5 Things You Should Take Away From This UFO Interview

Different species of aliens have been reported to him to be having fights in the skies above Earth. This is all beyond batshit crazy. That was mathematician Eric Weinstein describing David Grush's claims. And Weinstein is one of the few public figures who knows David Grush personally. Weinstein made these comments on the Diary of a CEO with Stephen Bartlett. and Weinstein is a Harvard-trained mathematician and the former managing director of Thiel Capital, run by Peter Thiel. He is also someone who moves in the same circles as people at the center of UFO disclosure. In this interview, he vouched for Grush as a witness, and he described the most hidden class of government secrecy and claims that some of these programs exist with aliens as their stated purpose. He even offered to make a bet that the El Paso airspace shutdown earlier this year had nothing to do with cartel drones. Hey ufologists, I'm Christina Gomez and this is your UFO News Update. About 34 minutes into the interview, Weinstein raises UFOs himself. He asked Steven whether he had seen Grush's September 30th appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience and had him even look it up. Stephen wrote out a pretty polished summary of that interview, and Weinstein rejected it as too clean and then gave his own version. He described Grush being inside a SCIF, a sensitive compartmented information facility, where he was allegedly told that people were weighing whether to kill him. He brought up giant underwater bases, he described accounts of U.S. forces firing on large reptilian beings that had killed American service members, along with the idea that some non-human groups are hostile while others are not. Weinstein called the claims wild beyond belief, and he didn't dismiss the man making them. I know David. He's a pretty sober guy, has a nearly eidetic memory. He's very spectrum-y. He's highly consistent year to year. Exactly the same stories. Eidetic memory means close to photographic recall. Weinstein added that Grush tells the same stories, in the same way, year after year. However, consistency is not proof, and Weinstein appears to know that. As reported by the International Business Times, Grush made clear on Rogan that he never personally saw the reptilian beings. Those accounts came from people he spoke with. Weinstein wasn't vouching for stories, he was vouching for the witness. So what does Weinstein believe is going on? He explained it with an image. I would analogize it to there's a giant lump under the rug, and it's moving, and it looks biological. And somebody says, I think there's a being under the rug. I don't know what kind of being, but it's hard to ignore the fact that the rug is moving and there is a giant lump. And somebody else says, I see no evidence of a lump. The first person says, oh yeah, no, it's aliens. The other person says, there's nothing there. Now, I'm listening to the two of them and saying, I have no idea what either of you are talking about. There is a lump, and you guys are having a conversation about is there or isn't there. Weinstein places himself between the two of them He holds no belief that aliens exist And no belief that they do not But what he will not accept is anyone acting as if the lump isn't there When he described what the lump might be He addressed the levels of government secrecy A special access program, or SAP Protects the government's most sensitive work An unacknowledged SAP is one the government will not admit exists A waived, unacknowledged program is excused from normal reporting to Congress. At the top, each program keeps a bigot list, the short list of names allowed to know about it. I claim the only thing that I know is that we have UAPs involving unacknowledged special access programs that are about aliens. Now, whether it's about faking aliens and we have giant paper mache spacecraft, or whether these are actual craft, or whether these are cover for things that we're designing at Northrop, I don't know. But pretending that this isn't interesting is insane. He then offered a third option. The alien label could be cover for aircraft under development at defense contractors like Northrop. His one firm claim, then, is not that aliens are here. It's that these programs exist on paper with aliens as the reason given for them. That claim matches the record. In November of 2024, testimony to the House Oversight Committee, journalist Michael Schellenberger argued that a White House loophole for waived programs that are not covert actions let UAP programs avoid full reporting to Congress. On September 14th of this year, the Department of War issued a waiver allowing current and former personnel to share UAP information with PURSUE alone, the Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters. The waiver lifts the civil and administrative penalties in their non-disclosure agreements and their special access program indoctrination agreements, but only for disclosure made to the PURSUE office. The Pentagon has now built a legal path around the same agreements that Weinstein described, but this is also nothing new. This took place in 2023 with AARO, where people could speak to AARO on these issues and not have to deal with their NDAs, and now Pursue is being involved in that as well. Weinstein gave three possibilities for these types of programs, that they hold real craft, They stage fake ones, or they use an alien story to hide our own advanced aircraft. Which one fits what you've seen so far? You tell me. Stephen argued that decades of sightings and crop circles led nowhere, so people tune out the subject. Weinstein answered with an event from this year, however. On February 10th, the Federal Aviation Administration closed the airspace over El Paso, Texas and part of southern New Mexico for 10 days, citing national defense The closure was lifted the next morning Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy blamed a drone cartel incursion Other reports point to the Pentagon's own drones, a laser counter drone system, and possibly even balloons but Weinstein accepts none of those. I believe that it's one of two things. Either we've lost control of our airspace and there's something flying around which is completely insane. Which could be cartel drones? Darling, no. It's not cartel drones. I'll put money on it. If you want I would love to take some of that sweet Diary of a CEO, Cash away from you. You seem like you're doing very well. I don't believe it's cartel drones. Okay. By the way, it's not that the cartels don't have drones. It's just That's a cover story. His first theory is a red team, blue team test, where part of the government files a secret drone capability to see how the rest react. His second is that the objects belong to someone that we do not know about, whether another country, a non-state group, or non-human actors. The El Paso closure sits about 30 miles from White Sands Missile Range, the largest overland weapons systems test range in the United States. Stephen also asked whether non-human intelligence may already be among us. Weinstein answered with physics. He believes humans will eventually leave the solar system, and if we get out, he sees no reason others couldn't be here. In his view, only a stricter version of Einstein's speed limit than most physicists accept would rule out visitors. He went as far as calling it insane to think that no one is visiting us. and that sounds like it clashes with his earlier neutral position but he draws a line between the two physics tells him visits are possible the secret programs are a separate question and one that he wants answered with evidence when people like David Grusch, Ryan Graves, Chris Mellon and Gary Nolan describe what is under the rug do you think they are seeing the real thing or a managed version of it. Weinstein's comments trace back to David Grush's interview on the Joe Rogan experience. And you can watch this video next to get a full breakdown on that. I'm Christiana Gomez. That is it for today. I will see you again next time for another UFO News update. Be safe and remember, keep your eyes on the skies.