Interview with Rotary Satellite Club of EFOH

Hello folks. This is the Bryce man, Brandon Bryce host of the Bryce's right. We got a great show today. We got a very unique, you know, we always have strange, dark and mysterious stuff on this show. But today we're talking about a case of the body snatchers. That's right. We've got my good friend, Cindy Lou, who is the chair. And let me make sure I get this right. The chair, uh, of a grassroots organization that talks about orbit organ harvesting. Uh, so apparently folks in China, you know, that country that we always talk about, uh, they are under a investigation for mass killing of their prisoners when it comes to people's organs, that's right. Folks are stealing body parts and you know what it's even happening in the United States. And so joining me today, we're fortunate to have Cindy Lou expert on this topic around what's happening with your body when with or without your approval. Uh, Cindy, welcome to the Bryce's right. I mean, this is crazy to know that if I'm incarcerated, my body can be sold across the globe. That's correct. So the first time this, uh, was known, uh, started to make to the public was through some whistleblowers, right? So, uh, you know, that China is, uh, under the communist is suppressive. The information, it doesn't flow freely. Um, so when, and back in 2005, a doctor in Israel, he was the head of the transplant association. Um, his name is Jacob, uh, Levy. So he heard about his patient. One of his patient needed a heart transplant and this patient said, uh, I couldn't wait for my transplant to be done in Israel. So I'm going to China. Um, I'm going to schedule a heart transplant in two weeks. So this Dr. Levy didn't stop there. He was like, that's not, that's not possible. How can you schedule a heart transplant? Right. So, um, he didn't stop there. He, this patient came back, uh, you know, uh, did the transplant and came back and Dr. Levy worked with his government and passed a law, uh, forbidden people to China to do this because we know that China has, uh, is, uh, has a government that is suppressive and that doesn't allow freedom of religious beliefs, uh, doesn't have a, uh, doesn't allow to have a different opinion, um, in a political opinion. So there are a lot of prisoner of prisoners of conscience, uh, who are being jailed, uh, in China into the labor camps or you'll call it concentration camps. You call it a detentions detention centers. You call it, um, these people are made into the enemy of the people. So their body can be made profit out of. So, so, so, so let me, let me understand this for all of our listeners out there. Folks, if you're listening to it in this, the Bryce is right. You know, we're, so you're saying that literally if the state being communist China, if they don't agree with you, they'll put you away, they'll put you in jail, they'll incarcerate you. And then if a rich guy from France, us, uh, UAW or UAE, if they need a heart organ kidney, then you become basically target for that your organs. So another whistleblower, very, very important. That's a, she came to the public in 2006. She was a woman, uh, her name, uh, of course, a fake name to protect her identity. Um, she, she's called herself Annie. So she came out and said that, uh, her, she was working in the Chinese facility, you know, medical facility and Northeast of China. And she said, I have to come out because I couldn't hold into myself anymore. Her ex-husband, uh, was a surgeon and he himself removed corneas from 2000 live people in your, in your eyeball eyeball. Wow. And he said they were alive. So he couldn't tell her what happened in the, throughout the years he's been doing this and he couldn't tell her, even your wife that you are doing this. Um, he knew that he was doing this, you know, definitely, you know, evil, whatever you call it. Um, he couldn't tell anybody else about what's going on until she found him, uh, traumatized and easily get into nightmares, easily get shocked, you know, easily just mentally disturbed. And finally he had to confess to her that he has been doing this for years. So, you know, Cindy, this reminds me of this film called repo man, where, you know, if you didn't pay your bill on time, they came and took your heart out. Uh, let me ask you. So what on the black market, uh, what does a heart lung, uh, femur, what does it go for in today's market? Because apparently if they, it wouldn't happen if there wasn't a market for it. So in 2006, when the news came from any, uh, many, many people started to do research, right. And even, you know, we had, uh, in Delaware, we had a rallies in Bonnie square calling for condemnation about the investigation on that, about this and this community news reporter came, uh, and he said, I'm going to, he did a great report on this. And he said, I'm going to do some research myself. So he went to the Chinese facilities websites and, um, you know, just browsing to them and saying, you know, he needs a Oregon. These are all organs are associated with price tax. And in a Q and a, it would answer you. Uh, your wait time is averaged four to six weeks. Um, and then these are not from brain debt people back when it was advertising, it was advertising message that, you know, you're getting a healthy organ and you don't have to wait for long. And the price tag associated with it, uh, as far as the price, uh, you know, heart is definitely more costly, you know, than liver others, but as in, you know, maybe a liver is like a 30,000 ish, like, you know, heart can go as like five times more than that or something, you know, but actual pricing, um, leading to, uh, a calculation that is a, this is a eight, $8.9 billion industry to, to do this. Yeah. So let me ask you this Cindy. So, okay. So the Chinese government gets the, the heart, uh, let's go back a little further. So they incarcerate the person and then how, I mean, how, I can't even fathom from the person being incarcerated to the heart being put in, I'm assuming, uh, ice and sent to whoever the donor or the sponsor is. So basically these, these encampments in China are actually killing people to get the, the organ and then who profits from the money paid by the sponsor. Where does that money go? Good question. So, uh, after the 2006 news came out and two investigators, uh, independent investigators, uh, they're from Canada. Mr. David Mattis and Mr. David Kilgore, uh, Mr. David Mattis, uh, is a human rights lawyer. Um, and Mr. Kilgore, uh, was a, uh, parliament member. So they answered a call. They said, we're going to do, this is too horrible. If this is really happening. So based on Annie's account, and she said in that one facility, they jailed, they put, um, 5,000, 6,000, uh, people ready to get their organs. Uh, operated. And based on that number is scary. And this is happening. They, you know, they said, this is a new evil coming to this planet. So there's two gentlemen wanted to do research and investigation on this. And then of course they were taught not to go to China by the Chinese embassy. They were not allowed to get a visa. Um, but however, they found other ways to do the investigation. You know, as simple as I said, you know, browsing through the website there back when the information were all there. Um, and then they also, uh, have people to call the Chinese medical centers to say, Hey, I need a Oregon, uh, how long I can schedule it. And they can, again, they can answer like two weeks, uh, four weeks or even in days. Um, so the fastest time based on these two researchers said it was four hours. Wow. Um, and then, um, so they published this report said, uh, this is definitely happening. And they, they, they did research. They actually came up, came up with 17 evidence. And later on the, uh, in 2007, uh, in January, they published a revised report provided 33 evidence on why this is happening. And they said the Chinese military and the labor camps, um, the Chinese military is the biggest enterprise in this, in this scenario. Um, and, uh, military doc, uh, doctors, military hospitals, and labor camps, they all work together, have the supply chain. And then of course they work with brokers, uh, that could broke them into, uh, getting the organs scheduled and transplanted, uh, based on the storyline is like, uh, the brokers would present some kind of China option, uh, to the potential patients. Um, they can go through this broker and to schedule this transplant and do the travel and all that. Sometimes one organ wouldn't match. They have to, uh, provide another one or multiple times to get a, a organ that really works for this person. So let me ask you this. I mean, clearly this is a violation of human rights. I mean, the fact that I can, if I need a heart and I'm rich, uh, I can get a heart in four hours versus four weeks versus four months. Uh, there's something that just doesn't smell right about that. It doesn't quite pass the smell test. Let me ask you this. I mean, what is the U S government if any done around creating any kind of sanctions around this issue? I mean, how do we know that what's happening in China is not happening here in the, in the United States? Absolutely. Good question. So the United States, uh, passed in the house, a, uh, multiple resolutions, multiple resolutions. Uh, now in a past bill in the house twice, it's called Falun Gong protection act. So a will, a will, uh, enforce some reports from the Chinese transplantation system, as well as, uh, sanction people, um, you know, won't allow a proper perpetrator to have visas to come to United States, bring any assets, United States, um, et cetera. So this is a bill that's going to have some teeth, right? So this is a bill passed in house is, is right now introduced in the Senate. It's called Falun Gong in the Senate bill is called, uh, uh, S four zero zero nine, uh, Falun Gong, um, and victims of force organ harvesting act. Wow. This is a bipartisan bill. Uh, right now it's, uh, it's very promising. It has Senator Ted Cruz, uh, from, uh, Texas and Senator Jeff Merkley from Oregon leading this, this bill. Well, I'm glad to see that the U S seems to be taking it seriously, but, but let me ask this. I mean, let's just, let's just call it what it is, right? So when you go to the DMV and you register as an Oregon donor, right. Um, I guess this has always been my issue. Who's to say that, uh, if it came down to saving your life or, you know, if somebody needs a heart in, you know, Beijing or in Russia and they have the money, uh, how do we know that hospitals are making sure that they're giving the patient 100% care or they're not tossing it into the wayside because they know that they've got another 500,000 coming in for a heart. I mean, I mean, doesn't that become real ethical? It is a huge ethical threat in our country as well. Um, because what China is practicing is not a, um, ethical, for example, it's not even ethical. It's even not close to being ethical. And, um, they, what we call is, is the utilitarian biomedicine practice, right? So make out of money, make the use of, uh, people's body or organs to make money and to, uh, to support the supremacy of the Chinese communist party that, that is their goal. So this mentality is ideology. This worldview is also getting infiltrated in our country. So, um, just a few months ago, there was an article on New York times co-op by, um, three doctors titled organs are too rare. We need to redefine death. Um, and, and also in recently, I think late last year, HHS found there were, um, many cases, um, in us that, uh, organ procurement happened before the people actually, uh, determined to be brain dead. So things like this happening in the country as well, because, you know, if we're not practicing strictly, you know, the principles of medicine, right. Um, Hippocratic oath that the medicine, the medical doctors, um, once upon, you know, they had to bow, right. For having a patient centered practice. If we kind of waved into that and then be swayed from that and becoming a more of a result based. How many patients you're saved life with, um, and do not care how, what kind of method you're using to save their lives. Um, that's very dangerous and take a big threat on this, this country as well. You know, how did you get into a city? How did you even get into this, this area? Because I, you know, people had always said that, yeah, you know, we think that they're maybe stealing organs away from poor folks, right. Uh, but you're saying that, you know, this is almost, uh, totalitarian in that, you know, in China, if you don't agree with communist China, not only are you thrown in jail, but you know, your, your wuha and your heart or your lungs or your kidneys can be halfway across the globe before next week. I mean, this is some scary stuff. It is very serious stuff. This is a, to me, when I heard about this in 2006, uh, I just felt like it was too shocking to, uh, terrific, you know, just like too terrified, um, and to hear about this is happening, but I never have any thought about this is happening because growing up in the communist China there with no check and balance, no way of ensure transparency in any way. Um, I just wouldn't think that anything can say that's not happening. Um, so I believed cause I, I've been, uh, following the news about the torture that's happened to people practicing Falun Gong. It's a meditative practice. People meditate, um, and follow the principles of truth, compassion, tolerance to elevate their morals, um, and then elevate their, um, spirituality growth, uh, their, you know, well-being as a good person and be doing slow motions of exercises. Um, that's really based, uh, upon, uh, based, uh, on the Chinese traditional values, right? Truth, compassion, tolerance, when you think about it. So it became very popular in the, um, uh, late, uh, I guess 1990, a, you know, a nine late nineties, uh, by word of mouth. Uh, because, you know, you think about you, you're, you're being treated, you're kind of doing the exercises. You're, um, responsible for your own health. You don't have to go to hospital anymore. You save a lot of the money from the government because it's a state-based government, you know, medical system. So it's, it's a, it became very, very popular until the government said, uh, you know, not the, not the government, but the leader of communist party back then was John Zeman. He said, okay, these people, uh, are having a number of 70 to a hundred million people practicing. They outnumber the communist party members. They are a threat to our government. Um, so they, he himself ordered a persecution, um, to this group. And I've seen just the evidence of torturing that happened to them, uh, the psychiatric torture, anything that you felt like human brain couldn't even imagine that happened there. They don't treat people as human anymore because they will dehumanize you. They will make you the enemy of the people. They will make you nobody because as a, as a, as a doctor, right, as a doctor, as a, anybody, uh, who your neighbor, whoever, they don't want to do harm to people, right? Just human, just human nature. But once they dehumanize you, you become not a person, you become a problem to get rid of. But let me, let me ask you this, Cindy, you know, we got a couple more minutes and I want to really delve into this. Why is the UN, you know, the UN has their own millennial goals. How to make the world better. Clearly this is one of them. Uh, why has the UN been quiet on this issue? And is this something that, uh, the UN has been notified on of, of people's body parts being literally transferred without their approval or authorization? Well, it, you know, including the U S including many of the government, including the UN, right. Um, and many countries, of course, pass laws. Israel was one, uh, Spain, Italy, Taiwan, Norway, Belgium, Canada, um, I think Australia as well to pass, they pass laws to kind of, uh, you know, put some measurements, uh, to kind of make an awareness and then control this. Right. But, um, speaking of UN, um, they, they, they're doing similar dance, like, you know, we don't have evidence enough. We don't have enough of evidence, like the 1940 time, like, you know, when, when the Jewish people were, uh, exam and, and, and, and tested and, you know, being treated as non-human and nobody felt it was true. Right. It was a natural human behavior to, to feel not, it's not true. But however, as a government, um, who are having working with China to create partnerships, um, they don't want to confront China in any way. And this is a, to the Chinese government. This is the top national interest and top national secret to have anything to challenge this. So they've been kind of dance around that paving some condemnation maybe, but nothing really have teeth. So let me ask this, is this, you know, when you think of the money, right, I always say follow the rich white dude. Right. So when you, and I saying he's white, he could be black, he could be Asian, whatever, but, but when you talk about following the money towards this issue, um, you know, what, I mean, what are we, I mean, is this, you just said this is a billion dollar industry. I mean, who can actually go after this issue? Because again, you're talking about people doesn't matter if it's just in China, these are innocent people who, because of their beliefs, because they want freedom, because they are against a communist, uh, sectarian regime, they're thrown in jail. That's that, that's, that's, that's human rights issue. Number one, then when they're get there, uh, you know, they could be killed by the military because their, their body parts are worth more, unfortunately than people deem they are. Uh, and so let me ask this. I mean, I mean, how can we, you know, what are, what have you heard are ways that, you know, whether it's the U S whether it's the UN, whether it's a Chinese organizations, who's fighting to make sure that these people, these government leaders, these military leaders are come to justice for what they're doing. Because again, you know, this is totally unjustified when you're talking about taking people's lives because you need their organs. Absolutely. So I'm seeing some big waves coming. You know, this book, um, just got published. Is it, is it showable? There you go. We can see it. A young, uh, this journalist, um, he has done 20 years of research on this topic. So he interviewed many, many people, thought leaders. Um, and he published this book within, um, on March the 17th within a week, it became the New York times bestseller. So the subtitle is China's Oregon harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary. So this book, uh, had some recommendations when, you know, you get reading the lines and it's, there's a lot of, we are actually complicit as a country, right? We actually, actually exported technology to China for them to do it. We actually provided the medicine for them to do it. We train the doctors for them to do it. We have the transplantation centers here who are part of this thing, right? So, um, the biggest thing is like, we should stop all the grant going to these research. We should stop training the doctors that going back to do this. We need to tie our, uh, our, our, make sure that we advise our patients not to go and the insurance money shouldn't cover that. We have a lot of way to do it. And many States right now we have, uh, let me see, uh, just to make sure I have it correct. We have six States past state laws, Texas, Arizona, Idaho, Utah, Tennessee, Missouri, uh, why 50 States, right? So 50 States can do their own thing. Make sure they are state level insurance, their money don't go there and their patients not advised to go there. And we, we, we, we govern, we're secure our national interest in a state level and federal level. We have the federal laws to curb it, right? The other thing is, um, the, I think that the grassroots is very, very important. Uh, that's why we're doing our rotary club. We're raising awareness of this. We're showing films, um, anywhere we could do it, right? Like we showed this film called state organs. Um, it's a film produced, uh, in 2024, um, and took them years, years to produce and find a real people who were actually engaged in this. Military doctors who actually operated on the, on the, um, life people. And we have, um, uh, medical students interviews. And then the, the, the, the documentary state organs followed two families, real families. Um, they have relatives here in the United States and Canada. Their family lost their children when they were on their 20th and take them, uh, 20 years searching for their children only to find out they were the victim of this. So this film has to be seen by everyone. This book is very profound book. I highly recommend to read this is, um, as I said, is New York times bestseller. Um, and it's, it's a great book to see why this happened. It's not only half, you know, it's, it's happening, but why, what enabled this? What's, what's wrong with our foreign policy to enable this? What's wrong with our, uh, you know, our medical facilities and centers and our, uh, experts are being complicit as part of this. We should stop this. It's not too late. Right. So, and the good news is like, um, just not long ago, last year, uh, on September 5th, uh, the HHS health and human services, um, said, I put it exposed that in China, forced organ harvesting of prisoners has continued for over 20 years to affirm the sanctity of human life. America must sever its ties with China's organ transplant system. Yeah. So this is, uh, our government, you know, now is doing something, you know, I, I highly encourage them to continue to do, um, and then make sure that we, everybody reads this book and two things, right. One is through the legal, the laws has to pass and, and, and put measurements to stop this. The other thing is the moral side, uh, make sure that we, um, we do the exam. We are compliant that the medical centers has to be really looking to their risk level. Are they compliant? Are they compliant to do no harm? Right. They, the medical doctors vow to a Hippocratic oath that they need to be patient centered. They need to, um, provide, uh, the privacy for the patients. They'll, they'll be ethical, right? The practice has to be ethical that needs to be exempt. Um, and, and, you know, make sure that the, they are compliant there when they do the process with working wherever, especially in China, they, they should, they should really, they must really should do no harm to other people. Folks hide your wife, hide your kids. They come in after you, you heard it here. Cindy Lou is talking about this issue in China, but we need to make sure that it doesn't hit the United States. You know, this is insane that your body, your choice at any time that you've got to worry about your arms, legs, hips, and toes ending up on the other side of the world. That's a problem. Folks. We're at the end of time. I want to thank my guest, Cindy Lou, Cindy, always good to have you on the show. Go get the book, promote the book, Cindy. Yes. So kill for killed to order. This book is out on Amazon. Um, this way. Yeah. What one way either way, either way you're, you're right. My love, but folks killed the kill to order. Get the book. Tell a friend if you here's the deal. If you, if you guy, if you're, if you're questioning whether you want your organs to go to you, then you need to address it. Go to your legislator, go to your state Senator and your Congress person, your organs belong to you folks. I got to go. That's the end of time. As we always say, this show is for smart people, real news, real fun, all the time, real info. And as we always say, good night and Godspeed. Take care. Thank you.