LIVE: DHS Secretary Mullin Holds Ohio Roundtable on 287(g) Partnerships

Well, um, just kind of give the run of the show. What we're going to do is one go around, let everybody have opening statements, just going to talk and then we're going to open up for the press to ask questions. I want to thank all the press for being here. Um, you know, we're fighting every single day to bring down the crime that's on our streets. And President Trump's leadership has done that. We have, uh, we have kidnapping, murder, carjacking, uh, at the lowest levels that since we've been recorded on my murder, murder levels are down, uh, to 126 year low. Um, that's that's amazing to think about where we're at just four years ago. It's because of President Trump's leadership and these individuals around the table. We fight every single day with our partners in state, um, and our federal law enforcement through D. H. S. Regardless of this ice or any of the other 80,000 law enforcement agencies we had that worked through our law enforcement personnel we have that work inside D. H. S. Um, the truth is, uh, for too long, we ignored a problem that was taking place, and the previous administration decided not to do anything about it. When you have open border, you have you have criminals that's going to take advantage of that. You're gonna You're gonna allow individuals to come in that doesn't have the interest of chasing the American dream. I have an interest of taking advantage of the generosity of the American people, and President Trump likes to say this all the time, but 2% of the population is responsible for 80% of our nation's crime, and we saw that rise with the amount of criminals we have coming through our streets are coming in through our borders and being turned loose onto our streets. It's frustrating to me because every single death that happens at a hand of illegal is 100% preventable because a person shouldn't be here. It's just that simple. They shouldn't be on our streets. And when you when you see this happen, it's frustrating. Um, and it wrecks people's lives. And you just think, Why is this become political? This fighting crime shouldn't be a blue issue or red issue. It should be an issue that we should all get behind because all of us live in our communities. All of us have family inside our communities. All of us have friends inside our communities and people, especially these radical Democrats in these, you know, radical politicians that talked about defunding ice and preventing our local law enforcement from being able to work and partner through the 27 G program. It's like, Why are you not wanting to keep your family safe? Because I guarantee is someone's breaking your house. You're gonna be the first one to call 911. Um, what's the difference? You want to say? Well, not everybody came across the border illegally or or are breaking the law or their criminals? Well, actually, yes, they are. They're 100% because they chose to cut the line. They chose to break the law when they decided to come across our border illegally. That means they broke the law. That means they are criminals. Um, that doesn't mean they all have criminal records. They chose to break our laws and is our job to hunt down every single one of them and send them back to where they came from. Uh, it's not fair to the people that chose to do it the right way. We have an immigration system that people can get through and they can enter this country legally, and it happens every single day. None of us would want to be standing in the line of anywhere. I don't care if it's at a football game or was that your favorite restaurant to be seated. No one wants to have someone come in front of cut in front of them. I mean, that's just something for that. You're that you're there for for personal pleasure, much less on this, looking for a life changing experience by being able to get to America and chase that American dream. And you had too many people that came in here legally, illegally, and they don't respect our laws. They've proven that when they didn't come across, um, or enter this country legally. We have every single day we have, um, the worst of the worst that we're resting from child pedophiles, which, in my opinion, there's a special place in hell for those individuals. Uh, rapist murderers, you know, gang bangers, drug traffickers, and the list goes on and on and on. Unfortunately, right before I came in here and sat down in front of these cameras, I was getting briefed by an illegal from India that came across in 23 that was released into our country by the Biden administration. Uh, that took another life driving a C. D. L. Illegally, you know, had a C. D. L. Guess where it came from? California. Who would have thought because that's where the majority of them came from. And they took someone's life. A 50 year old woman, if I'm correct. Is that right? Yes, sir. Um, that's preventable. It shouldn't be on our roads. And yet this is still a political issue. President Trump just simply wants to bring law and order back to our streets and back to our towns. And he's doing that despite the radical politicians. Um, so thank you so much for being here. Thank you for making this a life dedication because everybody is sitting around this table. Um, you decided to serve not because you're doing it for the resources and the finances. You do it because it was a life calling, and you do it because you love it. And I can tell you, you sit in front of you, the secretary of Homeland Security outside of my wife saying yes to me and and allow me to have six wonderful Children. And the fact that for some reason I found grace when I asked the Lord to forgive me. Um, outside of those being secretary of Homeland Security, been the greatest owner of my life. It's a great mission. I love it. What's the better? What's the best mission you had taking care of your backyard? Having responsibility from for our nation where our kids live, our families live, and I get to be surrounded by great patriots like everybody here. Every single day. I meet great patriots, and I just feel humbled to be in this position because you guys are the ones in the streets, and you guys are sometimes taken on the chin from the criticism. But yet you still keep fighting. So thank you so much with that sheriff. I'll turn it over to you. Thank you, Secretary Mullen. This is a huge honor for us here in Warren County, having a department. Homeland Security Secretary Secretary Mullen here with us. It's a big deal why he chose us. I think it's because we're doing things right because of Warren. Um, so I've been your sheriff since since 20 January of 2025. And I have been for my local media partners. You know that I am a quiet professional. I do not choose to get in front of the camera a lot. We just handle business. One of the businesses that we have handled since October of 25 is we have been a part of 2 87 G. I pushed our our agency in that direction. I asked a lot of my crew, and it was simply for this purpose. If you are in this country illegally, I feel you should be sought out, detained, treated humanely and processed according to the law. That has been my stance from day one, and it hasn't changed today. Working with our local federal partners, I believe, is a responsibility and a duty holding true to what our Constitution says. My oath of office says uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and we're lucky to do that. We're lucky to do that here in Warren County. We've been successful in our efforts in in arresting people who come here to work, who live here, who come here to do no good. And that applies to everybody, whether you're here is an illegal alien or not. I'm very proud of my crew, and I'm very proud of our partnerships that we have. Thank you, sir. Mr. Secretary, thanks so much for coming to Southwest Ohio. You know, Warren County is a great, as the sheriff said, kind of low-key, but law and order. And I will say, for the most part, in this part of America, that's not a divisive statement, and it's not really partisan here in Warren County to enforce the law. Now, you get one county south in Hamilton County, they got no cash bail. They don't believe in putting juveniles in jail, even when they do adult crime and all those things. It's the same kind of mindset that breaks that we deal with. Yeah, and what's frustrating about that, Congressman, is that it doesn't stay in that county. It bleeds into counties like Warren County, and they have to deal with the issue. And so just because you're a sanctuary state or sanctuary county doesn't mean you're doing justice. You're actually causing harm and allowing your harboring and abating the criminals that are going just outside your area, too, and they're flooding our streets. And so that's a great point, Congressman. Thank you. Yeah, that's exactly it. And, you know, like, so for everybody that's watching at home, Secretary Mullen was in the House of Representatives from Oklahoma. I got to know him. We served together there. I was elected to the United States Senate to represent Oklahoma and now tapped by President Trump to lead the Department of Homeland Security. And they don't just talk about sanctuary cities. They work to establish them. They don't just talk about open borders. I wish that the last administration simply did nothing because they actively facilitated an invasion of our country. They corrupted apps designed to keep people out of the country until they could get adjudicated hearings into a mechanism to deliver them into sanctuary cities in the United States. So I'm disappointed that our small but mighty majority has not defunded sanctuary cities. I wish we were going to be doing that in the run-up to the election, and I wish we had already done it. But the next best time is, you know, the next day we're in session. But I am glad that our small but mighty majority funded a surge in funding to help these agents go out and do their jobs. Democrats did block funding for ICE, Border Patrol, and Homeland Security investigations for nine months, and we found a way to break that. That was action. That wasn't just talk. That was action that we broke. And so I'm glad we could work together to deliver that, and I hope we can do more. So, you know, a lot of the folks I talk to in law enforcement, they say, ask, tell, make. We've asked. If you're here illegally, please leave. We've told you. You're here illegally. You need to leave. And here's $2,600 to help you on your journey. But I do believe you're doing the right thing to make. You know, you can't let cities and states be an open rebellion to the sovereign authority of the United States. Which foreign nationals are lawfully present in the United States? Great. Let's have a debate about that in Congress or whatever. But when the law is passed and you're here illegally, the right answer is, ask, tell, make. And I hope you make more people leave. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Christopher? Christopher Norris. I'm the acting assistant field office director for the Cincinnati office. Primarily, I'm here today because I want to acknowledge and highlight the accomplishments of the Warren County Sheriff's Office during the 287G program. My office directly works with them daily. We also work with the Butler County Sheriff's Office and their 287G program. And I just wanted to be here to show my appreciation to Sheriff Riley and everything we've accomplished to highlight that. Thank you. Luke? Good morning. I'm the acting assistant field office director for the Columbus ICE ERO office. I'm with the Columbus Metropolitan Area and the Central 26 counties in Ohio. And Secretary to your point, as well as to your point, Congressman, one of the unique factors of Columbus is that it has Interstate 70, which runs east and west across the United States. So although Columbus is not the largest city, we get a lot of transit traffic, including boats and trafficking that travels on the interstate, and Columbus seems to be a stopping point for a lot of that activity. So much of our activity, like you were saying, doesn't originate in Ohio and doesn't originate with decisions that the people who live in Ohio make. It's brought to our area by other jurisdictions, and then we just have to deal with it while it's in Columbus. But to Chris's point, as well, we are a very small office for the size of the area to cover. So without our good federal, local, county, state partners, they really have to become a force multiplier and help us do our job because primarily it's public safety and national security, which is unifying to all law enforcement. So we do have good, strong partnerships in the area and in central Ohio to help us achieve that goal. Even with a small office, we do appreciate all the vibration that has done between the law enforcement. Thank you, sir. Kevin, I couldn't see you around that corner. Thanks. Our inside on a snapshot of what we see in our deal today. People that are here on integration 70 of those 270 are in the brain. Seven of them have are here on local all 14 local charges. Seven of them are here on felony level charges. The other seven are mostly misdemeanors. And then of the 14, seven of them are already sentenced. So they're either sentenced to our facility or they go see prison. And then just overall, they're here for a variety of charges from assaults. One of them assaulting one of our off one of our deputies, as well as assaulting one of your immigration officers. A lot of them are frauds. Frauding passing treasury checks. So other public order crimes of OBI license restriction violations, things like that, that are a danger to us all for driving unlicensed or obfuscated. They're dangerous to us all. So any of the inmates that we have in our facility currently have local charges or sentences on them, and all of them came from arresting agencies from eight different jurisdictions within our county. So it doesn't just affect that one area of our county. It affects all over. It's just one of those things that it really does affect us all. Thank you. Sir, thank you for visiting the state of Ohio. Sheriff Riley, thank you for hosting. I'm the acting deputy field office director for the state of Ohio. One of the things I do in my normal day to day work with Luke is we compile all of our statistics and all of our bullet points that we send up to headquarters. And one of the things that I take take notice of is that almost daily we get notes on the success of the 287G program in Warren County. It's something we talk about almost every single day. It's something that we brief our headquarters on almost every single day. There's a note about our relationship, our partnership with Warren County. And for that, Sheriff, I wanted to thank you because it is a daily occurrence that we get to hear good things about your 287G program, your partnership with Mr. Norris' office, and I can't thank you enough for that. Thank you. Director, are you doing me a favor? Yes, sir. For those that may not understand what the 287G program is and how we partner with local law enforcement and how we work with the Sheriff, can you explain that? Absolutely. My name is Matt Kutra and thank you, Secretary, for coming to Ohio. Now, this is two days in a week. I've seen you more than I've seen my wife this week. Lucky. Sheriff Riley, appreciate hosting, appreciate the partnership. Congressman, thank you for... As the field office director, I have the distinct honor of overseeing one of 25 field offices for ERO, enforcement and removal operations. I have... We oversee Michigan and Ohio. We have six offices. We have about 250 law enforcement officers. We have oversight of 11 detention facilities. We have a very large area to cover with a lot of priorities. We could never accomplish the work that we do without our 287G partnership. We have 24 of them here across the state of Ohio, the largest ones being with you, Sheriff, Butler County as well. So the arrests that are being made, not only by our 287G partners, but our officers that are able to be freed up a little due to these partnerships, are out making significant arrests, promoting public safety, national security, and upholding the integrity of our immigration laws. The 287G program is something brought on by Congress, allowing us to give 287G authority, the agency giving 287G authority to our local partners, to be able to enforce immigration law in one of three different models. We have the jail model, like they have up in Butler County, where they can identify somebody who gets arrested and say, hey, this person's unlawfully present in the United States, and they can issue charging documents or work closely with our officers to make those determinations. We have a warrant service officer where they can actually enforce our warrants on the individuals, and we have a task force model where they are out conducting their normal police activities and have immigration authority to identify and apprehend anybody in violation of the model. With that, we'll open up for questions. Secretary, real quick, on the 287G program, I'm sorry, I'm Todd Dykes with NBC affiliate out of Cincinnati, WLWT, and it's nice to see you in Warren County. On the 287G program, never had heard of it until earlier this year, fully versed as best I can be now. One of the reports I've done in late April was about jurisdictional issues. You have very small villages in some cases, two, three full-time officers perhaps, and there was an incident where a couple of officers from a really small village came to Cincinnati and went to some schools and sort of caused a bit of unease, or at least questions. What do you make of the jurisdictional issues? If there's a really small village, are they supposed just to stay within their boundaries and their renting agreements? They generally say so. Just talking about jurisdictional things, I think a lot of people have questions about that since a number of small villages are taking part. Director, you want to take that? Yes, sir. When you are 287G certified, you have to operate within your jurisdictional boundaries. I'll just use this for example, too. The 287G program allows us to get after the criminals faster. Oklahoma, for instance, we have 77 counties. 76 of the 77 counties participate in it. Over 98% of our state troopers are partners also in the 287G program, meaning they went through certification with it. We make more illegal arrests in Oklahoma with a population of 4.3 million individuals, which means we're not a big state, more than all other states with the exception of Florida. And that means our cities are safer and our streets are safer. And when we do that, we can expand and get after the criminal activity faster. What's frustrating to me is I was in New York just recently. That's where we're at, was it New York? We're in Michigan. Yeah, sorry. I've been in a lot of places this week. But we were in New York talking about the Operation Rotten Apple because the liberal mayor or governor up there has banned law enforcement from working with the 287G program. We see the same issue in Virginia and California and Colorado. And when they do that, they're actually aiding and abetting the criminals at that point because we can just expand and get after it faster when we're participating all together. As I say, if we're all in the same boat, we're all rolling in the same direction, and our focus is fighting law enforcement. This isn't a political issue at all. We do have good participation in Ohio. We don't have great participation in Ohio. I wish every county in Ohio would operate like Warren County. If everybody county here in Ohio followed the sheriff's lead, we would be able to, Ohio because of population and because of the situation that Kevin was just talking about a while ago about I-70 running right through here and how much it, you know, and I think Luke, you said it too, about the criminal activity that is running into other areas. If we have all of our sheriffs and our state police working together in this, we can get after the problem faster and make sure our streets are secure and so it's not bleeding from one state to, or from one county to the next because at some point it becomes like whack-a-mole. Let me go over here. Introduce yourself. Hi, I'm James Pilcher with Local 12 News. As you may have heard, just north of here in Springfield, Ohio, there was a large, who has now lost their TPS, temporary protected status. Governor Mike DeWine, also Republican, has spoken out against this. Yeah. What is your claim to the operation there? And also, do you have any comment on the rearing suicide of a person who might have been under that program that was looking to be removed? Well, as we know, suicide is a mental illness and I'm not going to comment on something like that. It was an unfortunate situation that took place by a young man and his family is having to deal with a very horrible situation here. TPS is just that, it's temporary. It was never designed to be permanent. TPS was granted to these Haitians after an earthquake that took place over 15 years ago and we've made 380 arrests in Springfield. We're going to continue to push. We encourage everybody to go home. Your state and your country needs you. That's where you should be headed. If you want to rebuild your country, go back and rebuild it. Take it back. And if you wanted to change your status, you had time to, but TPS was not permanent. Temporary protective status and the court ruled on this that they have that the president obviously has a right to end it just by its name itself. And we're going to continue to do that. We'd encourage individuals that came over here that that status, the temporary protective status has ended to take the self-deportation route. We'll give you $3,000 in a plane ticket and go home. If you go home that way, you might have the opportunity to enter back into the country legally underneath a different status. If we have to deport you because you refuse to leave underneath this administration, you won't come back in. And if underneath a different administration, it'll take you years if you're able to come back and we're trying to make it permanent. We have to push you out and physically deport you because you aren't willing to leave on your own, even though your status has ended. My goal is to make it impossible for you to come back in this country legally at that point. That's called criminal activity. If you're hiring illegals, that's illegal in itself. Just because you have work status doesn't give you status to be in this country. If you have a work permit and your status, your visa or your asylum or your TPS has been canceled, that work visa doesn't matter. And so now individuals that are hiring these Haitians that are claiming that they have a work permit, they're knowingly hiring an illegal and you're in violation. So I get what the governor is saying. I understand what he's saying, but that's illegal labor. That itself is a crime. Scott, working with the Cincinnati Enquirer, advocate for the Haitians in Springfield and the family of the 20-year-old parent who committed suicide, push for at least a relaxation or maybe some exceptions with the ankle monitors and they are asking ICE to rethink the use of the ankle monitors. Is that something ICE would consider? No. Why not? No, because you're on probation. You got paroled. And we want to make sure we know where you're at. So you'll show back up to your court. If you understand the court dates, so many people don't show back up for immigration courts. I forget the percentage. Director, you know what it is? I got, it was over 80%. I think it was 86, 87%. Don't, they never show up. So why would we, if we know those statistics are that high and we're going to, and we're paroling you, but you got to show back up to court. We're going to make sure you show back up. That's a full stop. Now, in this case, this individual is eligible to be paroled by a monitor. What happened between then? I don't know. I do have a tremendous amount of sympathy for as a father of six kids in this situation, but I also know enough about suicide that that is mental illness. Regardless, if it was just then, if it just took place, it's very difficult to explain what took place at the time. But I will say I just, it breaks my heart for the parents, but we were following our procedures. We did our job. What happened when he went home? He wasn't our custody. We're not responsible for that. Well, as we go through the process, we're looking at all of our operations. When I came in as secretary, I wanted to make sure everything we're doing is in the best interest of the public and the best interest in our mission. And so as this develops, we'll have more details that come out. But right now, I'm not wanting to, you know, get into the details of it. And if you guys got questions for everybody else, you can do that. Between with the alternatives to detention program, between the ankle monitor, the telephonic reporting, as well as the smartly mobile app, who determines which of those technologies are used for individuals who are part of the ATV program? Well, it could be the judge, it could be the operation that's operating the detention center at the time. It could be the processors. We kind of allow a whole approach and everybody takes people's opinions into consideration. But if you have a criminal background, we're not releasing you. That's not going to happen. If you have kind of some things we weigh in, if you have a pending status because you're trying to change your status, let's say you're a TPS and you're trying to change it to an H-1B visa or something like that, and you've showed up to court and you've proven you'll show up to court, then we may take that in consideration. So there's a whole lot of things that go into play when we're looking at people that are eligible for the ankle and sometimes wrist monitors because we have a wrist monitor too that looks like an iWatch. We take that all into consideration before willing to parole somebody. If you start on some sort of body-worn GPS like Mr. Peerfeld did, can you switch to either the SmartLink app or the telephonic reporting? And what's that process look like? Well, at that point, it's in the courts. Yeah, it's in the courts at that point. And we'll leave that up to the judge. Can I ask one of you to share a filing request, if you don't mind? Sure. I'm kind of fixated on the size. You've already answered the question. That's fine. Okay, let me go over here because I'm going to get to, I hear you. Yeah, go ahead, sir. Does anybody else remember WKRP in Cincinnati? Because when we were going over here, I was throwing the detail and I was like, no one there remembered it. I didn't think I was that old. Following up on the alternatives to detention, we've talked about some of them. Is there policy within DHS that gives a preference based on the particular migrant's offense? I think it's case by case. I don't think, I mean, Director, you can look at it. But in my experience, it's always case by case. If we look at each situation, each individual completely separate. But, Director? Yes, Mr. Secretary. Every case has so many unique factors to it. Our officers and supervisors have the ability to select the appropriate level. They can escalate, deescalate as needed throughout the process of the case. But yes, all of the factors are taken into consideration. So many, too many to list. And a quick follow up in terms of here in Warren County. Warren County in terms of the 287G, which model is it, the jail model, Ward 36? Yeah, we, I elected to push us in the model of a task force. And that has been our process. As soon as I heard about it, that was the direction that I wanted to go. And quite frankly, I don't want ICE here. They're our partners. But if we can do the job to support them, they have a greater mission than just Warren County. They are needed elsewhere. And I appreciate the Sheriff saying that because we would love to be, ICE would love to be a transport agency where we have a partnership with our local law enforcement like we do with the Sheriff in Warren County, and we come pick them up after they apprehend them. That would be ideal for us. And that's how it should work. But it doesn't work that way. I got, very quickly. I was going here. Sorry. I know. I'm trying to get to everybody. I'm trying to be. Yeah. Go ahead. Sar Tosh City, WDTN in Dayton. We're seeing in communities like Springfield, a lot of community members saying that they don't want ICE or any of these operations happening in their communities. This is kind of a question for anyone to really take, but what's your response to those communities that are getting together and saying they don't want these operations and they're just trying to get more information about like, why is it, why, how far it's being taken? For us, I don't pick and choose which laws I enforce. I enforce our nation's laws. Full stop. Congress, if they don't like it, they can change it. They make the laws. I don't. But we are tasked with enforcing our nation's laws. That's why we're in law enforcement and we'll do that. If the local government doesn't want to do it, if the state government doesn't want to do it, we will step in. We're going to do our job. Regardless of what takes place, we're going to do our job. And I think the sheriff said it in the right way, in the most humane way possible. But we are encountering the worst of the worst every day. And we have to approach every situation like it could be the worst of the worst for everybody. Our goal is for every officer to go home safe. They love their family. I love my family. But at the same time, we keep the public safety in mind. But that's why we're out there, because we're trying to take the criminals off the streets. Okay, I have to wrap up. I'm going to take one more and then I got to go. Yes, sir. He mentioned Gratis Police came down to Cincinnati Public School. What they said they were doing at that time was essentially going in and producing at that school. Is that type of action typical under this agreement? So let me, underneath the Biden administration, 450,000 kids are lost. A lot of them lost to sex trafficking. And and and even labor trafficking. We're trying to locate these kids. We've located it last month. We located 2,900 over 2,900 kids this month. We were just below 900 or say this month, August. We just below 900 kids. We're making an effort. President Trump has made it a priority that we're going to locate and rescue these kids. And unfortunately, you hear cases all the time coming out of absolute horrific situations. These kids were released to sponsors underneath the Biden administration with no vetting and most of these were just traffickers and they put these kids in just horrible situations. I cannot tell you the images that we get every week of these kids were pulling out. So yeah, we're going to schools to find out are these kids there because that's where they were last reported. If they're there and they're safe, great. Are we there to make arrests? Absolutely not. We're there to find these kids, find them. Everybody should want that to take place and the school should be cooperating with us. Unfortunately, we have states that aren't. We've reached out to states and just say, hey, give us, here's the names we're looking for. This is the age of the kid they're supposed to be today because some of them have aged and we have a lot of them now, the 450,000 kids, the 300,000 plus that are still missing. We have a lot of them now that have turned 18. So now we're having a hard time finding them. We have 180,000 that are still under 18 and we're hoping and praying they're in schools. But when we get a notification of where these kids are supposed to be there, they're at this address, was the last known address they're at because they haven't updated it. Then we look at the school district that they should be in and this is the name we're given. This is the birthdate we're given and there was no verification of this and this is trafficking itself by the Biden administration. And we go there and we're saying, are they here? If we can get cooperation from them, it'd be wonderful because that's 100% what we're trying to do. And since we have, we've even, we're spending millions of dollars with contractors now, with outside entities that are willing to help us because we understand when ICE agents show up at the school, people get nervous. They're doing their job though. So we're saying, okay, we'll send people in the schools that don't have badges that are there. That's a nonprofit organization. Those are some of the contracts we have that are willing to partner with us. That's going to go on those schools and ask the same questions. Problem is we're having states now that are telling the schools not to work with us. Are you freaking kidding me? I mean, we've already talked about working with us. You don't want to make sure these kids now are in a safe areas because all these kids are going to school and they're still being trafficked at night. A lot of these kids are still going to school and they're having to work all night. They're living horrific situations. Why wouldn't a school system want to work with us on that? Why is this even a big deal? Why, you guys should be encouraging the schools to work with us. Why am I getting a second question on this issue? Can we not all agree that we should get these kids into safe areas, get them out of harmful situations? That, if anything else we do, that should be one that all of us should agree on because if you saw the pictures that all of us around this table have seen, and it's happened right here in Ohio too, by the way, if you saw those pictures, you'd make this a priority too. It's disgusting. So when I said at the beginning of it that these child predators, there's a special place in hell for them. There is. And one of them is going to be with us because when we find them, we're going to make sure they get punished the way they should get punished to the full extent of the law. And I know we've got to treat them inhumane, but that's a hard one for me. That's a very hard one. I understand. So with that, sorry to get passionate about it. I've got to run because I think I got three more places to be in Ohio. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you.