"toxic" femininity: what's up with girlbloggers, female manipulators, and femcels?

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Hello, my beautiful doves.
My name is Mina.
Welcome or welcome back.
And today we have a lot to discuss.
I'm mainly gonna be talking about teenage girlhood,
internet, aesthetic trends,
and what I call toxic femininity.
And if you're a little lost, don't worry,
it's all gonna make sense by the end of this video.
But I do wanna start off by talking about this one article
that went a little viral.
It was published on ID Magazine.
It came out in June,
and the article is written by Roisin Langan.
I'm gonna read this very spicy excerpt.
Hey, do you like listening to Lana Del Rey?
What about Fiona Apple, Mitski, Hole,
Melanie Martinez, Marina?
Can you recite the cool girl speech
from Gone Girl verbatim?
Do you love that one Jacques-Louis David piece,
Portrait of a Woman in White?
Not because you care about art,
but because you like the broken female protagonist
of a Tessa Moskvig's literature.
Do you have a favorite Lisbon sister?
And is it Lux?
Are you still mourning the loss of Tumblr?
Do you like to read Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita?
Do you enjoy Catholic iconography?
Press to describe yourself or to have others describe you.
Would you be comfortable with adjectives
like toxic or manipulative?
If the answer to any of these questions is yes,
then congratulations.
You might be a femcel.
So this article got a lot of heat
on TikTok and Twitter mostly for a lot of reasons.
Me personally, when I read this article,
the first thing that came up into my head was,
is this not just Tumblr sad girl 2014 culture repackaged?
I mean, Gone Girl came out in like 2012
and I still remember people making GIFs and graphics
using that monologue that she says.
Cool girl is hot, cool girl is gay, cool girl is fun,
cool girl never gets angry at her man.
Lana Del Rey and Marina and the Diamonds
were like the poster girls of the Tumblr sad girl era.
And we didn't have my year of rest and relaxation,
but the vibes were the same.
So none of this was like seriously shocking to me
to read about.
Other people read this and were understandably upset
by the categorization of femcel
and the implication that listening to Fiona Apple
would bring you anywhere close to that identifier.
And for anyone who doesn't know,
the term femcel is short for female involuntary celibate,
AKA women who cannot get laid, not by choice.
And then there are just people who are upset
about being categorized at all
for having particular interests.
Like just because you read this one book and you like it,
or just because you like this one female artist,
why do you have to be put and shoved
into this aesthetic category?
This TikToker posted a video complaining about it
with the caption,
I'll never forgive you all
for what you've done to Fiona Apple.
She's not a femcel, that is literally not a thing.
And she's not a part of the stupid niche,
girl interrupted, red scare,
coquette Lana Del Rey diet coke Kate Moss ----.
Leave her alone.
Stop grouping female artists into a box
they never agreed to be in.
She would hate those people and I know it.
So I understand these criticisms and complaints,
but as someone who's like perpetually online
and I mean that in the most derogatory way possible,
I understand what Lanigan was getting on about
because yes, there is this growing sub-community
on the internet, mostly on TikTok and Tumblr and Twitter
who are using femcel as this aesthetic designator
who've become somewhat obsessed
with categorizing themselves
based on specific niche interests.
It reminds me of this Substack essay
that my friend Rain Fisher Kwan wrote a few months ago.
She writes,
it's become very common for women online
to express their identities
through an artfully curated list
of the things they consume or aspire to consume.
And because young women are conditioned to believe
that their identities are defined
almost entirely by their neuroses,
these roundups of cultural trends and authors du jour
often implicitly serve to chicly signal
one's mental illnesses to the public.
One girl on your TikTok feed
might be a self-described Joan Didion,
Eve Babbitt's marble red,
straight cut Levi's fleabag girl.
This means she has depression.
Another will call herself a baby doll dress,
Sylvia Plath, Red Scare, Miu Miu, Lana Del Rey girl.
Eating disorder.
Or a green juice, claw clip,
Emma Chamberlain yoga mat podcast girl.
Different eating disorder.
The aesthetics of consumption have in turn
become a conduit to make the self more easily consumable.
Your existence as a type of girl
has almost nothing to do with
whether you actually read Joan Didion or wear a Miu Miu
and everything to do with whether you want to be seen
as the type of person who would.
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So the term that Lanigan uses
to describe this niche set of interests
or describe this new aesthetic is femcel core.
But before we can talk about what femcel core is,
we gotta start with the roots,
which are unfortunately, femcels.
The word incel, by the way, stands for involuntary celibate,
aka someone who cannot get laid, not by choice.
So in 1997, a Canadian woman who goes by Alana
and nothing else, she has kept her identity mostly anonymous,
she had started dating
and was having trouble with relationships.
So she started this website
called Alana's Involuntary Celibate Project
for anyone else who was also struggling
with the romance department.
It was a simple website where she posted articles,
ran a mailing list, and then evolved into a forum
where people would talk about being lonely.
Alana says, there was probably a bit of anger
and some men were a bit clueless
about how women are unique individual humans,
but in general, it was a supportive place.
The word incel used to mean anybody of any gender
who was lonely, had never had sex,
or who hadn't had a relationship in a long time.
Fast forward to 2014, a 22-year-old man named Elliot Rodger
went on a shooting and stabbing spree
in Isla Vista, California,
killing six people and injuring 14 before offing himself.
It was revealed that before his death,
he had distributed a 141-page document
about his hatred towards women
that was caused by his intense frustration
of being a virgin.
And then in 2018, 25-year-old Alec Manassian
drove his van into a crowded sidewalk in Toronto,
killing 10 people and injuring 16.
After the attack, he told investigators
that he was an incel and that his actions
were a revenge plot over him not being able to get laid.
The incel community has thus developed
in the worst way possible,
from being a fringe internet group
to a recognized terrorist threat.
So when we compare them to femcels,
the only real shared thing is their belief
that they cannot have sex
or cannot get into romantic relationships
because of their looks or personality.
And even though a lot of people feel this type of way,
at least during one point in their lives,
femcels believe there's something
significantly wrong with them
that makes them different from other women.
According to the now defunct Reddit thread, True Femcels,
to be a femcel, you have to have defects
that must exceed those of normal women
and exist in a much more severe form.
As Mel Magazine puts it,
femcels were dealt a shitty hand, the sentiment goes,
and the only way out of the lonely hellscapes
they live in is to ascend.
Femcels speak for get hotter.
Since the Reddit thread has been banned,
it's difficult to mine it for content
unless you know how to use internet archive tools.
But from articles that I've read,
it sounds like unlike incel forums,
femcels are nonviolent for the most part.
There might be some fringe person
who's writing something truly disturbing,
but for the most part, most of the content
was focused on the women's unhappiness with themselves.
And unfortunately, this Reddit is actually how most women
tend to feel when navigating romantic spheres.
Tracy Moore did an investigation on nice girls
and found that women, most women,
who blame their lack of sex or relationships
on their appearance, actually feel embarrassed
or sorry for inconveniencing the people
that they find attractive.
That's not to say that there are absolutely no problems
in the femcel community though.
Lorelei Alverson researched femcel forums
and found that despite several members
identifying as people of color,
the vast majority of users across femcel forums are white
and leverage this whiteness in disputes.
There are also a lot of transphobic femcels
who express anger towards trans women
who are able to get facial feminization surgery
covered by their health insurance.
And I think even people who are not outwardly transphobic,
the lingo that's used among femcels, like femcels speak,
and the assumptions that they have about women
tend to fall into this gender essentialist,
like there are only two genders mindset,
which ends up becoming a breeding ground
for transphobic trains of thought.
So what I just described to you all
is what I consider to be traditional femcels.
Traditional in the sense that in the past couple years or so
there's been a different community of women
who identify themselves as femcels,
but are so far removed from all the lore
that I just talked about.
And these femcels, which I'll call modern femcels
to be less confusing,
is what that ID article was talking about.
The article even clarifies,
the social media femcels of today
use the term less as an indicator
of how much sex they're unable to have
and more as a way to express their personality traits
that are perceived as pathetic or manipulative
or toxic in some way.
They do so unapologetically,
romanticizing these stereotypical femcel traits
in the process.
Modern femcels mostly exists on like Twitter,
TikTok, Tumblr,
and they make sad aesthetic Spotify playlists
titled female manipulator anthems
and songs for your fleabag era.
By the way, I've like referenced fleabag eras
in previous videos,
but not yet in this video.
And basically fleabag is a TV show
that centers around this pretty problematic
female protagonists.
And the term fleabag era
refers to anyone who is essentially embracing chaos
and mess to deal with trauma
rather than seeking help.
♪ Glory, glory, praise the king. ♪
Lanigan writes,
new femcels have flourished
on popular social media platforms
where it can be communicated
not through tortured posts
about being overlooked by men and self-hatred,
but rather through a post-ironic self-conscious embrace
of aesthetic feminine toxicity.
It's not femcel for these women,
it's femcel core.
For example,
one 19 year old Tumblr user named Hannah
who regularly uses the hashtag femcel,
said,
I just thought the word was funny
and maybe even a little shocking.
I knew it would get people's attention.
Most of my posts are ironic.
I've been in a relationship with my boyfriend for two years.
Similarly, a 22 year old TikToker named Alexandra Carmona
admitted her female manipulator content is ironic.
She told Insider
that it's not about promoting actual manipulation,
it's about calling ourselves out
and coping with our own issues
by making a joke out of it.
So aesthetically,
I've noticed a lot of overlap
and a lot of line blurring
between these femcels,
these modern femcels,
the coquette girls
and ballet core.
I've done a whole video on ballet core,
but for coquette,
girls who partake in it
flock to frilly slip dresses,
hair ribbons,
thigh high socks,
Mary Janes,
tight fitting tank tops,
cropped cardigans,
cheeky slogans on baby tees,
and overall pastel colors and lace trimmings.
Popular aesthetic icons
shared by all three subgroups
include Lana Del Rey,
particularly at the beginning of her career,
Nina Sayers from Black Swan,
Angelina Jolie's character in Girl Interrupted,
Jennifer from Jennifer's Body,
Gone Girl,
and of course models and actresses
that have heroine chic or waif-like body types
including Lily Rose Depp,
Young Kate Moss,
Bella Hadid,
and Mia Goth.
A lot of these girls also refer to themselves
as girl bloggers,
aka girly girls who blog about being a girl's girl,
who have usernames like Dior Waif
or Cocaine Bambi,
who post grainy gifs of blonde 90s models,
Miu Miu ballet flats,
young Natalie Portman,
Lana Del Rey lyrics,
Patrick Bateman,
and memes that hint at
or explicitly state mental illness.
There's a lot of romanticization
about being pretty and mentally unstable
but that being okay because you're still pretty.
And terminology like pilled,
maxing,
being in your whatever whatever era,
and esoteric get tossed around.
There's also a very unique turn of phrasing
that these girls use.
Biz Sherbert describes it in their article
on girl blogging.
I'm unstable in a black swan,
the virgin suicides,
nepotism baby,
cool girl monologue,
Sylvia Plath,
Brittany Murphy,
fatal attraction kind of way.
A girl blogger's frequent lines of text
rubbed together into an inner monologue
that looms over all her posts.
This diary voice psychologically charged
and often bitchy
like the writing on a bathroom stall
is what separates the girl blogger
from an impersonal mood boarder
with a similar taste for girly things.
You can't keep getting away with it.
So just to recap on what was happening
on Tumblr around 2012 to 2015,
a popular subculture on Tumblr
revolved heavily around Lana Del Rey
gifs and lyrics,
black and white photos
with sad captions overlaid on them,
and cigarette self-harm and drug motifs.
And who can forget the hashtag
pretty when you cry selfies?
This was all part of a movement
now known as like the sad girl era.
Rosemary Curtin defined a sad girl for ID
as one who listens to better music than you
and might spend her alone time
watching French films from the 60s
or angsty TV shows from the 90s.
But even before the 2010s,
the sad girl was not a new phenomenon.
Like think of Romy and Juliet,
think of Ophelia from Hamlet,
think of Jane Eyre.
And yes, there were always shared aesthetics
and films and songs that sad girls leaned onto
as rain puts it to chicly signal
one's mental illness.
But I will say it wasn't as self-aware
or self-commodifying as the girl bloggers are today.
Sad girls mostly posted stream of conscious thoughts
into the void on Tumblr
and our collective interest in Arctic Monkeys
and Marina and the Diamonds music
felt more like coincidence
than a calculated attempt
to aestheticize our own identities.
At this time,
journalists were releasing think pieces
about how the sad girl aesthetic movement
romanticized clinical depression and eating disorders,
which I definitely agree that it was.
I don't think it was intentional.
Like I don't think any movie director
or any songwriter was explicitly trying
to delegitimize mental illness with their music,
but that's just what happened.
And it definitely didn't help
that being sad was considered cool.
And so a lot of teenage girls
who probably weren't actually battling
with serious mental illnesses
kind of induced traits of those mental illnesses
within themselves as an attempt to fit in.
The sad girl movement
wasn't just pervasive on Tumblr though.
There were brands that were selling pins,
tote bags and necklaces
with phrases like sad girl club
and other slogans on them.
Hannah Mae wrote for Hello Giggles,
even more disturbing than teens using depression to be cool
Granted, I think one of the main issues these days
is how out of hand consumerism has gotten.
And consumerism is unfortunately a by-product
of making everything into different aesthetics.
I asked what people thought about this topic
on my Instagram stories a couple of days ago.
And one person said,
Similarly, another person said,
And yet another person said,
I think these are all very valid points.
I also think that they are points
that were valid back in the 2010s.
If anyone remembers like the whole hipster trend.
Just so you know, a macchiato is a shot of espresso
with a little foam on top.
It's not a giant latte slathered in whipped cream
with caramel squeezed all over it.
Hey, what band is this?
You've never heard of it.
To really qualify as a hipster,
it wasn't enough to just like the same things
as everyone else or have the same kind of ideology.
Like you had to get the square glasses,
you had to wear the infinity scarves,
you had to have some mustache motifs
somewhere on your body or else your friends
were probably like, are you really a hipster?
And God forbid, if you want to listen
to Justin Bieber every once in a while.
The difference between then and now
is obviously like social media
because rather than just having to gain approval
from your local group of friends,
the internet is so global.
And now there's so many people who belong to this community
who you are connected with
and who you are constantly seeking approval from.
Not to mention the endless content focused mood boards
that give you new consumerist ideas
of how to gain people's approval.
But the biggest problem I have with commodifying sadness,
even back in like the 2010s,
is that it made wallowing in sadness cool
and getting help uncool.
Similarly, in the femcell girl blogger subculture,
by making female hysteria and mental illness aesthetic,
it discourages young women from wanting to get help.
22-year-old TikToker Jules Johnson told Insider
that she finds the trend nihilistic and hollow.
She said, in the female manipulator space,
there's a lot of focus on getting back at men
when you could direct that energy
towards loving other women.
But anyways, I think the Tumblr girl ideology redux
was kind of inevitable considering the style itself
is getting a renewed appreciation
with the tag hashtag 2014 Tumblr
having over 215 million views on TikTok.
Femcellcore also champions the thin body type,
which is being echoed in the mainstream
with low rise pants and skirts coming back in full force
and even Kim Kardashian slimming down her booty
in the past several months.
I think some of you guys are forgetting
what Kim K used to look like.
Look at the, look at the mass.
Okay, this is about 40 pounds of ass gone.
Because of how influential the Kardashians are
and because they were kind of the ones
to popularize BBLs in the past 10 years to begin with,
a lot of people feel like them shrinking their asses
is a sign that the BBL era is over.
BBL, by the way, stands for Brazilian butt lift,
which is a very dangerous procedure
that shifts the fat in your stomach into your booty
to give you a more curvaceous figure.
Even without the Kardashians' involvement,
it might just be the natural course of body type trends
that's dictating this shift in silhouette
because as we all know, very unfortunately,
throughout the course of history,
women's silhouettes have been trends.
It's dipped from curvy to skinny to curvy to skinny
and we've just been curvy in the last 10 years
and I guess it's time to go back to skinny.
Obviously, I think BBLs and kind of escaping that phase
is a good thing because BBLs are incredibly dangerous.
Like, you can literally die on the operating table
for getting one.
But I don't think going the other end of the spectrum
is better because I grew up in the 90s and 2000s.
Like, everyone had an eating disorder
because of how skinny everyone in the media was.
Do you know what really just kills me
about this whole thing?
It's the clothes that you're gonna get.
I mean, you don't deserve them.
You eat carbs, for Christ's sake.
Even though I think it's somewhat natural
for girls to feel, like, very angsty
or to feel a certain way about their place in society,
I also think that there have been movements and trends
that have occurred in the past five years or so
that has also contributed to the rise of fem cell core.
For example, during the first two years of the pandemic,
there was a major societal trend towards self-improvement.
A lot of people felt pressure
to utilize their time in isolation productively,
either by reading as many books as possible,
listening to as many podcasts as possible,
watching as many movies as possible,
learning new skills, getting fit, dieting,
you name it.
The desire for self-improvement gave rise
to the that girl trend,
which was a major trend on TikTok and Instagram
and revolved around girls
who essentially had their lives together,
or at least looked like they had their lives together.
These girls would film themselves waking up at 5 a.m.,
going on runs, doing Pilates in the morning,
drinking green smoothies,
wearing, like, beige athleisure sets,
and meditating and journaling,
gratitude journaling regularly,
just doing everything that we feel we are supposed to do
for our mental and physical health,
all while looking absolutely amazing.
While some people were inspired by the whole that girl trend
to get their life together,
a lot of people also felt very uninspired
because they felt like the trend was inaccessible
for people who were not white, skinny,
or at least upper middle class.
Laura Pitcher wrote an article on that girl for ID last year,
noting that it was a rebranding of girl boss culture.
Similar to other fitness videos on social media,
being that girl means encompassing a life
based on mainstream notions of wellness.
However, there's bizarrely no end goal,
no marathon you train up to,
no reason to wake up at 5 a.m.,
other than that it seems more efficient.
And this is just like a general thing with our society,
like a general problem,
where a lot of our health goals
are focused on aesthetic motivations
rather than scientific ones.
For example, a lot of like dieting books
talk about how to lose weight,
but not why you should want to lose weight.
Because our dieting culture revolves around looking thin,
not being healthier for whatever your body type allows.
It actually is a healthy thing for their body to do,
but just because they feel like
it's more aesthetically productive.
So because there's a lot of pressure
to constantly be improving yourself,
it makes sense that there would inevitably be a movement
that pushes back against that kind of rhetoric.
Gia Tolentino wrote in her book, Trick Mirror,
the ideal woman has always been conceptually overworked,
an inorganic thing engineered to look natural.
Figuring out how to get better at being a woman
is a ridiculous and often amoral project.
A lot of girls have taken this desire
to not be perfect to the extreme though.
Lanigan also wrote another article earlier this year
talking about feral girl summer,
which explored the part satirical,
but part very true desire to just be imperfect.
The ultimate power of being in your fleabag era
or being a femcel or embracing a feral girl summer
is that you're allegedly self-aware.
You're aware that womanhood is oppressive
and rather than trying to lean in and hustle till you die,
you've just decided to give up, sit back and be cynical.
It's ironically kind of,
I'm not like the other girls ideology,
despite its heavy reliance on feminine aesthetics.
I don't think having like a little nihilistic era
every so often in your life is a bad thing inherently,
but I think it can be dangerous if it goes to extreme
or if it becomes so mainstream
that it takes up valuable conversation space
for actually productive feminist action.
As Haley McNiff writes,
if women are droll accepting their pain
as inborn and inevitable,
there may be an empowering sense of numbness
in fully embracing that pain
and running headlong into it yourself
and even bringing others down with you if you so choose.
It's definitely frustrating
and one of like the number one complaints I got
from my Instagram stories were women saying
that the movement is just not reasonable
for a woman of color or a girl of color to partake in.
Aurora Moore wrote a great article on this
and how disassociating to the world's problems
keeps oppressors comfortably empowered.
She writes, these white dissociating feminists
are holding up their hands and saying,
there is nothing I can do about it.
The world is just too fucked up for me to help.
I'm gonna have to lie down.
She also offers the alternative of community care and love.
Being a person is ******* hard
and it's ******* horrible sometimes,
but I'd like to give our daughters and sisters
a world they want to be a part of
where they can laugh and love as opposed to one so bitter,
they must wither themselves away
in an effort to spare themselves from it.
I don't think all modern fem cells are bitter, by the way.
I think some of them have derived some kind of sick pleasure
in being stuck in the system,
kind of like a Stockholm syndrome,
but I do agree with Moore overall.
I think a lot can be said about how nihilism can numb us
from making any progress.
And rather than just flipping the script on girl bosses
and being like, girls don't actually have to lean in
and work super hard and be the best,
it's worth just having more productive conversations
on how we can make girlhood and womanhood more bearable
and even enjoyable without being self-destructive.
But you know, what do I know?
I was a teenage girl once too.
Okay, everyone, that's all I have for today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Please let me know in the comments
what you think about toxic femininity
and all the things that I've discussed today.
I would love to hear your input.
I feel like it's one of those topics
that has become way more in vogue to discuss about
and therefore has piqued my interest
because I keep seeing new and interesting takes about it.
And I'm just very interested, I guess,
in women's studies because I am one.
Thank you for sticking around.
I hope you have a lovely rest of your day
and I'll see you next time.
Bye.
