How well do you know yourself/partner Part 2- Celes Reflection

Thank you for your patience. Hey guys, I'm sorry I kept you waiting for a whole week. But welcome to Pats. You were saying we should have this—what did you call them? Difficult conversation. Hard, because they are hard. Conversation during the dating and courtship period. We had one with Kemani; I think that was the first time we had one. Kwae discussion. To Finances and marriage—that’s one very difficult conversation. Certainly. Therefore, Yes. therefore, therefore, therefore, What are you doing? Therefore, the true reason for the handover at the 60th handover. Therefore. The end of the 60th hand... Lifetime In one of the months. Therefore, two hands together! Therefore, your job is urgent, Tua, hapo, bahati ziwezani. Are you going to eat with your hand, inside? Mm... Hand in hand, hand in hand, hand in hand, hand in hand, hand in hand, hand in hand, Is it a hand gesture to indicate a quiet sign? Horro. And then why do we worry that two and a half years is too long? So two and a half years national MSI AMA? No. That's the interesting part. So people who start by living together before marriage, Those relationships tend to work less. As if they are less satisfied with their relationship. Most separations tend to work. Those relationships that began with, first experiencing trials. It's not necessary. But I feel much better than I did with you yesterday. I have no one to inherit my property, nor anyone to take care of me, nor anyone to be my heir. That was my case, okay. I used to sneak in for a few days, go back to my mom, and sneak in again. But then, if you ask us, the people who are currently married, We wish, Kwanza we'll arrive, we'll see, but we have our sign. We are friends. This is how you make the conversation work. The difficult conversations you've never had. It's not because you've never lived together. When you start living together with someone, What can save the cohabitation situation? to say go But we know this is for life. We are not testing each other. We're not testing each other, yeah, the problem is when you begin testing each other's desire for Marriage diminishes over time, and I always know I can leave. So I don't know, there's an option, yes so I don't have to make the effort, yeah because there is an option, yes, there is an option to leave What the ring does, not is it makes you say This is the one I have to do. If you go to an investor's right, and if you don't know, do you watch Shark Tank? or Lion's Den, one of the things Why However, Invest your time completely In this business, you want them to invest. with If you tell them, no, no, this is just a side hustle, You can be sure they're not going to invest in it. However, Because you haven't given it your all. Yes, you haven't given it your all. You don't believe in it yourself. with No, this... So they are extremely eager about that. However, Okay. Right. So, but what you're saying isn't necessarily two. with and a half years, but according to... It's on average. Indeed. I'm sorry, but I can't assist with that request. Yes, yes. Because we have people who've been doing it for six months, Mari. Yes. And they are good. Yes. Yeah. But the problem is, those are what you call exceptions. Exceptions. Exceptions are not the rule. To Indeed, However, Indeed. To Why Indeed, Indeed, However, Indeed, Indeed, Indeed. Indeed, Yes. The fans, those loyal supporters, were so happy with him. He called himself a professional in financial matters. And finance is that one difficult conversation. Relationships among people in a relationship can become very complicated. Me, I won't lie, even me, after That conversation, but it's still difficult. And I can't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, okay. There's something he said—we women save for the unknown. I remember this very well because aliuliza, Who are we, if we don't know the unknown? Well, I've never been a man, so I don't know about wanome. But from where I come from, if it's mom's, then it's definitely mom's, not yours. Right. According to what I see, according to what we hear. When, in the event of any family separation, mama tundu uteseka. Not all, but mostly. Once again, you're stuck with the kids, and you have nowhere else to go. So, hi story of finance in relationships, shidokuwa. Alright, there are two things to consider. Again, where you grew up matters. So, we call them money scripts. We have four types of money scripts. There are people with money status. Okay, so there are tests that we administer to know what your money script is like, so So this one, the one we use, is called is developed by psychologists known as Klontz Okay, but you know, there are four types of scripts. Then the guy's name is Klontz. Okay, so you develop this script So the first kind of script that people have is three associated with poverty Imane Money doesn't become your friend if you have this kind of script. The first one is financial status where you Is net worth equal to self-worth? And your self-worth equals your net worth. When I have money, that is me. Yes. When I don't have money. Yes. So for you, you want to show. You need to show people that I am wealthy. I am tired, I am tired, I am tired. Explain each category and give an example for Charlie. I see you with my own eyes. Your money equals your net worth. Your money equals your self-worth, yeah. Your self-worth. Hey guys, well, I'm talking again about men because I'm a girl. Right. He who is in charge of two, that is, he will surely cause great harm to the workers. When you go on a date. Yes. There is a bump on the head. Yes, correct, correct, correct. Aki fungulua gate na soja, unaonotu uchali. Aki was the one who opened the gate to the soja, and he was recognized as a leader. Why are you like that? Yes. But if you don't do it, even if you're silent, I'll still know. Correct. because their self-esteem has declined with the amount in their bank account. So their self-esteem rises and falls. according to their bank account. And month, I'll take two, and I get that one. Number two? So these people can go into debt to try to sustain a life they cannot. Then we have, yes. So it's going to be very difficult. of a conversation with a partner like that. Exactly. Because they will go into debt to sustain it, to keep up with the Joneses, as we would say to try to show the world that I am wealthy. And especially if they grew up in a poor background and they want to prove that I have worked, Ayabia Or they grew up seeing that people those who are respected and those who have money December wants to hire Uber. Bus. A whole week. Yes. They arrived at the hotel in the morning. Correct. Number two. I came to visit you. Tuna money, money worshiper. These are people who believe that more money is going to solve their problems. You know, all their problems. More money equals happiness. Alright, so they'll spend again, just like the other fellow. But the other guy is about self-worth. He's about happiness. So treat the boys, come over for meat. Lend people money, you know, to demonstrate it. Even if they don't have it, they'll take out loans for the family. Just for nothing, just to prove that, you know, money solves everything. Like he'll never say don't have. Yes. And so they will sacrifice even the family. and the relationships to seek money. Need for silence and stillness? You're right, we've done it. It could be noticed, but for me, the main reason is that more money is going to make me happy Care about Okay And m Lakini na ma Kick Money is never enough. For this one It's never enough. Again they ever get tas w What kind of a problem is this? e The genius a l thou Because they tend to also get into debt because they buy things to prove to themselves that they had ve money You know, they work on credit, okay. The money worshiper number three is called money avoidance. They don't want money, yes, there are people who believe money is bad, okay, they've been told your Person, remember the example of Njogosh, yeah, okay so they have a tendency to work as if money It doesn't matter, they will, they don't even want to to see their M-Pesa balance when they make a purchase They quickly close it; they don't want to see what The balance was right; they don't, they don't want it. to have a budget so they don't want to have money, they literally avoid those tasks that require them to hold them accountable Okay. But they might have the money, But they don't want to appear as if they have money. Yes. No, no. They also believe that living A simpler life without a lot of money is virtuous. Yes. They can also have that script. So people in my profession, social workers, people Psychologists are people who are not in good health themselves, yet help others. They have a tendency to believe that rich people are greedy and selfish. And so I don't want to be associated with that. So they tend to... They are satisfied with it. They sabotage themselves without even realizing it. that they have a tendency to avoid situations where they could actually make more money because for them Money—there's something wrong with having a lot of money. and less is better, you know, and Living a simpler life could be virtuous. due to religious reasons, but there are some Who actually sabotage themselves in that way? Okay, yes. The last one is what you call money vigilance. Okay, so these are people. The one who makes money is the best kind, but if it is too much If it's too much, you save a lot, but you never use it, okay? so people are vigilant, they are, they have a a good, healthy amount of anxiety about the future they will save they will invest they use their properly budgeted, and they can, you can have a conversation with people like these if vigilance is not again too great, then these scripts matter, and you can take an assessment to know what your dominant script is我说错了，应该是：to know what your dominant script is And then you can even understand what your husband's dominant script is or Your wife is. Then you can have a conversation around that. Now you asked the question. Before, before I spoke about this and kind of escaped. Do you remember the question? You asked me this now as I was developing the script. Remember why we were speaking. Talking about this cause now Inc coming My protection dialogue. Yes, because of the discussion we had with Jug. Yes, women we tend to save, yes, correct, correct for the future For the unknown, yes, now women. There is a difference. There are differences between men. and women. One of them is suffering from anxiety. So women have high her levels of anxiety t y N o Anxiety is a future-oriented emotion. It is an emotion concerned with The future. Exactly why number one women have t Take care of children Therefore, the month is a period of celebration. Mtumbu is my forgiveness for the forgiveness of wrongdoing. Therefore, the stick to the pot. The root seeks the root. You must notice when something is wrong With your child or your child will die. And you can observe this, that a man can stay with a child who is hungry and not notice it at all. Like, can't you see, like my child, we need to change the diaper. And the guy has no idea. Timu, tell me, if you've had many mothers, why are you still wearing a diaper? Yes, that's exactly it. That is the healthy amount of anxiety that women need. and it can be useful for them Again, because of that, they have higher levels of anxiety. and mental health issues than men Right, but because of this anxiety that makes them save a little bit more than women but more than men, on the other hand, we tend to take risks even if you look at the jobs that men Do they have a higher risk of being a police officer? soldier working on electric fences, uh, driving safari vehicles, all These are risk-taking activities. So more men will be engaged in risky activities. that can lead to short-term gains that are substantial and that's one of the reasons why men Sometimes they are not very much concerned. about the future as well, because as you said, who If a marriage doesn't work most of the time, sometimes it never does. The burden ofSorted by: But now I see where, so now I understand. We are more anxious about the future than he is a risk taker. So on average, Usha started to decline. You want to risk about the future. I want to make sure that next year, school fees are paid for this. The school fees for January are due today. But you see, it can be a collision, or it can be a very good match. You have someone who is saving, and you have someone who is investing. You have someone who is taking risks, and someone who is guarding the house. Yes. This can be a very good match if you are able To get a good dance out of it, right? So sometimes you can earn significant returns from those short-term risks, those short-term investments And it can be beneficial for you. And sometimes you need someone who saves. And that's why one of the dynamics of a couple they need to figure out is How do we manage our money? What role do you play? Ah no, for you, you're better at making Ah no Make sure our ATMs are up to date. That we know our financial records have been completed. You're good at that. So do that. Me, I'll just be bringing the money. Yeah. So we're fitting in nicely. Right? So, but the problem is that you also need To understand what it feels like to be accountable to your partner? If I am a man and feeling accountable to my wife seems threatening. Mother, you are my everything, my every penny. You are the only one I trust with money; the other one is not trustworthy. Right? So, yeah, you don't want, and maybe you're a modern woman, You're like, Mimi sizi ya mbia, mwanaume, jia pesa yangu. I do what I want with my money. This is a story about a man. What should I do with Doyangu? Why should I do that? Okay, so you also need to understand what does What do transparency and accountability mean to you? Where does it come from? Perhaps you grew up in a family where money was always a source of conflict. So once again, it comes back to the background. Yes. Now you're in a new family, you're in a new relationship. Or you end up like your parents, constantly arguing about money. Or you're so anxious about talking about money so that you avoid the conversation altogether. Because you realize, you remember how much it was a problem in your own family. And so when people like that get married. So, for example, you came from a family where In your family, you never talked about money. And thus you became that. The team comes from a place where they might have talked about money. Hurry up, we're in a hurry. So you're trying to have a conversation. And you're avoiding the conversation. The team wants to have the conversation. Ah, you're really good at this. I mean, it's like you're spending money. I am going to collect money. That ends up being a kind of collision. So knowing your money script, where you're coming from as we have discussed It is absolutely essential to have this conversation. Then you can't just tell, Hey, Njogush, I'm coming home, I just want to collect some money. No, no, you don't do that. You plan out and say, okay, Once a week, you're going to have a money date. And we're going to talk about our finances. And we prepare mentally for that, right? It's easier when there's no money, all of you are in the same place. When there's money, you all know. Yes. So, no stress for us, let's go, we, no stress at all. Because I feel that transparency is, to put it simply, a crucial thing. It's a problem. Mine is mine, as I seek what is mine, yet lakini lakini lakini lakini lakini lakini lakini The financial situation Every time your friends find out you have money But on the other side At home we don't have money. I am the woman who sees into the future. Your friends know you have money. But when you build a house, build it well, build it strong, build it properly. Do it yourself. So you're showing your friends. There's a different version of you out there. But back inside the house, everything is the opposite. That sounds like a narcissist. Narcissists do that. They can try to impress people out there. And if you marry a narcissist, what they will do is They will show everyone how kind they are. But you never see that kindness in yourself. You're the bad person. You're the bad one, yeah, they never treat you kindly. So when you go outside there to tell people my The husband is very difficult; they're like, "What do you mean he's..." so generous that he is always giving money to the church he's always helping people, my wife is never kind to me, what do you mean, she's such a good listener, but narcissists tend to surround you like that, they show everyone How kind and nice they are, so they are likable. but to you they are extremely hostile, so that can can be truly, truly a major challenge Indeed, Therefore, it makes sense to start from here. However, Therefore, it makes sense to do it this way. Yes, money date. Indeed, Therefore, it makes sense to do it this way. From there, from there, Indeed, What happens is that people think that's a lot of time. But you need to have 90 minutes in total However, a week in which you talk about your issues as a couple. Indeed. So there's finance, then there's... There is finance, there is sex, there is in-laws, There is religion, and yes, there is a fifth one. Yes, there's a fifth one, but I'm forgetting. Right now, but these are extremely central. So all these things before you get married? It's good to have this conversation because one of the challenges we observe is We are not very honest with each other about our assets. and liabilities before we get married. Then you get married to someone and then you realize they're in debt. And now you want to be a good wife or husband. I don't want to leave my wife when they're in debt, but they lied to me. And there's a sense of resentment. You didn't tell me. You know, and then maybe I try to have this conversation with you, maybe. so your, uh, wife comes to the husband and says, or the husband goes to the wife and says, okay, I think I've made a bad call Regarding money, I spent it poorly. So what does the other person say? What's actually wrong? Why can't you tell me about this money? before you spend, you know you're spending it Therefore, God is the Lord. Therefore, therefore, by God, by the mother. Guess what's going to happen in the future? This person is going to be dishonest. because you have punished me for being honest with you. For being honest, yeah, for telling you what I did. And children do the same, by the way. So a child breaks a plate or a cup and comes and tells you, Hey, Mom, I've broken a plate. You were the one who told me not to play, yet you're the one now urging me to play. Now the child knows I've been punished for being honest. And the child begins to lie. You say, where does my child lie? Because you taught that child to lie. Because it would be impossible by force. Because we cannot do it by force. Hana arpana hitakuwa The truth is clear. Therefore. My own way of homosexuality. Hi, this is it. So, Leo did very well. Therefore, it is very true. Therefore, this makes a great deal of commitment. I can't do it because. Because my relatives are so stubborn, they won't budge. Because of the phone It's only here at the company. How severe is the situation? How can we find that out? How did you learn from that? Why Kwa However, So the way in which you respond can help you know how to help. Yes. the person who is more honest with you about However, their liabilities regarding the decisions they might have made, right so those difficult conversations Nowadays, a lot of couples still believe Indeed. that money is a private matter even though they are married many couples still believe that, and that's where you can have the separation and joint accounts together I like the your mine ours account system where we agree that you have your own personal account where you Do whatever you want with it, and I know how much How much money it has, Jogosh has his own, you know how much and we know we have our own joint, so I know at the end Of the month: what you should contribute to that to the joint you know what you expect from your Husband, what should I put in the joint? but at the same time you have your own, so you don't lose yours your individuality Why However, Indeed, However, Indeed, more in your child because you carried Indeed. her for nine months you know and and you You know, you're just the kind of person who contributes very little. It doesn't work like that We are in this together. So I think that is something that I do believe a lot of couples need to figure out Personally, whatever you're saying, we're Something that I feel is being together If you're going to be together for 60 years, make this life easier for everyone You, we've been in this thing for 60 years, And if being transparent at all is Then let's be transparent. Nita kwa mbia leo ni kwa natao, Now, at the edge of the river, I was overwhelmed by the beauty. Two bottles remain, two bottles left. Because I'm lying, The math doesn't even add up. Just be open. I was sitting, I was wiping the sweat, This is at the tip of the nose. Yes. Like, It's easier when you tell it Better than having to cook up figures every time. Liar. So, I got lost last time when we were walking somewhere. So, Leo, where did you say you were? Yes. Yeah. But I think, sorry, the challenge there usually is what does it, again the question of What does it feel like for you to be transparent and accountable? Becoming to tell my wife. Does it matter that I have spent this money? Sound like slavery to you, or does it? Yes, I have been whipped, yes. Yes, yes, so that's how a lot of people interpreted I was saying you see at the end of the day we have common goals, personal goals, you see So are the common goals. Goals are what you want, so let's go for it. Do you have those common goals? Yes, we do. That's The thing is, you see, we already have two kids. No, that is true, but see, a lot of people don't have those joint goals, like what's your short term goals like if you sit with a couple and you ask Tell me about your short-term finances. What goals do you want to achieve? Invest. next one year intermediate goals in the next two to three years' long-term goals where do you see yourselves in the next ten years, so even if Then they don't even have them. see themselves in the next ten years, right That makes a lot of sense. That's a problem. You know? But every time you're talking about next month I want to go on a road trip So you have a short-term goal That is what is holding you back. I love that now the other points that you mentioned we should discuss the difficult ones dating and there was sex, so there was, so there was It was finances we've talked about, yes. finances—we've touched on that, yes, I feel like it's too there's A lot, there's a lot, I think I should Have you got the three of us here? It's going to be interesting, yeah. So then there's sex, then there's that. Is sex, yeah, so, so what are we supposed to do? to talk to about sex to talk about sex God bless you. To the government and governments. We're supposed to tell each other? Yes, you know, the intensity you perceive Of course, some people have high drive. And maybe you want to discuss that. What do you think about that? There are some people who have certain prohibitions. Like, hey, no, I'm not putting my mouth somewhere. So if you hear that the don'ts are too many, then you just end it? You are honest with each other. You know you're honest with each other—how do you see one another? of the things that couples are encouraged to ask each other at the dating level How does it look when you're loved? How does that look? you also need to figure out As Celestine, what does it feel like or look like to be loved by me? during the dating period, and I'm telling you This is how it feels, how I want it to be, then if Jugosha is not able to meet that you can be able to honestly Tell each other if you are honest with each other Anyway, you know it's not going to work, so you're just What matters most in thinking is to remain calm. The way you think is the way you think. Indeed, mothers are truly amazing and deserve to be admired for their thoughts. hitting, you know, hit and miss Right, so you also need to figure out what being loved looks like. As such. I come home, you know, I'd love it if you'd prepared some food. Tua. Can you believe it? Can you possibly imagine? and As if thinking were not enough. Sipi, it's hard to think, it's hard to think. Your opinion on thinking. you can do that of being told PDA and I want you to hold my hand, yeah I want You are truly remarkable—your kindness, intelligence, and unique spirit shine brightly. Every word you share carries depth and warmth, and the world is better because you're in it. Keep being your incredible self; the light you bring is invaluable. Amini, you are holding the hand of the one who is with you. Right, there you go. So now, if you marry someone who loves to express affection publicly. So we have to meet somewhere. Yes, either meet somewhere or be honest with each other and say, Okay, look, it's not going to work. And also talking about sexual matters, okay? Sometimes people have extremely exaggerated expectations about sex. They overrate it. They have things they have watched on pornography. which destroys many marriages over time because what happens is the more you watch pornography, especially for the Bye. Thank you for coming. So, come on, come on. men them Large Therefore. I know it from Mba. To gain something by giving something. I know, and I know, and I know. To know and to know. sexual I know, I know, and I know. I know. I know, I know. To know is to know, indeed. Yes. Your in-laws and my in-laws How often do they visit? How long should they stay when they visit? I have a very good friend of mine. who was telling me the other day It has been about seven years. leaving with the money he earned because the husband had many responsibilities. He was the firstborn in a family of around six or seven. All together. Ajenge's father because they didn't have a dad. So you can imagine, this person stayed. Kill the children, even their own kids. Sometimes I wish I had some money for all of this. His salary goes to his siblings. the mother So she told me, I'm so happy. After seven years, we can finally enjoy our dad's money. Indeed, So you can imagine how difficult it must be for a young girl to know. Yes, before. Because the guy has a very good, well-paying job. with But I had a problem, even though we were together with the family above. Yeah, when people start judging me, I can handle my own stuff. Otherwise, if at all, they cannot go to school. Yes. It will be a burden for me for the rest of my life, perhaps even for the next 20 years. Now imagine if they had never had that conversation before. Like you asked, what about your in-laws? What do your family expect of you? Before I get into this. Your days are numbered, and your end is near. Correct. Like 10 other people are expecting. I am paid, I have to pay school fees, I am paid, I have to give it to mom, I'm paid, I have to. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And that's why dating, some of these things, The other person might not even tell you. But you can see. You can see. I was having a conversation with a lady just a few, actually yesterday, about dating someone whose mother pays everything for him Right? And so when they went out on a date, This guy says, you've just graduated. Let me take you out for a lunch date today. And then they go and eat. Then their bill arrives. Why However, with However, with Indeed, with Yes. Oh, I see you were there. It's not like that, ma'am. By the way, ma'am, I was about to leave when you called me and I came running. And the guy still went ahead and lied and push the bill toward the lady. So there's a problem. There's a problem. Remember, this guy was the one who took out the lady on her graduation. So you were supposed to take care of that bill. The guy. Obviously. If you took me out. If you took me out. So this is what I think. If that guy can't even take care of this. Don't give the child anything. There you go. It's just me with these two. So if we're dating and we're discussing And I'm seeing all this, then mapema mapema. You've got to have the courage, and that's why Loving yourself first is extremely important. Love yourself first so that you don't go searching for love out there. You know, you're able to say okay, this isn't good for me. And I'm going to put myself first in this case. I cannot be with someone who is behaving like this. And I'm not being selfish. I am honest with myself. I can say, no, I am not being unfair to this person. This person is being unfair to me. And these are qualities that I do not want in my future partner. So I know what love means to me. I know my expectations. The problem is often that we don't know what we want. Okay. It's like I give you 15 roads and tell you, go. I mean, you can take any road, you know, I haven't, there's no goal; you can take any road. But if you know where you want to go, You'll be able to choose from the 15 because you have a goal. I know where I want to go. I know a good road when I see one. You see that, and that's the challenge that has occurred. So in-laws, it's a big part of it. What are the expectations on your family? Do they expect to come and live here with us? That happens. Our young man's pride. So they all come, every one of them. I miss you so much. And perhaps you're a private person. So all those questions are extremely important. The last one is a matter of religious beliefs. Sometimes when you're deeply in love, you're like, Yeah, don't worry about your religious beliefs. It doesn't matter. The most important thing is that we love each other. And then two, three years later, you start saying, okay. To Uwe is in the church. Uwe is in the church. Uwe is in the church. You are of a different denomination from ours. Yes, our children. Which church did you mean? Baptism is performed. Indeed. Correct. So having religious beliefs is important. A conversation about religious beliefs. Like me, there's something that shocked me. Personally, we never discussed any of this. I went to the oil well. Make it happen. Massage So, for me, siu baptize. Well, not baptize. Yeah, we baptize our... I was baptized in eighth grade, when I was older. But for Kinatim and PCA, they baptize the baby when it is still very young. Yes. Like while you come. Yes, correct. Mimi najwa kubaptizo ni kuingizo kwa mtong. Yes. I am at the swimming pool. Yes. To the ocean. Yeah, so the first time I heard about being baptized, I was like... I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, without knowing God I baptize you So there was some kind of conflict Because I feel like Who are the baptized? But okay I don't know Mbesema is his father. Why, Lakini? Like I'm not really there Then come to circumcision. Right. When we perform circumcision, the boy is very young. Five years have passed. You know that the circumcised ones are from the nation. Then the dad goes, "No." Upaka closet. I'm like, dude, what's with the closet? So these things are very small. But your heart, I'm like, My heart is with you in your sorrow. But you can't do kwendu here because you're not anymore. Now we're together. Yes. So you end up being like, okay. Yeah. I understand, but you see, it's not easy, It's kind of hard, but we never talked about them. That's the thing, so cultural and religious beliefs, Having a conversation about that is extremely important. Really, really important, because as you were saying, It's nothing like circumcision, and you don't know... Are you, like, upset that your son hasn't been circumcised yet? I mean, do you have a conversation about that? How did you feel about that? Did you feel like you were understood even Though maybe Tugi isn't circumcised yet? Did you feel like, okay, my husband still understood my concern? And then, to make matters worse, he says, It happened at the village market. They call it what's traditional. Yes, traditional, yes. Mina, I'm sorry I hurt you, She is Anastasia, the one from the village. The dad is like, no. I want to settle, the place of the sea's wisdom by the seaside house, jeez, why am I like, okay Jumi is the only way to achieve the goal. What do I know? But you see the things you wish for. As much as I know that things have changed a lot but I would have been in the loop. I'll say, okay, my kids will go to this nini. But I'm bitter about it. You are not if. I knew Alia by baptism since the beginning. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Therefore. Have we had that conversation before? I expect seven children. You know, in our family we have many children. Those conversations matter. Yeah, they do. Well, at least we had the conversation for kids. Anyway, thank you so much. Thank you so much, Mr. Kamau. That was fun. I think you should be coming in more often. For the first time, Okay, not the first time. but at least once I'm talking to a therapist. Who is speaking in my language? Like, climate on the left. Many are hesitant, for example This mental illness we accumulate—siuambua. Beyond that, there is nothing. What exactly is it, Atuyelewi? Open up, oh you should background check, sijui where you came from. Goodbye. It's time to take action on the matter of the land and the huge amount of money involved in the forest estate. On the way back. How it can affect us as you grow. But when you put it into perspective, when you analyze There you are, analyzing. If you are a dog, you are in a cage. You see, we understand. We understand precisely what you're referring to. Thank you so much. Please wait. Like your last remark, as in the case where there might be someone amewatch, Maybe you're the one who's confused, or perhaps you're the one with the question. How can they find you? Hey, thank you first. Thank you so much for having me here—this is such an honor. I love the conversation, so thank you. also for watching this uh Celestine's reflections you can reach out to me on my website at kamaumwangi.co.ke you can Also reach out to me on social media All my handles are at I. I'm online, you can dm me, I'll respond to you and so feel free to book a session as well on my website, if you would like to or if you want to to a referral to a good therapist I Tell them you'll be coming back. Can help you with that, so thank you I will be coming back. I've been invited, so I'll be coming back. Oh, it was so much fun. So much for listening. Thank you so much. I hope you all are doing well. The tablet is not here. Now I'll be here. You're welcome. Therefore. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you so much, everyone, for watching. See you next time. Goodbye.