CJP's Flash Protest At Jantar Mantar Sparks Political Firestorm In Delhi As Tension Escalates

Welcome, you're watching the Urban Debate where Kofro Janata Party leaders like Saurav Das and Ashutosh Rangka who have been now sent to five-day judicial custody and have been lodged in the Tihar Jail hours after being placed under preventive arrest. Saurav Das has been lodged in Tihar Jail No. 2 and Ashutosh Rangka has been lodged in Jail No. 4. Now, this follows a major standoff at Jantar Mantar after the location was officially denotified as a designated protest site. Despite the ban on political gatherings at the venue, the CJP leaders staged a protest, a flash protest on the grounds, triggering immediate police action and detentions and also FIR invoking criminal trespass and disobedience of the orders. Five-day jail for Saurav Das and Ashutosh Ranka where the police claimed that there has been a breach of the peace bond that both of them signed and the CJP leaders who disturbed the peace of a public place and accused of mobilized protesters. Both had to plead to avoid such activity and within a week of signing the peace bond. Well, it has been violated, according to the Delhi police that pressed heavy charges in court, citing a severe bond breach. And also the police have alleged that both leaders actively mobilized protesters, disturbed public peace and violated prior pledges to avoid any such activity. The defense, however, pushed back sharply, representing the CJP advocate, accused the police of misleading the court, stating that the leaders were sent to custody solely on the presumption that the police said that they can commit a crime. However, but no public announcements were made of such. that the officer who molested a female journalist is being charged against a police officer. Why wasn't he arrested? Why wasn't there any action against those goons who are beating women on the road? Those people who are openly committing crimes on the road, and, okay, I don't want to take anyone's name, but the people who are openly committing crimes and roaming on the road, there is no action against them. Meanwhile, the third co-accused, Ajinkya Shinde, has been granted bail after furnishing five thousand rupee bond alongside one year undertaking to maintain public peace. So Saurav Das and Ashutosh Ranka, however, that they have remained in the Tihar jail as far as this custodial, the judicial custody is concerned. And when it comes to the political fallout, where the CJP leader and founder, Abhijit Dipke, who's now hit out of the government and the police, where he's claiming that their only fault was displaying the tricolour at Jantar Mantar and it is not a crime. He says that the government is determined to crush dissent and it should have the courage to officially declare an emergency instead of resorting to what he called as cowardly tactics. On the other side, Lok Sabha LOP, Rahul Gandhi, who has also weighed in on the Jantar Mantar flash stir, where he has extended solidarity with those raising their voices, while Rahul Gandhi has not named CJP or their leaders who have been sent to judicial custody. However, he has strongly criticized the action, saying that waving tricolour at Jantar Mantar does not amount to a crime and jailing youth for this act is an act of cowardice. He says that students, youth, journalists are united in this one cause and the citizens are demanding for their constitutional rights. Also, he has asserted that Jantar Mantar belongs to the people of India. The voices in the opposition are also backing the CJP. The question being raised is simple. Is waving a tricolour at Jantar Mantar a breach of peace? Opposition leaders are questioning how many young voices will be silenced, calling the preventive arrest to be bizarre and accusing the BJP of acting as ECI's mouthpiece. They say that the fight is over the right to dissent in asserting that India will be reclaimed from those who accuse of misusing power. The economic situation of the United States, especially the economic situation, is very bad. The level of the Prime Minister has increased in the minds of the people. His image was completely destroyed. So the same situation was in 1975 during the emergency. Today, the arrests have begun in the same way. Now they will start arresting big politicians. No party should think, no politician should think that his number will not come. The government of the country is scared because they say that the parrot has its owner's life. In this way, why is Gyanesh Kumar being protected by the entire troll army of the Indian People's Party, the leaders of the Indian People's Party, why is he not protecting Gyanesh Kumar? Why has he become the leader of the election committee? This is not a matter of any political party. This preventive arrest is bizarre. What is the complaint? Trespassing by the JDU. Nitish Ji is somebody who came out of the student movements. He is somebody who was part of the JP Andolan He is a Ram Manohar Lohiaite. Does he support this trespass affair against young people trying to wave the Tiranga? Yes, at Jantar Mantar, if he does, it's truly a sad day for the JDU and even sadder day for Indian democracy. Well, the BJP meanwhile has hit out at the CJP, calling it to be Aam Aadmi Party's B-team. The scathing attack that is coming in from Delhi Chief Minister Rekha Gupta, asking the CJP that why not visit Punjab and take cognizance of the matters that have been prevailing in the state. Now, because of this drug, the murder that took place yesterday, should the BJP go to Punjab to protest? Why does the Aam Aadmi Party act as a B-Party and work only on the same political agenda that the Aam Aadmi Party conveys to them? Let's open this up and introduce Anuja Kapoor from the BJP joining us here on the open debate. We have Abni Bansal from the Congress Party as well, Rajiv Chaudhary from the Aam Aadmi Party, Ashutosh Sivasivji who is a lawyer and Harish Mohammed Ibrahim who is also a political analyst. Thank you very much all of you for taking out your time I want to understand from you Rajivji what all has happened and transpired at Jantar Mantar which has now led to 5 days of judicial custody of Saurav and also of Ashutosh. What does it really exactly what had happened on part of the actions that has been undertaken by the Delhi police does it actually amount to breach of peace? This is absolute collapse of democracy the government is so scared of the students protesting over there that they are not allowing people to go there with tricolors and what was the fault of Ashutosh Ranka and Saurav Das who went there at the Jantar Mantar they just went there with tricolors is flagging a tricolor at Jantar Mantar an offense we have seen many videos which are being circulated on the social media there have been people betrayed by the government who have been beating females, beating students over there. They have not been yet arrested. On the other side, the CJP, Saurav Das, Ashutosh Ranka, they were arrested. They were sent for five-day custody in jail. What was their fault? They were just demanding a free and fair election. They were just demanding answerability from the election commission. They were just answering certain doubts which were raised by the Indian Express reporter. And till date, the election commission has not been able to come forward and address a single press conference on this issue election commission in the supreme court said that this form 6 was brought into the notice of supreme court and it was approved by supreme court which was later found out to be untrue supreme court itself said that this form 6 was never brought into our notice we never considered this form 6 notice we never approved this form 6 notice What else proof do we need for this now? And when it was caught red-handed, the election commission was caught red-handed, now they have changed certain rules, now they are relaxed, now they are saying that we will remove the declaration from form 6. What does that mean? This clearly says that election commission, with the help of the central government, was actually trying to manipulate the voter list. And once the voter list was manipulated, we have seen the results which came out. Take the classic example of West Bengal. 91 lakh people were disqualified from voting. Out of those 91 lakhs, 28 lakhs people approached the tribunal. And out of those 28 lakhs, the hearing for 1,13,000 people was conducted and 93% people were found eligible to vote. So where is the democracy left if 93% people out of 1 lakh people are found eligible and were not allowed to vote at that particular time. Look at the audacity. If a Supreme Court judge says what happened if they are not able to vote this time, they will vote the next time. Is this fair? Is this fair? And when the accountability and responsibility is asked, this is how the government tries to suppress the protests as well as the demand. What was the reason of denotifying Jantar Mantar as a protest site the other sites which have been mentioned as you can do the protest over there, we all know that there is a huge fee attached to that do you really think a tribal coming from Chhattisgarh would be able to pay that fee to protest over there so basically is this defiance Avni ji because here we also saw that Rahul Gandhi has been spearheading though he has been dismissing that there are no parallel protests but he has also extended his support to what happened with the CJP leaders and their representatives. However, he has not directly named them, but has extended support. So what does it mean? The point is very simple. As per the Supreme Court, back in the year 2018, Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangatan versus Union of India, right to peacefully protest is a fundamental right. Now, the question is, is there a reasonable classification, Article 14 argument, as to why the Delhi Police denotified Jantar Mantar, I mean, I want to point out a very important thing. World over, in all the major national capitals of all the major democracies, the peaceful protest site is always close to the parliament. And it cannot come with conditions attached. Namely, you have to pay some money to protest there. Or we will give you a protest site which is 25 kilometers away from the main center of the national capital. or that we will give you a two-hour slot permission. You can only sit for two hours. You cannot sit otherwise. It's a fundamental right to peacefully protest. And therefore, all these conditions that the Delhi police is inserting by way of several standing orders are, first of all, unconstitutional. Second of all, against all democratic principles. And third of all, affirming to the common people of this country that Delhi police is being used as a shield because now, prime of SI, after the Indian Express report and videos out there, prime of SI, there is enough evidence to know that SIR was a faulty process, that a lot of illegality took place in the proceedings before the Election Commission of India. The only aim of Delhi police, as far as I can see, is they don't want people to aggregate and sit indefinitely at one place. And since Jantar Mantar is that central place, which has been used since independent India, they come up with an order and say denotify. Where are the people supposed to go? Where are the people supposed to go? It's not a question of CJP, Congress, Neha Bora. It's not a question of who's doing. Every common person, whoever they are, have a right to peacefully protest. Amita, there was a time in Jantar Mantar, whenever you go, there would be a group of people sitting and lodging their protest. Is this government taking away that right? And on what basis? What? The Delhi police comes up and says overnight that Jantar Mantar denotified. We should all clap and say, oh, now I can't go to Jantar Mantar. Who gives the Delhi police that right? And where are people supposed to go? Saying go to Ramlila Maidan, where either you need like a big crowd or you need to pay money. Say go to CBD Maidan, go to Burari Maidan. These spaces are far away what is the whole point of peaceful protest the whole point is every person has a right to register dissent it is part of your freedom of speech and expression so let me take my first so Amita, Amita my first point is this entire overnight we are denotifying Jantar Mantar is grave injustice is absolutely unconstitutional and we will not take it lying down as citizens let me take opening comments from all of our panelists because Ashutosh ji in a way, legally, if you can keep it forward. The main premise of the opposition and their protest has been that there has been, you know, modifications to form six, the entire case, which is already sub-judice. The Delhi SIR will also come up on the 28th of October. The Supreme Court is very well aware of what has been happening. But despite when it comes to Jantar Mantar being denotified, the Delhi police also did a briefing as to why they are not granting permission because they have been saying that what the promises were made they were violated so there has been a breach and in fact when it comes to this one year peace bond as well well it has been breached within one week so what are we now looking at legally only when it comes to those who are violating the law is it only applicable on them what about those who have to enforce the law yes uh see uh first of all let's talk about the three judgments which are very very important and crucial passed by the supreme court the first one was the Himmatlal Shah judgment that came in 1973 then as my friend also mentioned a judgment which was passed against i mean that was in 2018 and then again one judgment was passed in 2020 that was another judgment in which the Supreme Court in Shaheen Bagh also confirmed that, yes, there is no doubt that, you know, the peaceful protest without arms is absolutely, you know, is a fundamental right of a citizen. And it confirmed that. However, the Supreme Court also has given certain powers and authorities to the law enforcement agencies like police to conduct a proper, you know, protest and they can decide the time and place and manner of assembly that is there in the same judgments so from that judgment if you see certain powers and authorities have been given to the to the police or to the law enforcement agencies now if somebody says that they have exceeded into onto their powers or whatsoever that again has to be by the court because we know that one contempt petition was filed after the 9th October order of the Supreme Court that it was not complied. In the Supreme Court obviously it has already No, but when it comes to denotification of Jantar Mantar Mr. Ashutosh ji, I'm just coming to you Avni ji and Rajiv ji. I have two more panelists for their opening statements. When we speak of Jantar Mantar being denotified overnight now what were the compulsions that we are now looking at? The Delhi police saying that certain area was permitted, certain time was permitted the people who were protesting were in violation and also calling for a march what happened in july to parliament well parliament is a highly sensitive and very protective zone and it cannot be turned into a place of protest so are there any breaches you know as far as what the delhi police have been saying in their argument ashutosh ji what does the law say in this case now see the other one what you asked about uh form six so i would like to say that in electoral rules 1961 there are certain powers being given to the election commission and also if you see article uh 324 which gives certain powers to the election commissioner to to make uh you know the rules or regulations so far as you know conducting a fair and uh impartial election is concerned has been entrusted upon it but you know obviously i completely understand that it has to be obviously verified and examined by the Supreme Court in this regard whether the election commissioner really, you know, conducted a proper, you know, used its power properly or not, whether it has exceeded its powers, or whether it was, you know, having such powers to do so. So I think these issues are already sub judice before the Supreme Court to decide. Otherwise, the thing would have been already clarified. Because all of these things are under the purview of the Supreme Court, Anuja ji. What's the point of the protest because it is the very same Supreme Court when the Congress Party and its social media handle had also faced a lot of flak for raising a statement against the CJI. However, that has been taken back and to which Rahul Gandhi also gave a statement saying, but we are political persons, so politically they will continue to raise the protest. You're asking to a BJP spokesperson, right, these questions? Yes, but I'm just asking what's the point of the protest when it comes to the matter which is already under the consideration of the Supreme Court so i am when when when when bjp is protesting no i'm sorry i i are you sure what questions are you asking yes anuja ji i am asking you that when it comes to the bjp which has been holding multiple press briefings which has been denouncing the opposition protest questioning that why exactly or what exactly is the intention of the opposition protest when the matter is already in the Supreme Court so you have this bjp which has been leading its protest you have the congress party which has been leading its protest i hope i'm clear ma'am now now yeah now i'm clear i i got to know i don't know why you were asking this question so what we see forward is that if anyone who has been doing a protest after the site is denotification and with the denotified it becomes in the purview of the law that anybody jumping the barricade and these three people who are right now behind the barricade they jumped the barricade they're trying to again create a peace and a harmony which is going to be disrupted after they filled a bond after they build a bond of 50 000 and that is a court contempt october 9 supreme court we all know that has said that please give a suitable alternative sites. And it is being kept saying because the people of India or the people of Delhi are under the preview of the lot of pressure on them that they are not able to take train, they're not able to go anywhere. The situation is like a deadlock. And they also said that they need to be identified and designated. So what the police did, they have given the three sites to these protesters that you can go ahead and do it. Now, if you jump the barricade and trying to become Bajrang Bali Hanuman somewhere and you show that we can do this and we do not care and that is what they said. No, but is displaying a tiranga, does it amount to a crime, Anuja ji? This is not a place to display any kind of a tiranga or not. Jantar Mantar was being a designated site for the protest. Secondly, I would also like it to compare them with the times when my friend from Congress said, Oh my God, it is unconstitutional. It is a clap, clap, clap. Please give me this brief on Rajiv Gandhi's 1988 protest time When the Kisan Farmers, Bhartiya Kisan Union was there And 5 lakh people were protesting 9,507 farmers were put behind bars And now they talk about police who are being selfish They talk about police who are being unauthorized I am asking them during Rajiv Gandhi time You have used tear gas you have used lathi charge on those people on 1990 Jantar Mantar was been asked to be as a protest site but right now where the five people were there at the Boat Club it got denotified at the very minute without being given any further notification coming to you Rajiv ji so giving so giving us a gyan sitting out here please look into your own Rajiv Gandhi's time and a Congress and go clap clap clap in an unconstitutional let me take a quick counter from Abhi before I go across to Harish ji coming to you Harish ji thank you for your patience yes Abhi quick counter uh Amita ji the way BJP is using the law it reminds one of the times of the Britishers in India what we have as per the constitution is rule of law what that means is anything which a law says also has to be reasonable merely because the law says something arbitrary does not stand the constitutional scrutiny now Shyamji a specific question I want to answer that first of all let me just take you through a brief history 1972 Himmatlal Keshav versus Commissioner of police no prior permission required to peacefully protest from the commissioner Ramlila Maidan incident uh this was a case before that Anita Thakur versus State of Jammu and Kashmir 2016 holding peaceful demonstrations in order to air grievances is a peaceful right in Varun state versus police commissioner the National Green Tribunal said that Jantar Mantar cannot be a protest site this history is very important Amitaji this was overruled in the supreme by the supreme court in the case of MKSS in the year 2018 even after that in Amitani that is a Shaheen bar case versus state 2020 again it was held that the right to peaceful protest is a fundamental right so the point is just because you are using the delhi police to come up with any sort of an order that does not give you a blanket protection under the constitution the question that is being asked is the delhi police is making one argument right that the last time we gave the place to protest you sat for many days but the question is how is this reasonable that the delhi police will decide for how many days can i sit and peacefully protest it is a designated site right no but where would you go seek for permission no no no first of all amita ji yeah that's a very important question you're absolutely right please understand the constitutional scheme if it is a designated my right to protest peacefully is a fundamental right correct it extends everywhere now if it is a designated protest site it does not require permission if i am then your party or some groups are not the only ones in the entire country are holding protests no ma'am there would be other there would be other organizations as well who would want to hold protests so if you are occupying the entire Jantar Mantar then where will others go please understand the question is then the police should have made guidelines accordingly why has the police completely denotified Jantar Mantar. Because many people will protest. Because many people will protest. You will denotify Jantar Mantar itself. The question is, how can the Delhi police say... No, but was there any breach or was there any violation or not? Because you, at the end of the day, will blame the Delhi police. My argument is, that Delhi police is constantly coming up with these notifications, inserting absolutely arbitrary conditions, only for two hours. Why is the Delhi police saying only two hours? Where is this two-hour permission coming from? What the Supreme Court has said, madam, what the Supreme Court has said is balance the rights. But balancing does not mean exhaustion of my rights. It surprises me that everything that, you know, it's a matter of political parties and because the Supreme Court has now turned into a political battleground in the way and the manner in which that we are looking, even as the protest that has now reached the Supreme Court. in the matter, I'm told that Rahul Gandhi's plea that has also been taken up. But Harish, what is interesting here is the kind of support and very carefully planned support is now being lended. DMK, I believe, is also now thinking that there should be a third front Aam Aadmi Party plus the CJP minus the Congress. I mean, is this a possibility in the near future because MK Stalin has extended his support to the CJP? Of course. It is not on the aspiration with what is going to come with 2029 election is what Mr. MK Stalin is thinking about as far as now. But whenever there is a threat to democracy, there is always Mr. MK Stalin's voice which comes forefront. And number one, the beauty of our democracy is the dissent, and dissent is always the basic practice of any functioning democracy. But what has happened here is Mr. Amit Shah's Delhi Police have made sure the last protest which made sure Dharmendra Pradhan to go down and put them into the 100% jittery spot. So they don't want this kind of protest to happen anywhere across India rule and get simply till 2029. So until then they're asking the people shouldn't open their mouth what kind of mockery is this to our Indian constitution. Number two, if they want these peaceful protests to happen for their scrutiny, there are prima facie evidence for which the election commission have gone hand in glove with the BJP. If the BJP conscience is much more clear and if they are truthful to the constitutional vote they have taken, and the ECI is an autonomous body, what made them to go ahead and safeguard the ECI? And Mr. Gyanesh Kumar, if there is any impropriety Go ahead. So there is going to be an India block opposition in Chennai tomorrow, sir. So do you believe that the DMK should also extend support? Because then question will become very selective. Because if the TVK wins the two by-poll seats, then somehow there is no vote chori over here. You don't need an India block for the DMK to go ahead and lend their support for the CJP's protest or for any kind of protest which is attacking the Indian democracy. So you don't need an India block. When Mr. M.K. Stalin is very much clear that the India bloc, without Congress, they are well accepted. Because what they, the Congress, what they did in Tamil Nadu will never go well in the history of Tamil culture. It is a backstabbing to the left, right and center. So having said that, when, according to this CJP protest, which is functionally, which is the constitutional rights provided to all the citizens of this country. So if you want to strangle, if you want to go ahead and make sure the CJPs doesn't grow as a third party, then the vote in the level playing field, we have to keep both the Congress and the BJP. It was not a political party, sir. It's an organization which has been raising its voice. Of course there is an aspiration. Of course there will be a political party which might form during the 2024 elections. But having said that, leave aside everything. You have the fundamental rights given to each and every citizen, whether you like it or not. Why you have to strangle Mr. Amit Shah and Mr. Modi? Why they have to get the fear the youth of this country is watching? Why you have to strangle such a downtrodden kind of culture you bring among the youth of this country? You're beating the girls who are just 12 years, 13 years kids. Who gave you those kind of power, excessive power? So youth of this country should go ahead and make sure to protest wherever they want when they have the dissent for this. Anujaji, a quick counter. I'll just come to you, Rajivji, because this has been highlighted by Union Minister Piyush Goyalji yesterday and by the Home Minister himself, because they are of the opinion that the collective narrative of the opposition has no takers on ground. The reality is very different from the narrative what the opposition is trying to set, Anujaji. that is that that is what it is happening they they they do not walk the talk and what is happening is they just try to show everybody and fool around that they are together but during their own areas of expertise in their own states they are the ones who are killing each other believe me you these people are the biggest snakes sitting in the opposition who do not want the growth of India, who do not want the growth of the nation. They just want to keep stabbing the Indian people. And they talk about the voters. I am sorry, once again, the Gujarat Vipers, again, how come the BJP wins? It is the mindset. It is, yes, it is the mindset of the people which they cannot hijack. The hijack has happened because we have worked on the ground. we still work on the ground and I thank everybody in the opposition for making us again the prime minister of India we keep on working and I and they are they are the they are our spokespersons so let me take that counter to Rajiv ji Rajiv ji then vote chori sir kitne levels pe ho sakte hai sir the the municipal elections the university election results why is that not a reflection of the vote chori narrative that is now being built why is that and if the election results do not come in your favor then it you know automatically you will come to a conclusion that there has been vote chori rajiv before i answer that question i just pity at the bjp spokesperson whatever justification she gave whatever happened at jantar mantar she said that this is what happened in the congress regime they're just trying to justify this what happened earlier two wrongs will never make one correct okay the second thing She said that this was not a designated place to display the Tiranga. Now, this is where they have brought this country to. Is there any designated place required to display the Tiranga? Do we actually need it? This is the next step this government would try to control us with. Now, coming back to your question. So, if there are credible questions raised by the election commissioner itself, two of the election uh commissioner out of the three uh members of election commission if they have raised certain doubts someone needs to answer them this is not a party versus party fight this is the people of india asking these questions now it was said that there was no credibility to the agitation which was called there was no uh people support to this movement if there was no people support to this movement why was 257 trains cancelled why 55 of the metro stations were not operational on that particular day what this was the biggest fear of this government if they would have allowed this protest peaceful protest to happen the they would have been exposed people in lakhs of numbers were supposed to come on that particular day and despite all the bans and all the suppression, they could not stop the people from coming there. We have seen thousands and thousands of people... And sir, what if any untoward activity would have happened? Who would have taken responsibility? So, just... This is the responsibility of the Home Minister to ensure that whenever someone calls for a peaceful protest, he needs to ensure that police measures up the things so that no peaceful unlawful activity happens over there. Just by saying that some unlawful activity would happen, you cannot deny me my right of a peaceful protest, you have to go to Avni as well yes, have you seen the hypocrisy? So Amit Shah ji will take care of the violence which is going to happen which will be done by the protesters why will Amit Shah ji will take care at that time, why will we not protest when we will feel that it has not been taken under the proper guideline when it has not been taken under the rules and regulation, why MHA will do it later? It will do at the very minute and that is what we have done and that is what we have keep doing it, look at 26 July, Amita, do you see what has happened? Do they call, do you call as an anchor that it was a peaceful protest? Do you tell me in 2021 was a farmer protest was a peaceful protest, please tell me the borders and obviously do you think what is the definition of a peaceful protest. In 2020, anti-CAA unrest, Delhi riots. Tell me, was it a peaceful protest? 2018, SCSC. I think we can go back because when it comes to the protests and the number of them that you've been highlighting, but Avni ji, where is the proof? Where is the evidence? This is something which Rahul Gandhi has been talking about saying, and there is a lot of saboot to it But where is the evidence of vote chori or the narrative that is being said? Because similar thing that he said also while submitting his memorandum to the president the president asked him in return do you have the required evidence to prove that there has been vote chori, yeah Amita ji, for anybody looking for proof I highly recommend that they go to Indian Express, read the entire report also look at the video there are several reports that have been put out there as to how only a small select team sitting in the sitting in Delhi in the IT cell of the ECI has blocked the access of the EROs who are the election officers on ground. Now, one second, Amitaji. The basic premise of your argument again, why I'm saying that because this is already under the purview of the Supreme Court, what did the Supreme Court say, ma'am? The matter when it was being heard, when it comes to the newspaper report, 100% it may be right or may not be wrong. So the Supreme Court is not coming under the influence of the newspaper report. One second. The Supreme Court process is a long process and what the Supreme Court eventually decides on this matter is eventually something we will all have to wait for. In the meantime, because there is prima facie proof already, people have a right to peacefully protest, to question, to express dissent and to express opinions. BJP spokesperson saying on your TV that Home Minister Ji, why should he take the responsibility, in my mind is lack of basic understanding of the Home Minister's profile, what he does in the country. The Home Minister will, of course, always have to ensure security for everybody whatsoever. Now, the question is, Amita, when the Jantar Mantar site has been denotified, what will happen? People who want to peacefully protest will come on the streets. If any untoward incident were to happen on the street, what happens then? So is taking away the designated protest site ever a good idea by any government? And to your point and to our spokespersons, I agree with him there, that if people were not resonating on the ground, then this government wouldn't fear so much. So many trains, metros, in spite of the Supreme Court direction, wouldn't have been closed. And also the bigger question is that while we are seeing these peaceful protests, a very important question, one second, a very important question is the illegal torture and the illegal detentions that are being made. Some of the videos, Amita, which are coming out are horrific. The way in which the Delhi police is beating some of the peaceful protesters, some of whom were not even protesting. I saw on the NSUI as well, Rahul Gandhi stood with them, calling them a shaheed and shaheedni. But again, that is one version. Ashutosh ji, somebody needs to speak up on the Delhi police's side as well. Who is going to talk about their story and their version and the kind of action that they had to initiate and follow up? because that is when their role becomes important, safeguarding the citizens. No, no, definitely when, as I said earlier also, when these contempt proceedings have been initiated in the Supreme Court, that was on Sunday, so a special hearing took place and the bench has already, Supreme Court bench has already sent notices to the police also, to the government also, and asking if their, you know, role in the entire issue was justified or not. So, they are supposed to file their affidavit. So, obviously, there are courts which are also looking at these issues. It is not that the police has been given absolute powers at the same time. But yes, as I said that, you know, somebody said, you know, I mean, going to a particular place is not a crime or an offense. See, that is something for what purpose somebody is going when a site is denotified. So, that also has to be considered by the concerned court. And accordingly, I think the court will decide whether bail should be granted or not. So, Rajivji, for concluding statement, sir, the intention is something which is a violation. Displaying of a Tiranga is not. Yes, absolutely. This is what I said. Yes. Rajdeep ji, final comments. I just, going back to what BJP spokesperson was saying, I'm just saying, let the truth come out. Let the Election Commission hold a press conference and say that whatever the Indian Express report is stating, it is absolutely incorrect. Till that time, it doesn't happen. People will have their own questions. And if you will try to suppress those questions, people will come out in large numbers and protest. You cannot stop people from protesting in a peaceful way. That's a democratic right. Okay. Anuja ji, final comment ma'am. They are now coming out to say that the BJP has become the spokesperson of the ECI. why is the ECI and the commissioners themselves not coming out and clarifying and putting an end to the controversy? Why didn't they go to the ECI? They went to Draupadi Murmu. Was she an ECI? Why didn't they go with the clarification? If they had a clarification, they could have taken it to the Draupadi Murmu. They could have taken to anywhere, but they are not showing it. They show it on TV primetime, give it, show it to us like, you know, Ahmadiyya Party used to give a white paper. So we are just asking if you have something, then delete. Then please ask Congress and the other people who have become an MP and sitting here in the parliament should give away their seats because an SIR gave them the seats then. So they should take away their seats. The Congress should step down. And Rahul Gandhi should step down from the YNAB. Because in 2026, the SIR was there. He should step down. And I would only like to ask that there is a problem with these people. They just need to start up a situation. So, Abni, for the last five seconds, vote-chori cannot be selective coming in from the BJP. ma'am first of all rahul gandhi tried to go to the election commission and was stopped I don't think if the BJP spokesperson knows about this or not. The second point is and this is my final comment, Amita, on your show. Right to peaceful protest is a fundamental right. All these standing orders that the Delhi Police is coming up with we are against it. We will uphold the constitutional fundamental right to protest come what may and I am against Jantar Mantar being denotified as a protest site. That will have to go and Gyanesh Kumar along with it will also have to go. Well that remains at the end of the day. Really what happens because this is all developing politically as well legally as well. What will be the conclusions? What will be the consequences well for now we're looking at as far as two of the CPJ leaders are concerned they have now been sent to five-day judicial custody. Thank you very much all of you for joining us here on the Urban Debate. Thank you very much