We moved our abandoned sailing yacht! Christmas Special [S2-E7]

Hi and welcome to a Christmas special of Sailing Melody. In today's episode we get the boat moved, we start thinking about redesigning the entire pilot house and also we answer a load of your questions from the comments. I'm Andy, I'm Melissa and I'm Jack and together we're working on restoring our sailing yacht. Some of you might think we're crazy taking on the challenge of restoring this boat and creating a life less ordinary and we're sure there will be blood sweat and tears but it'll all be worth it when we embark on our epic adventure around the world. Hey everyone, we got here this morning and they've moved the boat which is fantastic news because we're really right next to the the electrical supply so we can do some proper work on the boat now. We can do some welding, we can get stuck in a lot easier, it's a lot more convenient where it is so thanks very much guys for moving the boat that's really good. Yeah so what we're doing is we've got the guys from the yard to lift up the front of the boat a bit because she was nose down so all the water that was rain, all the rain water was pooling at the front of the cockpit, oh thank you, all the water was pooling at the front of the stringers so and it was just nose down so what we've had to do is just get the guys to lift the front of the boat and we're chocking it so it's slightly back rather than slightly forward. So she's all propped up on the nose now at the right angle which means she's not going to be pooling water in the cockpit all the time and we're now in a position where we can work on her properly. Oh that's much better, that's much better, it's a much nicer angle for her to sit at, everything's going to drain properly now. Just thought I'd bring a little gift to the lads in the yard, they've been really helpful to us and moved the boat into a better spot so I thought I'd leave them a little something to say thank you, that might make them happy. First things first, cup of tea, oh did you bring milk up? Yeah. What the weather or the coffee? Let me show you one of the issues that we're encountering, obviously every one of these stainless posts is stainless obviously and it's bolted through into the mild steel and there is some silicon or what looks like some sort of barrier there but I don't think that's deemed doing its job because at every point there is corrosion so when you look from a distance you see all this massive amount of rust and it's a lot of it is just this, look it's just rust staining on the paint but obviously there are some issues here so what I've done is earlier on we started at the front of the boat and we started cleaning this up and just treating it, it's not a perfect job, we're going to do the job properly in the spring but as you can see here's one I did earlier and the steel is good, it's actually, I think this redness is where because I wasn't, I was working outdoors and where I'd been grinding there was some grindings on the floor and when we painted this obviously that's unfortunately blown up and landed but we can just treat that area but my point is once you grind this back to bare steel and then use, we use the needle gun and a grinder with a flap disc and a wire wheel and then we use some rust converter and paint it up and it's come back fantastically. The other issue we had on the day that we did this was the day we cleaned it all up, started painting and no sooner did we start painting the heavens opened so we ended up having to hold the tarp all in up in the air and paint under the tarp because we had to get the paint on that day because of the rain so that's not the end of the world, we can, that's easy enough to get back to where it was but at least that's covered up and we'll survive till the spring when we can do the job properly instead of just deteriorating more and more over the winter. One thing that we're contemplating is a major rebuild which is to move the galley down here into the saloon and have the upstairs just as a living space, we'll keep this area as a living space. Living space and be able to convert it into a double for guests. For guests yeah and then not have the galley upstairs but have a more comfortable living and seating area upstairs in the pilot house which will also give better access to the aft cabins when we put them in so what were you going to say? The galley will be, I think it will be better cooking underway if it's lower down, lower down and more in the middle of the boat rather than up in the higher up swinging around. So the plan is I think is to put the galley over there, we've noticed when we sit down here we only ever tend to sit on this side anyway. The floor, the flat floor of the boat carries all the way out to here so it's not like you're going to have to be standing in the companion way to cook, won't stand quite that close but we can have the work surface here. Yeah the work surface can recess, can recess behind it. So upstairs one of the, you what? You just filmed me like trying to blow hot steam rings. Did you? Oh it'll be good some good outtakes. One of the reasons for moving the galley downstairs is we're good friends with Pamela Wall and if you've never heard of Pamela Wall where have you been? You should look her up. You should look her up, she's kind of our mentor and guide for all of this stuff and if you look her up you'll see why but the piece of one of the pieces of advice she gave which we already knew but it's it's golden advice is that the you really need to have pilot berths off watch berths within shouting distance of the helm and most of the time whoever's on the helm is going to be out here. So we're going to reconfigure this so we'll be moving this galley, I say we will I'm sounding very certain that's the plan, move this galley downstairs we'll have a watch berth here and we'll have a u-berth on this side which converts into a so we'll have lovely seating communal area up here with berths on starboard and port for whatever tack we're on when we're on when we're underway and it means that whoever is off watch can sleep upstairs on starboard or port and still be in shouting distance of the helmsman and we have a spectacular view from up here however we're well aware that pilot houses get really warm so we'll still be able to retreat down into the dark hole of the yeah absolutely so yeah and something else we've considered doing we're get some advice on this would be good these windows are toughened 10 mil glass and they're the same kind of stuff you'd have in a fishing trawler so they're not going to break but one thing that I would quite like to do and we've always done yeah we've done on every boat that we've had is use lexan macrolon polycarbonate tinted because it keeps some of the sun out you can bolt them on the outside it's easier to maintain they're more durable but over a large span like this I wonder whether macrolon would have too much flex and whether you'd end up having to go for something so thick that it would be prohibitively expensive those are all considerations but another thing that we may well do is in the middle of each one or at least one of them put an opening hatch so that yeah we can maintain airflow through the whole boat we can open the doors at the back and open the opening hatch in the middle yeah or one either side yeah and that way we can we can keep good airflow for when we get to hotter climates we can keep the boat cooler we're going to need a stiff brush I'm going to go and see if I can borrow the big petrol jet washer off the lads because stupidly came here to clean the boat a lot of this is just green it's not that bad so I came here to clean the boat I've got the flipping jet washer idiot okay so we can borrow the jet washer from the yard but we're not going to today after all it's a big petrol one but what we're going to do is book it for a day when we can come and have it for the whole day so today we're just kind of hand cleaning but the weather has turned this is what I mean Wales it's now blowing 30 knots I don't even know if you can hear this in the camera it's blowing 30 knots pouring with rain we're getting soaking wet freezing cold and that's what we're going to be doing for the rest of the winter after completely failing to clean the outside of the boat it started pouring with rain so mum and dad started to think about redesigning the pilot house well we've stopped cleaning the outside for a bit so that we can come back and have the big jet washer booked for a day or just remember to bring our own one from home yeah the weather's just turned disgusting now so there's no point to getting soaked to the skin I've got plenty of getting soaked to the skin to do this winter I think so we better get used to it okay so with it being rubbish weather the next thing in the job list today is we're going to take some measurements of the pilot house so that we can start working on some sketches drawings designs some 3d stuff 3d modeling and we'll have you to see what we want the pilot house to look like we might might do some CAD we might do some physical 3d models and we might just do it in good old fashion draftsmanship pen and paper but we'll see this bandolier for 38 is the kind of thing that we want to do you can see the u-shaped berth in the pilot house and the arc having has a bed like we're thinking of here's a picture of the seating in the pilot house the floor is raised a little for a better view we would have to move the steering wheel that might cause us a problem and here's the galley downstairs like man was describing earlier we've decided we're going to measure from the steel of the hole to the steel of the hole because there's so many discrepancies in the the width of these cabinets and the distance between the back of the cabinet and the hole and all of that stuff that we were getting too many compound errors so we're going to go from the steel to the steel uh where possible obviously that's problematic because we can't we don't want to rip the cabinets out just yet so i'm going to go into the engine bay to try and get as accurate as we can this is just purely so that we can do some kind of sketches and 3d models of how we want the pilot house yeah when we're at home and then we can get some idea with a reasonable accuracy of what the layout might be can't get measurements there there's a solid steel bulkhead and the diesel tanks are right up against it right we've got an accurate floor plan steel to steel of the size of the floor at the level where the floor is i've done some drawings of the chart table which are pretty accurate it takes a long time to make these measurements so it's going to take me a while to plan everything out we've got the plans here the original plans we've kind of got the original plan taped back together whoever photocopied this i think they must have been in a hurry because they pushed it through the photocopier and it's for the folds and creases and buckles and bends that has given me a problem but it's not an insurmountable problem a small scale model like this means we can visualize our ideas in three dimensions and make mock-ups of different layouts as we go along just before we go i thought we'd show you what we achieved today without the jeshua jet washer i might have so it's a bit pathetic and we didn't do it for very long but um a little bit better already these areas of rust are very local and the paintwork paint is actually we're not going to keep the paintwork obviously we're going to repaint the whole boat but a lot of people are saying sandblast the whole boat and we might do but i honestly don't think we will because spot blasting yeah depending on what we get back from the ultrasound but the the finish is good there's stretches and there's little tiny like this little tiny bit and that may end up yeah sure it may end up being this big but it's not rusted through and for the most part the paintwork is really decent it's and also it's very heavily fared um and if we spot blast the whole boat we'll not only be repainting we'll be refaring the entire hull as well and i just don't think it's necessary i think the finish has lasted 30 years is it 30 years 40 years no yeah it's 40 years and the only places where you know she's gone yeah obviously there's she's had a scratch there so that's gone that needs doing but the paint finish has not failed and again i'll just point this out that's not rust that's a rust stain that's running around from where there's rust around the window so all that is just just brown staining on the white paint um i'm not sure how this is going to turn out on the video because of the audio because it's just really really windy here but you get the idea things aren't as bad as they first appear and that's often the case with metal boats it's often the case that they look worse than they are yeah and we're expecting there to be parts that are worse we're expecting there to be parts that are worse than what we think they are and that's fine we're we're prepared for that and if it ends up costing us more than we expect that's fine too it will still cost us less than buying a custom steel boat and if it costs us the same as a you know a production boat that's okay we've got our own boat what we haven't done is taken out a loan to buy it exactly we'll know the boat inside out we won't have any debt on it don't go away now because we can answer a bunch of questions from the youtube comments merry christmas eve everybody um hi everyone so we're too small a channel yet to do a q a there's no point we haven't got enough followers uh so we're not doing a q a but we have had loads and loads of questions on our youtube videos uh which we've kind of answered in the comments and we love having them so please do send us more but we thought what we'd do today is very quickly uh uh just answer some of your questions um first of all though before we get into the questions um i just wanted to say a massive thank you to everybody um who's subscribed to the channel we've had so many more subscribers we've had so many more views if you have a look at this graphic that i'm putting up now you'll see how much the channel has grown over the last few weeks um for those of you that have been a bit confused about what's going on with miss rosie and aeolus and what have you just to clarify what you're watching now is season two uh which is the story of how we're doing up this big steel boat the other videos that you see with miss rosie they're from season one we've still got miss rosie and we're still going to be sailing her but thanks very much to everybody who's who's watched and subscribed and if you haven't subscribed uh please do click the subscribe button hit the notification bell and then you you'll stay up to date with our episodes every wednesday so uh getting on with the questions um we're going to rattle through these quite quickly because there's quite a lot of them we don't want to make it too long um question number one comes from oh dear greg bolito greg bolito and it says this is good to see whose idea was this and how long did it convince to take the others um how long did it convince to take the others how long did it take to convince the others is that not what i said no how long how long did it take to convince the others uh so i'll start with that one really it it's not really my idea although i've uh as people who know me for a long time mark and garradine and chris clark will tell i've wanted to sail around the world for years for decades um and i've been sailing for decades uh and i've had lots and lots of boats uh and then when i met melissa i didn't have a boat but we soon the very first thing we ever bought together on valentine's day was a boat on ebay we bought a pandora uh mark one um which we never sailed we never actually got around sailing that no because we quickly decided that we wanted something with a bit more accommodation um so in terms of convincing melissa and jack to sail around the world there's been absolutely no convincing and we were uh watching one of the videos that's yeah hi pam happy christmas happy christmas so we're sort of like should we do that and then we were both like yeah so we yeah we weren't kind of watching all the youtube sailing channels or anything like that we already we were watching pam wall um and an interview that she did about kandaric and looking around kandaric that really kind of inspired us and uh she really is our inspiration and our mentor and um and we're good friends now as well so which is ace but and after that we started getting into the youtube sailing channels so we were already kind of making plans to head off and sail around the world uh before we started getting into into the whole youtube thing really yeah um yeah sort of i don't know we pretty much made up our minds yeah instantly and then started researching and stuff that's it and and um those of you who think it's kind of my project and i'm i'm lucky to have found somebody who's prepared to do this with me it's not like that a lot of what's happening uh that you see on the videos is as much motivated by melissa as it is by you jack did you take much convincing you're happy to sail around the world aren't you yeah because there's wildlife you love the wildlife you're really looking forward to it we haven't had to like convince you to sail around the world have you okay good next question melissa by the notable designs of this whole or is it a one-off um it was you could buy you could buy a plan wasn't it you could you couldn't buy the plans for this no no sorry you couldn't buy the plans you could um paid for fl stillcraft to make a similar model but the person that bought it actually customized it and modified it to his what he wanted that's right so uh this particular boat was designed by a very famous yacht designer named john teal who's got books he's an author and yacht designer so it's not a kind of back of a fag packet design fl steelcraft this is the quick version fl steelcraft were a boat builders in wales in the late 70s and early 80s they commissioned john teal to design a range of yachts a small one and a bigger one and a bigger one going bigger and bigger john teal designed them a range of boats and you could commission fl steelcraft then to build them for you to order the particular guy that ordered this original boat picked the 35 foot boat from the catalog as but then he requested certain modifications he wanted a bowsprit and he wanted a different underwater profile so there's a different keel design he wanted a lifting fin keel and ultimately had a sugar scoop added as well so it's kind of a one-off but it's a one-off based on a proper design by a proper yacht builder by a proper yacht designer and built by a proper boat builder lots of proper proper and also do you still do the fl steelcraft no fl steelcraft doesn't exist as a company anymore what a shame because it's beautifully made moving on next question do you have a project launch date for melody do you have a projected launch date for melody no we don't but what we want to do is get her in the water by the time jack leaves primary school which will be two years two and a half years something i would say about that lots of people have said and quite correctly so it's going to take years and years and tens and tens of thousands of pounds to get that boat finished and i absolutely agree but it depends what you mean by finished if you mean gutted inside and out bespoke interior new mast new rigging new steering new engine new winches new electrics yeah absolutely tens of years and tens of thousands of pounds but if you mean usable that means not sinking so a watertight hull that doesn't sink with a working propulsion system by which i mean sails and rig working not necessarily new so new running rigging probably new standing rigging the sails are actually in good condition the engine needs some work but doesn't need rebuilding and refitting and an interior which is yeah the engine's fine it starts so and an interior which is livable in and again bear in mind people like pan wall when she first set off it was a bear hull with a floor and camp bed and a cooking stove it depends what you mean by finished so we're happy to move aboard melody once she's in the water floating and has got propulsion and steerage and is seaworthy and safe we're not bothered about having every single last little detail finished it might well be that we we sail down to the mediterranean with the sails that we've got and then challenge the sails in the med it might be that we get halfway around the world and decide to swap the engine out but we just want to get the boat working usable and seaworthy so there you go um no proposed launch date but a two-year timeline next question melissa um yeah this one's for you um is jack 25 years old are you 25 years old absolutely not how old you're nine jack is not 25 years old jack is nine years old he may act very grown up but he is definitely nine he's definitely nine next question that was a quick one um so i'm going to read the whole thing out because this is a lovely statement oh we didn't say who that was from that was from truth yeah okay well this one is from mark clifton who's messaged us a couple of times hi guys have watched all of your videos i think you're a wonderful family thank you very much and an inspiration to most people you may thank you very much you may be wrong um to take on a boat this size and to want to sail around the world great most of us can only dream but if you have the bottle and you certainly like you certainly have then i wish you all the luck in the world can i can i ask a couple of questions how are you going to cover your living expenses are you going to self-school jack have you thought about medical emergencies abroad as there's no nhs so um melissa question number one how are we going to cover our living expenses and boat repairs um we're going to be doing some work on board we're going to do most of the work ourselves yeah um you may travel back to do some work potentially i'm going to fly back to the uk yeah we have we have a plan for income and obviously we will most likely be renting a property out so we'll have some rental income yeah we have some property that we're going to rent out we're going to be working as we go around and i'm going to fly back to the uk periodically to get some jobs and also i'm going to have to go back yes exactly mr jack has got clearance so we have to go back to the uk every so often yeah for his appointments uh jack can answer this question are you going to self-school jack what are we going to do about your school jack so we're going to be homeschooling he's spoken to mothership address yeah about living on a boat and homeschooling so summarize yes we're going to be homeschooling jack um i worked in primary schools as a teacher i've worked in secondary as a teacher um and melissa and i are both capable of teaching most subjects up to gcse i think but obviously though it will be quite a learning curve yeah and there's a big bottom line is there's a huge network um of families doing this there's a lot of support there's a lot of curriculums available uh we're taking that side of things very seriously and looking into all the different options and curriculums available so yeah if anyone's got any suggestions of what curriculums they use anyone then do let us know part three of that question by mark clifton is have you thought about medical emergencies abroad as there's no nhs yeah absolutely we're going to have obviously medical insurance and all that kind of stuff um i'm actually a paramedic um so i've been i'm a paramedic currently with welsh ambulance service uh i've done advanced trauma life support um i'm planning to do if possible i may not get it done but i'm planning to do an advanced paramedic practitioner's master's degree so with a prescribing module as well before i go um and i will have a nice range of kit which i'm going to buy to stop the boat up really nicely partly obviously for our safety but also because then i'm available to the cruising community on places you know it'd be nice to for medical support places yeah he's a really handy person to have around if you injure yourself it's not a bad idea i'm not no my bedside man is awful but um yeah i'm not very sympathetic but i'm efficient i get um next question is from francis mon montechio francis montechio does jack really have cochlear implants i don't mean to pry i'm just deeply impressed by you all all the more with having to deal with something like this well done do you really have cochlear implants jack yeah go on then over to you um so this is well basically my cochlear implant this battery part that's the battery yeah yeah and um there's a magnet here which sticks onto my head this is yeah it's on it is on but it can't see around the side of your head well there's a magnet right here on my head um which i don't know under the skin under there's a magnet under the skin yeah i had to have to have a operation for that yeah so jack um was born profoundly deaf um there was times that we worried that he would never never speak um never be able to hear um so we used to do lots of sign language which jack's not really interested in at the moment um but he had no hearing until he was implanted at 17 months old and then he had his implants turned on at 18 months um and then it was a slow process of introducing him to loads of different sound and lots of speech therapy lots of hard work um and now he doesn't stop talking but what we will say is he doesn't hear like us um his hearing is different to everyone else which is pretty cool because that's your magical superpower isn't it and the great thing is is jack when it's noisy yeah so before he had his cochlear implants they've tested him to 120 death bells um with hearing aids on which is equivalent to the noise of a jumbo jet and we had no reaction at all um so he was yeah the only comparable um thing really is uh when a man is watching the grand prix and zones out his wife that's the only comparable thing in nature where that level of deafness becomes to me i do not understand anything there so i think yeah jack still has um selective hearing um but there's lots of times that jack struggles with background noise and things which are all considerations that we have to take into account when we're on the boat um we'll we'll have to go back to the uk for appointments and things like that yeah so yes that's it uh next question i am new to this channel do you guys get a boat get a different boat every week no tell us the story of the boats that we've had in the lesson so um obviously on our sailing channel we've had aeolus which was our first little boat which was a bilge keeler um we have sold aeolus and we no longer have aeolus but she stayed she has stayed local she has a lovely guy called alec has brought her yeah and i'm going to be going sailing with alec in the spring no doubt yeah so she's still in caravan which is nice um and then obviously we bought miss rosie well we've got miss rosie and we sailed her back from falmouth um with the plan of sailing her to the med and if you want to see the episodes of um sailing back from falmouth go back to season one click on our channel click on playlists and go back to season one and there's the whole of that journey there and yeah so don't turn it off now no don't turn it off now at the end of this episode so um sorry melissa with the plan of sailing yeah so the plan was to um obviously sail miss rosie to the med um and she is an amazing boat she's lovely we love her to bits and she's not going anywhere yet um all the time but we but unfortunately she's too small she's too small too small for a family of three if when we will be selling this rosie when melody is more complete and if anybody is interested do drop us a line she's incredibly well kitted out boat she's got everything you could possibly want and she's more than capable of of sailing around the entire planet she's a blue water boat but for a family of three she's the living uh accommodations some people could do it but we decided that we wouldn't be able to do it there is a family with three children on board sailing around the world in a great day in 28 but um i think they've got two there's four there's four of them on the boat so for a couple or you could do with the family if the boat's capable we just want something with a bit more room yeah so uh we're keeping this rosie until melody is a bit further down and we're going to be still saying miss rosie but we we hadn't actually we decided when we got miss rosie but that was it we weren't going to get another boat um and we were driving around on a rainy windy day and i managed to convince andy to drive to hollyhead just to have a look around the boatyards um and we saw melody sitting in the corner looking sorry for herself and that's when we the next day you rang the marina to ask about her don't you yeah and we haven't planned yet right next one oh i've just uh what have i done there right this is a really good comment as well um from elmer burley uh again there's got a couple of questions here hello captain jack you are a very informative sailor and i can't wait to see you and your family in the future in bahamas bootle bay i have a couple of questions maybe you can help me with number one where did the term knots come from so by not like speed not speed yeah speed so a long time ago um they had like long really long string how well string or quite long yeah really long um they tied knots in it exactly the same well can you remember how far apart the knots were six foot six foot no no no sorry seven fathoms which is 42 feet one fathom is six foot seven fathoms so about over a melody apart yeah 42 feet pretty much one melody from the every 42 feet so every 42 feet they put a knot in the rope yeah and they throw well they throw the knot overboard and they count how many knots go board if three go board um it in what time um 33 seconds in 30 seconds yeah yeah that's it so that's good question number two um from elmer burley how many miles are there in a degree i think it's 60 isn't it or is it i'm pretty sure it's 60 miles in a degree we'll check that out but i think it's 60 miles in a degree and if we're wrong well whether we're wrong or whether we're right the correct answer will appear here yes jack did watch loads of videos on it yeah uh and i hear you british i don't understand this one i hear you british saying bits and pieces what is that is it like fish and chips no so with i say bits and bobs bits and bobs like we've got a drawer full of bits and bobs which might be the same as bits and pieces maybe is that the same no i don't think as far as i'm aware bits and bobs bits and pieces it just means stuff yeah stuff that yeah yeah yeah if you've got a drawer full of stuff everyone has that drawer don't they in the kitchen full of bits and pieces and fish and chips now if you've never had british fishing we've just had fish and chips for dinner from the local chip it was very nice and also i said i feel as fat as henry the henry the eight next question um right melissa you can read that one oh yes terry taylor thank you for your comment hi guys wouldn't it have been safer to leave the guard rails and running rigging till last the boat is pretty high up one false move and you're over the edge think of little jack take my advice keep jack and your wife off the foredeck you must make a stern rule from now on only yourself to be on the foredeck at one time right i'll answer this one jack um he's very well trained aren't you jack and we're very aware of the dangers of boats and we're very aware about jack falling over and jack is very aware um we as to me i'm perfectly capable of moving around the boat um you don't need to send me to the cockpit andy no i i would be in a bad place if i banished melissa once again um in my misogyny insisted that melissa stay put that would be that would be a bad move it would be a bad move so we now yeah exactly but we you know we all work together on this project it's not andy doing the work and me making the dinner absolutely and we do appreciate your concern terry absolutely it's a very uh you know we genuinely do appreciate yes the guard rails are off at the moment because we're treating under them as soon as we have treated under them they will be going back on and and also bear in mind there are lots of days when i'm at work because i'm working for the ambulance service where melissa will go to the boat without me and she'll carry on doing metal work and grinding and cutting and painting without me there so um it's not just i'm doing the work and melissa's making the case i definitely couldn't stay in the cockpit no it's it's do you make some very nice tea thank you yeah it's not just me doing the work and melissa making the tea like a good wifey half the time melissa's doing the work and i'm not even there so there you go is that the end of the questions i think that's the end of the questions guys i think so um there's loads more but they were the ones that i picked out we will do this again sometime we'll answer a load more of your questions and we'll answer a load more of your questions in the next uh a few weeks we'll do another sort of a rundown yeah you're gonna um we're actually going into lockdown again here in wales um on the day that we're filming this yeah um we're going into lockdown we're going to be locked down over christmas unfortunately so you might have to bear with us we might have to get a bit creative with some of the episodes yeah because unfortunately we're not going to be able to go to melody no melody is in a boatyard which is about an hour away so it's not too far we can we can be we'd be there within the hour um but uh bear in mind we are about four or five weeks ahead with our footage so we've got footage for the next month and that's another thing where you may say put a comment on a on a video and we've already kind of addressed that issue by the time you actually see them but still coming away because we might still be scratching our heads for answers absolutely so thanks very much again for for watching uh really hope you enjoyed the episode sorry this one was a bit longer than normal but um congratulations to those of you that made it to the end uh and uh yeah 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