【文藝話匣子Art Encounters - 黃宇軒 Sampson Wong】 山水畫散步學 A Walk in Landscape Painting

大家好 Hello everyone 今天很高興邀請到 It's our pleasure to have 中文大學校友黃宇軒博士Sampson CUHK alumnus Dr. Sampson Wong 來到中文大學文物館 with us in CUHK Art Museum 一同觀賞「山川巨構」的展品 to discuss the exhibition "Majestic Vistas" Sampson，你是散步界的KOL Sampson, you're an advocator of strolling 我們希望透過與你對談 We hope that our discussion 從一個新角度觀看 can shed new lights 欣賞和發掘中國山水畫的無限可能 on the appreciation of Chinese landscape paintings -歡迎你 -你好 - Welcome! - Hello 剛才我們看了 Just now we have viewed 一件明朝吳麒《臨夏圭山水》長卷 a handscroll by the Ming dynasty painter Wu Qi 總長十二米 of 12 metres in total 你喜歡散步 As a stroll lover 如果你可以進入畫裏暢遊 if you could enter the painting 你覺得你會去哪裏散步 where would you go for a stroll? 哪個場景最吸引你注目呢？ Which scene attracts you the most? 我想最吸引我的是建築物 The architecture catches my attention 譬如畫裏的高塔 such as the towers 其實也未必是建築物 Well perhaps not 我想是一些高點 It's the high ground 我很想看到畫家作畫的視點 I'd love to see what the painter saw 因爲據我所知，原作的畫家 When he painted this painting 需要登山到高處 he must have climbed some mountains 纔看得到這些風景 to a height with these views 我自己也很喜歡 I love that too 平日我較多講以行人的視覺 I talk about observing a city as a pedestrian 或者以日常街道的視覺看城市 or on the level of streets a lot 但我覺得兩種對比都很有趣 But actually both are interesting 我每到一個地方旅行 Every time when I travel to somewhere 第一日可能就會立刻去最高的地方 I rush to the highest spot on the first day 看一下那裏的城市風景 to view the cityscape there 所以我對畫裏的高點很感興趣 I find the high grounds in the painting interesting 第二點是畫裏有人撐船 Another point is the people on the boats 那部分我也覺得很棒 That also fascinates me 因為我近來有一次經歷 Recently I had a special ride 就是乘搭天星小輪遊香港 on the Star Ferry 但那次天星小輪沒依循原定路線 It didn't travel its normal route 它來往青衣和中環 It went between Tsing Yi and Central 橫渡維多利亞港 cruising Victoria Harbour horizontally 我就想象 I imagine that 如果可以在畫裏江河間移動 if I could cruise like that in the painting 沿途以不同視點觀賞景色 enjoying the scenery from different viewpoints 我會享受其中 I'd love the experience 我想以上兩點 These two thoughts 是我看到畫後的一些想象 came to me after viewing the painting 剛才你説到一點很有趣 It’s very interesting that 你乘搭天星小輪的體會 you mentioned your ferry ride 是不斷移動的 moved horizontally 不是跨過維多利亞港 not going across Victoria Harbour 而是在維多利亞港上橫向移動 but along it 其實某程度上 As I mentioned 譬如我們看的這幅作品 the work we viewed 形式是一張手卷，總長十二米 is a 12-metre handscroll 其實古人觀賞這類畫 The traditional way to view it 會集結三五知己，把畫分段展開 is to unfold the painting section by section 打開時每段不足一米長 with no more than one metre per section 有點像菲林或一個移動的場景 It works like a film or a moving scene 你也會發現畫裏有些很小的人 You'll find tiny figures 不斷重複出現 appearing repeatedly 其實顯示了他身處不同時空 showing the spatial and temporal transition 剛才你提到畫裏有漁艇和船伕 You mentioned the boats 畫裏其實開首就有一個人撐船 This actually appears at the very beginning 可以看到這位漁夫打算側身撒網 There's a man casting his net sideways 屬於一種當下的動作捕捉 That's a capture of a lively moment 接著在畫裏會看到不同漁艇 Then you see more fishing boats 有些停泊著，有些載著人 Some are moored, some with people on it 到了畫作中段 Then in the middle 會突然看到有座山垂直到頂 suddenly there emerges a perpendicular cliff 畫的底部有一艘船艇 There's a boat under it 船上有一個人在撐船 with a punting man 另外一人則坐著欣賞風景 and a seated man enjoying the view 通常在這些畫裏 Usually in these paintings 山畫得很大，人畫得很小 mountains are huge, men are small 其實是想表現大自然的壯觀和偉大 reflecting the grandeur of the Nature 我看過你的研究和錄製的影片 I have seen your research and videos 也是用眼睛感受在城市散步 of seeing and feeling the city by strolling 你覺得用眼睛和感受散步 Do you find seeing and feeling 和拿著攝影機拍攝散步 and capturing your strolls with a camera 分別大不大？ very different? 愈懷著創作意圖或用其他方法記錄 Once I have an intent to create or document 某程度上會令我分心 I got distracted in some ways 因為全程投入的散步不帶目的 To fully immerse, one should have no purpose 不會特意記錄 no documentation 甚至不會分享至社交平臺 not even sharing on social platforms 所以剛才提到畫裏有個特點 You pointed out that in the painting 人畫得很小，被風景包圍 tiny people are enclosed in vast landscape 這其實也要我們清空那些意圖 We do need to let go of all the intents 或那種很感受到自我存在的狀態 or the strong sense of presence of one self 最近我很喜歡一首詩 Recently I like a poem very much 裏面「坐看雲起時」的説法 with the line "sit and watch the clouds rise" 最近有流行曲用了這句作歌名 That was used as a title of a pop song 這讓我想起，很多時候 It occurs to me that 古人遊山玩水或者看風景 when reading about the ancients in the Nature 人們大多會留意他們被貶官 people tend to think of their demotion 或者他們的仕途、心境 their career in officialdom and so on 但讀那首詩，我最深的感受是 But my deepest feeling is that 它原本可能只是平白地描述 it could have been a plain description 悠然自得，享受日常風景的狀態 of the enjoyment of everyday scenery 我們其實不容易在現在的世界 Nowadays it's not easy for us 掌握對日常風景的感動和敏感 to remain emotionally responsive to everyday scenery 談散步，就是想鼓勵大家 By advocating strolling, I want to advocate 對日常風景也有種欣賞的心 the appreciation of everyday scenery