Why is a 10A motor sometimes protected with an OLR setting of only 5.8A?
In this practical electrical training video, you will learn the correct logic behind Thermal Overload Relay (OLR) setting in a Star-Delta Starter.
A common question among electricians is: If the motor rated current is 10A, should the overload relay be set to 10A or 5.8A?
The correct answer depends on where the overload relay is electrically connected and which current the OLR is actually sensing.
⚡ IMPORTANT: Do not decide the overload relay setting only by looking at where the OLR is physically mounted.
An OLR may appear below the Main Contactor, but depending on the Star-Delta wiring arrangement, it may still be sensing the motor winding current instead of the complete line current.
Always trace the electrical current path and understand which current is passing through the overload relay.
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In this video you will learn:
✅ What is Motor Full Load Current (FLC)? ✅ How to select OLR setting for a motor ✅ Why a 10A motor may use a 5.8A OLR setting ✅ OLR setting in Star-Delta Starter ✅ Line current vs Phase / Winding current ✅ Why √3 is used in Star-Delta calculations ✅ 0.58 × Motor Current rule explained ✅ OLR in full line current path ✅ OLR in inside-delta connection ✅ How OLR position changes the required setting ✅ Main Contactor and OLR connection logic ✅ How to identify the current passing through an OLR ✅ Common mistakes while setting a thermal overload relay ✅ Practical OLR setting for electricians and technicians ══════⊹⊱≼≽⊰⊹═════════⊹⊱≼≽⊰⊹══════
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This video provides a technical guide on setting overload relays for electric motors, focusing on the distinctions between direct-on-line (DOL) and star-delta starters. It explains how to calculate current settings based on relay placement and how to select the appropriate relay class to prevent nuisance tripping during the high-current startup phase.
Friends, you will be asked a question in the interview
It will be stated that you have a motor.
The current rating of that motor is 10 amperes.
And you will be told that the overload relay, which is this
There can be two settings in an overload relay; the first setting
No more, no less.的一种设置,这个设置在哪里?
How will you do it, and why are you setting it up that way?
Hey, tell me this—so many people here give this answer
When the main motor is operated, it draws a current of 10 amperes.
So, the setting we will configure will also be our 10 ampere setting.
We cannot set it this low.
But it is precisely there that they fail.
Because this overload relay also has such a condition
Where you will need to set this up
Even though the motor is not drawing 10 amperes of current
And you will also receive proper protection in it.
How do we set this up? Let's go ahead then.
We will explain it in full detail, step by step.
First of all, understand this: whenever you need to set the motor
So, on the motor's nameplate, you need to look for the amperes.
What is written in front of Empire
52 amperes, as written here
According to this, you
This is where the setting should be done.
What is in the starter is our current one.
The current goes through this MCB.
The motor will go through the entire overload relay.
Now, if we need to set it up here
So, what will happen in this condition?
The current flowing here goes to the motor.
It will all pass through this overload relay.
So if it says 52 amperes on our motor
So the setting we will make here will also be our 52 ampere.
I mean, we set the FLC to 100% here.
You can set it to 95% here, or alternatively, you can set it to 90% as well.
If you are watching the motor at the time it is being run
The current here is much lower than the current that exists.
Then, when you set this up
Otherwise, you'd have to set it to 100% here.
Now, if you connect this motor here in star
You are running it through the delta starter.
So you see, the overload relay that is there
It is mounted below the main contactor.
If you install the overload relay below the main contactor, won't you?
It is here that the story changes.
And the question that was asked to you during the interview
It is related to this as well.
How do I explain it?
First of all, please understand this
that motor we have here
At the time to start this motor
When we start it at the beginning
First of all, our star contactor gets turned on.
And as soon as it is switched on, our main contactor turns on.
And if the motor runs in our star connection
In this condition, the power supply will go from the MCB to our main contactor.
And from the main contactor to the overload relay
And the power supply will go from the overload relay to our motor.
On this side, our motor, which is connected in star configuration
So due to connecting in Star, the whole
The current will go through this overload relay.
So, in this condition, what will our setting here be?
FLC's 100%, but that's where the story changes
You know that in a star-delta starter, the motor remains in the star connection only until
we keep it engaged until our motor reaches 70-80% rpm
As soon as the motor reaches 80%, we star here
The delta contactor must be turned on after turning off the contactor.
And as soon as you switch on the delta contactor
So, the current that exists will also flow from here.
And flow will also go from here.
I mean, in this motor, the terminals U1, V1, W1 located here
The power supply will pass through this overload relay.
But the other side of this motor, which is U2, V2, and W2
In this side, the power supply comes through the power supply delta contactor.
I mean, the one winding of our motor
Phase must also be assigned to this winding here.
A phase must also be provided here
If we give the R phase here
Here we need to provide the Y phase
I mean, this winding requires 415 volts of power.
So a power supply is right here
through the main contactor
The power supply will be turned off due to overload.
The second one has directly come here
I mean, if you're here at this place
You'll connect the clamp meter here.
If you're measuring, know that
10 amperes to run this motor
Current is flowing through it.
In the condition where you are here
It is currently running in delta here.
will be measured here at that time
When you do it, you will get only 5.8 amperes here. 5.8
Where does ampere come from? It's a simple calculation. What do you need to do?
Multiply this current, which is your main current here, by root 3 here.
Divide by the square root of 3
What will happen with 10 divided by
1.732 and divide it
If you do it, the answer will be here.
5.8 amperes will be obtained
So this 5.8 ampere
That current is here to see you right here
It gets current if from this place
The flow is only 5.8 amperes.
So in this condition
The setting of your overload relay is also here.
Only 5.8 amperes will be required
I mean, the FLC written on your motor's nameplate
You have to divide it by root 3.
And after dividing by root 3, the answer that will come
You have to set it in this overload relay.
Now, in some overload relays, you'll notice that the overload relay is not
We also connect it at the delta point if such a connection is made.
will go, then even in this condition, our overload relay here in this
The setting will also be divided here by root 3.
I mean, if you multiply 58% root 3 here by the FLC, then
It will have to be done now, friends, right here
You will surely have a doubt in your mind.
The doubt is that if we
At the time of starting this motor
When turning on, at the time of turning on
We have seen that our presence here
Star contactor is happening
And main with star contactor
The contactor is operating, and at this moment
What is the total current flowing here?
I mean the 100% current one that exists
Flow is coming from here
So if I am in this overload relay
The setting here is
I will pay only 58% tax
So is our overload relay here
Will it happen, yes or no?
And yes, then why? Otherwise, then why?
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So where should it be placed? Let's see, if you're a star
When making a star delta starter, use a star delta starter.
Do not install the overload relay below the main contactor.
Nor should you place it below the delta connector here.
Because if your main contactor is located here below
What will happen here under these conditions? We'll have to lower the setting.
plus some current will flow from this side
We do not receive protection from this side.
The second thing, if we connect this overload relay here in delta
So in the star connection, when the motor runs
So at that time, we do not receive protection.
The best way would be for your overload relay
Connect this overload relay in the main circuit here.
I mean, the power supply will go to your overload relay first.
Then the power supply comes from there to your place.
The main contractor
And from there, loop the power
will be given to Delta Contractor
The benefit will be that our motor, regardless of
Go to star or go to delta
In both conditions, the current that we have
It will pass through this overload relay.
And in this overload relay, we have
It needs to be set at 100%.
I mean the FLC of the motor itself
Here we will set it up.
Now, the question we had was
If we install an overload relay here
Under the delta contactor
Or down below the main contactor
So, will we get protection at the start?
Or when our overload relay
We will reduce the setting.
When the flow hits, it will be 100% star
In connection with this condition, what is it?
Our overload relay will trip.
So the answer is no, because the one that is ours
is the overload relay
There is a class, as you will see.
Here it is written CL10 on this overload relay.
Yes, this means class 10 overload relay for you
Moseley comes in three types, three classes.
The first class will be Class Ten, the second one
Class 20 and the third one is Class 30
There will be three different classes here now.
What is this class? What does it mean? And
Let us understand why it becomes necessary to use this.
You see, our overload relay, you know, this overload
How quickly will we get protection from the relay?
Take the load, suppose you have in this overload relay
Current setting of 10 amperes has been made
So, when a current of 10A flows, how quickly will your overload relay trip?
You'll have to look at the class to see him tripping.
The current rating of each overload relay
Six times what you have set
I mean, in the setting you have here
Make sure you have set it to 10A
Multiply by 6 the value of that setting.
Meaning, multiply by 6
So what will the answer be?
60 amperes
According to this
If Malo is using this overload relay
Suddenly, the current flow of 60 amperes started.
While you have set it only at 10 amperes
So if your overload relay is the one
If he is a Class 10 student here
So in this condition, your overload relay
Whatever it is will trip here within 10 seconds.
Meaning that after 10 seconds of starting
The motor that is here is going to be shut down.
Similarly, if you set the same setting here to 10 amperes
And you used the overload relay here, the Class 20 type.
So if the current through your overload relay increases sixfold
Six times the current if your start begins to flow
So, your overload relay, which will trip in the minimum time
It takes 20 seconds
Tripping will occur here within 20 seconds in class 20.
What happens in class 30?
It takes 30 seconds here.
Now understand this one thing: if your current one is
If the current increases, then the time will decrease accordingly.
And this very current, if from your overload relay, current
The flow is ongoing; if it decreases, then your tripping time, which is
And it will increase even more. Now, let's get to our question—the question is this
We will start it, we will turn on the motor
So there is also starting current, so starting
How much will it be in this start connection?
Three to four times, so if we take four
How much would it be even if taken at 40 amperes?
And suppose that here you have class
You have installed the 10A overload relay.
So, the overload relay for class 10
10 seconds to trip
It will take place, but when will the trip happen in 10 seconds here with this current?
What if it becomes six times what it is?
It will be if the current here, which is 10 amperes, is multiplied by 6.
It is 60 amperes of current; if the current flows, then 10
It will trip in the second, but right now how much current is flowing?
Only here 40 ampere
I mean our overload relay
Anything that takes more than 10 seconds
Going crazy and we know it
when we turn on the Star Delta Starter
At the time of turning on
In Star Connection, the motor runs only for 5 to 7 seconds.
Or suppose it takes 10 seconds for it to operate.
Meaning that the motor reaches up to 80-90% of its RPM
It takes you about 8-9 seconds for something
So in this much time, your overload relay
It won't be possible to operate here.
By then, your motor will have been running in delta configuration.
Meaning, the current here will decrease.
Now, another question should arise in your mind here.
the overload relay that is for the remaining class
We've already understood the 10th class ones.
After that, where should we use the 20-year-old and the 30-year-old ones?
So, tell me, how much time does it take to start your motor?
How long does your current start last?
According to him, you have to select your class.
For example, suppose your
motor at the time to start the motor
The current that is present lasts only for 5-6 seconds.
So you're here for the Class 10 one
For what purpose will you use the overload relay?
For 5-6 seconds
After that, the one belonging to class 20
We use it when
When our motor or machine
The starting current is here.
It is around 15 seconds, 16 seconds
I mean, our overload relay should not trip during starting.
We have to increase the time for it, so we take class 20.
In the same way, you start the motor by turning on the machine.
The current that is yours lasts up to 20 seconds, 22 seconds, 25 seconds
So for 20, 22 seconds you have here the Class 30 one
An overload relay of class 30 will have to be used here.
So, I hope you've now understood this through this video
How much setting do we need to do in an overload relay?
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