Can ANYONE save MAGA from Trump?

All right. Let's hear from some people in the audience. We take calls on The Friday Show via discord at David Pakman dot com slash discord. We're going to hear from some people now. Remember, nicknames and cutesy things aren't going to get you called on. If you want to get called on, you should have name and location or location and name in the format of, for example, Jeff from Minnesota. Jeff from Minnesota is our first caller today. Jeff, welcome to the program. What's on your mind today? David, thank you for having me. I love your show. My pleasure. Thank you. So obviously, you're no stranger to kind of the cognitive dissonance that takes place within the Republican Party, specifically within MAGA. So I guess my question for you is, how do we kind of break through to that? You know, it's I'm convinced this is something that's going to take at least like a decade to kind of get past. What do you think? Well, I think in the best case scenario, it will take eight to 10 years. I think worst case, it basically becomes the Republican Party indefinitely. I never say forever because nothing's forever, but indefinitely. And I think a lot of it is going to have to do with what happens over the next, you know, 13 months until the election, 15 months until the next inauguration. If Trump wins, you know, into that next Trump term. I don't think there's a clear answer yet as to how much life this movement has in it, but it has absolutely destroyed the Republican Party. And now it is so abundantly clear. Twenty eighteen did not go well in the midterms. Twenty twenty. Trump lost the general election. Twenty twenty two was going to be a red wave, barely took the House and actually fell further behind in the Senate. Now they've ousted their own Republican speaker because of eight mega extremists. I mean, this movement has objectively been a disaster for the Republican Party. I don't know how long it'll last, but I think your instinct that we could be talking about another 10 years is certainly possible. Of course. And, you know, when you're debating mega people, that's you know, that's an effective tool because you can just make them look like the delusional morons that they are. But when you're talking to someone in real life, someone who, you know, personally, it gets a little bit harder because if you try to bring up exactly what you brought up, all they think is that you're part of some like big giant lie and not just pushes them farther and farther down the rabbit hole. Without a doubt, it's one of these circumstances where the mechanisms through which we might hope to change people will often only for excuse me, further ingrain them in their beliefs. And so, as we've talked about before, we're basically talking about deprogramming cult members at this point. And this is a difficult thing to do. Right. You know, you got to hate the cult, love the cultist, hate the cult, love the cultist. Yes. I mean, you show empathy to the cultist. You welcome them back to reality if they show any willingness to come back. I agree with that completely, Jeff. Absolutely. Well, I mean, I got to give credit where it's due. I 100 percent stole that notion from Bill Maher. Oh, OK. Interesting. I haven't heard him say that, but it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I'm not super on board with the fact that he thinks Biden cannot win the next election. But, you know, what does that even mean? What does it mean? He can't win. You know, there were so many people saying in 2020 Biden can't win. There were Bernie people going Biden cannot win. Well, of course he can win. Trump could win. Biden can win. What does that even mean? It's a very strange thing to say. He might not win, but that doesn't mean he can't win. Absolutely. All right, Jeff, I'm getting all wound up, so I'm going to let you go, OK? Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Jeff from Minnesota. Great to hear from you. The David Pakman Show David Pakman dot com.