Pandas Aren’t Real? Wild Theory in China Isn’t so Black & White

Edge of Wonder. Are pandas even real? Well, one wild conspiracy theory says they're not. On the surface, it sounds as ridiculous as believing that space is fake. After all, we see pandas in the wild, right? But has anyone actually seen a panda in the wild? Well, the more we looked into this, the weirder it got. The weirder it definitely got. And this isn't as black and white as we expected it to be. I mean, why aren't there any ancient drawings of pandas? I thought for sure I'd find one. Not a single one. Not in a giant painting somewhere? Yeah, nothing. With an immortal? And why does it seem that they are only found in one very small place in China, starting from 1869? Well, join us on this Edge of Wonder live show as we look deeper into this and ask the questions or ask the question, where did pandas come from? This is weird as is. Also going on this China theme, the Chinese Communist Party is having massive problems from missing ministers and party officials to signs of corruption and economic downfalls. Is something far darker than anyone knows happening behind the scenes in China? Yeah. And at the end of the show, don't miss the live Q&A followed by a meditation slash prayer only on Rise.TV. So with that, we'll see you guys out. On the Edge. And by the way, if you're listening to our Edge of Wonder live show on Spotify, Apple podcast or elsewhere, please leave us a five star rating and review. And also remember to hit like subscribe, follow all that good stuff wherever you're watching us. You know, rumble, rumble, gunging world, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, which, you know, are highly censored on Facebook. You're not going to be seeing us there. Probably not. Yeah. How are you doing, Rob? Well, good until I found out pandas might not be real. I was like thinking this is the most ridiculous, like, quote unquote, conspiracy theory I've ever heard. And then as I started looking into this, I was blown away by what I was finding. And I mean, we did this whole thing on eels about how weird eels are. And I would say pandas are the eels of land animals. That's an impressive comparison considering how crazy eels are. Yeah. It's seriously this and this is so believe it or not, this is an age old question that all zoologists have been scratching their heads over with pandas. Everything we know about pandas shows like whatever, like all the things that we think we know, we still do not know where they came from and why they are here through a portal. I mean, it was a little early for, you know, weird government or even electromagnetic experiments to bring them in through a portal. So what actually happened here? Well, OK, first, why don't we. This is this video that's like going viral right now talking about the conspiracy. But and there's some things that I want to definitely debunk on this video. But then there's other things that got me questioning what this guy is saying. So let's play a little of the guy. OK. Sorry. Starts out with a girl. That is a big fat lie. Pandas do not exist. They don't exist in people's homes. They don't exist in the wild, but they do exist in the zoo. The first panda to be discovered was in the 1920s, and the first panda to be brought over to the US was in the 1930s by this woman. And you know how I feel about what. So you're telling me in over 4000 years of Chinese history, they've never seen pandas until the 1920s. Bro, even in a Chinese zodiac, they have a dragon. Dragons are real, but pandas aren't. They've been lying to you about animals. These are this is called a fake animal. They have fake animals in zoos just to gain popularity, gain money, gain traction. But this look at this picture. That's a stuffed animal. But they make you think is real. The majority of pandas you see in zoos are just fake. They're animatronics. They're puppets. They're people in fursuits. Yeah. This is what I mean. I think he's going to everything they can to make you believe pandas are real and they get so much funding for it. But you will never find amateur footage of them in the wild. You will never. You'll never. You'll get Animal Planet. You'll get nature photos, videos of people who run it, run the show or whatever. And they'll they'll make fake videos of it. You you'll never see amateur videos of it. You will never discover a panda in the wild. You're telling me this animal only eats one thing, one thing it can only eat and it only makes one time a year. Bro, this is the fakest animal you'll ever discover. Even faker than dinosaurs. Like they will use people in fursuits, monkeys in fursuits, they just paint dogs. It's not real. If you know anything about the Illuminati or their symbolism, what pandas eye panda eyes mean, like you start to understand everything they do is fake and just to make money and just to make you believe in their lies. They love it when you believe in their lie. I would say whether or not this is legit. I kind of love that guy. Yeah, I thought I thought he did a really good job of the way he was presenting. I'm like, this guy is kind of cool. So at first I was like, this is the this is seriously so ludicrous. Like really? Like this is real. Like, come on. Like, I mean, there's got it. Like I started looking into this. Hang on. Yeah. But then before while you're talking, Lindsay, can you find some footage of pandas and zoos and like bring it up and play it? I have a whole bunch of stuff, funny video pandas. You can kind of show all this stuff as we're talking about it, Lindsay. There's like a whole bunch of animatronics. And what that guy said was a little farfetched, just because that's a little far. I honestly, I would not put it past the Chinese. Well, I wouldn't. But again, even zoologists are completely at a loss for where pandas came from. So there are very strange facts. And even like experts, they're just now like literally in 2019, just starting to kind of figure out pandas. So they don't. This is what's weird. They only this doesn't look like a dog, dude. Look at the way I mean, these I don't think that these are animatronics or fake people. I'll kind of get to my understanding of what I think potentially these are. But they only eat bamboo. They don't eat meat. This is the other weird thing. They have six fingers, not five. So they have five regular fingers and they have an extra thumb. So they actually have six fingers on their on their paws or whatever, which is highly unusual. Are they just little midgets and suits? I mean, look at the way this thing jumps. Oh, fair, fair question. Look, you say that? Yeah. So like, this is the other thing is that like, look at this guy. He's like trying to like coordinate this thing and he doesn't make it such a bad timing. And then this guy, yeah, he won't let go of it. But so they were first discovered by a hunter in 1860s and he hunted one and gave it to a French missionary and Jesuit priest named Armand David in China. And this happened in 1860. So this Armand guy, he created the name basically meaning black and white bear. And it's like Yersis mellicolonius or something like that. And it means black and white bear. Well, a few years later, another scientist looked into this and he started examining exskeletons of the red panda and he found it. It more resembled a red panda than a bear. That's why it's kind of called panda. Now, this is what's really confusing because there's like Chinese names for the word. The Chinese word for panda is also kind of confusing, but I'll come back to that. So this is that Armand David guy. And so this is in the 1860s. I guess he was a Jesuit priest. So that kind of brings up, I don't know, you know, potential red flags right there. But okay. So a year later, another scientist looked into this, the red panda comes up. Many experts still believe that it was closer to a bear, but their characteristics were similar to the red pandas, not to a bear. And then after careful studies conducted, when science was more advanced, they found that pandas were only distant cousins of the red pandas. Now the red pandas are actually closer to raccoons than they are regular pandas, the giant panda, which we think of like the black and that's why we call them trash pandas. Raccoons are officially called trash pandas. Yeah, essentially they kind of are, but even though they're not, they don't have any resemblance with the great panda, the giant panda. I mean, the black one, I mean, they kind of, if they get fat, they're like, you could see that it's a distant cousin or something, you know, not from a raccoon, maybe like the red pandas, but not. Well, they're closer to the red. No, no. Well, let me get going here of the animals that are out there. Yeah. I would say raccoons and red pandas are the closest thing. Oh, yeah. So raccoons and red pandas are actually in the same, yes, they're the same, um, like, like their cousins category there. Yeah. But the, yeah, but the giant pandas, they're really, the more they looked into it, they're like, wait a minute. These are really aren't connected at all, but the raccoon and the red panda are. So what is stranger is that the closest relative is, um, the South American speckled bear. So which looks like what exactly actually, I kind of forget Lindsay, maybe you can look that up. The South Americans, um, speckled bear. See what that looks like now, according to scientific studies, no one actually knows where pandas come from. They have no idea. They have theories, but they don't know where the giant panda comes from. This is the, uh, this is the South American kind of cuter. So the only thing that they could match really was like the teeth and that's a lot what they look at in this. But in reality, it's like, they're all very different. One study conducted brought up the theory that the pandas came from Europe and that was literally like the closest thing that they could come to. They did this by looking at bear fossils in the area that they were similar to, um, pandas, like the bones skeleton structure. But this is like, so this is from 10 million years ago I'm talking about right now. So like 10 to 20 million years ago, they find me, you know, that now they're finding these like bone skeleton structures that look kind of like a similar to a panda, but there's a giant gap of like millions of years missing where there's no pandas. So, and, and then like how they even got to China is the other question. So there's this massive hole, there's a massive gap. They're looking at different teeth then. Um, uh, but the still the pandas in today's world compared to like this bear distant relative that they're looking at, it's the pandas are bigger, which technically kind of goes against the order of evolution. They should be smaller, not bigger if they're connected. So that's the other thing that's really weird. And the most bizarre thing is how their diet is only bamboo. Their entire digestion system is the, has all the components for being a carnivore and eating meat similar to just like a normal bear. So they cannot figure out why pandas, what happens if they like force feed them meat? Do they throw up or do they, I don't know. And I don't know if they ever like have done that, but, um, but that was the other thing. They don't even know when this happened, when, when all of a sudden they just started eating bamboo and it's pretty much only bamboo. And it like, again, it wasn't really until 2012, I'm sorry, what were you going to say? I was just going to say bamboo is really delicious. Like if you ever had it and you've had it right bamboo shoot, they're incredibly delicious. It is pretty good. So really it's only been since 2012 that researchers were looking into their diet of bamboo and they found different nutritional benefits in different bamboo in different seasons. So like, I guess the panda they've learned which bamboo is like the best for which season. And to this day, um, they've only estimated about 1800 pandas that are in the wild right now. So it's not a lot, but, um, but here, why don't you read some of the, like these other strange, weird facts revolved around the pandas. These, these, it's so weird. The more I kept looking into this. Okay. Yeah. So they have bowel movements every 20 minutes and most is undigested bamboo. Female pandas are in heat once a year for only two to three days. That's it. So they have like a three day window where they want to actually have sex, I guess. Right. The pregnancy lasts for about five months. The mother is always with the cubs. Mother pandas typically have two cubs, but in the wild, she will choose the stronger one to nurture and take care of. The other cub is left to fend for itself. In captivity, pandas usually have twins. Panda cubs don't start eating bamboo on their own until they are a year old. Newborn cubs are only 3.5 ounces tiny and they're pink and blind. Yeah. So, um, the word for, for the Chinese word for panda is, um, xiao, um, xiang mao, which actually means, um, bear cat. And da xiang mao, it means like great bear cat. So these in Chinese are called dao xiang mao, which is like great bear cat. But that term, the terminology really only came about again in the 1800s. So I was blown away by this fact. I'm like, okay, there has to be, I'm like, this is China. Like there, I mean, like pandas, like there's so much association with China and pandas right now. Right. So I, I was like, there's gotta be ancient art showing pandas, nothing. I looked at everything. I looked, I scoured like, Oh, I looked in Chinese websites for ancient artwork showing pandas. There's nothing in texts. There's nothing in like, um, there's no paintings. There's nothing. No history of pandas prior to 1860. There's like literally no history of it there. There's these, um, kind of brown pandas that are talked about that have a different name. I think they're called, um, Xing pandas or something like that are Qingling pandas, which are kind of similar, but specifically black and white pandas. They just seemed totally absent in all, in all Chinese culture. It's so weird. I, I, this, this fact like totally blew my mind. Like I still couldn't even wrap my head around it. And I was, I was looking into, um, more like, you know, I guess you could say like traditional science sites, like national geographic and everything else. And it's like, wow. And that kid is right. Very rarely can I, I was like looking online too. We can even look, you know, we'll have a break here for a trailer. And then I was looking online at various different videos that were like, are there any wild panda videos? And then he's right. They're all produced by like national geographic and things like that. But, um, you know, there are various small area, I guess if there's only 1800 of them, you're not going to come across them that much. The one theory is that maybe there just wasn't a lot of them all throughout history. And so they kind of stayed under the radar or they were like, you know, forest or something, but that doesn't make sense either. There's no way. Like think about how prevalent like the koala bear or the kangaroo is in Australia. Someone in ancient China would have found them and would have made a huge scene about it. It's so weird. It's so freaking weird. So Lindsey, why don't we show a trailer? We'll come back and we'll have more about the ancient art of, uh, of the Chinese or ancient art. What if I told you that octopuses are so smart, they may even have extra sensory abilities. That's right. I'm talking about a psychic octopus. That sounds like a terrible B horror movie. What's happening? It's a huge split. It's got the glider. In 2010, during the FIFA World Cup in South Africa, an octopus in Germany correctly predicted the outcomes for all seven of the German team's soccer matches. But he also picked Spain to win the final against the Netherlands. The octopus who was named Paul. Who names an octopus Paul? This octopus Paul indicated his favored teams by choosing between food and glass cases containing flags of two opposing teams. You've heard about Cthulhu and the Kraken. You've wondered about superpowers in the occult. You've seen movies and TV shows reveal truths that even they may not have realized. Is a cephalopod takeover on the horizon? Are eels interdimensional? Have reckless oil companies unleashed an evil on the world that they don't want you to know about? Join Edge of Wonder for a deep dive into the cryptids of the abyss. Hey guys, you can find that series over on our rise.tv platform, along with all the other amazing series that Rob and I have produced. So go over and check it out if you haven't yet. Okay. Um, Rob, why don't you read a little bit of this? I don't think we need to read the second paragraph here, but so I found this website. This is on history stack exchange and people ask questions and a lot, you know, like different people are answering these things. And there was some interesting people that responded to this stuff, including some scientists, but read a little bit of this. So this is on theories on why we don't see pandas in ancient Chinese art, which again, totally baffled my mind. Now there's, there's stuff out there that looks like traditional Chinese art, but then when I looked at the date, they were all after 1950, every single one. So read a little bit about this. Yeah. So here it says the giant panda is not an animal of prominent ancient symbolic importance in China. It is not found on ancient metallurgy or pottery, nor does it have a conspicuous presence in tongue poetry or song paintings. Yuan plays Ming novellas or Qing porcelain while the Phoenix, the tiger, the crane, and even the cicada, cicada, cicada are, and cricket hold prominent places in Chinese culture or Chinese cultural history. The giant panda, unlike these animals, does not conjure up metaphorical meanings. What do you mean? So anything? Yeah. I mean, that's what it still doesn't, you know, it still doesn't make sense because even if they're like, well, okay, these, these, these animals aren't very strong, so we're not going to use them. But then like, why would you have like a cricket and the other, the other aspect is like, you know, the other thing I read, this is in modern times, giant pandas have become an informal symbol of China, almost as popular as, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But okay, that actually, I was going to read this, but there's something different than I was reading. Okay. But essentially what I was, well, also the other aspect I was reading was that people in China, ancient Chinese didn't document things like we do as much in the West. Like they didn't document nature as, as, as much, you know, they, they wouldn't go around and categorize, categorizing different species of animals into books and categorize these things. And we do know about like, you know, different, various different animals in China, such as like foxes, because they're ingrained in Chinese culture and snakes and things like that. But so that was the other theory is that maybe, you know, it was such an isolated area of China that it's possible that, you know, they just never got around writing or seeing them even. But you would think that if you, if, if someone, if some Chinese, ancient Chinese person came across one of these things, they would want to take it back to the emperor to be like, look what we found. Like, isn't this amazing? It would have been the biggest thing. There's no way that it's so unique. There's nothing like it. They've seen bears. They've seen all of these things. No one's seen a Panda. They're going to make a big deal out of that. It's going to become a part of their folk culture for sure. For sure. Especially since they don't, they don't eat meat. They don't like, I guess they don't really attack humans. Yeah. They would have, they would have totally like made comparisons with Buddhists and all of this stuff. It's so, it's so weird. It really is. And the other aspect is this goes, Pandas go completely against Darwin's theory of evolution survival of the fittest. Because one, they're not very intelligent, as we can see, two, they only eat bamboo. They're extremely lazy. They mostly just sleep all the time. And they hardly, they have like, like with sex and procreation and, dude, these things are from another dimension entirely. Yeah. It's like, they don't do anything. They don't belong here. So that's been the, so scientists are literally asking this question, like, where did pandas come from? Because they don't have an answer. They have theories on, you know, what they kind of look like and, and they do think, they do believe that they're in the bear family because they do resemble other bears, but they're completely, they act completely different than any other bear, except for maybe a koala, you know, and koalas are actually very distinctive too, but you, that's like, you can find a lot of koalas aren't really a bit, we don't know what the heck is a koala. They're not really a bear. I mean, they're, they're have like bear characteristics cause they're fuzzy, but a panda literally looks like a bear. I mean, it's like the same look in the size as a bear yet. It doesn't act like anything like a bear. So yeah, it's just, it's totally, totally baffling. And even there's even different organizations, like news organizations in, I think there are Chinese, but like they, they posted a video supposedly of a bear. Actually Lindsay, you can show this video. Chinese tourists see a panda in the wild. So this video, supposedly it is a panda in the wild, but the difference is that there's a lot of people around this all filming it and watching this thing. So yeah, did somebody put it there and then, yeah, that's the question, you know, did somebody put it there? And this is from CB, I think it's not CBS, but it's like, or SBC, it's, it's a Chinese company. Anyway. And they literally wrote, this is from the Chinese news site. They said, have you ever seen a panda on the Y in the wild mean me neither until I watched this video, Chinese tourists and, um, shine on, um, Shaanxi province come across this where rare China or rare, sorry, rare panda in China. See like there's all these tourists there, right? And this guy's like talking about it. So like you said, Rob, I mean, this looks staged. It's so likely this could have been staged. Chinese do stuff like this every day. Okay. CBC is a Canadian broadcasting. Yeah. But the Chinese still could have said, I mean, why were they there? Why did they know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, that's, I thought that maybe somebody filmed this and gave it to him, which is a possibility, but it doesn't quite look like that. So it's, it's seriously is so weird. And I have to admit when I watched that video that, so I, okay, now kind of after doing all this, I'm not saying, I don't believe that these are like fake or they're like people in costumes or some animatronics, because you can definitely find references to, you know, 50 years ago, you can find photos of the, of these things, you know, in zoos and all kinds of stuff. So I don't think that, but I think it, it could have been highly possible that they were specifically bred or maybe like at a hybrid, you know, take, taking certain bears in potentially, you know, trying to create some kind of hybrid species, which might be why they've developed this taste for bamboo and not meats. Because maybe they took it. But that's fairly advanced for the 1860s to, to create a, you know what I mean? But not at the same time, I started thinking about fruit and, you know, they've been doing this with dogs for a long time, right? Like dogs, a lot of breeds of dogs are just from, you know, I mean, and I'm not saying like hybridization using like, you know, some scientific lab. I'm just saying that, Oh no, you're talking about different species made in to create that. The issue is that most of the time, like the species would have to be close enough in genetic code to be able to reproduce again once, once this new species was made. Right. So like, for instance, you know, when, when a, what is it like a horse and a donkey mate and a mule is, is created like the mule can't give birth. Right. So it's like the mule, that's it. The mule is the last, like if a lion and a tiger mate and you create a liger or a T T guan or whatever they're called, they can't mate after they're close in species. They're like, the lion is not even that far away from the tiger and vice versa, but then you've got, you can't, they can't have babies. So how is it that the panda is making, having children and there's not more mutation than what you're seeing? You know what I mean? Yeah. Or, uh, and actually I think somebody actually just brought this up in the chat and this was the other thing I was thinking about. I started looking in Marco Polo and I was looking in his travels to see if he encountered anything like a panda. Right. And unfortunately I couldn't really find anything. And I think it might be kind of hard because obviously the word panda doesn't exist then and it kind of depends on what you'd call it a black and white bear. Yeah. That's what I was, that's what I was trying to look for and I couldn't really find anything, but you know, maybe these did come from someplace else or maybe even on like another land that were brought over to China. Now I'm talking about, you know, maybe a long time ago and they just stayed in that area. Again though, it doesn't answer the question of how 5,000 years the Chinese just missed pandas, or did they like come through a portal or like a, you know, is this part of like a Vandella effect? The Chinese were good at the outdoors, man. They were good at the outdoors. They're not missing a panda. They're black and white in a green forest. Yeah. Their camouflage isn't even intelligent. I mean, granted, that's more at night, right? Because at night the black and white really work really well, but during the day, I mean, they would stand out so perfectly clear that you'd think something's going on. And how did they not get eaten by predators? That's been the other question. It's like how did they? They would have to have been really protected, you know? How did they, how did they survive this long? Although, you know, I have seen really interesting things like, are you familiar with capybaras? Capybaras are the largest rodent in the world and they have a really strange energy about them. They ride on alligators all the time. The alligators never screw around with them. Their hair is like, oh yeah, these things. Yeah. Have you ever felt one of these things? Their hair is like, their hair is like straw. Yeah. Really rough, right? Really super rough. But they're like really chill and you can, you can eat, they'll eat right out of your hand and stuff. Yeah. They're really cool. But they have like a weird energy about them and like all the animals like love them. No one really preys on them. So maybe it's like the, the pandas just have a weird energy where like the reptiles don't want to gobble them up or something, you know? Or maybe they don't taste good because they only eat bamboo. No, that can't be. They must taste delicious. They're chilling all the time. Yeah. It's so bizarre. Hey guys. Yeah. On the panda Wikipedia page, there are some early references, but do you guys think these are actually pandas or is it a translation issue? So I was looking at this, yeah, I was looking at this too. They're not really talking about the black and white pandas that we know of. Because I think that a lot of this stuff is getting lost in translation or they're looking at different kinds of bears. But these aren't the, these aren't the, and then the other aspect is the word panda is a French word that, I mean, it came from France because it's from this French guy, the French missionary guy. And he, he created the word panda, but it doesn't really have any direct meaning behind it. So they weren't talking about the black and white pandas, but there, but this is where it gets confusing because there's all these different names and even their name has changed from what true, like the scientific name of the panda. And so that's why it's a little bit challenging, the most thing, but they're so distinctive that it's like black and white bear, like, let's just find this and you can't really find it. And then there's all this confusion because then there's the red panda, which isn't even in the same category as a panda, as like the giant red panda. So that's why there's, there's these names, but Wikipedia page up again, again, there's something strange about this because why is the Empress Dongwha or bow buried with a panda skull and there's no paintings of pandas from that era. And then you've got the grandson of Emperor Taijong of Tang, Tang dynasty is said to have given Japan to pandas and a sheet of panda skin as a sign of goodwill. But again, these are no paintings, but again, but again, these aren't the black and white pandas. They're using, this is what's really confusing because they're saying panda and you're immediately thinking the, um, the, uh, you know, black and white ones, but it sounds like they're more talking about the red pandas here and not, not the black and white ones. So there's also brown pandas. So that's why it's really super confusing. Um, did they make red pandas with a black bear and it made pandas? That's why I'm, I'm, I'm like trying to figure that out. Like did they, did this happen this way? Are they from like even another country and brought over here from another dimension? These things are not aliens. Did aliens bring them here and drop them off? Maybe there's a whole planet full of giant pandas that are just so cute and fluffy sixties, right? 18 sixties. Yeah. So, I mean, they were definitely doing a lot of a cult crap in the world around the 18 fifties. That's when a lot of it started to ramp up. I don't know. I still think there's a planet of giant pandas. This is weird. And like I said, even the scientists themselves, zoologists and everything there, I was watching a, a, an official national geographic video and this guy's like, pandas are weird. Like we still can't figure them out, but what are we going to say? Even in Tibet, they have stories of the frigging Yeti everywhere. There's Yeti on their temples and stuff in Tibet and you're telling me there's no artwork anywhere of pandas. This is the weirdest thing, dude. They literally, they recognize the Yeti in the greater China area and they have not recognized the panda anywhere. There's a problem here. Super weird. It really is very weird. I could not believe this when I was like, wait, you're telling me there's no references of pandas prior to 1860. I highly doubt that. And then there, lo and behold, there actually is, it's got Aleister Crowley's behind this one. He wasn't born yet. It had to have been Helena Blavatsky, that son of a gun. Yeah. Someone mentioned a polar bear. See, that's what I started thinking too. Maybe a black bear and a polar bear and panda bears, dude, polar bears could not be different than like more different than a panda. I know. It's true. Yeah. And polar bears are really vicious too. And so are black bears in some aspects, you know, they can, especially if they're, if they have a cub with them, they can be very, very protective and very vicious. So I don't know. All right. We're going to show one more trailer and we get back, we'll talk about kind of switch gears here and talk a little bit more about China. Sounds good. 150 years in the making, the ultimate evil specter, lies, hatred, and struggle, traditions destroyed the deep state's cult communism. Okay, well, I was almost wondering if we should save this for Friday because I feel like it's so serious. I feel like we went from this like crazy insane stuff to this more serious topics, but maybe we will cover a little bit more on Friday and just kind of lightly touch on these. But you know, considering this is all China, there's some major, major things happening in China that the mainstream media is not talking about. There have been. Yes. For a while now. Yeah. And some of the main stuff like recently, a lot of China's ministers and politicians are just straight up missing. There was a few of them. There is China. So this is from the epic times and it says China recently purged another justice. Okay. So there's a massive corruption thing going on in China. This is kind of has been kind of going on with Xi Jinping, the current leader of China. But I guess that there's like another wave of it. But the other aspect is, is that it seems like a lot of Chinese officials are dying. So did you want to, you want to read part of this, Rob? Yeah, sure. I've been talking a lot. Yeah. It says China recently purged another justice minister, the third in a row. Analysts said that the prisons under the jurisdiction of the minister of justice are among the worst human rights abuses in China and that the downfall of these high ranking officials is retribution, illustrating the perils of serving the administration of the Chinese Communist Party, which you and I have been saying for a while. Right. Yeah. And so we, I mean, we always talk about China's economy and what's going on and everything else. But the, from all the analysts out there, it really seems like China's economy is, it's like fall. It's already, it's like fell off a cliff and it's just waiting to crack at the bottom. Has been since. Yeah. I mean, 2016 really, you know. Really. Yeah. But, but this last bit of COVID has really, really bad things. So there, there was, um, I was reading that there was certain Chinese officials that were supposed to meet with foreign officials that were coming over and then all of a sudden like that official couldn't make it. And then there was another one that replaced it, placed him and that official didn't make it either. So they're speculating that officials are dying in China, either from like, you know, the virus, whatever, whatever's happening, whether it's through COVID or this new air variant X or whatever they're calling it now or whatever. Um, but realistically, I don't think that this has been slowing down in China. And you know, like we talked about this a lot where we were saying that China was inflating or I'm sorry, overseas, they were inflating the deaths because the hospitals were getting so much money per death. And this was a hundred percent true. Uh, it was like each COVID death hospitals were getting like $30,000. And so a lot of people were dying, not of COVID, but of other things. But on the death certificate, it said COVID. China's the exact opposite, anybody dying of COVID, they would put a different cause on their death certificate to keep, to prove the numbers are going down. And there haven't been actually, but you got to remember too, that China, um, with all of this, they're, um, uh, you know, all this, they've been suppressing their own people for so long. And so many people had limited healthcare through all of this. They were locked in their homes. China had their own vaccine that wasn't even part of Moderna and, and, um, what's the other one? I forget. Pfizer. Yeah. Johnson and Johnson. Yeah. So they have their own vaccines that they're giving out. And so all of these problems were, were stemming from this. So, um, so again, like, yeah, epic, I think it was epic times. Oh no, this is time. Time magazine actually put this out. Disappearances of ministers underscores China's unpredictability as Xi Jinping tightens grip. So this is all like what I was just talking about. This is exactly about these Chinese ministers that are just not showing up all of a sudden. So nobody knows if like what's happening, I mean, they, they don't really come to the conclusion that they're dying per se, but they think that maybe something else deep deeper is going on. But from what we're hearing from like inside sources in China and everything, especially talking to the epic times is that a lot of people are dying in China or have, and even have died. Yeah. Like it, you know, over here there was this idea of a pandemic and a lot of people, you know, wearing masks, faxing up and all of this stuff. And the cases just kind of died down and went away quite fast, even in like when the breakout started. Right. But in China that didn't happen like that. Like it, it, it kept going and, and they're hiding everything right now. They're hiding everything. And there's reports. I mean, some reports of people inside China are talking about like hundreds of millions of people having passed away from this and no, like, how is no one talking about it? I mean, even, even crazier is, you know, you'd think that if there was that much, that many people dying, you know, our intelligence agencies know about this, that there would be more of a, like a stir in society about it. And there isn't, you know, well, yeah. And so a New York times published this article, and I think this is from last year, but it says official data hinted at China's hidden COVID toll, then it vanished. And this is what it says in this article, official data from China offered a rare, but brief glimpse of the true toll of COVID indicating that nearly as many people may have died from the virus in a single province earlier this year, as Beijing has said, died in the mainland during the entire pandemic. So China has 22 provinces. The official death toll from the CCP is, is roughly like somewhere between one to 3 million people, depending on what news agency is reporting. It's anywhere from 900,000 to about 2.5 million. That's the official, official death toll somewhere in there. Now, if China, if they're saying that from, from, from just from that one year, not from the whole pandemic. So right there, if there's 22 provinces, roughly, I mean, that's already covering between 40 to a hundred million people that are dead. If you look at it from those statistics, at least, at least, yeah. So, you know, obviously it looks like some official published that data and then quickly, they probably died of their life because they're like, yeah, you weren't supposed to publish that one. So it, I found it very fascinating that even the New York times reported on this aspect of it. So, and then, you know, even so the epic times a while ago, this was kind of early on in the pandemic. I saw the article talking about how 21 million phone phone services just got cut off within three, like people just didn't pay it. So that's why they were terminated. Snopes tried to debunk this, but even they couldn't make it false. All they could say is on unclaimed or on unproven is what they said, meaning that there was no way unproven. Give me a break. Well, usually they'll come back and say false, but the thing is they didn't. So like Snopes angle wouldn't approach it from like a non-biased perspective. Let's try to see if there's any truth to this one way or the other. They always come at it from, okay, we got to prove this wrong. But the thing is they couldn't prove it wrong. So they can't say true. So all I could say is unproven, which means that it's most likely true that those people probably all died. And that was early on. And if that's the case, then it is quite possible that we're seeing, we're going to see numbers within over a hundred million people in China dying. And if that's the case, then it's going to start affecting every single aspect of China from all the way from production to the housing market to, um, to just like everything from, just all day to day stuff to, um, but mostly overseas production quality is probably going to drop significantly. And, um, I think that's the thing that kind of people in the know who are like business people, that's the thing that they're worried about. You know, I mean, corporations do their own research. They do their own, they hire their, I have lots of money. They hire their own people as consultants to find out what's really going on in these areas. And have you noticed that these corporations have been making factories in the United States again, or in other parts of the world, like India, you've noticed that, right? Like Apple and some of these others. I mean, they know, they know what's happening. They're waiting for someone to talk about it. Look at this COVID toll in China, 400 million CCP covering up. Yeah. So this is, they actually cite the Chinese epic times here. So this is the South Asia's leading news agency. I don't really even know what the Chinese epic times has their gloves off. They just talk straight about this stuff. Yeah. So they're, they're, they, they, so that's why I couldn't really pull up the Chinese article because it's all in Chinese, but, um, but the Chinese epic times has reported that there's been over 400 million people that have died in China. And I know that sounds really insane numbers, but again, like this isn't, we just don't know what the CCP is doing. And I don't believe that's just straight from COVID, you know, that's probably a lot of factors involved. You got to remember in the early days, China had a zero COVID policy. So if somebody had COVID, they would rather kill them because it's like, well, we don't want you to affect others. We would rather you just die. You know? So everyone like animals in China. Yeah. So there was a lot of that happening and we know that was happening in hospitals because people were saying they're like, you know, loved one just went in, they had COVID, they weren't like on the deathbed and then all of a sudden they're dead. So this was happening a lot. The cremations in China were all completely booked. And as far as we know, it's still happening. So you know, and then they were locking people in their homes. People didn't have access to food because they were locked in their homes. They had only what was available to them. A lot of power was shut down because they just didn't want these people to live. And so a lot of the more areas in China that were more of the slums, there's so many deaths that happened through there that weren't reported because the CCP, they don't even care about those areas. So it would be like, you know, Seattle right now, I guess I was going to say Skid Row, but pretty much Seattle is Skid Row. You can say, you know, San Francisco, yeah, San Francisco, Northern Oregon, Portland. Yeah, anyway, we're making jokes of this stuff, but it's very, it is serious though, you know, and so this could really, really affect things. And like you said, Rob, I agree too. I think the governments around the world know what's going on. I know. They're just covering this up. They're too busy. They're distracted with Israel, with Iran, with all of these things, funding both sides at the same time. I mean, it's crazy stuff going on. But then, you know, the other part of this is, and I know there are people that have been talking about this and that are very concerned with this, but if the Chinese economy falls, it could potentially cascade and bring down the American economy first, and then it would trickle down into Europe as well. We're talking about the world's economy basically crashing. And by economy crashing, I mean, like think about, all right, think about all of the older folks who have retirement plans and their money in those retirement plans are coming through cashing in on their stock options basically that they have. They're cashing in on those and that's how they're getting paid every month. If we have a full-on stock market crash due to everything going on with the Chinese economy and then our own because we've been printing money for how many years now? I mean, it's gone so crazy over the last four years. What happens to all of our old folks with these retirement plans? This is, I'm serious. Like, this is like, I'm like thinking about this and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, I was talking to my parents the other day and I was like asking them questions about, you know, what does their retirement plan look like and stuff? And I'm preparing for, I need to make room for them in my own home if something goes down somehow, you know? I don't know. It's a good point. It's hard to say. You know, it's hard to say what will happen with all of this, but we'll see. We will see. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is not, the stuff that we're saying is not to make anyone afraid at home. There's a lot of people out there that are like, buy gold now and it's like all this, like we're talking about an economy. It's not going to be that. It's not going to be insane. It's not going to be like you're locked in your house or you're dead, you know, after a couple of weeks or something like that, things will bounce back. That's how the American economy works. I mean, things are still worth things. It's just that it's going to be quite uncomfortable for probably several weeks straight, you know? Well, and this is why we need the factories to return back to the United States. We need to depend on the United States because like, yeah, if we depend on China for everything and then China collapses, then it's going to affect us. But if we, if we're the ones producing everything, we don't depend on China, then it's not, I mean, it's not going to affect your everyday people as much. It's going to affect mostly very big players that have major, major equity and investments in China. You know, whether that's through economy, through the stock market, or just through straight up businesses that they own over there and their production, you know, those are the people this is going to affect more than anybody else. I mean, granted, it will affect the economy as a whole, like the stock exchange and things like that. But for your everyday person just kind of living, you know, things might actually become better in some aspects. Over time. The economy starts relying on American blood, sweat, and tears like it did for, you know, a couple hundred years. And American innovation, lots of good things can happen. You know, bring back gasoline, actually get rid of this EV crap that they have like this dream about. Anyway, not that I dislike Teslas. I like that they're innovating. But I mean, terraforming the entire, you know, like industry, car industry into all EVs is like, just they're so like, it's not going to happen. It's not even close to that fast. Yeah. And again, you know, I think the main thing is, is like just kind of being prepared for things but not being fearful of what's going to happen. If there's anything we learned from 2020 and 2021 is like, don't go to extremes. True. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was and I mean, I feel like whatever happens, we've already signed up for it anyway, because we're here. And it's like, we already knew prior to coming to this life that all this was going to happen. It's just we just, you know, obviously, we don't know all the answers right now. But I think what we should be thinking about is like, what kind of people are we going to be? If things go down? How can we set ourselves up to help other people? 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