Inter Miami - Toronto FC Live Postgame Show

We live we are welcome everybody to another special edition of messy code here on the five region sports network youtube channel post game show live i'm here at dry pink stadium gion and ashley watch from home inter miami four nil over toronto that's the initial thought uh when you look at the scoreline but obviously much more happened in this match today let's start off with a couple of the positives before we get into messy before we get into alba miami score four and keep a clean sheet what are your guys initial reactions to that start with ugi i expected a clean sheet so no surprises there for me we talked about it on the pre-game podcasts about how toronto is not a team that scores very often they had actually gone 15 games scoreless so far this season even back in may they had gone three games back to back to back without scoring so i never felt like that was going to be an issue for us on the defensive end so that's not surprising to me at all to have that that clean sheet and it was very expected and i mean in some of these plays we saw very much why they don't they they don't score i mean they don't take advantage of these opportunities they have a few opportunities very easy opportunities and they just were very imprecise and when it came down to really you know making those shots so um clean sheet is great awesome for calendar awesome for us but uh very much expected yeah i uh i'll say for me yes jean you were right but at what cost no i'm kidding i'm kidding uh no overall you know i think another positive that we can get besides the fact that you know we played a strong game i our defense was far better i mean they got a couple opportunities and slipped through a couple of times but for the most part defense was much stronger hakundo farias is everything he asked and more you know he has been just playing like a superstar uh taking on whatever burden is needed in each game and stepping up when other players maybe aren't capitalizing on their opportunities not not the two people who were substituted but just in general he's one of those people who's being incredibly consistent getting good goals and keeping the play going yeah let's talk about taylor too that was another bright spot we had seen him kind of like a little bit of a low on his kind of on his gameplay since farias got injected into the lineup his kind of his game um his minutes went down and he just comes back like uh like he never let off and it was just incredible to see what we had seen from him right yeah those golazos that that he was making when messi arrived and they first started to gel and the team started to become much better offensively we kind of saw the re-emergence of that uh robert taylor so that was really nice to see for him just i mean and he did it in beautiful beautiful fashion just some incredible stuff like i was so happy to see that great link up play on the right side for for most of that second half i think it was really really great uh why don't we talk a little bit before we get to the big news maybe who was your your best player for the night uh my best player for the night let's see i mean shoot because it was a tale of two halves so i mean farias for sure you know he's always going to be the guy i think that it stays um you know the the team might not be having the best performance the defense might not be having the best performance throughout the last few games but i think that farias continues to be the most consistent player so uh for me it's got to be it's going to be farias but then also um i think it's three it's farias kremarski and taylor i can't choose between them those three just played excellent today just robert taylor with his goals and crema man he comes in and makes a huge difference his creativity his playmaking ability and the fact that he can score those are my top three players really it's tough to choose yeah and i i mine was actually probably obvious i think he had a great bounce back game like we said he's really young he's been in good form for most of his time so far to enter miami he had a bad game could have been down and out could have had lost his confidence played great won every single one-on-one duel was always ready to intercept the pass kept the back line strong i think he had a really great game i would i would actually give a little bit of a shout out to david ruiz um i thought that his game was not necessarily phenomenal by any means but he did his job efficiently he did his job well he was not only defending well but he transitioned the ball really well i think in the first half he had uh over five or six passes into the final third for miami so playing alongside busquets you know you usually think that busquets is going to be the one taking that role david ruiz took that role himself a little bit and he also helped out uh in terms of protecting the backline so i i think that under the under the radar one for me is david ruiz but overall i'd probably give it to facundo vargas he's just been even through all the adversity that miami faced in this match in the early substitutions he was the one that was so consistent in terms of pushing toronto's midfield and backline and making sure that miami had goal scoring opportunities all throughout the match so that's probably who i would go with um you know i i think that we talk about it i think that we should get into it you think people are interested maybe i mean is the show's name and maybe the reason why people are here um jordy alva comes off first messy comes off shortly after and i don't know if it was something that was premeditated i maybe going into the match they they knew they were only going to play x amount of minutes and maybe those minutes ended up having to get cut short because they started to feel some things i'm not sure yet how to take it we're going to get answers hopefully shortly from tata martino and his press conference and we'll look we'll we'll look to have them uh for you if we'll read them on twitter if you guys have them in the comments go ahead and and let us know what they're saying but um yeah it's a it's a hard one to navigate because i'm pretty concerned at this point uh after that it to me on face value it looks like alba and messy pushed themselves a little bit too much and a little bit too early and probably shouldn't have started in this match in hindsight hindsight's always 2020 so i'm thinking from an outside perspective that they probably shouldn't have started this match when you look at the result and how the team played it didn't even seem like they needed to start this match and they could have known that given the opponent that they were playing going into sunday i doubt you see any of them against orlando going into the open cup final you just hope that they're healthy until but i really hope that this is not a mistake on behalf of the coaching staff in the front office to go ahead and let these guys play and it's more of a precautionary type thing to save them for the u.s open cup final gion what did you make of the substitutions in the first half to leon messi and geordie alba i think it was a bit concerning more so because of the way it was done like we knew that this was going to be an easy game i at least i had an easier game i thought it was going to be an easier game so when you have to choose between this game or playing them in the orlando game it made more sense to play them in this game in the toronto game because orlando number one would have been a tougher match it would have been a more physical match we know there's there's it tends to be there's a lot more aggression a lot more banging of bodies we saw that in the prior match in these cup so that was something that it was i think out of the question to have them really play in that game not to mention the time between the next game which would be the u.s open cup final was just it was too little time to recuperate so if anything it made sense to play this game especially more so to keep them in rhythm because if you don't play in this game you don't play on sunday that's a lot of time without playing i mean injecting them straight into a final that's something i think that wouldn't have been the most prudent thing to do the error the error i was gonna say in the thing well here's the thing too before you get to the error for me i i understand it from that perspective and i think that it almost forces them to have because then if they are up 3-0 in the 60th minute don't really need to put messier alba on the pitch why risk that at all and just go harder in training if they're up or if they're down 3-0 and they need to come back and they see that this is a game that they have to win and then messi has 30 minutes turned around he's going to be asked too much it's going to be a little bit too intense for him and then you risk injury that way as well so it's a really tough card to play from the coaching staff from the player perspective from the front office whoever was making the decision and i don't know really if there was a right choice going into this one yeah it's funny it's funny that you say that though yeah i think it's funny that you say that though because the error in my opinion it actually differs from what you just stated right now because in my opinion the error was starting because i think that and we kind of saw this they didn't in this game right is against this toronto side and i think that it was okay with him getting playing time and even ashley mentioned this in the pregame part that maybe they would come in the 65th or sometime in the second half and in my opinion that would have made more sense because think about it we might have we might have been up 3-0 like you said at that point 3-0 at that that's a game where it's you come in and you put the game away you give them 25 30 minutes of playing time just to make sure they don't lose their rhythm it's not going to be a game it's not going to be a moment in time where they they're you know they're coming in because we're down and they have to play and give it their all and it's going to be tough no this is just get 25 30 minutes the game's basically over it's three three nil there's you know it's an easier adjustment for to do that so i think that that was a error and what makes me worried right now is they started and they came off in the 30 something minute i've never i've never seen that like if you're gonna typically you don't start if you just want to get a few minutes you don't start them you usually put them in at the end and the fact that they didn't even finish the first half that was kind of there's a video where right before messi is subbed out it's right after he makes a pass and he if you really pay attention to that video he kind of hobbles a little bit and it's already been mentioned in argentinian media that he had been dealing with i wouldn't even call it muscular not i mean an injury but more so maybe muscular fatigue on his left leg or was it left or right i can't remember but one of his legs so to me i think that he might have felt that fatigue and that's why he got out and he was being more prudent than anything and saying let me get out before this turns into something more actually split the tie here should they have started i honestly this i can't split the tie because i feel both ways about it i in hindsight i agree i wish we didn't start him i you know because of that but what if you know he came on in the 60th or 70th minute and he was out of rhythm and we had the game away and he got hurt that way or you know so and if we didn't play him and then he didn't play at all because we had the game in hand and then he goes 20 something days without playing before the final i mean it did it seems that my guess is that he was the one who gave it the green light and you know probably knows his by best and there's probably like it's either this game or sunday and maybe i think agreeing with jian he was going for being in rhythm and i also think with players like that and especially season players i actually think they prefer to start than to come off the bench even if it's for limited minutes because just how you do a warm-up and then you immediately play i think it's better than when you have to kind of come off cold even though you get your warm-up on the sideline but yeah so it's tough but i i have a statistic to share with you guys that i saw that unfortunately doesn't bode great for what we've seen in the past with leonel messi and that is and it's to from opto jack leonel messi was substituted off before halftime for just the eighth time in 937 career senior starts eighth time out of 937 which leads me to believe it is not it was it was serious enough where he immediately stopped it especially only minutes after jordy alba knowing that they're now giving up two windows in the first half with like less than 10 minutes or 10 minutes or so to go in the game it hopefully it's okay but those kind of things make me a little nervous okay so i do have a quote directly from tata martino um from felipe cardenas from the athletic says that the plan was not for leno messi and jordy alba to come off early it's not a plan they trained normally and we felt like that they were ready to play i don't believe it's anything new or anything worse than what they have or what they knew they had um it's just fatigue i don't think it's a muscular injury so at first i was like oh no and i'm like oh okay it's not that bad when i started reading that statement at first i was like oh it wasn't yeah i just got nervous i was like why why wouldn't that be the plan i mean i'm glad that they played it safe i'm glad that the the players were you know obviously mentally aware enough that there's bigger things coming and said that hey i need to come off even though it's just vegan not some sort of a muscular injury or something larger looming which is great um for them to come off in 37 minutes despite not being the plan i think tata martino handled it extremely well obviously they started to play a lot better when messi and alba came off the pitch when they scored all of their goals so um you know overall the situation seems like it was handled to the best of tata martino's abilities you can debate one way or another if they should have started or if they should have been held out i'm not 100 sure as to where i am on that because hindsight again is always 20 20 but that's the quote from tata martino tata martino confirms it was not the plan for them to come off early however he does not think it's a muscular injury i will quickly say just really quickly before you go that that make that definitely does make me feel better because um he really like he has no reason to lie about that if he if they were to just say you know we're still figuring it out or we're gonna run tests or see tomorrow they can and by outwardly saying it is not a muscle injury like their league disclosure rules if it's like they can't lie about that kind of thing and meaning giving such a direct answer saying it is not that so that leads me to believe it it is exactly what it is fatigue and i think that both messi and alba maybe felt that they knew themselves and knew that they were maybe one sprint away or one lunge away from actually doing something and they both decided to be incredibly preemptive about it that's what i'm hoping for because again being to say that to give that quote and give such a direct answer to say it is not an actual injury which they would have they would have known if it was a muscle injury within the last hour and a half you know or even if it was a very light case of it so that that makes me feel a little better tata martino has also just stated that they will not play sunday in orlando so he has just ruled out leonel messi and jordi alba for the orlando city match on sunday it's in orlando so they will not be taking part of the that would have happened regardless i think regardless and i don't think that's what we expected i think we kind of expected it even if this game didn't happen we didn't think that they'd play so close to the u.s open cup final that was probably that was probably the plan going into it listening to tata martino saying oh it wasn't the plan for them to come off early get them their 90 minutes and then they can play in a week they had to come off a little bit early they were never going to play sunday whether they got injured or came off because of fatigue whatever it is they were never going to play sunday at least in my opinion and my speculation tata martino has now confirmed that leonel messi and jordi alba will not play sunday thank you to felipe cardenas who is posting the updates on twitter right now so we can get the so some really really big news coming out if there's any questions in the comments or anything like that let us know i'm going to try and get to a couple of them now uh let's see let's see the one i did see one that i do want to bring up um it was with oh here we go mario rubio says do you believe miami can be fine without him and make the playoffs and it's so funny mario because i have and i have a i have a banner here to talk about this with ashley and jian is leonel messi needed to make the mls playoffs given what you guys saw tonight and given what i'm about to tell you in terms of their playoff hopes and where they stand in the table right now which is in 13th place in the eastern conference which is five points out of ninth place to dc which is only two points out of charlotte fc who you play twice who's in 12 two points out of chicago who you play once and have a game at hand and then three points out to new york city fc who you play once at home and you have two games in hand against them and for dc united you're five points out with two games in hand and you would have the tiebreaker if they were to catch up on points which is total matches one miami as we talked about in the last two preview and post game shows finally finally now control their own destiny if they are to win out in mls they're a playoff team no matter what if they win every single game they're there it took them six games to be able to do that from where they were and i i don't think that i knew i can't say that i thought it was going to come this early so mario thanks for the question jian and ashley it's your turn to answer it do you think messi is needed for into miami to make the playoffs or do you think this is a deep enough side to go ahead and get it done given the results that we're seeing around the league the other team's forms and miami's forms and their upcoming points i'll go first uh do i think he's needed to make the playoffs maybe not at this point do i think he's needed to be successful for the rest of the season yes i think there are two different questions because with our run of form and with everyone stepping up i think we can definitely continue the success that we have players are playing fantastic we're seeing high quality but there's still a lot of games to be played and you still need that that force to drive you over and especially once you get there you don't want to start cold you know having one team and then immediately starting with another i mean obviously for leagues cup that worked but i don't i think that's not so so my answer is to make the playoffs no if if it's close and if it if it's going to hurt him further no we can do it without him do i want to or do i think it's going to be beneficial for us in the end i'm not convinced i i think that you can definitely win some games without messy for sure especially seeing the remaining schedule like you said we've got uh charlotte twice chicago and new york city that are currently 10 11 and 12 so you could probably win those four games or at least three of those four games i think without messy messy makes it a lot easier though that's that's for sure and then you've got games against cincinnati and orlando those are the one and two seed in the eastern conference so those are games that you if you want to win you definitely i think are going to need a messy those are the toughest games that we have left orlando obviously we know he's not going to play cincinnati um i don't know i have to look at the schedule because there's also a fifa um or there's also a national team call up coming up soon our international games that in october so i don't know what games he's going to miss so i think that all comes into play but if messy's available to play he's got to play that's what i think and your chances are higher to win a game and to ultimately make the playoffs if he's playing so i don't want to say that we don't need him i think he makes it a lot easier to make the playoffs and then i also think that you want to be careful also um i think that not that messy can easily fall not more so i think from a physical standpoint because i think that when there's too much time between you know sometimes too much rest is not good in my opinion like you want to have enough rest where you're able to recuperate but at the same time you also want to make sure that your your muscles and and your body is ready to keep going um sometimes when there's too much time you is in all in all you need him i i think to make the playoffs and uh that very playoff chase is very much alive so that's really important and we'll see we'll see what the schedule holds as far as the international play i'm not sure if you guys have that in front of you but i'll take a look at it i kind of want to see what games he's going to miss next month and that also depends on how he's feeling especially now that we see that he's been dealing with fatigue will he even i'm sure he'll be called but is that something that inter miami is going to even you know it's going to depend on them as well do we want you to risk going to go play well that's the thing i have one more i have one more update for you outside of the argentina thing with santa martino he says that i know we have a final to play but they meaning messi and alba won't go near the pitch if they can't play so he also has not determined their availability for next wednesday and as of right now their availability for the us open cup final against houston dynamo is up in the air as it stands obviously we'll get more updates throughout the week probably won't get one until after the sunday match against orlando where they won't be participating in as already noted by tata martino but maybe that monday or tuesday at training hopefully we can get some updates right before the us open cup final it's literally going to be right before like 48 hours to 24 hours before when we know if messier is going to play or not also shout out to sergio who's been i guess obviously a little bit lucky to not have to deal with anything but in reality he's been out there every almost every single match playing a ton of minutes orchestrating the midfield and of all the three guys he was the one that i would expect least to be able to do this and he's honestly done such an amazing job so i am happy to see that that has been able to do that um so yeah we have the update from tata martino i'm going to look through some of these comments if you guys have anything to add right now go ahead and bring it up i think one of the best ones that we can talk about here is what jeremiah has to say i think tata needs to stop the favoritism with joseph martinez i know that that's a discussion we've had so many times on the pod if you guys haven't already go ahead and check us out at messy and co on twitter you can type in messy in your favorite podcast platform and find our podcast there you can listen to all of our pregame postgame and midweek talks and if you haven't subscribed on the youtube channel where we put our live shows do that because we are here all the time giving you updates on inter miami and leno messi but jean i always let you weigh in first i'm going to continue it does tata martino need to stop the favoritism with joseph martinez and what do you make of joseph martinez starting tonight because for me it was more of this is a weaker side and joseph martinez needs to show me what he's worth and he didn't show him what he yeah i don't know if it's favoritism so i don't want to say that it's favoritism i don't know i mean people have alluded to the favoritism you know they say obviously him and tata martino have a history um joseph and and created a really quick friendship with messy and that was part of helping messy really be able to gel quicker around the team and feel more comfortable here in miami or in fort lauderdale but um i don't know i'm not going to go as far as to say it's favoritism i agree with you you know i think that maybe they started him to kind of knowing that it was against the weaker side giving him an opportunity he hasn't gone many minutes as of late so it could have been that that reason um but i think you notice the difference right away and i think the difference was more noticeable more so because of the formation and the tactics around this start with joseph martinez joseph martinez in my opinion does not work when you only have two up front it doesn't work in a 5-3-2 it doesn't work in a 4-4-2 especially when messy is your other forward because messy is having to do all of the work joseph like messy has to drop into the mid to get the ball messy plays sometimes as a center forward he's doing you saw him tonight the first 30 something minutes that he played he was doing everything meanwhile joseph was basically playing like a wall like like give me the ball i touch it back to you um i i try to make a run i don't like he didn't do much and that one opportunity that he did have i'm sorry i texted i tweeted as soon as he missed that i said campana would have scored that all day like i think that he works more so when you've got him in the middle and you've got a wing on the left and a wing on the right that's where joseph works a little bit more because he's able to he's he's more of a playmaker he's more of joining you know helping the build-up of the play he's not a big time presence in the area so i think that kind of elevated what we saw tonight in the sense of him just being kind of lackluster in in that role so i understand why they why they maybe started him if that's the case because they wanted to give him a chance but at the same time i'm sorry campana is young campana is a young guy when you look at the list of minutes played by all the players in inter miami he's not even like on the top 10 i think he's he's got he doesn't have that many minutes played i know maybe through the last few games but all in all he's pretty fresh so i would have started campana i think the difference i think by halftime if campana would have been there it would have probably been two or three nil by halftime just because there were chances that we missed that i feel like campana would have finished um but at the end of the day i give joseph his minutes i don't think he's here next year so i am i mean i know campana's here to stay he just signed a new contract and he's obviously i mean i don't think at this point i don't know if it's a debate anymore i used to get a lot of hate i love your guys's comments by the way i always check the youtube and all that so i appreciate you guys tuning in some of you guys were like oh stop the joseph banter and it wasn't enough or not the hate on on joseph and i was like you know what guys it's just it's the reality and i think more and more you guys are starting to notice that campana is the superior uh center forward here and he's kind of the center forward of the future but yeah give joseph his minutes here and there yeah so i mean i i think we all are kind of in agreement that this was i i don't think it was a matter of favoritism for this particular game i think it was giving campana a little bit of a rest because he's i would be shocked if he's not starting for the rest of the season you know for every single big moment we have and the leaks cup or the u.s open cup final sunday etc and so i think it was really just giving uh it was giving campana rest in the first in the first uh 60 minutes of the game and that that missed by joseph in the beginning is a miss of someone who's not confident in themselves and who's not been in form and i agree i think campana would have at least gotten it on target you never know if it would have gone in but he would have gotten it on target and um yeah for the formation that they went with which by the way i predicted not to make this all about but it wasn't conducive to having to it didn't make sense to have martinez and messy up there when one obviously you knew was dealing a little bit with some muscular fatigue and issues uh make giving him a role where he was going to clearly have to run a lot as opposed to having it be you but yeah martinez is not the future campana is this wasn't i don't think an indication of what we're going to see moving forward i still think joseph martinez in close games 70 to 90 minutes i think he can still have an impact for the rest of the season like if you if you told me okay it's a close game maybe you're up by one maybe you're tied joseph's gonna come in for the last 20 minutes really stretch the defense and and make them make tough decisions make good intelligent runs i would take i would take that so just about finding the right role for it and uh yeah and i agree with the comment i just said that they they wanted joseph to score against the bad side and get his confidence up and he he did it yeah i think you know everything that we were mostly it's loud in the background but um everything that we were concerned about with joseph martinez the comparisons we were making with campana were definitely on display tonight they've been on display all season long to be completely honest with you i don't even know if joseph has scored more than one or two goals from open play uh since you know as he joined the team i i can't really recall um somebody can go ahead and fact check me on that but i don't think it's been multiple goals from open play for joseph martinez and as for campana if he would have scored tonight it would have been his fifth goal in what three games he already had five and three coming into it and one of those he didn't even start one of those he came off early there's so much to to say i think that right now 100 you have to go yeah i just i just think the lineup that that that came out with tonight was not the best decision in my opinion especially i totally agree i see you're going against again a bottom tier team that doesn't score much the average less than half the average less than one goal of game and we mentioned this they've gone so many games scoreless like why do you come out with a back line of five that to me didn't make sense you're taking someone out of the attack to put them into the defense when you don't necessarily need that so i think that that was strange farias in the midfield as opposed to up front on the wing that made no sense to me there were at times where i would see i would see busquets and ruiz higher up than farias and it was what this was made alva run a lot more than he probably knowing that they same thing with messi i mean they put pata very strangely put messi and alba in two positions with this particular formation that was gonna have to have them run a lot which i don't know why you would do when two players are coming back from rest quote-unquote it didn't make sense i should have been the four i mean i had predicted the five three two but it should have been the four three three i think it would have made a lot more sense with having martinez or campana but then having farias on the left having um why did i just play messy i wasn't gonna say that but you come out these crazy things i was like i was taylor i'm sorry messy i don't know what show we're on yeah and so with them on the top and then arroyo maybe it was the same idea of resting him because they knew they were going to be playing him a ton of minutes coming down the stretch so they wanted to hold off but i think i don't think we're gonna i mean sunday obviously now that we don't have alban and messi it may be an aberration but i imagine moving forward if we have our best 11 available we're gonna be in the 4-3-3 yeah i think that's our best i think that's our best lineup you you need farias on the wing that's where he does the best that's where there's the most uh danger on the attacking side for us you noticed that the the attack just wasn't there in the first half then those changes came in the second half completely different second half completely different second half much better on the attacking end much more pressure obviously we scored those three those three goals so i i think that i i'm hoping it's a learning lesson for dada and he doesn't go with his 5-3-2 again unless he really feels like he needs it against a really strong attacking team like maybe you know atlanta or something like that or but no more no more two up front with just joseph you need you need to be able to hide him with at least two guys on the wings moving forward i mean what do you guys think if you if it's displayed as like a 5-2-3 or a 3-4-3 because farias for me although in the first half he looked a little bit too central and wasn't combining with jordy alba as much uh early on before he got subbed off i think jean you actually alluded to that on one of your tweets um and jordy does a lot better when he gets to have a partner with him robert taylor and him have combined really well at times in terms of overlaps and things like that if you look for more of a 3-4-3 if a royal can play next to busquets and kind of walk down that midfield obviously with david ruiz i think that's why you saw farias a little bit more centrally because they wanted to be a little bit more secure and in terms of progressing the ball i mean i think it was important to have a playmaker like him there but if you can go to a 3-4-3 and use busquets and arroyo and then have a front three of farias campana and leno messi then it looks a little bit better in my opinion you don't have to make up for that um weaker link in the midfield i again i thought david ruiz was great today don't get me wrong he again was my under under the radar man in the match i said that earlier on um but i'm not opposed right now to the five at the back just because this team has been very susceptible to individual errors and i think all the cover is needed i don't think that kamal miller played a fantastic game tonight he looks slow especially towards the end of the game obviously thomas abula has put in a ton of amazing challenges uh but we saw what he is able to show uh in the last match against atlanta kristoff thank goodness he was okay after that nasty nasty head injury um but he continued on i think that those three formulate a trio that can be very tough to break down and if you're only playing two of those guys you don't have a set partnership right now between any combination it makes it a lot easier for them to have gaping holes for other teams to to counter and when you get deeper into this playoff run and if they actually make the playoffs and they start playing against stronger sides with really good attackers i'm thinking about you know any of the attackers that columbus has orlando has um and atlanta has it again if they're to see them in the playoffs that's where i get a little bit concerned and that's why i would think that maybe staying with back five makes the most sense but that's me being that pragmatic annoying kind of football mind when in reality everybody wants to see a little bit more progressive style of play but to right but for right now i don't think they have the centerbacks that are capable enough to play that style at least they haven't shown it together that i'm 100 confident because yes sporting kansas city was not a bad match between um abula's and miller but up until you know when when the 75th minute hit everything turned over it was a complete 360 and it looked like sporting kansas city really had a chance to to get points because of the way miami were defending and i also don't think that they have good defensive midfielders other than dixon royal right now to go ahead and cover that back line to its fullest extent sergio busquets alongside dixon royal we have critiqued them at times in the way that they've rotated into the back line and protected the back line from time to time so i'm i think that it makes more sense to stay with the back five you've gotten results with the back five and it doesn't necessarily take away too much if you're at full strength in terms of the attacking front i think that you can use the edlin and alba in ways that look more like wingers and midfielders you can connect with messy the component is there this is obviously given everybody is help yeah i i think that that the issue there with the defense is more so because we there's no balance wait where'd you buy this guy oh uh these are tom ford oh excuse me did you write that comment from your burner that's my oh bad uh what was i saying um okay so yeah yeah so real quick about the defense so i think the the biggest issue really is that the defense sometimes is imprecise when they're building out of the back and they're putting in these passes that are creating that are getting intercepted and they're creating these counters and the and so that's one of the issues but the other issue is that we've got both of our full backs there's no balance like they're always both up so that's why we usually get these counters where it's just miller and and kristoff or miller and ivy list where i think that what might fix the issue is if you've got if alba goes up yet let's stay back a bit if the other thing goes up obviously back a bit but that doesn't happen often they're always both way high up in the attack and it's and then we get screwed over and that's happened a lot so where i i understand that that back five with those three cbs kind of does adjust that issue but i don't like that simply because again you take someone out of the attack in order to do that i think you can fix that if you just balance your left and your right side both don't go up but that's going to be a tactical thing that i don't know if that's going to do simply because there's been a lot of games he's had the opportunity to do that he just doesn't do it well to see a lot of unknowns i think it's you know we're gonna just over the next couple of days and certainly by next wednesday we will have a better grasp of who's available what formations are you know when you're trying to win a game because it's a final is one thing as opposed to just trying to keep your point there's there's a lot of moving pieces so i think it's going to be one of those situations where we have to kind of wait and see how availability plays out for sure so as we wrap up the post-game show here let me just go very briefly through everything that we talked about into miami's obviously getting the 4-0 win over toronto fc in some styleable fashion i must say robert taylor scoring some absolute banger goals we talked about him early on but being that consistent attacker from back to front the defense keeping a clean sheet in the back five all of that was good but obviously this game has been overshadowed by the injuries to leonel messi and giordi alba and as per tata martino he does not believe at this current moment that it is muscular injuries it's more so fatigue tata martino also confirmed that it was not the plan for leonel messi and giordi alba to come off early in this match what early means i'm not sure does it mean they were supposed to go 90 minutes or just 60 i'm not 100 but 37 was most definitely not the plan there was something happening there and they both came off due to muscle fatigue injury i don't even know what to call it at this point tata martino confirmed that giordi alba and and he also states that pretty much their availability for wednesday is still in question he lists them as day today and says that if they're not able to go in a cup final or if he doesn't feel that they're 100 they will not be playing so it is not confirmed or denied if they'll play next wednesday against houston dynamo but it is confirmed that they will not be playing on sunday against orlando city i think that covers it all jian ashley thank you so much again for doing this post game show for everybody tuning in make sure you subscribe hit the like button turn on notifications so you can get all of our post game shows go straight to your phone or you can follow us on twitter for updates as well 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