🥇 SAKO TRG42 [🇫🇮Arctic Sniper] to 1,000yds: Practical Accuracy

This video is brought to you by Slate Black Industries. For grips and accessories visit slateblackindustries.com So we haven't got Josh today but we have my friend Steve. Hello. And in this lovely Finnish afternoon we shall see how this Finnish rifle does in my lovely M05. Shout out to the boys and girls at Varusteleka. Ready? All right I'm on at 100. 100. Okay silhouette on the right of the IPSC? Yep. Or IDPA? Yep. Impact. Target neutralized. Oh there's some some target papers around there huh? Oh yeah. All right on at 200. 200. Which one? I'm on the right side target. Right side target you say? Yep. Stand by. Ready? Impact. Nice same spot. All right. Okay looks like it's uh pushing to the right just a little bit. I wonder how much of that has to do with a mirage band? All right I'm on at 300. 300. Nice. Yeah it's uh it's grouping just a smidge off to the right huh? Yep. Impact. Same spot. I didn't center it up a little bit unfortunately. Okay. Wow it's getting loud huh? Yeah storm's rolling in. Especially the lightning. All right I'm on at 400. 400. Impact. Right side? Right side yep. Pretty much yeah right or center. Okay let me see. Stand by let me uh. Gotcha. Looks like I could come 0.2 to the left. Impact. Center nice. Okay. So uh today we're shooting a um this type of Sako TRG ammo. And I've never actually shot this grainage. And I've never actually shot 175 and 300 windbag. I mean that's usually my my weight for 308. So it's screaming downrange at a 3140-ish type of uh feet per second speed. So we'll see. We'll see how it does with the rest of the course. All right I'm there at 500. You can still see? I can still see. Impact. Whoa center. Impact right below center. Same spot man. These cartridges are actually pretty freaking lethal. That's scary. All right so that was 500. Basically touching. All right I'm on at 600. Five six. Clean targets on the left side. Stand by. I hope people can hear how loud it is in here. Yeah the thunder and the lightning flashes. Impact. Nice. Stand by. Nice center shot. Impact. Okay that's really good man. That is really really really good. All right I'm on at 700. 700 the humanoid? Yep. Impact. I saw it on the right side. Impact. That was on his left shirt. All right wow. Yeah so far pretty freaking lethal after 700. Let's do a pause x real quick just to let the barrel not cook through the roof. Gotcha. All right we'll be right back. We'll let the barrel cool down just a little bit. All right I'm getting this on film like I don't know if we could. You couldn't even see with a schmittenbender? Yeah look at this. Look at this like it's just. You can see the 700. You can see eight and nine. Like you could see the silhouette of it but you just you can't really spot where it's hitting. Could you see it earlier? Was it like this earlier? Oh no this is like the rain's really hard now. Yeah so okay we're here. Thanks. We'll have to wait I guess huh? That's awesome. All right ladies and gentlemen we were supposed to just pause for the barrel but we ended up having to pause for the finished weather that blew in. Heavy rains and so you'll see that the target cam is a little more cloudy. But I think we're ready to go. You ready? All right I'm on it. 700 no 800. Let's see. Going ready. That looks centered. Centered? Yeah. Impact. Nice. 800 I was just at 4.8 mils. That's almost like half of the adjustment you need for 308. This is with 175 grain 300 windbag. Essentially pushing what's supposed to be 2,600 feet per second out to 3,100-3,200 feet per second. Okay 5.9 900. All right oh stand by. Impact on his left shoulder. Left shoulder? Yep. Impact same spot right below the same spot. So left shoulder? Yep. Okay let me know when the next one is ready sir. All right. See the right one. The right one? All right. All right I'm there go ahead when ready. Okay stand by. Impact off his left side of the body. Left side of the body? How's elevation? Elevation looks good. Nice stacked. Nice and there we have it. The TRG-42 in 300 wind mag shooting proper finished TRG ammunition with a POS-X in between for the barrel to cool down. Yielded a perfect score Steve. Nice. The first time you spot for me you witnessed a perfect score. Excellent but you know what that means when we have a perfect score. That means I have to get back to the editing table. Yes but no we're talking about the thunder round. Oh yes yes. The 1000 yard thunder round. So you ready to do this? Push it at a thousand? Gotcha. All right going ready. Okay stand by. Barrel's getting toasty. This is not what you're supposed to do with magnums. We won't go. You ready? I'm ready. Impact. Oof nice. So what do you think? Uh first rifle you spot for me Steve. What did you think? Does it does it does it add up? Does it rival the AI-AW? The AW well it's it's crazy how how good it is. I mean so look for the audience out there the TRG-42 for a long time has always been the rival here bring bring me the AW. There you go. So the TRG-42 and the AW for a long time these two have been dead rivals against one another. Now this is an AW-308 so we're not talking about the same class of rifle. We're not talking about the same class of rifle obviously. But what makes a TRG-42 so freaking awesome right? The barrel. The barrel is the heart of it. Um I think your foot's in frame. So I will put this guy right here since I'm talking to you guys now. So the TRG-42 what makes this so freaking good? If you look at the design um the TRG-42 this is a standard model. Uh we have a folding stock TRG-22 we'll bring on the show later. But on the standard model this is a standard stock. Stock angle is just like the AI really nice. But unlike the AI it's not a thumbhole stock. As a shooter I this may be sacrilege I like the TRG angle a little more than the AI. The smooth bolt it is unrivaled. This is glass. The barrel. Premium barrel. Unfortunately this barrel was fluted by the previous user. So I have to give it a light slight pause X in between shots. Or in between long strings so it doesn't overheat. The muzzle brake negates a lot of the recoil. And the bipod is phenomenal on the TRGs. You'll see it's got a high apex meaning the triangle is terminating up here. So you can actually stretch this out even farther. And get a super super wide uh bipod footprint. To work in some even more unknown environments. All in all let's be real. We know the Finns are really good at designing rifles. We know the Finns are target shooters. So they design rifles with a basis for accuracy. And the TRG-42 as the service sniper rifle. That rivals the Accuracy International AW. Absolutely holds its own in that uh reputation. And so without further ado Steve do you have anything to add? Well all I've got left is I guess the debrief. Yep we'll see you guys at the debrief. Shit yeah dude Steve. Well hello there. You just caught me admiring some of the world's finest heavy metal from Finland. I hope you're enjoying the show so far. Shows like this they're brought to you by Slate Black Industries. But more importantly we have the support the patrons of Patreon. That's right this magnificent group of men and women. They support us financially, intellectually, but most importantly emotionally. So I'd like to invite you come join us become one of us. Together we'll forge in deeper into research of small arms technology. But if you cannot that's all right. We'd be just as happy to see a comment from you in the comment section below. But for now let's get on with it. All right let's let's bring this big boy out. Here we go. Was it covered in dust? No I'm getting over I'm getting over uh a cold so. But still that is a monstrous looking rifle isn't it? That's one of these ones that that looks like an anti-tank rifle like. It's funny because the TRG-42 when you see it in photos there's with there's nobody behind it. It doesn't I mean it doesn't look that bad it just looks like a normal rifle. But then you realize when you you know quickly realize when you put yourself right next to it. This is like this is how big. All right here we go ready yeah. And ladies and gentlemen welcome into the debrief. We might leave that little bit in there. This thing is a monster and that was the TRG-42 300 win mag run that Henry absolutely crushed. In inclement weather hard probably hard to see what was happening just as a sheer factor of like. You know it's harder to spot stuff in rain through your own optic I would imagine. Especially given you'd see on the video even the camera was having trouble focusing. There was so much going on uh downrange. But you killed it and frankly like stack them up that was a uh a crazy good run. Yeah so I have to say I really appreciate Josh's spotting. Nothing against Steve our friend over there helping out. But when I get the feedback Josh and I have worked together on this type of stuff a long time. Josh knows what I'm looking for. He knows the inputs that that helps me succeed. So lacking that and still being able to work in inclement weather. With minimal adjustments to it. I mean it says a lot about the rifle or what it is. But we are also looking at at the time of performance. We are also looking at factory ammunition that's designed to work in the TRG-42s. We're looking at really good glass. Now I've since updated it to really really really good glass. With the the infamous German booby on it. We're also looking at you know I was I was in really I felt that I was in good shooting condition that day. My mind was clear and I knew to sort of I mean even though we had a pause in the middle. Initially we were thinking for heat reasons I mean even if it weren't for heat reasons. We would have to pause anyways due to the amount of rain that we had received at that moment. A good old Texas monsoon. Yeah so everything put together. You know great rifle. Phenomenal ammunition. Which we'll talk about the fins making 175 grain. 300 wind mag shooting at 3400 feet per second in a bit. That is interesting. Paired with really good glass. And I would say this actually this optic was out there that day too. That's a topic that we'll get into. Good glass versus moderate glass. This is what you see. This is essentially what you see. And then on top of that to see the bonus round. Five shots where I was just you know. Rush B no stop. I was pretty floored. Because that was nearly half the time it took for me to shoot 6.5, 55, and 6.5 Creed. On the bonus rounds for those. And a lot of that had to do with this with the Mirage band. But it feels like it's being it's been neglected in the U.S. though. You know it's one of those rifles in Europe that is you know forced to be reckoned with. But then in the states like people know Sako for its hunting prowess. But people don't really talk about the TRG-42 when overseas this is the main competitor to the other Green Meanie. The original Green Meanie. The Accuracy International. Yeah I think that that's a fair assessment. Like to be honest until you brought in the 42 and the 22. I really didn't know anything about them. I remember you were super excited and I was like okay. But you got to talk to me about what's the history behind this thing. And why is it so awesome that you got one. Which is probably a great segue for you to do that right now. Tell the story that you told me. All right so the TRG-42. The other Green Meanie. So initially you have the Arctic Warfare right. That made a huge splash. Took the British contract. Took the Swedish contract as a main sniper rifle. The Finns are no slouch in shooting techniques. Sniper techniques to be exact. Ain't that the truth. And of the things though with Finnish tradition. A lot of the Finnish weapon systems were derivations of Russian systems. You've got your RK series. The SAKO series AKs that were obviously derivations of the Kalashnikov series. Which is also the inspiration towards the Galil systems. On the other side the Mosins were to a small extent turned into precision rifles. Sniper rifles and Finnish service. In the 80s and the 90s they started looking at developing an actual ground stand up from the ground sniper rifle. Specifically a chassis based sniper rifle much like the Arctic Warfare. Now this inside is a chassis. It's held in by four screws. And of those four screws if you want to remove the back screw and take the stock off. You can pop a folding stock on there. So unlike the Arctic Warfare it is quickly changeable to a folding stock configuration. On top of that this may be sacrilege. But of the two systems this bolt Josh is nasty clean. I mean the throw on this thing if you couldn't tell on the bonus round is just butter smooth. So easy absolutely crazy for a magnum bolt action sniper rifle. But taking the context this was the 90s 80s and the 90s that this thing was designed. Late 80s. So it was also designed specifically the 42 was designed to run the big 338 Lapua magnum. So the Finns basically put all of those ingredients together. And they put a really potent cartridge. 338 is a Finnish cartridge. Together with an amazing chassis system. Phenomenal trigger these this is a gen 1. So it has the best trigger of any TRG-42 out there. They added some safety redundancy. Nonsense. Safety systems that I think were really unnecessary. And then at the end the bolt throw. And it's also a magazine fed system. Which was not a norm for sniper rifles predating the 80s and the 90s. So all of these things put together really put a an amazing contender. That could balance the scale against the arctic warfare quite a bit. Now people may not realize this. There are a certain amount of serious European countries. Who run these things as sniper rifles. Obviously the Finns use the TRG system instead of the arctic warfare. But then because Beretta group had acquired SACO. The Italians their snipers their alpine snipers also run the TRG-42 series. The Swiss and the Swiss special forces are famous for running. TRG-42 series. The series itself is well known in Europe. Well respected in Europe. But for some reason it must be something to do with marketing in the states. It just doesn't resonate much at all. So when I ended up getting the TRG-42. I was super excited and I had to tell Josh about it. Unbeknownst to me however. This TRG-42 had issues. Which is why it was so cheap when I bought it. So what issues did it have Henry? It wasn't first of all it wasn't so cheap. These gen 1 TRG-42s are not very available. So even though it was relatively cheap. It was not cheap whatsoever. So first of all. It did not come with an original muzzle brake. And I was like ah you know. You know Bubba may have just changed it out to run his own suppressor. He did. He re-threaded the barrel 5.824. So I bought a Finnish muzzle brake on it and it just. So immediately turns out homeboy had been wrenching on the barrel. And then that was even more apparent when I looked down. Has flutes on the barrel. The Finns didn't flute their barrels. And even even if they did. These are like super shallow flutes that don't really do anything. Aesthetic. An aesthetic choice. On top of that he had improved the scope rail. By using an aftermarket rail that he just drilled holes into. And bolted it to the top of the receiver. A magnum rifle. With a scope rail. Being held with two little chintzy Remington 700 style scope rail screws. So Henry this was a bit of a rescue. More. There is more Josh. Oh no. He decided to take the bolt handle out here. This these bolt handles are fantastic because they stick out a little more. And they're straight bolt handles. So you get really good leverage when you're cycling it. And it clears everything. Scope mounts and everything. He decided to bend the scope handle all the way to where it was touching the chassis. Or the stock. Why would you do that? Make it less snaggy. Maybe it snagged less when he was going on tactical hunts. So after a period of months gathering parts. And I did work with Sako on some of the parts. Specifically the bolt handle. Because they don't exist in America. I finally got it to original form. You know like the original as issued. Oh on top of this. He had a night vision mount right here. The pick rail mount. But he had removed all of the internal stuff for me to mount a bipod. Which is like the signature piece to the TRG-42. And so yeah. It was cheap for what it was. But unfortunately after I had to do all the rescue it was no longer cheap. But clearly exceptionally shootable rifle. Now that it has been restored to its appropriate form. Granted you're still shooting the barrel that was fluted. Now I remember specifically. And this is a great opportunity to talk about this. This wasn't our first run on the course. In fact we'll actually. I think we're going to upload the original run to History of Weapons of War. As well as our Patreon. For those who want to watch the raw run of the first time we took this out. Where we noticed what we thought was issues with heat shift. As the rifle was heating up. We've since made a bunch of adjustments to the rifle. Including the ammo. Including the addition of mirage band. Including a number of pieces. But that initial observation caused us to discuss that at further length. Because we also had the same observation with my Remington 700 and 300 Win Mag. And so we talked about that in another video on this channel. Which is if you guys aren't like religiously watching every single one of our videos. It's a one of our range talk episodes on magnums. Where we talk about experiencing or seeing that once these rifles heat up. Some of them tend to have heat shift issues. Or at least we've recognized that to be potentially true. Now specifically on the second run though. After the run I did a heat test on this rifle. With the adjustments made for the second run. No heat shift. But it was interesting to me to see in the comments. So still no heat shift. Yes. In the comments of the magnum range talk video. People were adamant that the heat shift that we were hypothesizing. That we wanted to test more for that gun. Was absolutely because of the fluting. Absolutely because of the aftermarket fluting. Which of course it was not right. So again like we have because it doesn't exist. And the aftermarket fluting is still there. So again I think that that's something you should cover off in a separate session. But one of the major adjustments that we made from run to run. Was adjusting the ammunition. Why don't you talk through that particular piece. And how you it may have impacted what we were saying. So the ammunition itself is. It was really interesting. Because when I talked to Sako to ask. Because the Sako TRG-42 has such a reputation of being. You know it's not it's not bomb proof like the arctic warfare magnum is. But the arctic warfare is so incredibly overbuilt. Like you could throw that stuff off of helicopters and they would still work. It's just a little bit over. This is still ruggedized for a military application. Don't get me wrong. But it also is significantly lighter than an arctic warfare. I mean I think you remember handling it. It feels like just an it is long it is very long. But the weight wise especially with a fixed stock. It feels like a normal precision rifle. It's a big precision rifle. And it feels like that. But it doesn't like the AI system. Especially some of the original like the OG ones that you have. That this would be being compared to. Feel materially heavier. Yes now here's the interesting thing. When essentially what Sako did. They loaded their 300 win mags. And again this was originally designed for 338. So when they went back and tailored. And I was I thought it was weird. When I looked at their offering for 300 win mag. And they were saying that oh it's designed for the TRG system. It's 175 grain. Which is not a usual loading for us. Now the projectiles are Lapua scanars. Scanar L's. So they are it is a different shape from the Sierra Matchking. That said I'm pushing nearly 3200 feet per second. With these things. Which for people out there. That is the speed of a 55 grain XM193 going out of an M16A2. That weighs. That weighs less than a third. This is 3.5 times the mass of an XM193 going the same speed. And so what are we normally shooting Henry out of 300 win mags? I know you and I actually shoot a different projectile. So I had standardized on the US standard load. The 190 grain Mark 248 mod zeros. The mod zeros are 190 grains. And you typically shoot more mod one weight. Which is it requires a specialized system. Because it's over pressuring the system. With the mod ones. And you shoot the mod ones that are usually 220s. Yeah 215s, 220s. The ones I actually shot are actually discontinued now. RIP. They were burgers and they got discontinued. So the US took a different approach of making them longer and over pressuring them. While the Finns took an approach to where they will just use a slippery bullet. In the 175 projectile and 175 range. Which is the .308. Typically the .308. It's the same thing as our .308s. But essentially shooting them as fast as an M16 shoots a 5.56. So when you're thinking about it. Freight train. Right. Imagine the armor penetration capabilities that a ball ammunition projectile has. Have you tried these 175s in any other .300 Win Mags? I have not tried them. I mean I've got some more we could try it. But what I then also found out. At 1000 yards there was less drop with the 175s. Versus the .190 or versus a .338 Lapua Magnum. So I had less wind deflection because of the high speeds. And also less drop at the mid-range precision rifle stuff. And I say mid-range. 1000 yards for us is a very mid-range. For that caliber especially. Right. Yeah. And so. So it was really interesting seeing how the Finns approached this problem. And solved it unconventionally to the US standard. Whereas Americans just kept on using longer bullets. And juicing it up with more powder. And creating the Mark 248 Mod 1. The Finns decided to go lighter. Make it go faster. And give it less drop. Because it was going faster. And the results of this I might add. Outside of the performance. Now I don't know what kind of barrel wear I'm seeing. I don't know what type of heat I'm seeing. Because I'm also running a mirage band. Which is classic look to the TRG-42. I'm also seeing a drastically decreased recoil. So if you look back at when I was shooting this thing on the bonus round. I was able to fire, cycle, back on target before the round was hitting. That's how I got all five onto the 1000 yard. Now granted one missed off. But if it were a torso size. That would, that absolutely was a hit. If it were like an actual torso. That's how I got five rounds on target out there. In 11 point some seconds. With cycling. Yeah. So. In the last few minutes here Henry. We get about five minutes left. Let's talk about optics. Yeah. Because one of the, one of the pieces here. As you talked about upgrading the optic. What was on it when you shot? Initially when I shot it. It had a primary arms PLX 6 to 36. Which that's, that's their Japanese glass model. When it comes to precision optics. That's like mid low almost. Not really low. But mid ish optics. Yeah. It tracks very well. And then afterwards. The second time I shot this. I put the Minox on it. Which the Minox has pretty good glass actually. The glass quality I would say. I can't say it's Schmidt and Bender quality. It certainly is not Schmidt and Bender quality. But it certainly is a step above Razor. I would say. The mechanics are fine on the Minox. I've heard some people say that they have tracking issues. That's not an issue for me. And I've shot this on a Magnum. But then ultimately at the end of the day. I settled on putting a Schmidt on this thing. So the PM2. I mean basically top tier optics. What was the rationale Henry? Because you and I have actually debated this over the years. Because you don't, you for a while. Were basically perfectly happy running the PLX threshold of optic. And obviously using it very effectively. Being extremely effective with it. So where did that change for you? Because I for a number of years have been putting. When I'm doing something crazy. I'm putting an ATACR on my stuff. Or on my Geissele builds. Or whatever else. I'm putting these really juiced up optics. That cost more than the rifle. And I remember over time we've been like. You and I didn't necessarily agree on that strategy. So we're sort of like the. So there's twofold. When I'm looking at optics. The last year we've really dealt. We may not have published a lot. But we've been filming a lot of precision rifles. So there's more coming out. I've been looking at a lot. I've been looking through optics a whole lot. And I've been looking through a whole varied amount of optics. A whole lot. And so a couple different optics that really changed my mind. Was those three optics that cycled through the TRG-42. Now the PLX-C. The primary arms. Perfectly usable. Very very usable. I would say. Even on the DMR course. You would see much less of a deviation. Versus some of the precision rifle courses we've shot. Now what really we see delta on this. Is when it comes to inclement weather. Or dusk and dawn light gathering capability. With a military rifle. Your most likely times of attack are dusk and dawn. And granted I'm not planning to be attacked at dusk and dawn. But this is like when we're looking at military rifles. And looking at their implementation right. A sniper. When do they have to be most alert? When do they have to be able to see the best? Dusk and dawn. Incidentally are also difficult times for you to use night vision. Because you need to pop that thing off. During that time. Because it's too bright for night vision. But it's also too dark for non-premium glass. And during that time frame. I'm seeing about 20 to 30 minutes of increased working time. In the field. And that varies between different distances. Basically you have much better resolution. Much better light gathering capabilities. But then the other side of that also comes to inclement weather. It was a great example. You were shooting in a monsoon. And you could see that the camera can't see anything. It was hard to see out at distance with the camera. And yet I was spotting all of my hits on my own. And making contact with it right. Now I will tell you Steve. I took him off of the binos. And I put him on the AI that had the PM-2 on it. And that actually saw even more than the Minox. Now the other side of it is that I'm a collector. These are classic military sniper rifles. When I'm looking at the valuation of these things. I think the value. It helps the valuation. It helps the collector. It helps us tell the story of this piece more. When you're using optics that are closest to its military employment. And so when I put a Schmitt & Bender PM-2 on it. That also has the Finnish designed MSR reticle. That is an incredible pairing for a rifle of this caliber. So basically Henry. What you're saying is that it's a. It's kind of a balance. Yes there are actual performance differences. That you're able to identify. Specifically it's like the clarity and usability. When things are not optimal for shooting. Which most of the time what we're doing. We're shooting in optimal conditions. And then the second is sort of this other collector. I'll go 2007. Nothing fancy terminology here. Okay it's got the second type of cool to it going on right. Like you want to link up the Finnish reticle. And the Schmitt with the rifle that makes sense to have it on. Yes I mean this is. It's the same thing with the Arctic Warfare that I have. I switched out the Vortex that I had on there. And I'm planning to shoot that with you with a Schmitt & Bender. Which is the classic Arctic Warfare optic. Now we're not going to redo this segment for this. Not because we don't like you. But I mean let's face it. It was a pretty pretty sweet run. You know with the weather with everything put together. But in future in future appearances. Absolutely I think the PM2 is going to stay on this thing. And I mean aesthetically. And for us to properly tell a storied rifle. That doesn't get its story told in the US a lot. I think this is the best way to proceed forward. And for that reason you'll see a lot of these like Gucci European rifles. That I ended up you know pulling in for the show. The TRG-22. I put a Kalas with that had the MSR2 reticle. Which is an updated reticle after this. The AW I put another Schmitt on that thing. Specifically I'm trying to tie these things that has that second cool. That you and Nuttin' Fancy is talking about. And and wringing the most out of these premium classic sniper rifles. That we that we have on deck to show. And I think at the end of the day like that enhances our experiences. And gives us the best ability to tell the story. So what I will say to summarize some of this. And put it back into the element of reality for a viewer. You don't need a Schmitt & Bender on a multi-thousand dollar precision rifle. In order to be able to to shoot and be effective. Like there's a huge element of this. Which is pairing collectibles together. In a way that is true to form in a certain environment. The threshold and I think we both agree. That there's a threshold when it comes to spend versus performance. And that for initial spend. You get a huge increase in performance as you spend initially. And then your performance sort of tapers off. And your monetary spend goes through the roof. For marginal incremental performance gain. And so for you to to go from let's say a Vortex Razor Gen 3 or PA PLX precision optic. And go whatever into the next rung of Schmitt & Bender I suppose. Or maybe Minox and then Schmitt & Bender. Those jumps are massive in terms of price dollar. And they do come with a quality improvement. But for the average user. You should be very cautious about feeling like you have to replicate. What you see in an online setting. Where people are doing it for different reasons. So just keep that in mind. I think that's important because we do live in a space. Where copying and commercialism is sort of at a premium. I'd say I mean honestly like nowadays. This is unfortunately this is the era of flex on the gram. And yes yes Josh and I have flexed on the gram quite a bit. Because we're proud to be able to show people some of these premium items. I also really like to shoot my 22s with like cookbottle scopes. Because that's fun. Be honest with yourself on what you're doing with this. I mean if you're a government purchasing agency. And you genuinely need your snipers to perform. At that dusk and dawn time frame. Or you're genuinely working in inclement weather environments. That you need to take a shot. That you need to be able to have that intelligence gathering capability. To make the decision on pulling the trigger or not. Absolutely that like couple thousand dollars is worth the extra spend. However if you're shooting your rifle once every quarter. The debt is not worth in your life. To spend for that flex on the gram. Unless it is you know who knows. Yeah unless it is to you. That's the point right. It's like I know that we're we veered like way off of the TRG-42 here. But I think it's important to talk about some of this stuff. Especially as both you and I we put premium glass on premium rifles. And we find that enjoyable at this point right. It's the same thing as like you don't need to go buy a full AI. That I am guilty of doing right. Like you don't need to do that. In order to have an enjoyable time out shooting. We we are guilty of doing Josh. Yes so yes um at the end of the day. How do we tie this up? You know a premium genuinely a premium rifle. With some capabilities that exceed the arctic warfare. Or the AI series. And some that the AI exceeds over this. But a premium rifle nonetheless. Phenomenal performance. Really cool problem solving uh techniques. The bipod we didn't really talk about it in the debrief. But we did during the filming. Maybe we could pull that into the TRG-22 when that comes out. Which is the 308 version. What I'd like people to do is if you're still here. If you're one of those people who watch these all the way to the end. Go down to the comments section. And tell Henry if he should do a versus video. Between the green meanies. Okay which is the meanest. I don't know. I suppose I guess I will Josh. Oh my gosh. No Henry only if we receive enough comments asking for it okay. Guys thanks as always for hanging out with us here in the debrief. We had a good time chatting it up with this one. Obviously a phenomenal run. And as always do all the good YouTube stuff. Like, comment, subscribe. Check us out on Patreon. History of Weapons and War. And until next time. 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