Jamel "Semper Fi" Herring BKFC Reddit Title Defense Interview

Hey, what's going on? Welcome back to the BKFC Reddit. Ask me anything. We're joined by a good friend of mine, Mr. Semper Fi himself, Jamel Herring. How you doing? It's good to be back on, bro. Good to see you. Good to see you. You know, the defending, you know, like everybody's always like, oh, you're not really a champ until you defend the belt, you know, like you got the defending on there, so. I appreciate that. I got the defending against another former world champion, so that makes it a lot better for me, at least on my resume with the BKFC. that was a very big fight like it was a tough fight for me because personally myself i would have liked to seen Dodson and and and Strode fight since each of them had a belt at 125 i would have liked to see them you know confirm that and then give you either run back the Nate fight that was supposed to happen because Nate is healthy or bring in another one of those top contenders at 35 but you did fight John Dodson that's a big name a big MMA versus boxing and it wasn't the slugfest a lot of people thought but in many things it's two to tango and i'd never seen that John Dodson in the ring and it was it must have thrown you off yeah it definitely threw me off i mean i mean it great on his part though at least to do something different than what you expect going into something of course um but i i've said that bro to you pretty much about everybody who i've fought so far to be BKFC like i expect one thing and get something totally different like again um i watched when um matt you know matt and um and royal and royal reaver went at it and it was like you know one of the one of the best fights of the year so i'm thinking you know saying i was going to get him a diamond he was going to just be all action as well coming you know saying but after after like two rounds you know he changed his whole game plan on himself totally different um same thing same thing with michael larrymore and congrats for him and his recent victory but again you know he was all his victories came through uh you know first round you know first round stoppages and he was going you know saying letting all hell loose in his in his wins and that didn't happen you know when one went off when i faced against him so i i shouldn't be really surprised even how how the Dodson fight played out even though even still i thought that you know him being a champion and how he won his title and things that nature i thought that you it was going to just be letting the fist fly and flurries, but he turned into a boxer, man. You're in there. You're the only person in the ring. It's you and John, but you hear, listen, Feldman's like, oh, Feldman was very negative about the fight, and Feldman's like, throw, but you're a world champion. He was coming to the corner in between rounds to tell me, and I remember I tell him, I was like, I'm trying, but he keeps whatever, he keeps backfiring. Again, some of the blame, yeah, it is on me as well because again like i'm not going to sit there and say it's fully on John but at the same time it's like i can only fight with what i'm getting with what i'm giving in there you know and even even when i thought like you know i thought the referee would at least let us um you know maybe fight on the inside but like during the match i could hear him constantly like yelling at us like come on cut it out that you know break it up this so it was just a rough night were you prepared for his size that's the one thing that i mean you're not a giant man yourself but like in there against dots and i was like holy ---- like it's like a grown-up versus a child i mean he's a much smaller stature guy again i love him he's a fun guy to talk to and a lot of great things but was the size that threw you off too i think yeah it kind of did especially especially with him and respectfully with his um MMA background so of course he like he's already shorter but his stance he gets lower so that's a that's what it came through i think the first round when i went to the ground because again when he when he when he bull rushed me i wasn't you know saying i couldn't like you know get down to that level the way he was at, I had to make the adjustment over time but I absolutely um and again and I'm and I was in the back honestly I was in the back I was watching the card, if you really notice though a lot of the shorter guys were giving the taller guys problems that whole entire night if you really look at that if you really go back and look at the entire card from start to finish so I knew so I knew just watching when I was basically pre-gaming what I maybe had to deal with myself being that much taller over it's a real interesting sport because you can see a guy get really hurt we just watched this weekend I saw probably one of the scariest knockout that very first fight you know Baker versus Yari that was probably the scariest knockout and it's weird because you're in there and you know like hey I got to keep my hands up because one you know you get caught you're out but then and then everybody's yelling oh fight fight fight and and you want to stick to the game plan but you want to make it entertaining but Again, like, your health comes first. Absolutely. I mean, no disrespect to the BKFC, but I feel as if, like, because we've seen it. Like, of course, that's what they want. That's what they expect. But I also feel like once a guy gets knocked off, especially at the top level of the champion, it takes a while for them to get back to, you know what I'm saying, even in the title, you know, contention. So I feel like, yeah, entertainment value obviously comes first and everything. but again you do gotta look out for you you look at things like okay I go in here and I take I make one mistake who knows the next time i'll be back at the top level or they'll give you a rematch or a shot we've seen it a lot of guys for rematches um again my guy reber you know what i'm saying he's been he's been he's been the top level and but once he was knocked off it's like he's even now i feel like they they're putting him in a like a rebuilding stage where he had a very very entertaining fight over the weekend sure but like you and i will both know like okay will they give my man a shot you know so i want because i wouldn't mind giving him a shot like i said he's he's been all respectful and you know saying show love so like me i'm well i'm fighting i'll fight everybody but it's like i don't i don't make the fights you know so i don't make this i don't make the calls for the fights and i never picked any of my fights so far so again it's one of the things where you got to look out for yourself first one of my favorite things that i was watching you know like you celebrating and you got to celebrate a lot with your son how great was that oh that was very great again my son lives in a different state so it was good to just have him around and spend time with him so that was probably the um you know the best part of that week you know just just spending time with my son i think that's actually the first time in a long time both boxing and obviously the bkfc he actually even see me compete live you know so so it was it was just great just to have him around and you know um you'll probably see him a lot more um down the road and and you went to your favorite pizza place you know what i mean like and he got him a slice, yes, I went to that one down um Joe's Pizza um a lot of a lot of people go down to his lines wrapped around the um you know around the corner to get inside there just for a slice so it was it was good for him just uh you know even then spend time with him um my girlfriend's also so we just uh we just had we just made the um the best of that night um while we was spent time together now your girlfriend and you are two of the funniest people on Facebook i'm curious is she really want all these crazy exotic animals or is she just kind of busted that's her that's her that's her um she wants to buy um i'm like it's crazy we grew up together and i'm more of like a um urban i guess i say but like she's all for like you know getting a farm and I'm learning about new animals like miniature goats and nocturnal animals and so forth that she just looks up. She does her research. She'll do her research, but again, why am I just getting a cat or a dog? It's not enough for her. Next summer, you guys need to come out and I'll take you to the place I go that you can play with the otters and all the capybaras. I actually want an otter. But again, she'll do her research. like it takes a lot to it takes a lot to even take care of an otter their needs and this and so they're very needy but but she'll come out the next the very same day about a miniature monkey from west wherever those marmosets yeah yeah that's that's her that's how she is now again i work with a lot of animals my favorite part though is i i go to other people's places and work with them so that i don't have to take care of them or feed them like that is the way to go And you need to kind of, like, push her towards that. Go visit other people's animals, and then you don't have to take care of them. I might just go take her to the zoo. Start right there. Start there first, and then I'll look into what you're talking about. She definitely is big on animals. She's definitely big on animals. We'll take her to go catch some alligators. That would be good for her. I don't know. Maybe, maybe, maybe. All right. It looked like you came through that fight fairly unscathed, a little nicked up. But are you good to go if Dave was to say, hey, we got something big coming up right away like are you looking for a quick turnaround of course um i um even was like i don't care i don't have to be the main event put me on our tone put me on knuckle mania the next you know that's around the corner you know that's every at the beginning of every year so that's around the corner but but i i'm like if you look at just from okay i started in january we had three fights you just look at the schedule they put me on for this year I knocked them all out. I knocked them all out on my first contract. It was a three fight deal, so I'm pretty sure they're going to come to the table again and renegotiate. But, again, if you look at this, I'll probably be back in camp maybe sometime December. Who knows? So, again, I could be coming right back around the corner to another fight. It's just that, like, when you and I spoke earlier, like, okay, are they going to do something with a crazy twist? Who knows? it'll be interesting they haven't been to denver lately so you know like they i could see you verse strode out there in denver that'd be a big fight card like i just i don't know and and i'm hoping it is strode because strode's been through a lot he won the belt and people like kept you know are all over him that he didn't actually beat g he came out and absolutely put a thumping on g who's such a great guy but like it hurt to see like that giant hematoma yeah i i think you verse strode is a fun fight i don't think that he's gonna play it safe i mean we saw he seems the like to go out there and go for the kill so i think it'll be yeah i think again i think just based off the height it's a lot easier on me anyway to find them so i i just like you said though but you know him going like he doesn't play safe but for guys like me obviously i work off you know a lot of counter countering and what they say when the fighters open up that opens up the even then that opening can set up for a counter so i think it um it still plays my favorite but Again, yeah, I think it'll be exciting, but again, I'm just waiting to see what they want to do, waiting for the call, and more importantly, waiting to, you know, just get out of the table and work out another deal. Now, Strode's big thing is he's, you know, he wasn't an MMA guy. He's a boxer. How do you feel about his boxing pedigree versus your boxing pedigree going into this potential fight? Obviously, I was on a higher level. Of course, I respect him. I mean, he was a good amateur fighter in his own right, so I give him credit and respect. what he's done as a boxer, but again, that could be, it could also be another thing, though, where the powers that be could be upset how the matchup goes, because they may think it might turn into a boxing match, who knows, but again, like I said, I don't take no credit from them, away from them, just because I've been on maybe a higher level of boxing, but again, we're at the same level, if you look at it, within the BKFC, which is not boxing, so again, this could have been this could be his could have been his calling you know what i'm saying where he probably fares a lot better and then boxing so i don't think nothing from him um he's here for a reason and again he deserved like like we mentioned he um they they kind of you know try to downgrade him because of the first fight with g he came back with a chip on his shoulder obviously and he did what he did one of my favorite things about you i talk to a lot of BKFC fighters and i'll say like hey what'd you think of the card this weekend and they're like oh i didn't watch because blah unless i'm on the card or unless one of my buddies is on the card i don't care you are very knowledgeable like you and i were going back and forth before the card and you picked the winners and i think it's great that you're one of those knowledgeable fighters who actually cares about the sport he's involved yeah that's what i mean like i'm a um i'm a company guy like that's why i sometimes i don't understand like i get it even like um i'm not it's no secret like you know david can be frustrated with me but again i've never go out here and um you know try to, you know, put down the promotion, put down anybody within the BKFC. You know, and again, like, I love what they do. I love watching it as a fan first. Like I said, I'll tell you all the time, man, like, you know, I'm probably one of the main fighters on the roster that is pushing for my guy Bryce to finally get his shot. Like, I actually was watching a lot of his work throughout camp because he's so tall and how, you know, he has no choice but to deal with a lot of shorter guys. So I was really trying to pick a lot from, you know what I'm saying, just his game alone within this last camp. But, yeah, I'll watch a lot of the guys or the entire card from start to finish just to see, you know, you may never know. You might see somebody that's coming up that may be something big, you know, down the road, and it can be quick. Because, you know, like the BKFC, they maybe take about three, four fights and some of these unknown guys get up there and finally get their shot and become something big. I mean, respectfully, look at Kai. Kai didn't have, you know what I'm saying, the biggest background outside of the BKFC, but look what he's done since his first fight to where he's at now, respectfully. Now, Kai's got that Duran fight coming up, but is Kai still a fight that's on your radar that you'd like to maybe, you know, meet at 140 or, like, him come down maybe? Like, I mean, he's talked about going down. He's always talking. Like, Kai, if you see the stuff that Kai says, anytime I'm brought up Kai is the first guy that pops up in the comments but I don't take it I don't take it I actually take it as a sign of respect because again look where he's at in terms of defenses and you know being undefeated still things of nature so I look at it if you got a guy if you're on a guy's radar like that you know despite what you may feel about how he fights whatever he's still winning he's still going out there to win I think that's an honor so again yeah definitely like I was kind of i was kind of like i was waiting by the tv enough because waiting by the tv his last fight because he kept mentioning after this fight i'm going to 135 i'm going 135 so i'm thinking like yeah yes yes please please mention my name so we can put that out there for the company to pick up with and pick up and run with but um you know i think he mentioned at that time that he said something about um his health and i know how weight cuts could be if you don't you know do it the proper way so i was like man so i i was thinking to myself man maybe maybe maybe he's not gonna come down to 135 or or like you said meet at 40 or whatever and had that fight but then he popped up again um during the whole dawson um build up and said that um you know i should i should go down and beat up jamel i'm like yes please please come down please come down and um you know take take a crack at it but um yeah i do hope i do hope um we can make that fight uh again i know He said he wants to become a two-divisional belt holder simultaneously. So if he wants to come down at 135 and fight for the title there, I welcome it. If he wants to meet in the middle at 140, that's fine with me also. But it gives me also the opportunity to take his belt. So, yeah, I'm all for it, Kai. He's got an interesting fight because on that cruise ship, I believe I was told it's going to be the smaller ring, and he already smothered Duran very much in their first fight. fighting in that smaller ring where Duran's not going to be able to use kind of space and set up some of those big power shots, I feel like it's going to favor Kai very heavily. If you were to fight Kai, would you prefer it be in the big ring or the smaller ring? I could do either or, honestly. Obviously, you know, there's no sugarcoating the bigger ring obviously may fit my type of style, but I believe it's like, again, I feel like a smaller ring, though, will force me to fight more, which is cool to me, too, you know what I mean? Because it's nowhere to really go to. Like I said, I've seen it with Reaver in his fights down in Florida, of course. You know, they use a smaller ring, and that basically complements a lot with his game because it forces him a lot also to let his hands go, and that's why he comes up with these spectacular and great performances in his own right. So I just think that I could do either one because, honestly, I think the Larimore fight, the ring was actually a little bit smaller than when I made my debut with Gaiman, but again, you know what I'm saying, I still managed to, you know what I'm saying, maneuver in that ring as well, and get my shots off against Mike in that fight, so for me, like I said, with them, like I said, I don't have no say in what they do with the rings either way, so if I gotta fight in a smaller ring, I gotta fight in a smaller ring. I still gotta do what I do. That's why, honestly, in training camp, i actually prefer to spar in the smallest ring that we got out in california when i do when i go out there for training camp because we never know um you know what ring we'll get so we just get used to working in a smaller ring okay you finished your first contract with BKFC overall how would you rate your performance your your your experience i mean what what kind of grade would you give yourself i i know you have very high expectations your opponents like i said they they've been a little dodgy and and stuff that we're not used to but how would you rate yourself overall for you for your first round um a b a b or b minus honestly god i think there's still more i could i could do i could especially my last fight um there's there's definitely um i mean like i said a passing grade but i feel like there's there's still more that i could i could have got out of myself um i was highly now again i was actually highly disappointed with my last fight in terms of um how it played out of course i'm not gonna you know it's always great to get to win but again i was actually looking for that that that big moment and i thought i had respectfully to Dawson, John's a good guy but i thought i had that the right dance part of the really like again really built a lot of excitement and action and so so it kind of threw me off how it was playing out and i knew by the third round that's when i said okay i can't sit back and wait he's not coming i gotta go i gotta go try to get him and try to try to make it into a fight that's when David was like, you know, like, cool, I'm going to have to go out there and try to – and then, like I said, again, even when I did the whole thing with the clip, the pat on the head referee, if you watch, he was still on the back foot, and I was going to – I was going to get him. I'm like, man, like, he's not making it any – I'm like, again, he's not supposed to, but he's not making it any easier. I'm like – and, again, I'm a type of guy, I respect the fans first also, so I'm hearing, like, you know, it was getting – it wasn't working in our favor With the crowd, I'm like, we got to pick this up, man. So, again, going back to what you asked, I give myself just a B- Hopefully, the next year brings, you know, again, more excitement. Again, me and John actually spoke, and he did tell me, though, he said to me after the hand-to-hand with Strode that he wants to run it back. So, who knows? Who knows? And honestly, personally, truth be told, I feel like a lot of people, So even within, you know, because, again, I spoke with the guys, you know, during the meeting, a lot of back and forth with who they were going with in that fight. So I know there was a lot of guys at the top that really thought he could win or wanted him to win. So I won't be surprised if they throw him back in there again for a rematch. The head tap was hysterical. Was it more like you're acknowledging him? Was it more like you stay over there? Like what was that about? No, it was more like I'm acknowledging him, and I have been in full control of what's going on right now. Because if you go back even with the Diamond fight, I did it in that fight as well. I've done it in boxing before, so when people was like, oh, you should just qualify, I'm like, I've done this. It's not the first time I've actually done it. That's actually the first time a referee got upset with me for doing it, but it's not the first time I've done it. But I was basically acknowledging that the crowd was losing, was upset, and I'm like, okay, man, we got to pick this up. So I'm like, all right, I'm in control. Let's work, let's work, let's work. he just he just kept stayed on the back foot did he have anything to say after the fight about it or like he let it blow off after oh no no he was definitely upset he was actually on the same flight he's actually on his he actually lives out here i did not know he we live in the same town but he was like i think he was more upset because the next morning i was even going to because how viral like that went like it just went like i didn't think it was going to pick up that much steam and like everyone picked it up and it's just i guess now he has to go for a viral moment on like basically on the wrong side of it so i think he was more upset with that but i thought it was great when they were like one marine patting the other marine on the head you know what i mean it was it was some some brotherly bonding right there but again like if he's watching i i apologize about offending you a fellow fellow brother marine but again it wasn't meant it wasn't meant out of like disrespect i was just trying to have i was having fun like i was like i said i love being in that type of environment so i was just having fun it wasn't like trying to downplay him or like little bro him like no i was having fun you were supposed to originally be on the first new jersey card they got you on this one how excited were you to finally be able to fight semi close to home and all your people were there it was good it was it was good it was a good feeling and it was just funny though like how it played out like i was supposed to like again make my debut in new jersey and then i end up um you know so basically a year later headlining on you know saying in the same in the same venue so it definitely was great just to just to finally get that New Jersey experience with the BKFC, especially being so close to home, and definitely was great that friends and family came out. I just wish I could have gave them a better night. But I know them speaking with my management, I know my managers said that they're going to try to pretty much make that to a home venue for me until they break into the New York market. So it won't be the last time I'll be in New Jersey from what I was told. All right. Halloween's coming up. You're a father. I'm a father. We have the dad tax. What candy do you steal from your kids? Oh, I'm going for the Snickers and the Reese's. That's just me. They can keep the candy corn and all that stuff, but I'm going for the chocolate. I'm going for the chocolate. Do you enjoy dressing up with the kids or, like, you're too old for that? I'm a big kid. I'm a big kid, bro. I'm a big kid. My girl is probably more of a bigger kid than me, but, like, that's just who we are. But, again, it just creates great experiences with your kids over the years. Like, you know, my dad, we did this together, or we dressed up like this, and we had a blast. So, again, sometimes you've got to just, you know, learn just to enjoy life a little more and just create fun experiences. Were you excited that you were able to finish your contract before something like Thanksgiving comes up? so you can eat with the family? Because I've talked to many fighters, and there is nothing worse than cutting weight during Thanksgiving. Oh, man, I mean, you got to think about it. Last year, see, even now, I'm kind of like, what's going to happen in, let's say, a month from now? Because, you know, last year, when I was getting ready for Gardner, I was training throughout Christmas, so I missed Christmas last year. But, again, it's good, though, at least I can be home for Thanksgiving, obviously. And, obviously, that doesn't really bother me, because i look at like you know the bigger picture down the road like you make you make sacrifices and you can always make up you can always you know make up for thanksgiving dinner whatever this and that so for me it doesn't really bother me i get again only thing i can say for me it just takes away me obviously to spend time with family that's all i can but like terms like you know cutting weight and eating um that doesn't bother me all right with this fall coming up is there anything you're looking forward to like you do have a little bit of time off and you have anything big planned this fall um i know i know that um i'm just really just just handling business outside i'm outside the ring i'm spending time with the family i i do plan on but i do plan on getting to some of these BKFC events as a fan just to um you know just to enjoy the atmosphere from from the outside obviously and you know so i think i think i'm looking at the cards in December, early December to go out to in Pennsylvania just to show support to the guys out there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Kai and Durant do as well when that comes up. I'm kind of upset though I haven't got a formal invite for the BKFC to go on the cruise, so I have to talk to somebody about that eventually before it's too late. But yeah, for the most part, I'm going to just spend time on recovery. Well, I'm telling you right now, I'm good now. But just mentally, without worrying about training and stuff like that, I'm just going to spend time with the family and have fun. But still, I'm tuning into everything that's going on around the sport. Even, like I said, I was tuned in as well with the other promotional brand as well because my trainer had a fighter on that card. So, again, I'm just a fan of the bare knuckles overall, so I'm just watching everything that moves. And you never know who can jump from one platform to the other anyway. So I'm looking at guys over there that are around my weight as well. So who knows? It is weird because, you know, like, I don't follow it super close, but I certainly know people in the thing. And I heard, oh, this champion is getting kind of sick of over there. They're thinking about coming here. So it'll be very interesting. And like I said, I have nothing but respect for the fighters. You know what I mean? And I love to support the fighters. And I have friends who are on that promotion too. So like I said, I'm really curious to see what happens going down the line. Yeah, honestly, I think, you know, and I respect that. I think the one guy that I can honestly admit that probably gave me some problems in the ring was obviously, you know, it's a Cuban Flash, but, you know, he had his little issue with the BKFC, so doubt that ever happens under that banner, you know, under that banner. But I give, you know, send those guys the respect. And just like you, I don't follow it as much, obviously, you know, but I still, you know, tune in see who's making noise everywhere and so forth any chance you put on any weight so you can enter that world's baddest man tournament oh man i'm waiting i'm waiting for them i'm waiting for them to um to to to announce us us guys get our opportunity but oh man like oh not like i probably i probably put the weight on but respect the guys like my like like dudes like lorenzo and guys like he's the juggernaut for a reason man like he has no fear he like one thing about like him like he's a guy that's definitely the company is obviously behind because we've seen he has been he has gotten hurt in plenty of fights but he still continues to push forward and he ends it he ends up with something with something big and crazy so i'll let those guys have had their moment hopefully uh us smaller guys we will eventually get ours but until then i'm just enjoying taking the fights that they give me now one by one and enjoying watching the guys um around around the promotional um band um you know company as well well i look forward to sending you a message saying like hey i heard you're fighting like people don't know like i i knew about your fight prior to you knowing about your fight like i'm a news guy for you yeah like it was crazy i told you bro like i like for me it was like i didn't even know i was fighting Dotson until it Until I got literally a text message from Nate over there, and he was just like, hey, where should I send your next contract to? I'm like, okay, you can send it to my manager. He can look it over or whatever. You can send it to him. I don't mind. And then when I got the copy of the contract, it just said Dotson. I asked him, do you have any idea who's next? He didn't respond. I found out, I'm like, well, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Gator did bring this up. Like, he did mention this. So I wasn't, like, fully surprised. I was like, wow. But I was more, like, surprised. Like, wow, he was actually right on the money. Like, he called it, you know, when they said, hey, the winner between, you know, Strode and G, they'll get the winner between. I'm like, yeah, he was actually very accurate in terms of what, like, literally played out. and you knew about like even g's g's fight before it even got officially announced for the rematch and and you knew the whole play out what was happening so credit to that man credit to that that's why i actually think we'll talk more i was gonna assume like i have no idea what's next you'll you'll know before i know it's it's weird because i do know and it's weird because at one point UFC said look you know lots of stuff we don't want you ruining it but we're willing to tell you lots of stuff so that you can line up interviews before and i was like that would be awesome i was like yeah but you know like people love ariel and dave goes on ariel but ariel's big thing was he was breaking news about ufc before and and like i could be that guy but i i don't want to i want to be cool with the company and stuff but i i hear lots of stuff and then i start kind of like lining stuff up and it would just be way easier if it was like how they they offer to do it at one point but if i hear like hey jamelle's got a big fight coming up i i mean i i asked you i said hey any fight news you said no and i said well this is what i'm hearing and what i heard was a hundred percent very on point and even fights that i wouldn't even bother with just the guys they were lining up you know to get to me at the time so i'm like yeah it was on point i'm like i appreciate the alley-oop bro but i really do because again i like okay now i can start you know at least doing some studying or start looking you know so mentally preparing myself okay this is what i'm dealing with this is like i work because again that's coming up from two years just came out of nowhere would have been i would never seen that coming out of i'll say a mile away i was just thinking like i didn't even know like i said again did they um even close down the division until you and i spoke i'm like wait why are they talking about g and these guys and these guys you know fly weights oh no they're they're they're getting they're getting away from that this net like so i don't even look at the point bro i don't even look at the rankings anymore on the on the site i don't like i'll see like i said i've seen you know um you know joy boy be number one contender at the you know saying at the vacated i've seen i've seen i've seen you know saying like reaver be the guy but then none of those like dots i didn't see dots in the org or it just happened but it happened to be the guys next in line all right sir do you have any message anything you want to get out there sponsors thank out or thanks and to anybody before we call it a No, I just appreciate you having me on, bro. Like I said, it was good to speak with you. I know you were telling me you were dealing with some of your own suffering. I saw a whole bunch of things going well for you. Again, I just look forward to seeing you with the next call, and hopefully it's not in Denver, to be honest with you. Like, hopefully not. Like, no altitude No, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, I've been there for Olympic training camp, so I know how it could be. And then, like, the BKFC season, respectfully, you know you're only you're only they only fly you in for like three days max it's like you you cannot you cannot get adjusted with that you know saying elevation in in a few days like to me it would always take me about literally like a couple of weeks but it's their call what they're going to do but again i don't i mean respectfully you know being a champion i don't know see why they would but again they you see what they did with um um Dave Mundell and his last title defense, he went over as a champion, you know, on enemy territory, so it's not a surprise, wouldn't be a surprise Alright sir, well thank you so much I look forward, and I appreciate you being so active on the Reddit, like the fans love being able to chat with you and you answering questions, you're a peach. Oh yeah, I love it, every time I get one of your notifications, I'm like, let me tell him what's going on, because again, it might be some breaking news that I did not hear about or know about, and I'm like, oh okay, this is happening, even if it's not my own fight information, I just like going on and see what the fans want. That's what, again, yeah, you guys on there are great because you guys give me an idea of what the fans are expecting and what they want to see. So I always say I'm not one of the type of guys like you know, **** the fans, I don't care about whatever, how they feel. No, I actually do care about how the fans feel and what they want to see and what they expect from me. So I don't take it to heart. Even if it was something negative, I don't take it to heart. Okay, maybe I can change their perspective as time goes on. Maybe there will come a change. Alright, Jamel, thank you so much for your time and I appreciate it and we'll talk to you soon. Appreciate you, bro. Bye.