Delhi Air Pollution: Post-Diwali Smog Turns Toxic, 8 Monitoring Stations Record Severe AQI Levels

Delhi's pollution story, which falls under the horror genre that has now taken for the worse. For hours on Diwali night, several air quality monitoring stations showed gaps in their readings. Think of it as a data eclipse. Now, the data from the Delhi Pollution Control Committee has just revealed how toxic the air may have become during those missing hours. Let's continue talking about as far as 11 stations are concerned that had as far as readings are concerned that vanish for hours when we speak of PM 2.5. Now, the areas that we speak of, these are monitoring stations at the hotspots where I have been recording as far as particulate matter and when it comes to their readings of PM 10 and PM 2.5, almost reaching 4000. Now, the data from the Delhi Pollution Control Committee has revealed just how toxic the air may have become during those missing hours. What the data shows, especially in Munka, p.m. 10, last reading that happened at 9 p.m. recorded at 8.40. The DPCC reading at 2 a.m. recorded at 3.985, almost touching 4,000. Then now at Munka, when it comes to p.m. 2.5, the last reading that happened at 9 p.m. recorded 636. Then the DPCC highest reading at 2 a.m. recorded from the same location at 3,744. When we speak of JNU, again, when it comes to a high reading crossing 3,000 p.m. 2.5 and p.m. 10. And also when we speak of NSUT, p.m. 10 reading, last reading that happened at 10 p.m. recorded around 898. And the DPCC recorded 3,155 at 5 in the morning from the same location. Now, while the numbers raise questions about the monitoring system, our ground reports, however, reveal another troubling picture. A smog tower in the heart of the capital stands shut. Water sprinklers that are meant to tackle pollution are not working at one location. And a newly inaugurated monitoring station in Vasundhara enclave, the display screen, yet to be installed. However, the AQI data also shows major irregularities. The ground report and of course what the data has been showing has completely contradicting points. Times Now is doing a reality check of the Central Pollution Control Board's monitoring system in various parts of Delhi. Right now, we are reporting from the ITO, and this is the CPCB's pollution monitoring system at the ITO. You can see, as of now, the PM2.5 particulate matter pollution over here is showing out to be 189. So that is the screen on which the details will come. But whether these details are right, because you can see that PM2.5 here, As of now, it's 189. So we will do a reality check. Allegations from the opposition parties that data is being hidden. The situation in Delhi is worse than it is being projected. So as of now, I have this air quality meter. While the board shows the PM2.5 pollution over here to be around in 189 category, the air quality monitor that I have shows the PM2.5 to be around... 350, which is in severe category. And that is the difference that is being questioned by various political parties. Times Now is doing a reality check. As of now, my camera person Gopal will show you. The details of PM2.5 pollution over here is around 350 to 400. It's fluctuating between 350 to 380 largely. But on the board, which is being kept over there, which is an official board from the CPCB, a monitoring station is there at the ITO. The details of PM2.5 are 189. So there's a massive difference between what is being shown on the board over here at the monitoring station. So we have to wait and watch what exactly the government will have to say on this. I am in a farm right now where Parali has been set on fire and you can see in the pictures how the smoke is rising from the fields, Parali is being set on fire, Parali is being set on fire. In different districts of Punjab, especially the border areas, this starts from there and even now the border areas are at the top. But in other districts, the fire is still going on and the Delhi government's claim is that the fire is burning in Punjab, the government itself is behind it so that pollution increases in Delhi and the pollution of Delhi is AQI, it has reached a very bad state, but the logic of the Punjab government is that it is a conspiracy to defame the farmers of Punjab and the Punjab government. This is the second consecutive day after Diwali when the air quality index is under the hazardous category crossing the mark of 400 and right now we are reporting from Anand Vihar which is one of the most polluted zones in the national capital and I would like to show you the visuals here as there is a thick layer of smog which has been engulfed in the air of the national capital. These The machines of water sprinklers were being installed at this spot as well. But even those are also not working. This is the same area where the Central Pollution Control Board had installed a smog tower. There is a blame game which has started between the BJP and the Aam Aadmi Party. However, the way in which the BJP government in the national capital, they are basically stating that there is a conspiracy behind this sudden smog. There is a surge in the air pollution levels in the national capital but on the other side it is also being reported that Congress party has made this allegation that the BJP government in the national capital is trying to suppress the data of the air quality index but it is actually the common man, the citizens of the national capital who are suffering due to this air pollution levels as they are feeling irritation in the eyes, they are feeling irritation in the throat but there are no such concrete steps which have been taken by the government So you saw those reality check the ground reports. BJP now turning the spotlight on Punjab. Let's get you the political blame game bit. Alleging that there has been a sudden spike in stubble burning incidents on the night of Diwali. BJP is now asking whether the spike was natural or was it part of any political conspiracy. The Aam Aadmi Party is saying that why don't we get a pollution right and along with that if we talk to the Prime Minister of Punjab, he is saying that we are sending smoke in sacks, even Haryana has to be in the middle of Punjab and Delhi. Look, today I will only talk about Namo Yamuna River Safari, those who have pollution in their minds, they will only see dirt, they had 10 years, they could have done all this work, they have been in the government for the last 5 years in Punjab, a lot could have been done, when the people are going to say bye bye, then they are going to go crazy. Now, the Aam Aadmi Party in the Punjab government has hit back, accusing the BJP of singling out Punjab and its farmers. They argue that stubble burning incidents have fallen sharply under the AAP government and has questioned why Haryana and Uttar Pradesh are not facing the same scrutiny. One day before Diwali, there was a 5% contribution to the Parali Jal. On the day of Diwali, there was no contribution. There was no contribution. Why? Because the direction of the wind from Punjab was towards Pakistan. And the Congress has also accused the BJP government in Delhi of failing to enforce the Supreme Court green cracker guidelines, while also questioning Aam Aadmi Party's record on pollution. Delhi used to be known as a green capital under Sheila Dikshit's regime. And every Delhiite used to enjoy Delhi, especially during Diwali. We used to burst crackers, we used to go out on the road, we used to go running. But since the time Pradhan Mantri Modi has stepped into Delhi, the entire Delhi has changed. How come a green capital became the world's most polluted capital under Bharatiya Janata Party's central rule? And Prime Minister Modi has taken no step. Today I will call him a Delhiite because he has been saying it for the last 12 years. What has he done for Delhi? What have you done as the Prime Minister of the country? You control the entire country. What steps have you taken? Every Delhiite is suffering today because of your carelessness. And he must come forward and apologize to all those who've lost their family members because of air pollution. I feel that the people themselves We should be concerned about the health of our children and our elders and also such patients who have asthma, asthmatic patients or those who have diseases related to the lungs. In particular, the public should be aware of this and the government should also forcefully impose such restrictions so that pollution increases. If the government does not force it, because look, it is not written in any religion that any work should be done to increase pollution. I don't think it is written in any religion. But beyond the political accusations and the data dispute, there is a far more urgent question as this, when is this air? You know, when it comes to what is this air actually, what the people are actually breathing and the kind of diseases that it is now inviting, because it is not just people who already have health issues, but healthy people are also being infected because of this toxic air. It's a pan-India problem, not only North or only Delhi NCR problem. 2015 was the first we started talking about air pollution in North India. It's 2026 now, 11 years, same questions, same answers, problem on the ground has not changed. I think the biggest requirement is for 140 crore people of the country to understand. That this clean air is not just about two or three October, November, December months. It's certainly not about Diwali as some people make it out to be. It's around the year, serious health emergency. But beyond the political accusations and the data dispute, there is a far more urgent question. You know, what is this air doing to the people who are breathing it, rather forced to breathe it? When we are looking at, you know, it is equivalent of smoking 150 to 200 plus cigarettes almost on a daily basis. It invites severe lung and eye irritation, breathlessness as well. There is also a heightened risk of stroke or heart attacks. Then, of course, when it comes to asthma and COPD attacks, that may also surge sharply. It's the highest risk also for women who are pregnant and for little children. And this, in fact, according to AQI and among those top 10, Or top 100, if we talk about the cities. And this is nowhere that we are now looking at, you know, being on the top of the charts. 93 of them, can you believe it, are Indian cities. So 93 out of 100, that seems to be the rank that India has now given itself as far as even if we talk about the topmost five polluted cities are also in India. Ghaziabad seems to be leading the chart, followed by New Delhi, then Faridabad, then Noida, Sonipat. And when we speak of the polluted countries as well, well, India is not very far behind. Leading is Bangladesh, then comes India. And this is coming in from the AQI dot in as far as the information is concerned. Let's open this up. And here on Urban Debate, I invite Mr. Anil Gupta, spokesperson of the BJP, Harishankar Gupta from the Congress Party, Vaibhav Srivastav from the Aam Aadmi Party. We also have Dr. D.K. Gupta, chairman and MD Felix Hospital. We have Kavita Ishok, environmentalist. Thank you very much, all of you, for joining us. Anil ji, I will start with you, sir. What happened to the data, sir, on the night of Diwali from the 8th of November till morning of 9th of November? Where did this data go, sir? See, there are 1296 monitoring stations in the country. After that, 59 monitoring stations are located in Delhi. Delhi has an area of 1496 km. At an interval of 5 km each, you will find a monitoring station. Delhi is also the leading state or city which has integrated control and command center maintained by DPCC. All the monitoring stations in the country, including Delhi, are linked to the server of CPCB. You mentioned about the missing data. There is no missing data. It sometimes happens when there is a sudden spike. Some instruments stop working. Still, some of the monitoring stations were working. The AQI is calculated on the basis of the average reading. of all the monitoring station which are functioning so readings were there AQI readings were there which is definitely valid even on the same app of the CPCB the readings were there there is no deviation there is no fudging of the data it is it is a fact these centers are maintained by the scientists of the CPCB and DPCC. So what are you attributing to as far as if you're saying that the data is not missing, then do you believe that as far as, you know, 4,000, sir, I mean, is this even believable as far as the figures are concerned, that it was unable to read such kind of figures and data that it caused a glitch? I don't know from where you get all these informations. I saw your story. Sir, this is official government data. No, no, no official government data. I'm telling you, you know, you prove it. And just listen to me, then you prove it. I just saw your story, one of your reporters I'm showing some details in the mobile phone. You know for there are eight parameters in the air quality index that includes SOx, NOx, carbon monoxide, lead, benzene, PM 2.5, 10. You need a full-fledged laboratory to test these measures. Which are located in the monitoring stations. How can you check them using the mobile? Even the main content. We had an AQI monitor, sir. It was not even on a mobile phone. I'm saying, you know, I'm saying you. See, I'm a technical person also. You see my qualification. See, you need to measure PM 2.5 in the laboratory. There is a Teflon screen is there. There is a beta radiation is there. So many things are there which measures. And these readings. Only readings is cumulative twenty four readings, then average is calculated AQI. We need to believe in the details given by the CPCB. Under the Sameer app or directly on the bulletin. So you're not going as far as the other equipments are concerned. Let me, I have to take opening statement from everybody. But you asked me to prove it. Let me actually tell you what the data shows. Because I didn't go across in detail. I'm going to put, you know, when it comes to the facts on the table. I'm talking about as far as on the night of Diwali. It was the 8th of November. Mundka, PM 10, particulate matter 10. Last reading happened at 9 PM. It recorded 8.40. D.P.C.C. reading at 2 a.m. recorded from the same location, 3,985. Mundka, PM 2.5, particulate matter. Last reading that happened at 9 p.m. recording at 636. 2 in the morning, the D.P.C.C. recorded the highest reading of 3,744. Then comes JNU, PM 10, last reading happened at 11 p.m., 925. D.P.C.C. highest reading happened at 4 a.m. and it was recorded at 3,025. JNU PM 2.5, last reading happened at 11 PM. 880, highest reading happened at 4 in the morning, which is about 3,023. I can go on about this. But as far as when it comes to, this is the official data that has been released. Now, there is no running from here on also. Because it was on the same day, Punjab recorded the highest number of stubble burning. 1,000 cases, sir. You have undone, actually, all the work, all the hard work that has gone into stopping Parali burning. What's up, Bekaar Gai? Vaibhav? Hello. Vaibhav, can you hear me? Hello. Am I audible? Yeah, you are audible, but am I audible to you? Yeah, can you please, ma'am, repeat your question? Alright, if you were hearing me giving out all of the official data, Vaibhav, this is the story of Delhi, but Punjab is also not far behind. One single day on the 8th of November, there has been the highest spike, over 1100 cases of stubble burning that has been reported. So you have basically undone all the work that has been gone into what your government says in stopping incidents of Parali within 24 hours. Sorry, that's actually not true. If you go by the stats, means first of all, I want to categorically point the blatant lie which has been told by the BJP spokesperson on your channel that no any portable device can measure PM 2.5 and 10 outside laboratory. That is a blatant lie. We have a numerous. I can give you the brand and the that monitors portable monitors which can preferably count the exact PM 2.5 and 10 categories, the blatant lie which has been told on your channel. Now coming on to the fact so the point is I will go by the fact and I will go by the numbers of the central government because I very much believe in my Prime Minister Narendra Modi ji. Whether you believe or not, I am very much concerned about him. And I go by the fact with central government. As per central government, the incidents of farm fires has been in 2000, it is 80,230. And last year, it was 5,321 incidents as per CAQM and Ministry of Earth Sciences. DSS, particularly DSS earth sciences. So that has been a 93% of steep down in terms of fire incident. And at the same time, I'll want to quote the incidents of Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh. So Rajasthan, it is roughly around a steep jump of 93% as in terms of UP, it is 47%. And in terms of Madhya Pradesh, it is close to 97%. So this is kind of a work. I just want to interrupt you because everybody seems to be challenging me about when it comes to the data and official data that has been released. Let me also tell you, this is coming in from the Punjab Pollution Control Board and the Commission for Air Quality Management Monitoring Enforcement Action Report, saying that the number of farm fires has increased by 34.8% in just 24 hours. This is coming in Punjab. 1,152 fresh cases. Can you deny that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying I'm not denying it. I am saying that there is an instance of a fire incident in Punjab. I am not denying it. I am saying that with our intervention. What? Why? Okay, okay. Let me count this. How do your cameras always reach Punjab? Why don't your cameras reach Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh? Our cameras are everywhere, sir. Our cameras are also shown in Delhi. They are checking the IP. Don't blame the cameras. No, because this is a biased reporting. This is a totally biased reporting. Aam Aadmi Party and Punjab government has reduced as terms coined by central government to 93%. Have you not seen the data which I have also spoken about other states, including the likes of Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan? Show me the data. Show me the data of Rajasthan, Mr. President. Let me do that. Let me put out when it comes to the other states as well. And I have mentioned that all of the states have contributed when it comes to incidents of Parali burning. Unfortunately, Punjab is topping the list. You are specifically pointing to Punjab. That is a totally welcome. I don't go by that. I don't ditch that fact. I'm saying where is the data of UP, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh? Haven't they gone steep? They have gone to up to 97% and you are even not mentioning the data. And you are... Who is saying you are not mentioning the data? Come on Vaibhav, I'm going to reject all of your allegations there. I have mentioned each and every state. As you go on by the fact, what is the number? Yes, yes. Okay, let me ask. What is the number of fire incidents of UP? No, if you are going to indulge in this kind of a blame game and shooting the messenger, this is something which is not acceptable. No, no, this is not right. What is the number of fire incidents of UP and Rajasthan? I have put out the data when it comes to the fire incidents that have been reported. I am asking you about what happened on that one single day. I'm acknowledging that when it comes to Punjab, if they say that they have taken measures when it comes to stopping incidents of Parali burning, but what happened to one single day of over 1100 cases of fires being reported? So, have I, haven't, have I? I am not stating that there are the incidences of Punjab, we have registered the FIR, we have imposed the fine, we are working with the farmers and we have narrowed down these cases. Haven't I acknowledged this and I am sad that we are working to narrow down these incidents more and more. But why don't you coin at the same time the fellow counterparts are doing nothing? The fellow counterparts are doing nothing. We are working on it. We are working on the sources and the causes and we are only the blame game which the BJP is pointing and the media is also coining the same. How can it balance the fact, ma'am? Balancing the fact, literally. I mean, we are here breathing that toxic air and we can't raise questions as to why we are breathing and rather forced to breathe this toxic air. I mean, this is something that you're not turning into this entire scenario to be quite childish. I'm sorry. Yes, let me take it from the Congress leader as well. Sir, political blame game. Can we avoid scrutiny? The Aam Aadmi Party is now coming out to say that why not put out the same questions when it comes to UP, Haryana, Rajasthan? Why only point fingers towards Punjab? Look, your reality check and the data you have given, on the day of Diwali, 4,000 AQI. This is the worst thing that has ever happened in the world, and I don't think it will ever happen. After this data, after this revolution, BJP or other AAP party should not argue with each other. They should accept their mistakes and see how it can be tackled. But the mindset of these governments is that it happens every year, it will keep happening and it will be fine. This is wrong. The attitude they have adopted is wrong. 4000 AQI, if it was on Diwali night, who is responsible for it? Who is responsible for it? And when this is a fact, this is the truth, after that, they are arguing with them. This argument has been made by Anil ji and the rest of the people are also doing it. They have no room to argue. Even after that, if these governments argue, then he is a criminal. He is a criminal against the people. To defend the government, to protect the government, to protect your family, you can say whatever you want, this is not right. Now we are talking about Delhi. You talked about Punjab. I agree, I agree with Vaibhav. Today the situation in Noida, in UP, the reason is NCR. The situation in Noida is worse than in Delhi. We should see that too. Now we talk about Delhi. In the city, today, you see... 70 lakhs of people travel by metro. There are 5200 buses in Delhi including CNG and electric. There were so many buses in 2013 too. There are so many public transports. If the Congress government hadn't brought the metro, then you can guess what would have happened to 70 lakhs of people in Delhi. We will have to prepare a roadmap for the C.N.G. bus congress. We should have the willpower and the effort to do so. We can't just talk about it and argue about it. Shila Dikji ji has thought a lot before preparing the roadmap. She has made so many flyovers in Delhi to remove the congestion in Delhi. She has removed the congestion. But if she has made it, then she has made it. After that, there is no change. No, the same thing happens in every sector. Everyone takes credit, but if we talk about responsibility, So when the year is about to end and it's the beginning of winter, sir, then this story is repeated every year, unfortunately, and then no one takes credit. Then there is a political blame game. I will take one minute. Our government was there for 15 years. Mr. Karthik. Now your doctor Arvind Kumar will say that after 15 and by 26 this situation has deteriorated. In 2013, our government went away. We took two steps. Sir, if there is a pollution, then it's not going to stop at just the borders of Delhi, no, that we will go to pollution, okay, we will not go beyond UP, or any state, it doesn't have any borders. Let me bring in Dr. Gupta as well, opening comments, sir, because it has now been said that this kind of pollution levels, PM 2.5, PM 10, almost touching 4000 is akin to having, I don't know how many cigarettes, we haven't calculated that much, sir. Almost on a daily basis. How dangerous is that, Dr. Gupta? I am watching this type of debate for last several years and we have seen this discussion and we have seen the new policies implementation but still we are lagging far behind controlling this air pollution. If we talk globally around 8 million premature deaths are directly linked to the air pollution and significant number is related to India. We talk about effect, ill effect of this air pollution it has serious effect on our health in on each organ on each body system. Starting from the neurological system, it gives you headache, irritation, long-term can lead into depression also. Eyes may lead into irritation, watering of eye, nasal congestion, nasal stuffiness, running nose, throat irritation. Like I still am, I mean, my throat is irritating and I'm having cough because of this air pollution only. For patients who are suffering from COPD, asthma, they can have acute attack. children less than five years they are prone to bronchitis prone to pneumonia and also a long-term exposure can lead to lung cancer also it has been a serious it's a serious risk factors for developing lung cancer long term exposure of air pollution and reducing the vital capacity of small children are less than five years if somebody is pregnant if somebody is pregnant it can lead to premature delivery pains, premature labor pains, delivery and low birth weight baby can have serious Long term effect, immediate effect not long term immediate effect, immediate effect So it is almost akin of a national health emergency, Kavita ji, because, yes, I'm just coming to you, Dr. Gupta, because, Kavita ji, it is, everybody doesn't, don't have that kind of luxury, okay, pack their bags, don't be in Delhi or surrounding areas in the last Last three months of the year. And then probably next year we can come back. Everybody doesn't have that kind of luxury, ma'am. Yes, absolutely. I feel that the solution plan that we have is lagging behind to the magnitude of the problem. It's been so many years, I think 10-15 years, we've all been harping about air pollution problem and nobody has been able to solve it yet. Although the policies are good, but the on-ground implementation seems to be really poor because sometimes you see some vehicles, you know, doing sprinkling of water. How much do you think it can help? Because air pollution levels are touching 800, 900, even beyond 1000. So I don't think that we should debate here about whether the data is true or whether we are biased to Punjab or not. I think that is all a very futile conversation. It's not going to help anybody. Not the citizens of Delhi and NCR, the real mudda here is to understand the causes and what with the government citizens can participate and help solve this issue. All right. Anilji, I mean, we are looking at within days, you know, GRAP 1, GRAP 2, GRAP 3 has now been invoked. We're still looking at measures as far as when it comes to, you know, controlling air pollution. Do you believe that all of these measures are showing Showing any results on ground. If you do a comparative data or you know, when it comes to last year or the previous year, it is not about who was in power, sir, because the situation on ground has to change. The situation definitely in the previous month has changed. You know, if you see the AQI from January to October, it was comparatively better. On 31st In the first October, the AQI in Delhi was 117. Even if you see the data of October-September, See, we took several measures, I am detailing you. We have the largest fleet of electric vehicles, more than 5000 electric vehicles. Sorry, one interjection sir, AQI of above 100, moderate category is not clean air sir. Yes sir, please continue. So I request you to come with the data of 2025, 2024, 2023. Is it not a one day job? You asked me for the measures, I am explaining the measures which Delhi government took. 117. See, I said what happened on 31st October, it was 117. Suddenly, the farm fires started in the Punjab. 1st November, 2nd November, 3rd November, now on 7th November, you have also mentioned 1,116. What is the source of PM2.5? Any technical person can say. It is tailpipe emission or the farm fires, stubble burning. When we say that we have converted our maximum fleet to EV that shows we are desperate to come down the Delhi pollution. If it is diesel vehicles definitely it enhances the PM2.5. So we are able to constrain, contain the PM10 also, you know, all the constructions have been banned, the dust generation units have been banned, the construction, all these demolition units have been banned. So we are able to do all these things, even the roads which now are being constructed There is no system on the road. We have, in fact, reduced the heights of all the three garbage mountains to half. Oh. Hmm. We have started processing all this garbage, which now has reached to 14,000 tons per day, in waste to energy, in waste to gas. So many long-term measures are taken. But we all get this thing in the legacy of 26 years. 15 years Congress and 11 years of the Aam Aadmi Party. We need to clean. It is now, it is our responsibility, I'm saying this thing. And we have taken so many measures. If there is any question of data fudging, why we put up the integrated control and command center? I'm just going to put out on that. I'm just getting the information that we also, you know, questioned the same as far as when it comes to the Delhi situation, festivities, how exactly is the cause stubble burning, is the cause multiple other factors that add to, you know, rising or worsening, you know, air quality. We had that conversation with the Delhi Chief Minister and with the Delhi Environment Minister. I would like to play that out. We are joined by Mr. Sir. Sir, the issue of AQI data has been raised by Aam Aadmi Party. They have been saying that it's a purging of data which BJP is doing. What do you have to say about it? He is lying because the AQI of Punjab has increased a lot. The AQI of Sangroor in Punjab is around 1300. No one has ever heard of such an AQI. In such a situation, they think that first they have destroyed Delhi. Now they think that the media is showing Punjab every day. So they have played a new stunt. I want to tell you that in this, the AQI stations... The central government, CPCB, and the state government. About 40% is ours and 60% is the central government's. And the CPCB gives all these reports to the Supreme Court from time to time. So no one, even an inch, even a number, can do anything about it. Just listen to this. Sir, are you trying to say that none of these centers were shut, 56? That's a big statement coming out. No one can shut down the centre. No one can shut the centre. No one has the power to shut it. There is no process to shut it. I want to tell you again, there is no process to shut it. There is no button to shut it. There is no process to shut it. This is a continuity thing. There can be any kind of manual mess in it. And I want to tell you another thing. I want to ask you one more thing. I am a hypocrite. What do I answer to hypocrites every day? Some say they poured water on me. Look, there is nothing to do by pouring water around the station. The station takes data of 3 km. Suppose there is a station here, and you have poured water on it, then what will happen by pouring water? It takes its reading how much pollution there is within 3 km. So you think it took 24 hours for the Delhi government to give a clarification on this thing? So you asked for a clarification, why would I give it? You want to take it, I gave it. Why should I give a clarification? The people of Delhi know everything. How can you say that it took 24 hours? When did you talk to me to take a clarification? When did you call me? Sir, they are coming on social media. Sir, they are coming on social media. Sir, I gave you the answer to your question very easily. Stop making this narrative. Sir, I am asking you. Sir, I am asking you. Sir, I am asking you. The Aam Aadmi Party has been putting allegations on social media for 24 hours. The Aam Aadmi Party has been putting allegations on social media for 24 hours. If the Aam Aadmi Party will put allegations on Times Now, will you want to answer them? Angad, they say it on social media, you say it on social media. They put it on Times of India every day, they say it on your newspapers, on your papers every day. By saying this, it makes sense to give an answer to what they are saying. Look, you people... You are sure that no sentence is closed? No, I told you that there is no process for it to be closed. It is a matter of time for it to be closed. There is no process for it to be closed. Come on, Vaibhav, do you want to respond to that? You have been accusing us of biased reporting. We have confronted the Delhi Environment Minister himself. Now tell us. I am so shocked and surprised that this man is the environment minister of Delhi. This is not a shameful thing. I will bust his two claims. If you talk about any environment, we have worked in the government for the past 10 years. We know, we have been very environmentalist and activists, so we know this. He said two things, that by sprinkling water around the antenna there won't be any change in the readings and second, the air quality monitoring antenna takes the readings from 3 km radius. I challenge him on your TV, prove him if it is correct. If I am wrong on both the points, I won't come to your channel from tomorrow. Is this how the environment minister is making such kind of frivolous claim? It is clear manipulation of data and why the sprinklers are on the top of the antenna. ITI, Jahangir Puri, to be specific station. I have pointed, we have released the footages, our MLAs have manually gone on to that station. Why was the water splashing on the antenna's face? On the face, not the other side, on the face. And we have the clear geotagging footage. Second thing, you are claiming about, like Mr. Gupta of BJP was saying that on 31st, AQI was 93. You also agreed, you also didn't counter it. So, 30 and 31st are... There is quite a big rain in Delhi. There is quite rain all over in Delhi. AQI reading came down. Mahendra Singh Siddhanta ji's tweet came out. We reduced the AQI. We told Rekha Gupta ji. This is a mockery of a system. I didn't count it as clean air. You can't count it as moderate. Moderate air is not clean air. I didn't count it as that, Vaibhav. I am saying that this is a fraud data. So you have a spokesperson from the BJP who is sitting right there Answer all of your questions. You've been accusing us of biased reporting. We've put out a confrontation with the Delhi Environment Minister. Anilji, quick update from you. I have to also go to Hariji. Yes. I think Weber is behaving like a god. He has control over the air of Delhi. He says that by sprinkling water near that, the data will vary. See, nobody has control over the air, whether it is polluted or non-polluted. What we get from the air, either the gaseous emissions, SOx, NOx, lead. Carbon monoxide or particular matter. Can you fix the area of any air? It is a scientific thing. I mean whichever comes near to the monitoring stations that get recorded and I again say AQI is a standard phenomena, is a standard formula given by CPCB. We need to think. We need. They give the bulletin at 4 pm regularly. It is the 24 hour average. Just a spark in one parameter doesn't mean it is an AQI. You can say at particular time the PM2.5 reading was that. You can say. No, but you cannot take credit even when it comes to the weather conditions. I mean, if it rains, it's good. But you cannot take credit to say that already it is raining. So it has, you know, brought down the levels of pollution. Let me complete now. You normally stop me. Please. No, sir, I have very limited time. I have three more guests. That's why I'm interjecting. Yes. You should not have invited me. You should not have invited me. You should not have invited me. No, please go on. Please go on, sir. See, I said on 31st October, the AQI was 117. Then suddenly, fire fire started in Punjab and AQI then increases. So there is a correlation. And I challenge you above. He may be a technical, I don't know whether he's a technical, and I challenge, I request your cameraman also. Earlier 59 monitoring station, kindly send your team to any of the monitoring stations. And prove there is a fudging. I challenge. You cannot challenge the scientists of CPCB. You can always say, we did not do anything. Our government did not. That can be there. But you cannot challenge, nobody can challenge the data fudging. It is not right. You should not question. Hari ji, please complete your point now, sir. Vaibhav, I'll just come to you. I have two more guests. Yes, Hari ji, because as far as data is concerned, nobody is saying that, you know, data has been fudged. They are saying that is out of the question. But speaking of AQI, well, when it comes to AQI and other of the adjoining states, including Including that of Punjab. is also very bad, sir. So you can't compare only to Delhi. Look, the thing is, I said it in very clear words, that your reality check. He was absolutely right. He is verified. Every person in Delhi, who has a telephone and monitor, has checked in different areas of Delhi. After that, there is no need to save his government. And he is a criminal. This is a criminal conspiracy against people. Now, Mr. Anil is saying, sir, the data on the monitoring station, how Sirsa has also said, I want to ask Mr. Anil, how many monitoring stations have you been to, have you gone there and seen? I have seen, my Wajirpur constituency is studied. In my Wajirpur constituency, I'm literally down to a minute. Anil ji, a quick counter piece. Madam, I challenge him. I am a board member of DPCC also. I have visited many monitoring stations. And Wajirpur is an industrial area. DSIIDC has an office there. In all the industrial areas, the sprinkling machines are going there. And he is a leader from that area. He should not make abuses and he should not lie in front of the cameras. Okay. Everybody is giving out challenges here but remains to be seen exactly when it is time that we will actually get to breathe clean air. Clean air does not mean satisfactory or in the poor or in the moderate categories. We're talking about an AQI, which is actually something which is breathable. Unfortunately, India seems to be topping the charts when it comes to over 90 Indian cities and about 100 cities. Well, unfortunately, we seem to be topping the charts there. Thank you very much. All of your apologies, Dr. Gupta and Kavitaji. I could only come to you once, but this unfortunately has now turned into a political blame game. Thank you very much, everyone, for joining us.