you ready to crush the holidays play the holiday crush now download it from the app store google play or windows store for free terms and conditions apply