【謝田時間】1清華大學聯合Springer Nature發布報告：科學研究城市北京全球第一？ 國際科技創新中心全球第三？ 迎合中共為北京量身訂做？ 2世界最先進創新科技成果與中國無緣？

Hello, Professor Xie. Hello, everyone. Recently, the mainland media reported that Beijing Tsinghua University and Shiblinge Natural Group jointly published the International Technology Innovation Center Index 2023. There is also a report on the Nature Index Research City 2023. It is said that Beijing performed very well in this report. First of all, what do you think of these two reports? What is the weight of these two reports in the academic world? This report is quite new. This is Shiblinge. It seems that this year is the fourth year in a row. To be honest, I think this is a big watermark. First of all, it was jointly published by Tsinghua University and Shiblinge Natural Group. There is actually a problem with this. Why is there a problem? For example, if you evaluate the innovation, scientific innovation, and research of these cities, of course, it refers to the universities and research institutions in these international cities. Tsinghua University is also among the subjects to be evaluated. It is also one of the authors of the evaluation. There is actually a conflict of interest. It's like you can't evaluate yourself. There are also many international media, research institutions, consultancy institutions, and evaluation institutions that cooperate with China to publish these things. Basically, there is not much credibility. In fact, this is a project that they created with the Chinese, a project that cooperates with the Chinese institutions. Basically, whoever wants to pay, we know that in the West, I don't talk about Shiblinge. Many Western institutions, as long as the Chinese want to pay, they will cooperate with you to customize such a thing. Then they will make you happy and give you the result you want. Basically, the result bought by the Chinese. Why do I say this? Because in China, it is not possible for a Western authority to operate independently. We know that Gallup just withdrew from China. If you say that Gallup is an independent, self-operating institution, and it is evaluating itself in China, we may believe this figure. Once it cooperates with a Tsinghua University in China, or cooperates with a Chinese institution, I basically don't believe it. It's not very credible. For example, this figure, this report, you look at it, it's very ridiculous. For example, it says that the global innovation ability scale, that is, Silicon Valley, San Francisco, San Jose, and New York, remain in the first and second places. I think everyone believes this. Beijing remains in the top three. It is the third in the world. I don't think this is credible. Especially Hong Kong, Macau, Macau Bay, is ranked sixth. I don't think this is possible. This is a hypothesis. Because if you look at global technology innovation, there are many more in the United States. Of course Silicon Valley is a very powerful base, everyone knows. In fact, New York is also a very powerful base. But there are other places in the United States. For example, Austin, Texas, Chicago, Illinois, Chicago, there are many places that are quite excellent. San Jose, San Francisco, Los Angeles, many cities are quite powerful. That is to say, many of the innovative developments in the United States are in these cities. As for Hong Kong, we really can't imagine what kind of institutions Hong Kong has, universities or research institutions, or what kind of international technological innovations have been produced. And Hong Kong can actually be ranked sixth. I'm not saying that Hong Kong is bad. But this data is very suspicious. And this data, this report, was published in the fourth year of this year, and it cooperated with the Chinese Communist Party. And it is biased towards the CCP, or it is designed for the CCP, to help it pay tribute to China, pay tribute to the CCP. That's what I think. I think this is not just water and that, it is basically to cater to the CCP, or cater to the CCP's appetite. In fact, it should be said that it is basically something that the Beijing government bought. I don't really believe that it actually has real value. Because of the global technological innovation, we know that other places, for example, Korea, Seoul, Japan, Tokyo, many European countries, Britain, London, Germany, Berlin, many, many cities, should have been in Hong Kong before. But this figure did not show this. So I think this is very suspicious. For me, this credibility is not very high. This report also said that Beijing needs to play a more important role in international technological innovation. What do you think of his statement? There is no doubt that China has invested a lot of money in technological innovation. If you look at China's investment, it is very likely to be in the top ten in the world. We all know this. The CCP wants to catch up with the world in technology. But catching up with the CCP is what the CCP has done. But whether there is a result, whether there is a result, this is what we suspect. Because we know that China's research institutions have done a lot of fraud. Corruption of funds. This is very serious. So you say that China has 10 cities in the world's top 20 in terms of natural resources. This is hard to believe. This is not possible. This is the center of global scientific research and the country's leadership. China has invested a lot, but not much output. For example, China's patent technology is leading the world in patent technology. But China's patent technology is far behind the United States and other countries. There are also many Chinese patents. We feel that China's patent technology is fake. Because after China's patent technology is applied, after obtaining the patent technology, it has to pay every year. The patent must be protected. The patent must be maintained. Many Chinese companies, companies and universities have applied for patents, but China does not care. China does not even have information about its own patents. China basically does not continue to pay maintenance costs. China knows that it has no real value. Another thing we know is that China's technology fraud is very serious. Chinese scientists and researchers have been removed and revoked in hundreds of international journals and magazines. This is unprecedented. This whole thing is a fraud. There are 10 cities in China that are among the top 20 research centers in the world. Half of them are in China. What kind of research and innovation results have these Chinese universities, institutions and cities produced? We can't imagine. Look at the most advanced technological achievements in the world. No matter which one, on the Internet, in space, in military, in technology, communication, computer, we can't see which one, how many are from China. If there are so many top 20 in the world, but you have no results, what does that mean? So I think this figure is basically some British, some foreign, Western institutions want to cater to the CCP, to set the tone for the CCP, to play with the CCP, to fool the children. In fact, no one in the outside world really believes in this. No one really believes in this. The CCP's technology is rising rapidly. The CCP is indeed rising. It's investing a lot. But in fact, the so-called rise in China is more of an application, rather than a real rise. A while ago, someone said that there are four new inventions in China. Mobile payment, high-speed rail, I think there are two more. That is to say, there are four new inventions in China. Of course, it's technological innovation. But in fact, it's not China's. China's Internet applications have a lot of new technology monitoring, right? China uses a lot of these, and a lot of them are used in bad places. But these are not China's own innovative inventions. Mobile payment is not, high-speed rail is not. In fact, they are all from Japan, France, Germany, from the United States, from these plagiarisms. Like this high-speed rail, high-speed rail has actually been safely operated in Japan for almost 50 years. It has been in operation for a long time. China has just built a lot now. But a lot of it is not your scientific innovation, nor is it your technological achievements. China has actually bought the achievements of other countries. Mobile payment, etc. That is to say, I think these are the CCP's own self-promotion. When it was boasting, it regarded these as China's new four major inventions. And now it can find one, it can work with some Chinese research institutions, cooperation with foreign companies, and lend money to foreigners. We know that in fact, these foreign institutions can't really operate independently in China. It must cooperate with these Chinese institutions. And when it cooperates with Chinese institutions, and the Chinese institutions do not agree, they certainly can't get any reports. So this report basically has no weight. The CCP wants to play an important role. It can't just invest money. We know that there will be a lot of such U.S.-made projects. Like the Great Leap Forward, the CCP has invested billions of dollars. It still has no effect. You just said that the CCP has invested a lot of money, especially in research. Yes. I saw a netizen say that this report is for these people, to apply for research funding. Yes, of course. Because we know that every time the CCP engages in such a technology leap forward, or a technology leap forward, every time it seems to enhance the international status of the CCP, this money is actually chip investment. Tens of thousands of dollars invested, hundreds of thousands of dollars invested. In fact, most of the time, hundreds of chip companies came out of more than 30 provinces. Take out the government money, cheat it, spend it, and there is no result. Or buy an American chip, a foreign chip, remove the label on it, and then engrave your own name on it. In other words, this fraud, pretending to be a fraud, has reached such an absurd level. If China, the whole country, from the government to the technical staff, its fraud, deception, is so successful, no one will really spend a lot of money, spend a lot of time and energy to engage in this very painful, real innovation. Therefore, I don't think China has such an innovative environment, and there are no talents who can focus on their own business and work. Also, if this kind of fraud, false bragging continues, this country has no hope of world-class innovation. In addition, there is also a foreign media report that China's economic rise is undergoing a historical reversal. This report also said that the world economy grew from $8 trillion in 2022 to $10.5 trillion in 2023. The U.S. accounted for almost half of it, and other emerging countries accounted for half, but China did not make any contributions. What do you think of this prediction? Yes, this just shows the reverse of the international situation, or the so-called miracle of China's economic growth has disappeared. As we said in many previous programs, China's world economy is still growing, but China's economy is actually declining. As we mentioned earlier, China has a lot of investment in research, but there is not much output. A lot of investment is built on the basis of China's economic growth. If China's economy slows down, it will continue to decline. I don't think it will continue to decline. It will decline for 20 years. It will return to the situation 20 years ago. Before China joined the WTO, before the economy took off, it meant that China's financial income was not enough to pay for these big technological innovations. So from this perspective, the fake bubble that was originally pushed out with money will also collapse. From the world economy's prediction, China did not make any contributions. Almost half of the contributions came from the U.S., and almost half came from other financial institutions. So we can clearly see that China's economy is reversing. China's economy has not contributed to the world economy, but China's economy itself is also seriously declining. Now we know that China is now a real estate bubble that has collapsed, and foreign investments are leaving China at a record speed In the future, China's share in the world economy will not continue to grow, but will decrease. China's investment in technology will also decrease accordingly. Generally speaking, how do you see the relationship between innovation, research, and economy? China's economy is now reversing. What do you think? Innovation, research, and economy are like this. In many countries, as soon as a country develops economically, innovation will grow. Innovation also involves the cultivation of talent, the mechanism of talent competition, the protection of innovation, and the system of entrepreneurship. There are many developed countries in the world, but there are not many countries that are economically developed and can guarantee technological innovation. Of course, you have to be economically developed and have enough financial resources to invest a lot in R&D, so that innovation is possible, so that good universities, good research institutions, attract a lot of high-quality talent, and attract a lot of new researchers to enter these areas of innovation. But we know that when China invests a lot in R&D, innovation does not lead to real innovation results. We see that in the world's latest technology, China may be using it, but the CCP is not creating or innovating. Now that economic support is gone, and there is no money to invest, it is even more impossible to innovate. The main problem is that the whole Jianghua system is in favor of talent innovation, innovation invention protection, and this kind of entrepreneurial society system. So you see, we know that there are many developed countries in the world, but there are not many countries that are economically developed and lead by technological innovation. So it's not necessarily that you can guarantee technological innovation. Of course, you have to be economically developed and have enough money to have a lot of investment in R&D, to be able to innovate, to be able to attract a lot of high-quality talents from good universities and good research institutions, and then attract a lot of new researchers to enter these areas of innovation. China, even before, when it invested a lot, when the economy was better, innovation did not really result in innovation. We see that in the world's latest technology, China may be using it, but the CCP is not creating or innovating these things. Now that the economic support is gone, if there is no money to invest, it is even more impossible to innovate. The main problem is the political factor. The entire Jianghua system has a very strong suppression effect on the innovation of talent . The CCP system is actually killing people's creativity. We see that many Chinese people cannot innovate. They are constrained by this system. After going to the United States and overseas, the talent of these people has begun to evolve.